Heavy-handed attitude of Golden Square staff

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I HAVE a son who suffers from Asperger’s Syndrome. This causes many difficulties, including problems with confidence and social settings. His love of photography has helped him rise above this to some extent and he’s becoming quite skilled at his craft.

Last week at Golden Square Shopping Centre, a security jobsworth aggressively confronted him for taking a photograph in the Square and followed him to the Alice in Wonderland statue. He asked my son to move on, but as he explained he was meeting someone there the ‘heavy’ said ‘We’ve got you on CCTV and the police are on the way because you do not have permission to take pictures here – this is private property’.

He also threatened to escort him off the premises and displayed body language that suggested he was very prepared to get violent. Fortunately as always, my wife (his mother) was not too far away as she planned to meet him as usual at Alice, and managed to intervene although the security guy did follow them out as far as the passageway alongside the Blue Bell Pub as they walked away.

She later managed to get back into Golden Square to obtain a complaint form from the information desk near M&S, but judging by the response she got, I won’t hold my breath.

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For many people like my son the world is very often black and white and rules, regulations and a sense of order are very important, so any signs advising ‘no photography’ would have been strictly adhered to. Furthermore, any threats of the police and ‘being watched’ can have an adverse effect (and it has) and be extremely detrimental and very frightening.

Putting ‘no photography’ signs up will show Golden Square for what it is, and then this ‘tough guy’ security man can spend more of his time looking out for criminal activity instead of harassing the public. I don’t even know if this is the law not to take pictures in Golden Square and to be honest I don’t think most people are aware of it.

If you’re going to have, and indeed actively enforce silly laws like this, at least get some signs up. I will have to look at the legalities to see if this behaviour is acceptable without displaying relative signs.

So remember, the law-abiding people of Warrington: If you’re out at Christmas and you want a nice photo of your kids at the grotto with Santa – watch out – the police may be called and you could be escorted from the premises.

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7:10pm Wed 13 Feb 13

The Maestro says...

its private property, therefore the owner can ask you not to film or take photo's although if how you right it is correct the security guard was being out of hand
its private property, therefore the owner can ask you not to film or take photo's although if how you right it is correct the security guard was being out of hand The Maestro
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10:16pm Wed 13 Feb 13

mr_BLUNT says...

i have seen hundreds of tourists over the years sat on that Alice in Wonderland statue taking photos and video while being all draped all over it. if the owners do not want and video or photos taken there should be signs its a little tourist attraction. this is just a jobsworth on a bored. and the police are on there way that was just a lie. the police would not respond to such a trivial thing
i have seen hundreds of tourists over the years sat on that Alice in Wonderland statue taking photos and video while being all draped all over it. if the owners do not want and video or photos taken there should be signs its a little tourist attraction. this is just a jobsworth on a bored. and the police are on there way that was just a lie. the police would not respond to such a trivial thing mr_BLUNT
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10:13am Thu 14 Feb 13

Cleopatra says...

Just wondering how it can be classed as private property when situated in a very public postion.
Just wondering how it can be classed as private property when situated in a very public postion. Cleopatra
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10:36am Thu 14 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

Cleopatra wrote:
Just wondering how it can be classed as private property when situated in a very public postion.
All part of the creeping privatisation of public space that has been going on fro decades.


Shopping street that were public spaces disappearing under privately owned shopping centres.


I have seen the police moving people on in golden square - presumably if it is private property they do not have the right , or the duty, to do so.
[quote][p][bold]Cleopatra[/bold] wrote: Just wondering how it can be classed as private property when situated in a very public postion.[/p][/quote]All part of the creeping privatisation of public space that has been going on fro decades. Shopping street that were public spaces disappearing under privately owned shopping centres. I have seen the police moving people on in golden square - presumably if it is private property they do not have the right , or the duty, to do so. Nick Tessla
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12:45pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

You simply cannot have privacy laws in a public place because of the scumbag press, cctv, security guards and the internet. It is like the pot calling the kettle black. The law is an **** and it stinks. You can go to the cctv centre and ask them for the pictures they've took of you and ask for an apology. Cctv dosen't solve crime, that's just a myth, all it does is move crime to areas where they isnt any. Anti big brother watch.
You simply cannot have privacy laws in a public place because of the scumbag press, cctv, security guards and the internet. It is like the pot calling the kettle black. The law is an **** and it stinks. You can go to the cctv centre and ask them for the pictures they've took of you and ask for an apology. Cctv dosen't solve crime, that's just a myth, all it does is move crime to areas where they isnt any. Anti big brother watch. Mr Andrew Mackie
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12:49pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

The security guards are just Scouse Plastic gangster wannabee meglomaniacs. I had problems with them last year after i visited the poundland store opposite Marks and Spencers on Sankey Street. They just like harrassing innocent victims.
The security guards are just Scouse Plastic gangster wannabee meglomaniacs. I had problems with them last year after i visited the poundland store opposite Marks and Spencers on Sankey Street. They just like harrassing innocent victims. Mr Andrew Mackie
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12:54pm Thu 14 Feb 13

philipkroberts says...

The security staff are awful. They walk around like they own the place. Last week there was a drunk man in the bus station. They just threw him on the floor and he smashed his head.

I understand he shouldn't have been drunk in a public place but that's for the police to deal with. Not those horrible spouse idiots who some crazy fool gave an SIA badge.

Note I'm also scouse and its idiots like them that give this town such a bad name.
The security staff are awful. They walk around like they own the place. Last week there was a drunk man in the bus station. They just threw him on the floor and he smashed his head. I understand he shouldn't have been drunk in a public place but that's for the police to deal with. Not those horrible spouse idiots who some crazy fool gave an SIA badge. Note I'm also scouse and its idiots like them that give this town such a bad name. philipkroberts
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1:42pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Gripper_S says...

Mr Andrew Mackie wrote:
What i don't agree with, is this this excuse of Aspergers Syndrome. This is often used as an excuse for bad behaviour and to get off from things.
What a completely idiotic thing to say, Mr. Mackie!

A person requires a professional diagnosis in order to be assessed as having Asperger's Syndrome. It is not a lifestyle choice. Those with the condition generally cope very well with the difficulties they face on a daily basis.

Why not enlighten yourself by spending a couple of minutes finding out about just three aspects, at:
http://www.autism.or
g.uk/About-autism/Au
tism-and-Asperger-sy
ndrome-an-introducti
on/What-is-Asperger-
syndrome.aspx
I hope that it will help you to become a more aware member of society.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Andrew Mackie[/bold] wrote: What i don't agree with, is this this excuse of Aspergers Syndrome. This is often used as an excuse for bad behaviour and to get off from things.[/p][/quote]What a completely idiotic thing to say, Mr. Mackie! A person requires a professional diagnosis in order to be assessed as having Asperger's Syndrome. It is not a lifestyle choice. Those with the condition generally cope very well with the difficulties they face on a daily basis. Why not enlighten yourself by spending a couple of minutes finding out about just three aspects, at: http://www.autism.or g.uk/About-autism/Au tism-and-Asperger-sy ndrome-an-introducti on/What-is-Asperger- syndrome.aspx I hope that it will help you to become a more aware member of society. Gripper_S
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1:46pm Thu 14 Feb 13

tarasmum says...

This is disgusting, all he was doing was taking a photo, heaven help him if he'd been REALLY naughty!!!! Stupid jobsworth, and if it was my son, I wouldn't let it end there, I'd keep on at them until I at least had an apology.
This is disgusting, all he was doing was taking a photo, heaven help him if he'd been REALLY naughty!!!! Stupid jobsworth, and if it was my son, I wouldn't let it end there, I'd keep on at them until I at least had an apology. tarasmum
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2:49pm Thu 14 Feb 13

jdow says...

Maybe he was only taking pics but in this day and age it could of been of children and got into the wrong hands . You cant even take pics of your children in a school play anymore silly i know and really there is now need to take pics if you need pictures of golden square you can download them from the paper. before you all jump on the bandwagon i know he wasent taking pictures of children but security dont know that.
Maybe he was only taking pics but in this day and age it could of been of children and got into the wrong hands . You cant even take pics of your children in a school play anymore silly i know and really there is now need to take pics if you need pictures of golden square you can download them from the paper. before you all jump on the bandwagon i know he wasent taking pictures of children but security dont know that. jdow
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3:06pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

jdow wrote:
Maybe he was only taking pics but in this day and age it could of been of children and got into the wrong hands . You cant even take pics of your children in a school play anymore silly i know and really there is now need to take pics if you need pictures of golden square you can download them from the paper. before you all jump on the bandwagon i know he wasent taking pictures of children but security dont know that.
In my experience schools are quite happy for parents to take pictures of school plays - unless other parents object.


There is nothing to suggest that the security guard had any genuine reason to suspect the lad was taking pictures of kids or that he acted because of that


jdow - would you feel it justified for the police to stop anyone carrying an un-holstered camera in public - just in case?


Andrew Mackie - the condition that the lad has is relevant - one reason is that the guard may have detected a vulnerability and, like a school ground bully, that encouraged him.
[quote][p][bold]jdow[/bold] wrote: Maybe he was only taking pics but in this day and age it could of been of children and got into the wrong hands . You cant even take pics of your children in a school play anymore silly i know and really there is now need to take pics if you need pictures of golden square you can download them from the paper. before you all jump on the bandwagon i know he wasent taking pictures of children but security dont know that.[/p][/quote]In my experience schools are quite happy for parents to take pictures of school plays - unless other parents object. There is nothing to suggest that the security guard had any genuine reason to suspect the lad was taking pictures of kids or that he acted because of that jdow - would you feel it justified for the police to stop anyone carrying an un-holstered camera in public - just in case? Andrew Mackie - the condition that the lad has is relevant - one reason is that the guard may have detected a vulnerability and, like a school ground bully, that encouraged him. Nick Tessla
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3:13pm Thu 14 Feb 13

jdow says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
jdow wrote:
Maybe he was only taking pics but in this day and age it could of been of children and got into the wrong hands . You cant even take pics of your children in a school play anymore silly i know and really there is now need to take pics if you need pictures of golden square you can download them from the paper. before you all jump on the bandwagon i know he wasent taking pictures of children but security dont know that.
In my experience schools are quite happy for parents to take pictures of school plays - unless other parents object.


There is nothing to suggest that the security guard had any genuine reason to suspect the lad was taking pictures of kids or that he acted because of that


jdow - would you feel it justified for the police to stop anyone carrying an un-holstered camera in public - just in case?


Andrew Mackie - the condition that the lad has is relevant - one reason is that the guard may have detected a vulnerability and, like a school ground bully, that encouraged him.
Well the school i know you CAN'T take pictures anymore of children in a play. And i think i would be a bit wary if i saw a young lad taking pictures in a public place where their are children just saying in this day and age you can't do anything Nothing to do with it to may perv around these days
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]jdow[/bold] wrote: Maybe he was only taking pics but in this day and age it could of been of children and got into the wrong hands . You cant even take pics of your children in a school play anymore silly i know and really there is now need to take pics if you need pictures of golden square you can download them from the paper. before you all jump on the bandwagon i know he wasent taking pictures of children but security dont know that.[/p][/quote]In my experience schools are quite happy for parents to take pictures of school plays - unless other parents object. There is nothing to suggest that the security guard had any genuine reason to suspect the lad was taking pictures of kids or that he acted because of that jdow - would you feel it justified for the police to stop anyone carrying an un-holstered camera in public - just in case? Andrew Mackie - the condition that the lad has is relevant - one reason is that the guard may have detected a vulnerability and, like a school ground bully, that encouraged him.[/p][/quote]Well the school i know you CAN'T take pictures anymore of children in a play. And i think i would be a bit wary if i saw a young lad taking pictures in a public place where their are children just saying in this day and age you can't do anything Nothing to do with it to may perv around these days jdow
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4:52pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

They is some beautiful pictures to be had at Liverpool One, The Arndale Centre and Trafford Centre. Or then again they have plastic gangster wannabee security guards too, you had better not.
They is some beautiful pictures to be had at Liverpool One, The Arndale Centre and Trafford Centre. Or then again they have plastic gangster wannabee security guards too, you had better not. Mr Andrew Mackie
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4:54pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

They can't send you to the warehouse (prison) because they are all full and they are closing 7 down. They'll just give you probation.
They can't send you to the warehouse (prison) because they are all full and they are closing 7 down. They'll just give you probation. Mr Andrew Mackie
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4:58pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

Gripper s i have done my research on Aspergers Syndrome and i admit i don't know a lot about it, but it gets a lot of negative and unwanted press about it because of the attention they need and crave.
Gripper s i have done my research on Aspergers Syndrome and i admit i don't know a lot about it, but it gets a lot of negative and unwanted press about it because of the attention they need and crave. Mr Andrew Mackie
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4:59pm Thu 14 Feb 13

HappyMisery says...

Mr Andrew Mackie wrote:
What i don't agree with, is this this excuse of Aspergers Syndrome. This is often used as an excuse for bad behaviour and to get off from things.
Aspergers is not an excuse, its a disabilitating syndrome. Ignorant fools claim to "know" that its an excuse, when in fact they should educate themselves before they have an opinion.

In the context of the article, the lady correctly asserts that an Aspergers sufferer will require routine, rules and guidelines. To tell an Aspergers sufferer that they have broken the rules (whether they know it or not) can be extremely damaging. This heavy handed chimp didnt have to follow this child as he'd finished taking pictures, but no, this overzealous fool followed him to issue threats. He should be ashamed.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Andrew Mackie[/bold] wrote: What i don't agree with, is this this excuse of Aspergers Syndrome. This is often used as an excuse for bad behaviour and to get off from things.[/p][/quote]Aspergers is not an excuse, its a disabilitating syndrome. Ignorant fools claim to "know" that its an excuse, when in fact they should educate themselves before they have an opinion. In the context of the article, the lady correctly asserts that an Aspergers sufferer will require routine, rules and guidelines. To tell an Aspergers sufferer that they have broken the rules (whether they know it or not) can be extremely damaging. This heavy handed chimp didnt have to follow this child as he'd finished taking pictures, but no, this overzealous fool followed him to issue threats. He should be ashamed. HappyMisery
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4:59pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

Are the Security Guards popeye in disguise and have they been taking steroids ?
Are the Security Guards popeye in disguise and have they been taking steroids ? Mr Andrew Mackie
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6:30pm Thu 14 Feb 13

Geoff Siddall says...

Maybe they might start banning the use of mobile phones in shopping centres next, afterall, most mobile phones have a camera facility and people could be taking pictures pretending to be talking on the phone.

What next?
Maybe they might start banning the use of mobile phones in shopping centres next, afterall, most mobile phones have a camera facility and people could be taking pictures pretending to be talking on the phone. What next? Geoff Siddall
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9:13pm Thu 14 Feb 13

old-codger says...

Mr Andrew Mackie is just a troll seeking a reaction,
If you react then you encourage him to dish out more of his vile comments,
Mr Andrew Mackie is just a troll seeking a reaction, If you react then you encourage him to dish out more of his vile comments, old-codger
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9:27pm Thu 14 Feb 13

pognoogle says...

The security guards are always provoking trouble.They're so rude and arrogant, walking around like they own the joint (obviously there are a few alright guards but their sted head colleagues let them down). I've complained a few times about how they act/treat people and have never had a response. The guard in question was clearly looking for trouble and picked on a vulnerable adult who seemed easy prey. I hope you take this further and are successful in your arguement.
The security guards are always provoking trouble.They're so rude and arrogant, walking around like they own the joint (obviously there are a few alright guards but their sted head colleagues let them down). I've complained a few times about how they act/treat people and have never had a response. The guard in question was clearly looking for trouble and picked on a vulnerable adult who seemed easy prey. I hope you take this further and are successful in your arguement. pognoogle
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7:25am Fri 15 Feb 13

SickAndTired2 says...

The Maestro wrote:
its private property, therefore the owner can ask you not to film or take photo's although if how you right it is correct the security guard was being out of hand
What rubbish. It's in the public domain. Golden Square is a public shopping centre, for the public to go and spend leisurely time there. There are no laws regarding taking photographs in a public place.
[quote][p][bold]The Maestro[/bold] wrote: its private property, therefore the owner can ask you not to film or take photo's although if how you right it is correct the security guard was being out of hand[/p][/quote]What rubbish. It's in the public domain. Golden Square is a public shopping centre, for the public to go and spend leisurely time there. There are no laws regarding taking photographs in a public place. SickAndTired2
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9:08am Fri 15 Feb 13

Billy Porter says...

Indeed, S&T:

http://photographern
otaterrorist.org/

For those who think Asperger's syndrome is made up, what's your excuse for being a pillock?
Indeed, S&T: http://photographern otaterrorist.org/ For those who think Asperger's syndrome is made up, what's your excuse for being a pillock? Billy Porter
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10:45am Fri 15 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

SickAndTired2 wrote:
The Maestro wrote:
its private property, therefore the owner can ask you not to film or take photo's although if how you right it is correct the security guard was being out of hand
What rubbish. It's in the public domain. Golden Square is a public shopping centre, for the public to go and spend leisurely time there. There are no laws regarding taking photographs in a public place.
No - it is private


from the Golden Square website


"Ownership


Owners of Golden Square


"The Warrington Retail Limited Partnership, the owners of Golden Square, is a partnership between Lend Lease and Legal & General "


The fact that they allow in, at their discretion, members of the public does not make it a "public domain" anymore than a shop itself would be.


As I said in my first posting - all part of the creeping privatisation of public space that has been going on for decades.
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Maestro[/bold] wrote: its private property, therefore the owner can ask you not to film or take photo's although if how you right it is correct the security guard was being out of hand[/p][/quote]What rubbish. It's in the public domain. Golden Square is a public shopping centre, for the public to go and spend leisurely time there. There are no laws regarding taking photographs in a public place.[/p][/quote]No - it is private from the Golden Square website "Ownership Owners of Golden Square "The Warrington Retail Limited Partnership, the owners of Golden Square, is a partnership between Lend Lease and Legal & General " The fact that they allow in, at their discretion, members of the public does not make it a "public domain" anymore than a shop itself would be. As I said in my first posting - all part of the creeping privatisation of public space that has been going on for decades. Nick Tessla
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11:44am Fri 15 Feb 13

gerrumonside says...

Are these guys dressed up like wannabe SAS troopers...like I see in other shopping centres up and down the country...

they do make me laugh dressed up in black combat pants, jack boots, big belts with all sorts of gadgets and keys hanging off them.

I'd make the uniform a top hat and tails complete with white velvet gloves then maybe a better class of person would fill the role than these wannabe toy soldiers.....
Are these guys dressed up like wannabe SAS troopers...like I see in other shopping centres up and down the country... they do make me laugh dressed up in black combat pants, jack boots, big belts with all sorts of gadgets and keys hanging off them. I'd make the uniform a top hat and tails complete with white velvet gloves then maybe a better class of person would fill the role than these wannabe toy soldiers..... gerrumonside
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12:52pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Cheap Mower says...

Maybe theres more to this story, we're only hearing one side to it. Maybe he was thrown out for another reason
Maybe theres more to this story, we're only hearing one side to it. Maybe he was thrown out for another reason Cheap Mower
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2:08pm Fri 15 Feb 13

muckerman says...

Mr Andrew Mackie wrote:
What i don't agree with, is this this excuse of Aspergers Syndrome. This is often used as an excuse for bad behaviour and to get off from things.
Aspergers is not used as "excuse" here as you say Mr Mackie because no "bad behavior" was committed to be excused.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Andrew Mackie[/bold] wrote: What i don't agree with, is this this excuse of Aspergers Syndrome. This is often used as an excuse for bad behaviour and to get off from things.[/p][/quote]Aspergers is not used as "excuse" here as you say Mr Mackie because no "bad behavior" was committed to be excused. muckerman
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2:12pm Fri 15 Feb 13

muckerman says...

Cheap Mower wrote:
Maybe theres more to this story, we're only hearing one side to it. Maybe he was thrown out for another reason
Yes you may be right, the lad might be a member of the KGB. However, I’ve heard many negative comments about security staff at Golden Square. They are just jumped up plastic policemen. They only get paid buttons – and they take it out of the public. I don’t think the steroids help either.

With the closure of Jessops and HMV soon, my only other interests there is Waterstones, and there’s rumours about that closing too....They can close the lot for me! I can manage with Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury’s, M&S Gemini, and good old Amazon UK.
[quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Maybe theres more to this story, we're only hearing one side to it. Maybe he was thrown out for another reason[/p][/quote]Yes you may be right, the lad might be a member of the KGB. However, I’ve heard many negative comments about security staff at Golden Square. They are just jumped up plastic policemen. They only get paid buttons – and they take it out of the public. I don’t think the steroids help either. With the closure of Jessops and HMV soon, my only other interests there is Waterstones, and there’s rumours about that closing too....They can close the lot for me! I can manage with Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury’s, M&S Gemini, and good old Amazon UK. muckerman
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4:00pm Fri 15 Feb 13

HappyMisery says...

I forwarded this story to a friend for legal advice. You can take pictures on private property if they do not have any communications to state that it is prohibited. If a representative of the property asks you to stop, then you must stop ONCE YOU HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE.

Re- the police. Had the police arrived, they would have had no power at all as the guard had already advised that it was prohibited, and under section 44 of the anti terrorism act, unless the police can establish that you are a genuine terror threat, then they cannot intervene if the picture taking has stopped.
I forwarded this story to a friend for legal advice. You can take pictures on private property if they do not have any communications to state that it is prohibited. If a representative of the property asks you to stop, then you must stop ONCE YOU HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE. Re- the police. Had the police arrived, they would have had no power at all as the guard had already advised that it was prohibited, and under section 44 of the anti terrorism act, unless the police can establish that you are a genuine terror threat, then they cannot intervene if the picture taking has stopped. HappyMisery
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4:28pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

gerrumonside wrote:
Are these guys dressed up like wannabe SAS troopers...like I see in other shopping centres up and down the country...

they do make me laugh dressed up in black combat pants, jack boots, big belts with all sorts of gadgets and keys hanging off them.

I'd make the uniform a top hat and tails complete with white velvet gloves then maybe a better class of person would fill the role than these wannabe toy soldiers.....
I seem to recall (from history programmes and books - I'm not that old !) that the original uniform for the Metropolitan Police included a tailcoat to emphasise that the Police were there as servants of the people. Much better than the way the Police now dress - like road sweepers .
[quote][p][bold]gerrumonside[/bold] wrote: Are these guys dressed up like wannabe SAS troopers...like I see in other shopping centres up and down the country... they do make me laugh dressed up in black combat pants, jack boots, big belts with all sorts of gadgets and keys hanging off them. I'd make the uniform a top hat and tails complete with white velvet gloves then maybe a better class of person would fill the role than these wannabe toy soldiers.....[/p][/quote]I seem to recall (from history programmes and books - I'm not that old !) that the original uniform for the Metropolitan Police included a tailcoat to emphasise that the Police were there as servants of the people. Much better than the way the Police now dress - like road sweepers . Nick Tessla
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4:35pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Seanbond10 says...

Love the fact everyone presumes all security guards are Scouse gangsters and on steroids talk about tarring everyone with the same brush.
Did you not request his sia number and before anyone says they don't wear there badges that's an offence within in its self and anyone can request there number and refusal to do so is also an offence resulting in a fine and suspension of badge
Love the fact everyone presumes all security guards are Scouse gangsters and on steroids talk about tarring everyone with the same brush. Did you not request his sia number and before anyone says they don't wear there badges that's an offence within in its self and anyone can request there number and refusal to do so is also an offence resulting in a fine and suspension of badge Seanbond10
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4:52pm Fri 15 Feb 13

muckerman says...

Seanbond10 wrote:
Love the fact everyone presumes all security guards are Scouse gangsters and on steroids talk about tarring everyone with the same brush.
Did you not request his sia number and before anyone says they don't wear there badges that's an offence within in its self and anyone can request there number and refusal to do so is also an offence resulting in a fine and suspension of badge
I don't really think "everyone presumes security guards are scouse gangsters" - it's just they are just trying to add a bit of humour (remember that?) to their everyday observations of these dim-wits.

I understand people with Aspergers have BIG trouble communicating with other people, so asking for badges etc may not have been an option. A little online research on the subject may of help.
[quote][p][bold]Seanbond10[/bold] wrote: Love the fact everyone presumes all security guards are Scouse gangsters and on steroids talk about tarring everyone with the same brush. Did you not request his sia number and before anyone says they don't wear there badges that's an offence within in its self and anyone can request there number and refusal to do so is also an offence resulting in a fine and suspension of badge[/p][/quote]I don't really think "everyone presumes security guards are scouse gangsters" - it's just they are just trying to add a bit of humour (remember that?) to their everyday observations of these dim-wits. I understand people with Aspergers have BIG trouble communicating with other people, so asking for badges etc may not have been an option. A little online research on the subject may of help. muckerman
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4:53pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Golden Square Shopping Centre says...

A Golden Square Shopping Centre spokesman said: "The safety and well-being of our visitors remains our overriding priority and we have welcomed the opportunity to meet with the family concerned to discuss their concerns.

“We immediately undertook a detailed review of both the CCTV footage and the incident report following the complaint and we are satisfied that the member of staff acted in an appropriate and non-aggressive manner.”
A Golden Square Shopping Centre spokesman said: "The safety and well-being of our visitors remains our overriding priority and we have welcomed the opportunity to meet with the family concerned to discuss their concerns. “We immediately undertook a detailed review of both the CCTV footage and the incident report following the complaint and we are satisfied that the member of staff acted in an appropriate and non-aggressive manner.” Golden Square Shopping Centre
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4:59pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

Golden Square Shopping Centre wrote:
A Golden Square Shopping Centre spokesman said: "The safety and well-being of our visitors remains our overriding priority and we have welcomed the opportunity to meet with the family concerned to discuss their concerns.

“We immediately undertook a detailed review of both the CCTV footage and the incident report following the complaint and we are satisfied that the member of staff acted in an appropriate and non-aggressive manner.”
Hello Mr Golden Square Shopping Centre, or can I call you Goldie?

Can you confirm that Golden Square is private and therefore the Police do not have the powers, or indeed the duty, to deal with anyone taking photos without the permission of you or Mrs Golden Square Shopping Centre?
[quote][p][bold]Golden Square Shopping Centre[/bold] wrote: A Golden Square Shopping Centre spokesman said: "The safety and well-being of our visitors remains our overriding priority and we have welcomed the opportunity to meet with the family concerned to discuss their concerns. “We immediately undertook a detailed review of both the CCTV footage and the incident report following the complaint and we are satisfied that the member of staff acted in an appropriate and non-aggressive manner.”[/p][/quote]Hello Mr Golden Square Shopping Centre, or can I call you Goldie? Can you confirm that Golden Square is private and therefore the Police do not have the powers, or indeed the duty, to deal with anyone taking photos without the permission of you or Mrs Golden Square Shopping Centre? Nick Tessla
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5:01pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Billy Porter says...

So, how is the safety and well-bieng of shoppers threatened by a young lad with a camera?

Dunno about anyone else, but I'd feel more threatened by over-zealous security guards.
So, how is the safety and well-bieng of shoppers threatened by a young lad with a camera? Dunno about anyone else, but I'd feel more threatened by over-zealous security guards. Billy Porter
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5:07pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

Golden Square Shopping Centre wrote:
A Golden Square Shopping Centre spokesman said: "The safety and well-being of our visitors remains our overriding priority and we have welcomed the opportunity to meet with the family concerned to discuss their concerns.

“We immediately undertook a detailed review of both the CCTV footage and the incident report following the complaint and we are satisfied that the member of staff acted in an appropriate and non-aggressive manner.”
Does your CCTV have audio - in my experience most systems only have video. If yours don't have audio then how can you know what was said?
[quote][p][bold]Golden Square Shopping Centre[/bold] wrote: A Golden Square Shopping Centre spokesman said: "The safety and well-being of our visitors remains our overriding priority and we have welcomed the opportunity to meet with the family concerned to discuss their concerns. “We immediately undertook a detailed review of both the CCTV footage and the incident report following the complaint and we are satisfied that the member of staff acted in an appropriate and non-aggressive manner.”[/p][/quote]Does your CCTV have audio - in my experience most systems only have video. If yours don't have audio then how can you know what was said? Nick Tessla
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6:16pm Fri 15 Feb 13

muckerman says...

I feel so threatened that you can see Golden Square on Google Earth,

Can you send the heavy mob round to protect me please?
I feel so threatened that you can see Golden Square on Google Earth, Can you send the heavy mob round to protect me please? muckerman
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6:30pm Fri 15 Feb 13

kazz32 says...

i love how some of you complain about heavy handed security guards... you don't know half of the story! For all what you know that security guard that taken the drunk person to the floor was getting threatened? Just wait until your the one getting threatened! The tone of your comment would change in an instant. You're just one of them nosey people that like to get their nose stuck in because you've seen 5 minutes of a 2 hour threatening occurrence. Absolutely pathetic. And calling them scousers?! i have actually spoke to golden square staff and none of them were scousers, so get your facts right! They are polite and helpful. Just remember who you will look at as soon as your life is threatening!
i love how some of you complain about heavy handed security guards... you don't know half of the story! For all what you know that security guard that taken the drunk person to the floor was getting threatened? Just wait until your the one getting threatened! The tone of your comment would change in an instant. You're just one of them nosey people that like to get their nose stuck in because you've seen 5 minutes of a 2 hour threatening occurrence. Absolutely pathetic. And calling them scousers?! i have actually spoke to golden square staff and none of them were scousers, so get your facts right! They are polite and helpful. Just remember who you will look at as soon as your life is threatening! kazz32
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9:18am Sat 16 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

Interesting that you seem to regard scousers as a slur and incompatible with being polite and helpful


;-)
Interesting that you seem to regard scousers as a slur and incompatible with being polite and helpful ;-) Nick Tessla
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9:24am Sat 16 Feb 13

MikeJT says...

I have dealt with security staff and also with kids with learning difficulties. Without wishing to appear to take side (I wasnt there afterall) SOME people with difficulties CAN appear similar to people who are intoxicated/high/agr
essive. The only way of identifying the difference is via communication. We dont know if the security guard in this case had received actual instructions from his control room to move the person on.

From experience the vast majority of security staff I have encountered have been professionsl, polite and only to willing (where permissable) to offer advice rather than threats. To balance the argument the vast majority of teenagers/younger people I have met are polite and have nod desire for trouble. The problem is this is a job where politeness isnt always the norm and pleasant youngsters is not as well.

As regards the legal issues IMHO, GS is private property but allows SUBJECT TO THEIR TERMS members of the public access. Those terms to be enforceable (strictly speaking) should be displayed/advised. Enforcement of the rules is done by "the property owner" but large shopping areas etc will normally carry this out using the advice from the police. Photography in an area used by the public (not necessarily a public area but USED BY THE PUBLIC) can be against certain laws, and not just the terrorism. We've all heard of the stories of parents and photgraphing school plays. Visit GS on any day and you will see minors.

Not saying who is right/wrong here as we only have one side of the story BUT just trying to point out that its sometimes not as clear cut as "heavy-handed"/"trou
ble causing"
I have dealt with security staff and also with kids with learning difficulties. Without wishing to appear to take side (I wasnt there afterall) SOME people with difficulties CAN appear similar to people who are intoxicated/high/agr essive. The only way of identifying the difference is via communication. We dont know if the security guard in this case had received actual instructions from his control room to move the person on. From experience the vast majority of security staff I have encountered have been professionsl, polite and only to willing (where permissable) to offer advice rather than threats. To balance the argument the vast majority of teenagers/younger people I have met are polite and have nod desire for trouble. The problem is this is a job where politeness isnt always the norm and pleasant youngsters is not as well. As regards the legal issues IMHO, GS is private property but allows SUBJECT TO THEIR TERMS members of the public access. Those terms to be enforceable (strictly speaking) should be displayed/advised. Enforcement of the rules is done by "the property owner" but large shopping areas etc will normally carry this out using the advice from the police. Photography in an area used by the public (not necessarily a public area but USED BY THE PUBLIC) can be against certain laws, and not just the terrorism. We've all heard of the stories of parents and photgraphing school plays. Visit GS on any day and you will see minors. Not saying who is right/wrong here as we only have one side of the story BUT just trying to point out that its sometimes not as clear cut as "heavy-handed"/"trou ble causing" MikeJT
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10:36am Sat 16 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

old codger i am not a troll, everyones entitled to there opinion. Have you heard of freedom of speech and expression. I have had bad experiences of people with aspergers syndrome.
old codger i am not a troll, everyones entitled to there opinion. Have you heard of freedom of speech and expression. I have had bad experiences of people with aspergers syndrome. Mr Andrew Mackie
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10:40am Sat 16 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

billy porter i am not an idiot but i infact talk sense and i am 100% correct in my opinions. have you heard of freedom of speech and expression.
billy porter i am not an idiot but i infact talk sense and i am 100% correct in my opinions. have you heard of freedom of speech and expression. Mr Andrew Mackie
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11:58am Sat 16 Feb 13

muckerman says...

MikeJT wrote:
I have dealt with security staff and also with kids with learning difficulties. Without wishing to appear to take side (I wasnt there afterall) SOME people with difficulties CAN appear similar to people who are intoxicated/high/agr

essive. The only way of identifying the difference is via communication. We dont know if the security guard in this case had received actual instructions from his control room to move the person on.

From experience the vast majority of security staff I have encountered have been professionsl, polite and only to willing (where permissable) to offer advice rather than threats. To balance the argument the vast majority of teenagers/younger people I have met are polite and have nod desire for trouble. The problem is this is a job where politeness isnt always the norm and pleasant youngsters is not as well.

As regards the legal issues IMHO, GS is private property but allows SUBJECT TO THEIR TERMS members of the public access. Those terms to be enforceable (strictly speaking) should be displayed/advised. Enforcement of the rules is done by "the property owner" but large shopping areas etc will normally carry this out using the advice from the police. Photography in an area used by the public (not necessarily a public area but USED BY THE PUBLIC) can be against certain laws, and not just the terrorism. We've all heard of the stories of parents and photgraphing school plays. Visit GS on any day and you will see minors.

Not saying who is right/wrong here as we only have one side of the story BUT just trying to point out that its sometimes not as clear cut as "heavy-handed"/"trou

ble causing"
MikeJT you make some good points but the one about the guard following instructions seems very familiar - stay clear of that one mate!
[quote][p][bold]MikeJT[/bold] wrote: I have dealt with security staff and also with kids with learning difficulties. Without wishing to appear to take side (I wasnt there afterall) SOME people with difficulties CAN appear similar to people who are intoxicated/high/agr essive. The only way of identifying the difference is via communication. We dont know if the security guard in this case had received actual instructions from his control room to move the person on. From experience the vast majority of security staff I have encountered have been professionsl, polite and only to willing (where permissable) to offer advice rather than threats. To balance the argument the vast majority of teenagers/younger people I have met are polite and have nod desire for trouble. The problem is this is a job where politeness isnt always the norm and pleasant youngsters is not as well. As regards the legal issues IMHO, GS is private property but allows SUBJECT TO THEIR TERMS members of the public access. Those terms to be enforceable (strictly speaking) should be displayed/advised. Enforcement of the rules is done by "the property owner" but large shopping areas etc will normally carry this out using the advice from the police. Photography in an area used by the public (not necessarily a public area but USED BY THE PUBLIC) can be against certain laws, and not just the terrorism. We've all heard of the stories of parents and photgraphing school plays. Visit GS on any day and you will see minors. Not saying who is right/wrong here as we only have one side of the story BUT just trying to point out that its sometimes not as clear cut as "heavy-handed"/"trou ble causing"[/p][/quote]MikeJT you make some good points but the one about the guard following instructions seems very familiar - stay clear of that one mate! muckerman
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11:59am Sat 16 Feb 13

muckerman says...

MikeJT wrote:
I have dealt with security staff and also with kids with learning difficulties. Without wishing to appear to take side (I wasnt there afterall) SOME people with difficulties CAN appear similar to people who are intoxicated/high/agr

essive. The only way of identifying the difference is via communication. We dont know if the security guard in this case had received actual instructions from his control room to move the person on.

From experience the vast majority of security staff I have encountered have been professionsl, polite and only to willing (where permissable) to offer advice rather than threats. To balance the argument the vast majority of teenagers/younger people I have met are polite and have nod desire for trouble. The problem is this is a job where politeness isnt always the norm and pleasant youngsters is not as well.

As regards the legal issues IMHO, GS is private property but allows SUBJECT TO THEIR TERMS members of the public access. Those terms to be enforceable (strictly speaking) should be displayed/advised. Enforcement of the rules is done by "the property owner" but large shopping areas etc will normally carry this out using the advice from the police. Photography in an area used by the public (not necessarily a public area but USED BY THE PUBLIC) can be against certain laws, and not just the terrorism. We've all heard of the stories of parents and photgraphing school plays. Visit GS on any day and you will see minors.

Not saying who is right/wrong here as we only have one side of the story BUT just trying to point out that its sometimes not as clear cut as "heavy-handed"/"trou

ble causing"
MikeJT you make some good points but the one about the guard following instructions seems very familiar - stay clear of that one mate!
[quote][p][bold]MikeJT[/bold] wrote: I have dealt with security staff and also with kids with learning difficulties. Without wishing to appear to take side (I wasnt there afterall) SOME people with difficulties CAN appear similar to people who are intoxicated/high/agr essive. The only way of identifying the difference is via communication. We dont know if the security guard in this case had received actual instructions from his control room to move the person on. From experience the vast majority of security staff I have encountered have been professionsl, polite and only to willing (where permissable) to offer advice rather than threats. To balance the argument the vast majority of teenagers/younger people I have met are polite and have nod desire for trouble. The problem is this is a job where politeness isnt always the norm and pleasant youngsters is not as well. As regards the legal issues IMHO, GS is private property but allows SUBJECT TO THEIR TERMS members of the public access. Those terms to be enforceable (strictly speaking) should be displayed/advised. Enforcement of the rules is done by "the property owner" but large shopping areas etc will normally carry this out using the advice from the police. Photography in an area used by the public (not necessarily a public area but USED BY THE PUBLIC) can be against certain laws, and not just the terrorism. We've all heard of the stories of parents and photgraphing school plays. Visit GS on any day and you will see minors. Not saying who is right/wrong here as we only have one side of the story BUT just trying to point out that its sometimes not as clear cut as "heavy-handed"/"trou ble causing"[/p][/quote]MikeJT you make some good points but the one about the guard following instructions seems very familiar - stay clear of that one mate! muckerman
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12:03pm Sat 16 Feb 13

muckerman says...

sorry for double post guys
sorry for double post guys muckerman
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2:47pm Sat 16 Feb 13

Gripper_S says...

Mr Andrew Mackie wrote:
old codger i am not a troll, everyones entitled to there opinion. Have you heard of freedom of speech and expression. I have had bad experiences of people with aspergers syndrome.
Yes Mr. Andrew Mackie, we've all heard of freedom of speech and expression. That's another idiotic thing you've said. You're totting them up nicely.

Unless you're in the habit of deliberately saying incorrect things, I'm assuming you place freedom of speech at least on a par with being able to say something which is correct. People who spout an opinion without knowing facts are only ever correct by chance. Those people who have bothered to find out facts will usually be correct for all the right reasons!

And have you never had "bad experiences of people" who HAVEN'T been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome?

And how can you tell that many of the positive dealings you've had with people in your life didn't include ones with Asperger's sufferers? The truth borne of high probability is that from time to time you will have done, without knowing, and without any necessity to know.

So please, just give it a rest, will you? It's clear you need to extend your understanding or knowledge of the condition, and it's clear that you don't know the person involved anyway. Stop banging on with your inaccurate and ridiculous generalisations, and once you know what you're talking about, come back and give us the benefit of your knowledge.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Andrew Mackie[/bold] wrote: old codger i am not a troll, everyones entitled to there opinion. Have you heard of freedom of speech and expression. I have had bad experiences of people with aspergers syndrome.[/p][/quote]Yes Mr. Andrew Mackie, we've all heard of freedom of speech and expression. That's another idiotic thing you've said. You're totting them up nicely. Unless you're in the habit of deliberately saying incorrect things, I'm assuming you place freedom of speech at least on a par with being able to say something which is correct. People who spout an opinion without knowing facts are only ever correct by chance. Those people who have bothered to find out facts will usually be correct for all the right reasons! And have you never had "bad experiences of people" who HAVEN'T been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome? And how can you tell that many of the positive dealings you've had with people in your life didn't include ones with Asperger's sufferers? The truth borne of high probability is that from time to time you will have done, without knowing, and without any necessity to know. So please, just give it a rest, will you? It's clear you need to extend your understanding or knowledge of the condition, and it's clear that you don't know the person involved anyway. Stop banging on with your inaccurate and ridiculous generalisations, and once you know what you're talking about, come back and give us the benefit of your knowledge. Gripper_S
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3:17pm Sat 16 Feb 13

asparent says...

As the parent of the lad concerned and the writer of the original letter I thought I would chime in and thank you all for taking time out to post on here. I sincerely mean that - they all add in some way to the awareness of Asperger’s Syndrome and also the need for properly trained security staff.
I appreciate that you only have the word of my son, my wife and myself about the heavy handedness used, and people are quite right to seek both sides of any story before forming an opinion. I also agree that working in security can be a tricky job but in my opinion certain staff there at Golden Square do need some people skills. Our family were at the Warrington Wolves game last night (Fri) and the security staff there are always courteous, helpful and polite.
The only letter/post I find objectionable is the one from ‘Golden Square Spokesman’
Firstly they say: “we have welcomed the opportunity to meet with the family concerned to discuss their concerns”. They have not done this and I can assure you that no meeting has been discussed or arranged.
Secondly they say: “We immediately undertook a detailed review of both the CCTV footage and the incident report following the complaint”. This is also untrue. I wrote my original letter to the Guardian on the same day after I got to see the complaint form obtained by my wife from the information kiosk. I realised that the complaint form was very inadequate. It had no information, no addresses, no follow up contacts, and nobody to direct your complaint to. At the same time they want practically every single detail about you, so I decided (as yet) not to hand it in. It’s seemed too easy for them just to bin it.
So, how could they have possibly acted on my complaint when I haven’t even handed it in? ...It really does make you think that the staff at Golden Square and their ‘spokesman’ must be living in Wonderland along with Alice. I don’t particularly want to speak to them if their comments are anything to go by or even bother writing anything else on the incident. Other organisations are now looking into this and I will assist them as much as I can.
I’ll try Amazon etc from now on – no wonder more people are now shopping online!
Thanks again for all your input – I’m done for now.
As the parent of the lad concerned and the writer of the original letter I thought I would chime in and thank you all for taking time out to post on here. I sincerely mean that - they all add in some way to the awareness of Asperger’s Syndrome and also the need for properly trained security staff. I appreciate that you only have the word of my son, my wife and myself about the heavy handedness used, and people are quite right to seek both sides of any story before forming an opinion. I also agree that working in security can be a tricky job but in my opinion certain staff there at Golden Square do need some people skills. Our family were at the Warrington Wolves game last night (Fri) and the security staff there are always courteous, helpful and polite. The only letter/post I find objectionable is the one from ‘Golden Square Spokesman’ Firstly they say: “we have welcomed the opportunity to meet with the family concerned to discuss their concerns”. They have not done this and I can assure you that no meeting has been discussed or arranged. Secondly they say: “We immediately undertook a detailed review of both the CCTV footage and the incident report following the complaint”. This is also untrue. I wrote my original letter to the Guardian on the same day after I got to see the complaint form obtained by my wife from the information kiosk. I realised that the complaint form was very inadequate. It had no information, no addresses, no follow up contacts, and nobody to direct your complaint to. At the same time they want practically every single detail about you, so I decided (as yet) not to hand it in. It’s seemed too easy for them just to bin it. So, how could they have possibly acted on my complaint when I haven’t even handed it in? ...It really does make you think that the staff at Golden Square and their ‘spokesman’ must be living in Wonderland along with Alice. I don’t particularly want to speak to them if their comments are anything to go by or even bother writing anything else on the incident. Other organisations are now looking into this and I will assist them as much as I can. I’ll try Amazon etc from now on – no wonder more people are now shopping online! Thanks again for all your input – I’m done for now. asparent
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3:25pm Sat 16 Feb 13

Gripper_S says...

Best wishes to asparent and your family.

On the basis of what you write, you really seem to have been shamefully dealt with, not only by the security guard but the whole GS management. It will be interesting to see if and how they respond.
Best wishes to asparent and your family. On the basis of what you write, you really seem to have been shamefully dealt with, not only by the security guard but the whole GS management. It will be interesting to see if and how they respond. Gripper_S
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5:36pm Sat 16 Feb 13

The Maestro says...

SickAndTired2 wrote:
The Maestro wrote:
its private property, therefore the owner can ask you not to film or take photo's although if how you right it is correct the security guard was being out of hand
What rubbish. It's in the public domain. Golden Square is a public shopping centre, for the public to go and spend leisurely time there. There are no laws regarding taking photographs in a public place.
I think you find it is private property open to the public, and the not counting as having a right of way like public shopping areas such as Bridge street. with the owners having the right to refuse anyone entry and having a power in common law to use reasonable to eject them fiom the premises, supermarkets also class as private property as do all other type of shops. As for filming/ taking photo's in a public place you cannot be stopped from doing so, however on private land you can if asked to do so and asked to leave. Re the law, you are correct in saying there is no law on photographing but there are laws which the photographer must adher to.
[quote][p][bold]SickAndTired2[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Maestro[/bold] wrote: its private property, therefore the owner can ask you not to film or take photo's although if how you right it is correct the security guard was being out of hand[/p][/quote]What rubbish. It's in the public domain. Golden Square is a public shopping centre, for the public to go and spend leisurely time there. There are no laws regarding taking photographs in a public place.[/p][/quote]I think you find it is private property open to the public, and the not counting as having a right of way like public shopping areas such as Bridge street. with the owners having the right to refuse anyone entry and having a power in common law to use reasonable to eject them fiom the premises, supermarkets also class as private property as do all other type of shops. As for filming/ taking photo's in a public place you cannot be stopped from doing so, however on private land you can if asked to do so and asked to leave. Re the law, you are correct in saying there is no law on photographing but there are laws which the photographer must adher to. The Maestro
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11:52pm Sat 16 Feb 13

SapperM says...

Mr Andrew Mackie wrote:
The security guards are just Scouse Plastic gangster wannabee meglomaniacs. I had problems with them last year after i visited the poundland store opposite Marks and Spencers on Sankey Street. They just like harrassing innocent victims.
You had a problem with Golden square guards in Poundland?
Why would they have been dealing with you? Poundland isn't in Golden square.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Andrew Mackie[/bold] wrote: The security guards are just Scouse Plastic gangster wannabee meglomaniacs. I had problems with them last year after i visited the poundland store opposite Marks and Spencers on Sankey Street. They just like harrassing innocent victims.[/p][/quote]You had a problem with Golden square guards in Poundland? Why would they have been dealing with you? Poundland isn't in Golden square. SapperM
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11:55pm Sat 16 Feb 13

SapperM says...

philipkroberts wrote:
The security staff are awful. They walk around like they own the place. Last week there was a drunk man in the bus station. They just threw him on the floor and he smashed his head.

I understand he shouldn't have been drunk in a public place but that's for the police to deal with. Not those horrible spouse idiots who some crazy fool gave an SIA badge.

Note I'm also scouse and its idiots like them that give this town such a bad name.
So as a good citizen you phoned the police and reported it as the drunk was clearly assaulted?
[quote][p][bold]philipkroberts[/bold] wrote: The security staff are awful. They walk around like they own the place. Last week there was a drunk man in the bus station. They just threw him on the floor and he smashed his head. I understand he shouldn't have been drunk in a public place but that's for the police to deal with. Not those horrible spouse idiots who some crazy fool gave an SIA badge. Note I'm also scouse and its idiots like them that give this town such a bad name.[/p][/quote]So as a good citizen you phoned the police and reported it as the drunk was clearly assaulted? SapperM
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12:15am Sun 17 Feb 13

SapperM says...

gerrumonside wrote:
Are these guys dressed up like wannabe SAS troopers...like I see in other shopping centres up and down the country...

they do make me laugh dressed up in black combat pants, jack boots, big belts with all sorts of gadgets and keys hanging off them.

I'd make the uniform a top hat and tails complete with white velvet gloves then maybe a better class of person would fill the role than these wannabe toy soldiers.....
SAS troopers?
Golden square uniform for security is a Purple shirt & Silver tie, Grey trousers, Blue Blouson Jacket or Grey Blazer?
If you were walking around all day I think you wear comfy boots too.
As to the belts, have you asked about them? I have.
The guards are all 1st aiders, so small 1st aid kit pouch,
Pouch with note book and pen,
Pouch with a folded high viz for wearing during evacuations in emergencies so they are easily identified to public.
Small torch as they are responsible for checking the extensive undeground passages during evacuations.
They all carry a little torch like gadget that they have to touch to certain points throughout the building to record their movements.
Its a large building with lots of doors/secure areas so it also makes sense they carry keys.
They also carry a radio, some two (one to police, one to their own control room).

Your right, the 1st thing I think of on seeing the Purple shirts is an embassy being stormed.

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Can't say I've seen any security in any shopping centre around the country dressed as you described in combat trousers.
[quote][p][bold]gerrumonside[/bold] wrote: Are these guys dressed up like wannabe SAS troopers...like I see in other shopping centres up and down the country... they do make me laugh dressed up in black combat pants, jack boots, big belts with all sorts of gadgets and keys hanging off them. I'd make the uniform a top hat and tails complete with white velvet gloves then maybe a better class of person would fill the role than these wannabe toy soldiers.....[/p][/quote]SAS troopers? Golden square uniform for security is a Purple shirt & Silver tie, Grey trousers, Blue Blouson Jacket or Grey Blazer? If you were walking around all day I think you wear comfy boots too. As to the belts, have you asked about them? I have. The guards are all 1st aiders, so small 1st aid kit pouch, Pouch with note book and pen, Pouch with a folded high viz for wearing during evacuations in emergencies so they are easily identified to public. Small torch as they are responsible for checking the extensive undeground passages during evacuations. They all carry a little torch like gadget that they have to touch to certain points throughout the building to record their movements. Its a large building with lots of doors/secure areas so it also makes sense they carry keys. They also carry a radio, some two (one to police, one to their own control room). Your right, the 1st thing I think of on seeing the Purple shirts is an embassy being stormed. https://www.google.c o.uk/search?hl=en&si te=imghp&tbm=isch&so urce=hp&biw=1024&bih =641&q=sas+embassy&o q=SAS+e&gs_l=img.1.5 .0l10.3308.5288.0.86 39.5.5.0.0.0.0.190.6 49.2j3.5.0...0.0...1 ac.1.3.img.zfW1zwqnc m4 Can't say I've seen any security in any shopping centre around the country dressed as you described in combat trousers. SapperM
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9:29pm Sun 17 Feb 13

andreask says...

Mr Andrew Mackie wrote:
What i don't agree with, is this this excuse of Aspergers Syndrome. This is often used as an excuse for bad behaviour and to get off from things.
What is your problem? Every article you comment on just doesn't make sense. I think you just make stuff up to cause hassle. Why don't you stop commenting on things? Muppet.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Andrew Mackie[/bold] wrote: What i don't agree with, is this this excuse of Aspergers Syndrome. This is often used as an excuse for bad behaviour and to get off from things.[/p][/quote]What is your problem? Every article you comment on just doesn't make sense. I think you just make stuff up to cause hassle. Why don't you stop commenting on things? Muppet. andreask
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11:18am Mon 18 Feb 13

LJ says...

Its no wonder the town centre is struggling. What about visitors from out of town who might want a picture of the Alice in Wonderland sculpture. We might as well get rid of it, and the skittles and everything else if you're not allowed to take pictures. Just buy everything online and have it administered and delivered by a logistics company. Golden Square can rot for all I care
Its no wonder the town centre is struggling. What about visitors from out of town who might want a picture of the Alice in Wonderland sculpture. We might as well get rid of it, and the skittles and everything else if you're not allowed to take pictures. Just buy everything online and have it administered and delivered by a logistics company. Golden Square can rot for all I care LJ
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12:01pm Mon 18 Feb 13

HappyMisery says...

I was in Golden Square yesterday. I bought my lad a milkshake from Millies and sat in their tabled area. I saw two of the guards "patrolling" the area. They very much look like bouncers rather than uniformed guards.
I was in Golden Square yesterday. I bought my lad a milkshake from Millies and sat in their tabled area. I saw two of the guards "patrolling" the area. They very much look like bouncers rather than uniformed guards. HappyMisery
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12:19pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Apage1 says...

HappyMisery wrote:
I was in Golden Square yesterday. I bought my lad a milkshake from Millies and sat in their tabled area. I saw two of the guards "patrolling" the area. They very much look like bouncers rather than uniformed guards.
That sounds lovely..it reminds me that I need to spend more quality time with my own children. I like visiting the golden Square, because of the shops but because it's well managed and feels safe. Chances of having my phone snatched out of my hands by a passing thief on a bike outside Millies?..probably 0% ...(more chance of being hit by a meteor) Because of this..I have to say well done to the Golden Square staff for providing good service and a safe environment. Only my opinion though chaps..play nice
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: I was in Golden Square yesterday. I bought my lad a milkshake from Millies and sat in their tabled area. I saw two of the guards "patrolling" the area. They very much look like bouncers rather than uniformed guards.[/p][/quote]That sounds lovely..it reminds me that I need to spend more quality time with my own children. I like visiting the golden Square, because of the shops but because it's well managed and feels safe. Chances of having my phone snatched out of my hands by a passing thief on a bike outside Millies?..probably 0% ...(more chance of being hit by a meteor) Because of this..I have to say well done to the Golden Square staff for providing good service and a safe environment. Only my opinion though chaps..play nice Apage1
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2:33pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Mr...S says...

if the golden square comment is lies then i'm disgusted!! shop online, at the end of the day its the consumers who have the power to decide not to shop in large shopping centres.
there are better bargains online and an infinite choice, shopping centres are a thing of the past.
if the golden square comment is lies then i'm disgusted!! shop online, at the end of the day its the consumers who have the power to decide not to shop in large shopping centres. there are better bargains online and an infinite choice, shopping centres are a thing of the past. Mr...S
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8:23pm Mon 18 Feb 13

muckerman says...

Apage1 wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
I was in Golden Square yesterday. I bought my lad a milkshake from Millies and sat in their tabled area. I saw two of the guards "patrolling" the area. They very much look like bouncers rather than uniformed guards.
That sounds lovely..it reminds me that I need to spend more quality time with my own children. I like visiting the golden Square, because of the shops but because it's well managed and feels safe. Chances of having my phone snatched out of my hands by a passing thief on a bike outside Millies?..probably 0% ...(more chance of being hit by a meteor) Because of this..I have to say well done to the Golden Square staff for providing good service and a safe environment. Only my opinion though chaps..play nice
Very good chance of getting your phone snatched by a GS 'security' staff member though - if you're taking pics with it!
[quote][p][bold]Apage1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: I was in Golden Square yesterday. I bought my lad a milkshake from Millies and sat in their tabled area. I saw two of the guards "patrolling" the area. They very much look like bouncers rather than uniformed guards.[/p][/quote]That sounds lovely..it reminds me that I need to spend more quality time with my own children. I like visiting the golden Square, because of the shops but because it's well managed and feels safe. Chances of having my phone snatched out of my hands by a passing thief on a bike outside Millies?..probably 0% ...(more chance of being hit by a meteor) Because of this..I have to say well done to the Golden Square staff for providing good service and a safe environment. Only my opinion though chaps..play nice[/p][/quote]Very good chance of getting your phone snatched by a GS 'security' staff member though - if you're taking pics with it! muckerman
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9:35am Tue 19 Feb 13

Apage1 says...

I don't think that would happen. More likely, if I was putting my camera-phone in yours and your family's faces ,whilst you were out shopping, you'd either confront me about it or take the easier approach and report my behaviour to a member of the security team. They'd tell me to put it away and/or ask me to leave the centre for the disturbance I had caused. I wouldn't expect my phone to be taken off me and that didn't happen here either. The problem here seems to be that some People just don't like being told and that's going to get more common the more time we spend away from each other... Shopping on the Internet for example
I don't think that would happen. More likely, if I was putting my camera-phone in yours and your family's faces ,whilst you were out shopping, you'd either confront me about it or take the easier approach and report my behaviour to a member of the security team. They'd tell me to put it away and/or ask me to leave the centre for the disturbance I had caused. I wouldn't expect my phone to be taken off me and that didn't happen here either. The problem here seems to be that some People just don't like being told and that's going to get more common the more time we spend away from each other... Shopping on the Internet for example Apage1
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9:55am Tue 19 Feb 13

LJ says...

Apage1 wrote:
I don't think that would happen. More likely, if I was putting my camera-phone in yours and your family's faces ,whilst you were out shopping, you'd either confront me about it or take the easier approach and report my behaviour to a member of the security team. They'd tell me to put it away and/or ask me to leave the centre for the disturbance I had caused. I wouldn't expect my phone to be taken off me and that didn't happen here either. The problem here seems to be that some People just don't like being told and that's going to get more common the more time we spend away from each other... Shopping on the Internet for example
You wouldn't eat in a restaurant if the food was notoriously bad
[quote][p][bold]Apage1[/bold] wrote: I don't think that would happen. More likely, if I was putting my camera-phone in yours and your family's faces ,whilst you were out shopping, you'd either confront me about it or take the easier approach and report my behaviour to a member of the security team. They'd tell me to put it away and/or ask me to leave the centre for the disturbance I had caused. I wouldn't expect my phone to be taken off me and that didn't happen here either. The problem here seems to be that some People just don't like being told and that's going to get more common the more time we spend away from each other... Shopping on the Internet for example[/p][/quote]You wouldn't eat in a restaurant if the food was notoriously bad LJ
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10:42am Tue 19 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

Andreask - get a life you muppet ! By the way are you Kermit, Miss Piggy or Gonzo ? If you haven't got anything decent to say, keep you opinions to yourself !
Andreask - get a life you muppet ! By the way are you Kermit, Miss Piggy or Gonzo ? If you haven't got anything decent to say, keep you opinions to yourself ! Mr Andrew Mackie
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10:46am Tue 19 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

Grippers, Happy Misery, Old Codger, Billy Porter, Muckerman, please say something sensible because i don't want to see rubbish printed by rubbish.
Grippers, Happy Misery, Old Codger, Billy Porter, Muckerman, please say something sensible because i don't want to see rubbish printed by rubbish. Mr Andrew Mackie
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10:53am Tue 19 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

If Aspergers Syndrome is a disability, why don't the press, Judges, and Courts see it that way ? I'm no expert but they still get sent down and they play on the fact that they have this condition. The whole world dosen't revolve around people who have this illness, however i do have sympathy for them.
If Aspergers Syndrome is a disability, why don't the press, Judges, and Courts see it that way ? I'm no expert but they still get sent down and they play on the fact that they have this condition. The whole world dosen't revolve around people who have this illness, however i do have sympathy for them. Mr Andrew Mackie
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11:29am Tue 19 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

Mr Andrew Mackie wrote:
If Aspergers Syndrome is a disability, why don't the press, Judges, and Courts see it that way ? I'm no expert but they still get sent down and they play on the fact that they have this condition. The whole world dosen't revolve around people who have this illness, however i do have sympathy for them.
(Some of) the press do not accept it because they are pig ignorant.


People getting sent down who have it does not mean either;


1) that the courts do not take it into account or

2) that it is not a disability - if (to make up an purely hypothetical case ! ) a double amputee gets sentenced to life for murdering his girlfriend - it does not change the fact that he is disabled.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Andrew Mackie[/bold] wrote: If Aspergers Syndrome is a disability, why don't the press, Judges, and Courts see it that way ? I'm no expert but they still get sent down and they play on the fact that they have this condition. The whole world dosen't revolve around people who have this illness, however i do have sympathy for them.[/p][/quote](Some of) the press do not accept it because they are pig ignorant. People getting sent down who have it does not mean either; 1) that the courts do not take it into account or 2) that it is not a disability - if (to make up an purely hypothetical case ! ) a double amputee gets sentenced to life for murdering his girlfriend - it does not change the fact that he is disabled. Nick Tessla
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11:38am Tue 19 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

Fair comment Nick. I Can't argue, your right. I know the press are ignorant, tell me about it !
Fair comment Nick. I Can't argue, your right. I know the press are ignorant, tell me about it ! Mr Andrew Mackie
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11:47am Tue 19 Feb 13

Apage1 says...

LJ wrote:
Apage1 wrote:
I don't think that would happen. More likely, if I was putting my camera-phone in yours and your family's faces ,whilst you were out shopping, you'd either confront me about it or take the easier approach and report my behaviour to a member of the security team. They'd tell me to put it away and/or ask me to leave the centre for the disturbance I had caused. I wouldn't expect my phone to be taken off me and that didn't happen here either. The problem here seems to be that some People just don't like being told and that's going to get more common the more time we spend away from each other... Shopping on the Internet for example
You wouldn't eat in a restaurant if the food was notoriously bad
No i wouldn't, beacause a restraunt whose food was 'notoriously bad' would probably be closed due to poor takings. The GS looks thriving to me and feels like a well-managed space.
[quote][p][bold]LJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apage1[/bold] wrote: I don't think that would happen. More likely, if I was putting my camera-phone in yours and your family's faces ,whilst you were out shopping, you'd either confront me about it or take the easier approach and report my behaviour to a member of the security team. They'd tell me to put it away and/or ask me to leave the centre for the disturbance I had caused. I wouldn't expect my phone to be taken off me and that didn't happen here either. The problem here seems to be that some People just don't like being told and that's going to get more common the more time we spend away from each other... Shopping on the Internet for example[/p][/quote]You wouldn't eat in a restaurant if the food was notoriously bad[/p][/quote]No i wouldn't, beacause a restraunt whose food was 'notoriously bad' would probably be closed due to poor takings. The GS looks thriving to me and feels like a well-managed space. Apage1
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11:55am Tue 19 Feb 13

Apage1 says...

Apage1 wrote:
LJ wrote:
Apage1 wrote:
I don't think that would happen. More likely, if I was putting my camera-phone in yours and your family's faces ,whilst you were out shopping, you'd either confront me about it or take the easier approach and report my behaviour to a member of the security team. They'd tell me to put it away and/or ask me to leave the centre for the disturbance I had caused. I wouldn't expect my phone to be taken off me and that didn't happen here either. The problem here seems to be that some People just don't like being told and that's going to get more common the more time we spend away from each other... Shopping on the Internet for example
You wouldn't eat in a restaurant if the food was notoriously bad
No i wouldn't, beacause a restraunt whose food was 'notoriously bad' would probably be closed due to poor takings. The GS looks thriving to me and feels like a well-managed space.
*restaurant*
[quote][p][bold]Apage1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]LJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apage1[/bold] wrote: I don't think that would happen. More likely, if I was putting my camera-phone in yours and your family's faces ,whilst you were out shopping, you'd either confront me about it or take the easier approach and report my behaviour to a member of the security team. They'd tell me to put it away and/or ask me to leave the centre for the disturbance I had caused. I wouldn't expect my phone to be taken off me and that didn't happen here either. The problem here seems to be that some People just don't like being told and that's going to get more common the more time we spend away from each other... Shopping on the Internet for example[/p][/quote]You wouldn't eat in a restaurant if the food was notoriously bad[/p][/quote]No i wouldn't, beacause a restraunt whose food was 'notoriously bad' would probably be closed due to poor takings. The GS looks thriving to me and feels like a well-managed space.[/p][/quote]*restaurant* Apage1
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11:59am Tue 19 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

Eh ? What's food got to do with Photography or Aspergers Syndrome ?
Eh ? What's food got to do with Photography or Aspergers Syndrome ? Mr Andrew Mackie
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12:38pm Tue 19 Feb 13

tojahejome says...

Does not surprise me at all about the bad attitude of the security staff. I have only had a handful of dealings with the staff but have always found them unhelpful and in one case rude.
Does not surprise me at all about the bad attitude of the security staff. I have only had a handful of dealings with the staff but have always found them unhelpful and in one case rude. tojahejome
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12:55pm Tue 19 Feb 13

WTONSkeptic says...

Mr Andrew Mackie wrote:
If Aspergers Syndrome is a disability, why don't the press, Judges, and Courts see it that way ? I'm no expert but they still get sent down and they play on the fact that they have this condition. The whole world dosen't revolve around people who have this illness, however i do have sympathy for them.
Do you really think people would "play" on this? I have lived and struggled my entire 40 years alive with Autism and I would actually rather that I didn't have the condition.

For the Parents of this child, please just continue to support him, it will get better for him to cope, but its going to be a tough road ahead. Something I was told a long time ago, is when I get in trouble, dont say I have Aspergers as most people dont know what it is, teach him that when he is in trouble or stressed that he needs to say he is Autistic.
[quote][p][bold]Mr Andrew Mackie[/bold] wrote: If Aspergers Syndrome is a disability, why don't the press, Judges, and Courts see it that way ? I'm no expert but they still get sent down and they play on the fact that they have this condition. The whole world dosen't revolve around people who have this illness, however i do have sympathy for them.[/p][/quote]Do you really think people would "play" on this? I have lived and struggled my entire 40 years alive with Autism and I would actually rather that I didn't have the condition. For the Parents of this child, please just continue to support him, it will get better for him to cope, but its going to be a tough road ahead. Something I was told a long time ago, is when I get in trouble, dont say I have Aspergers as most people dont know what it is, teach him that when he is in trouble or stressed that he needs to say he is Autistic. WTONSkeptic
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2:32pm Tue 19 Feb 13

LJ says...

Mr Andrew Mackie wrote:
Eh ? What's food got to do with Photography or Aspergers Syndrome ?
My comment was to illustrate a principle. You wouldn't eat in a restaurant that was notoriously bad, so why shop in a shopping mall where you get treated badly by security staff.

At the end of the day all he was doing was taking pictures. Someone was probably having their bag or purse snatched while he was being escorted away by security.

Try and keep up!
[quote][p][bold]Mr Andrew Mackie[/bold] wrote: Eh ? What's food got to do with Photography or Aspergers Syndrome ?[/p][/quote]My comment was to illustrate a principle. You wouldn't eat in a restaurant that was notoriously bad, so why shop in a shopping mall where you get treated badly by security staff. At the end of the day all he was doing was taking pictures. Someone was probably having their bag or purse snatched while he was being escorted away by security. Try and keep up! LJ
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7:20pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Lavishbanquet says...

I use golden square regularly and used to work there. I have seen the security staff be terrible:
> ignore people who have swore and shouted at full volume across the old market place.
>Left someone sleeping outside the Lloyds TSB on the bench for over 30 mins.
>Not notice the receipt box outside the co-op bank was on fire.
>Not stopped kids on motorised scooters, even though they were riding around for over ten minutes.
>Tell someone trying out a lens in the doorway of Jessops they cannot do that, costing them a couple of thousand in a lost sale.
>Ignored shop alarms when they have rang out of hours.
And this is just for starters. When the center changed ownership from Legal and General to their current owner, the quality of security dropped off. I dont feel safe in the center, and if something happened, I think I'd have to take my chances waiting for the police. They'd probably arrive sooner...
I use golden square regularly and used to work there. I have seen the security staff be terrible: > ignore people who have swore and shouted at full volume across the old market place. >Left someone sleeping outside the Lloyds TSB on the bench for over 30 mins. >Not notice the receipt box outside the co-op bank was on fire. >Not stopped kids on motorised scooters, even though they were riding around for over ten minutes. >Tell someone trying out a lens in the doorway of Jessops they cannot do that, costing them a couple of thousand in a lost sale. >Ignored shop alarms when they have rang out of hours. And this is just for starters. When the center changed ownership from Legal and General to their current owner, the quality of security dropped off. I dont feel safe in the center, and if something happened, I think I'd have to take my chances waiting for the police. They'd probably arrive sooner... Lavishbanquet
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8:54pm Tue 19 Feb 13

muckerman says...

Lavishbanquet wrote:
I use golden square regularly and used to work there. I have seen the security staff be terrible:
> ignore people who have swore and shouted at full volume across the old market place.
>Left someone sleeping outside the Lloyds TSB on the bench for over 30 mins.
>Not notice the receipt box outside the co-op bank was on fire.
>Not stopped kids on motorised scooters, even though they were riding around for over ten minutes.
>Tell someone trying out a lens in the doorway of Jessops they cannot do that, costing them a couple of thousand in a lost sale.
>Ignored shop alarms when they have rang out of hours.
And this is just for starters. When the center changed ownership from Legal and General to their current owner, the quality of security dropped off. I dont feel safe in the center, and if something happened, I think I'd have to take my chances waiting for the police. They'd probably arrive sooner...
This seems to be the opinion of most people you talk to about the bouncers at GS which makes me suspicious of Apage 1 comments here and the other letter...is he a spokesman for GS in disguise I wonder?

I don't know what planet Mr Andrew Mackey is on, but he's pretty harmless I suppose :)
[quote][p][bold]Lavishbanquet[/bold] wrote: I use golden square regularly and used to work there. I have seen the security staff be terrible: > ignore people who have swore and shouted at full volume across the old market place. >Left someone sleeping outside the Lloyds TSB on the bench for over 30 mins. >Not notice the receipt box outside the co-op bank was on fire. >Not stopped kids on motorised scooters, even though they were riding around for over ten minutes. >Tell someone trying out a lens in the doorway of Jessops they cannot do that, costing them a couple of thousand in a lost sale. >Ignored shop alarms when they have rang out of hours. And this is just for starters. When the center changed ownership from Legal and General to their current owner, the quality of security dropped off. I dont feel safe in the center, and if something happened, I think I'd have to take my chances waiting for the police. They'd probably arrive sooner...[/p][/quote]This seems to be the opinion of most people you talk to about the bouncers at GS which makes me suspicious of Apage 1 comments here and the other letter...is he a spokesman for GS in disguise I wonder? I don't know what planet Mr Andrew Mackey is on, but he's pretty harmless I suppose :) muckerman
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2:16pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

Muckerman, i am on the same planet as you, i just give my opinion, but hate abuse, violence and i have made my point quite clear on these forums.
Muckerman, i am on the same planet as you, i just give my opinion, but hate abuse, violence and i have made my point quite clear on these forums. Mr Andrew Mackie
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3:07pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Apage1 says...

muckerman wrote:
Lavishbanquet wrote:
I use golden square regularly and used to work there. I have seen the security staff be terrible:
> ignore people who have swore and shouted at full volume across the old market place.
>Left someone sleeping outside the Lloyds TSB on the bench for over 30 mins.
>Not notice the receipt box outside the co-op bank was on fire.
>Not stopped kids on motorised scooters, even though they were riding around for over ten minutes.
>Tell someone trying out a lens in the doorway of Jessops they cannot do that, costing them a couple of thousand in a lost sale.
>Ignored shop alarms when they have rang out of hours.
And this is just for starters. When the center changed ownership from Legal and General to their current owner, the quality of security dropped off. I dont feel safe in the center, and if something happened, I think I'd have to take my chances waiting for the police. They'd probably arrive sooner...
This seems to be the opinion of most people you talk to about the bouncers at GS which makes me suspicious of Apage 1 comments here and the other letter...is he a spokesman for GS in disguise I wonder?

I don't know what planet Mr Andrew Mackey is on, but he's pretty harmless I suppose :)
Ha ha! somone doesn't agree with your nonsense so they must be on the payroll.

The comments on the Lavish Banquet post seem to be mostly about action that the security have NOT taken...and here you all are kicking off when they do take action. Damned if you do... damned if you don't. You teach them a lesson and stay away from now on, least the queue for Primark will be a bit shorter when it opens!
[quote][p][bold]muckerman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lavishbanquet[/bold] wrote: I use golden square regularly and used to work there. I have seen the security staff be terrible: > ignore people who have swore and shouted at full volume across the old market place. >Left someone sleeping outside the Lloyds TSB on the bench for over 30 mins. >Not notice the receipt box outside the co-op bank was on fire. >Not stopped kids on motorised scooters, even though they were riding around for over ten minutes. >Tell someone trying out a lens in the doorway of Jessops they cannot do that, costing them a couple of thousand in a lost sale. >Ignored shop alarms when they have rang out of hours. And this is just for starters. When the center changed ownership from Legal and General to their current owner, the quality of security dropped off. I dont feel safe in the center, and if something happened, I think I'd have to take my chances waiting for the police. They'd probably arrive sooner...[/p][/quote]This seems to be the opinion of most people you talk to about the bouncers at GS which makes me suspicious of Apage 1 comments here and the other letter...is he a spokesman for GS in disguise I wonder? I don't know what planet Mr Andrew Mackey is on, but he's pretty harmless I suppose :)[/p][/quote]Ha ha! somone doesn't agree with your nonsense so they must be on the payroll. The comments on the Lavish Banquet post seem to be mostly about action that the security have NOT taken...and here you all are kicking off when they do take action. Damned if you do... damned if you don't. You teach them a lesson and stay away from now on, least the queue for Primark will be a bit shorter when it opens! Apage1
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3:37pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

I am on the payroll of the Police and Security Guards.
I am on the payroll of the Police and Security Guards. Mr Andrew Mackie
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3:48pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

Blah, blah, blah, blah , blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah -
Blah, blah, blah, blah , blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah - Mr Andrew Mackie
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3:50pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

At the end of the day what are cameras for ? Answer: for taking pictures, so i don't see what the problem is or the harm it can cause.
At the end of the day what are cameras for ? Answer: for taking pictures, so i don't see what the problem is or the harm it can cause. Mr Andrew Mackie
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5:43pm Wed 20 Feb 13

muckerman says...

Apage1 wrote:
muckerman wrote:
Lavishbanquet wrote:
I use golden square regularly and used to work there. I have seen the security staff be terrible:
> ignore people who have swore and shouted at full volume across the old market place.
>Left someone sleeping outside the Lloyds TSB on the bench for over 30 mins.
>Not notice the receipt box outside the co-op bank was on fire.
>Not stopped kids on motorised scooters, even though they were riding around for over ten minutes.
>Tell someone trying out a lens in the doorway of Jessops they cannot do that, costing them a couple of thousand in a lost sale.
>Ignored shop alarms when they have rang out of hours.
And this is just for starters. When the center changed ownership from Legal and General to their current owner, the quality of security dropped off. I dont feel safe in the center, and if something happened, I think I'd have to take my chances waiting for the police. They'd probably arrive sooner...
This seems to be the opinion of most people you talk to about the bouncers at GS which makes me suspicious of Apage 1 comments here and the other letter...is he a spokesman for GS in disguise I wonder?

I don't know what planet Mr Andrew Mackey is on, but he's pretty harmless I suppose :)
Ha ha! somone doesn't agree with your nonsense so they must be on the payroll.

The comments on the Lavish Banquet post seem to be mostly about action that the security have NOT taken...and here you all are kicking off when they do take action. Damned if you do... damned if you don't. You teach them a lesson and stay away from now on, least the queue for Primark will be a bit shorter when it opens!
Apage 1
Only seems to be you on the side of the heavy-handed guards in all these replies, what does that tell you?

Maybe you’re not on the payroll, maybe you're a boyfriend of one of the guards, I dunno, but you’re on your own with your self opinionated babbling's

Jessops gone, HMV going, Republic going, rumours of others going....
[quote][p][bold]Apage1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muckerman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lavishbanquet[/bold] wrote: I use golden square regularly and used to work there. I have seen the security staff be terrible: > ignore people who have swore and shouted at full volume across the old market place. >Left someone sleeping outside the Lloyds TSB on the bench for over 30 mins. >Not notice the receipt box outside the co-op bank was on fire. >Not stopped kids on motorised scooters, even though they were riding around for over ten minutes. >Tell someone trying out a lens in the doorway of Jessops they cannot do that, costing them a couple of thousand in a lost sale. >Ignored shop alarms when they have rang out of hours. And this is just for starters. When the center changed ownership from Legal and General to their current owner, the quality of security dropped off. I dont feel safe in the center, and if something happened, I think I'd have to take my chances waiting for the police. They'd probably arrive sooner...[/p][/quote]This seems to be the opinion of most people you talk to about the bouncers at GS which makes me suspicious of Apage 1 comments here and the other letter...is he a spokesman for GS in disguise I wonder? I don't know what planet Mr Andrew Mackey is on, but he's pretty harmless I suppose :)[/p][/quote]Ha ha! somone doesn't agree with your nonsense so they must be on the payroll. The comments on the Lavish Banquet post seem to be mostly about action that the security have NOT taken...and here you all are kicking off when they do take action. Damned if you do... damned if you don't. You teach them a lesson and stay away from now on, least the queue for Primark will be a bit shorter when it opens![/p][/quote]Apage 1 Only seems to be you on the side of the heavy-handed guards in all these replies, what does that tell you? Maybe you’re not on the payroll, maybe you're a boyfriend of one of the guards, I dunno, but you’re on your own with your self opinionated babbling's Jessops gone, HMV going, Republic going, rumours of others going.... muckerman
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5:50pm Wed 20 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

Mr Apage 1, your not gay are you ? i thought you sounded a bit butch ! I've heard of Adam and Eve, but not Adam and Steve ! (lol)
Mr Apage 1, your not gay are you ? i thought you sounded a bit butch ! I've heard of Adam and Eve, but not Adam and Steve ! (lol) Mr Andrew Mackie
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6:58pm Wed 20 Feb 13

muckerman says...

It seems homophobia is another one of your many "talents" Mr Mackie?
It seems homophobia is another one of your many "talents" Mr Mackie? muckerman
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11:01am Thu 21 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

No Mr Muckerman, you've got me all wrong. I am not Homophobic, Racist, Sexist, or anything. I don't hold a grudge against anyone. Everyone has a choice in life, as long as they don't bother and affect me.
No Mr Muckerman, you've got me all wrong. I am not Homophobic, Racist, Sexist, or anything. I don't hold a grudge against anyone. Everyone has a choice in life, as long as they don't bother and affect me. Mr Andrew Mackie
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1:30pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Kym03 says...

I have put in a complaint in the past about one of the security team being racist towards my husband within the G.S... not that it was much point because it didn't go very far instead they made up lies to get themselves out of potential trouble.
Don't rely on them for what they are actually meant to be doing, rather than protecting the public they seem to have too much fun causing the issues.
I have put in a complaint in the past about one of the security team being racist towards my husband within the G.S... not that it was much point because it didn't go very far instead they made up lies to get themselves out of potential trouble. Don't rely on them for what they are actually meant to be doing, rather than protecting the public they seem to have too much fun causing the issues. Kym03
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1:45pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

I wish everyone would stop picking on these Scouse Security guards, they do have a job to do, harrassing innocent people !
I wish everyone would stop picking on these Scouse Security guards, they do have a job to do, harrassing innocent people ! Mr Andrew Mackie
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2:15pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

Can anyone tell me where you can buy a decent zoom lense camera because Jessops has gone ! (lol)
Can anyone tell me where you can buy a decent zoom lense camera because Jessops has gone ! (lol) Mr Andrew Mackie
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2:17pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

The decent people of Warrington, we have forgot about the whole issue of this article which is a young lad with Aspergers Syndrome getting harrassed by Scouse security guards.
The decent people of Warrington, we have forgot about the whole issue of this article which is a young lad with Aspergers Syndrome getting harrassed by Scouse security guards. Mr Andrew Mackie
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4:10pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

Mr Andrew Mackie wrote:
No Mr Muckerman, you've got me all wrong. I am not Homophobic, Racist, Sexist, or anything. I don't hold a grudge against anyone. Everyone has a choice in life, as long as they don't bother and affect me.
Choice ! Do you think that someone chooses to be born a woman, or black, or do you just think someone has a "choice" about being gay or having Asperger's ?
[quote][p][bold]Mr Andrew Mackie[/bold] wrote: No Mr Muckerman, you've got me all wrong. I am not Homophobic, Racist, Sexist, or anything. I don't hold a grudge against anyone. Everyone has a choice in life, as long as they don't bother and affect me.[/p][/quote]Choice ! Do you think that someone chooses to be born a woman, or black, or do you just think someone has a "choice" about being gay or having Asperger's ? Nick Tessla
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4:27pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

you're starting to get on my nerves twisting things all the time girls.
you're starting to get on my nerves twisting things all the time girls. Mr Andrew Mackie
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4:28pm Thu 21 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie says...

It's all gone quiet over there !
It's all gone quiet over there ! Mr Andrew Mackie
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6:36pm Thu 21 Feb 13

muckerman says...

Lavishbanquet wrote:
I use golden square regularly and used to work there. I have seen the security staff be terrible:
> ignore people who have swore and shouted at full volume across the old market place.
>Left someone sleeping outside the Lloyds TSB on the bench for over 30 mins.
>Not notice the receipt box outside the co-op bank was on fire.
>Not stopped kids on motorised scooters, even though they were riding around for over ten minutes.
>Tell someone trying out a lens in the doorway of Jessops they cannot do that, costing them a couple of thousand in a lost sale.
>Ignored shop alarms when they have rang out of hours.
And this is just for starters. When the center changed ownership from Legal and General to their current owner, the quality of security dropped off. I dont feel safe in the center, and if something happened, I think I'd have to take my chances waiting for the police. They'd probably arrive sooner...
Lavish banquet:
This is a very enlightening post from someone who has lived and worked amongst these security people. You have been there and got the t shirt so to speak, and not just eaten a cookie at Millies. This is typical of what I’m hearing and definitely NOT “dammed if you do – dammed if you don’t” - it is yet more evidence of poor service and inconsistency.
I spoke to a young lady yesterday who says she recently saw 4 or 5 children, roughly aged between 12 – 15 who were running about in the bus station. Along came one of the heavies and shouted “F*****G SIT DOWN AND BEHAVE YOU LITTLE S***S!” The frightened kids then quickly sat down and the security buffoon offered to shake their hands saying “thanks”....Oh dear, running about near/in the bus station is dangerous , andthis method sure worked, but a little un-professional don’t you think? I told her to report the incident. I have no reason to think this is un-true and it makes me wonder how many other un-reported cases like this there are.
[quote][p][bold]Lavishbanquet[/bold] wrote: I use golden square regularly and used to work there. I have seen the security staff be terrible: > ignore people who have swore and shouted at full volume across the old market place. >Left someone sleeping outside the Lloyds TSB on the bench for over 30 mins. >Not notice the receipt box outside the co-op bank was on fire. >Not stopped kids on motorised scooters, even though they were riding around for over ten minutes. >Tell someone trying out a lens in the doorway of Jessops they cannot do that, costing them a couple of thousand in a lost sale. >Ignored shop alarms when they have rang out of hours. And this is just for starters. When the center changed ownership from Legal and General to their current owner, the quality of security dropped off. I dont feel safe in the center, and if something happened, I think I'd have to take my chances waiting for the police. They'd probably arrive sooner...[/p][/quote]Lavish banquet: This is a very enlightening post from someone who has lived and worked amongst these security people. You have been there and got the t shirt so to speak, and not just eaten a cookie at Millies. This is typical of what I’m hearing and definitely NOT “dammed if you do – dammed if you don’t” - it is yet more evidence of poor service and inconsistency. I spoke to a young lady yesterday who says she recently saw 4 or 5 children, roughly aged between 12 – 15 who were running about in the bus station. Along came one of the heavies and shouted “F*****G SIT DOWN AND BEHAVE YOU LITTLE S***S!” The frightened kids then quickly sat down and the security buffoon offered to shake their hands saying “thanks”....Oh dear, running about near/in the bus station is dangerous , andthis method sure worked, but a little un-professional don’t you think? I told her to report the incident. I have no reason to think this is un-true and it makes me wonder how many other un-reported cases like this there are. muckerman
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8:41am Sun 24 Feb 13

Apage1 says...

muckerman wrote:
Apage1 wrote:
muckerman wrote:
Lavishbanquet wrote:
I use golden square regularly and used to work there. I have seen the security staff be terrible:
> ignore people who have swore and shouted at full volume across the old market place.
>Left someone sleeping outside the Lloyds TSB on the bench for over 30 mins.
>Not notice the receipt box outside the co-op bank was on fire.
>Not stopped kids on motorised scooters, even though they were riding around for over ten minutes.
>Tell someone trying out a lens in the doorway of Jessops they cannot do that, costing them a couple of thousand in a lost sale.
>Ignored shop alarms when they have rang out of hours.
And this is just for starters. When the center changed ownership from Legal and General to their current owner, the quality of security dropped off. I dont feel safe in the center, and if something happened, I think I'd have to take my chances waiting for the police. They'd probably arrive sooner...
This seems to be the opinion of most people you talk to about the bouncers at GS which makes me suspicious of Apage 1 comments here and the other letter...is he a spokesman for GS in disguise I wonder?

I don't know what planet Mr Andrew Mackey is on, but he's pretty harmless I suppose :)
Ha ha! somone doesn't agree with your nonsense so they must be on the payroll.

The comments on the Lavish Banquet post seem to be mostly about action that the security have NOT taken...and here you all are kicking off when they do take action. Damned if you do... damned if you don't. You teach them a lesson and stay away from now on, least the queue for Primark will be a bit shorter when it opens!
Apage 1
Only seems to be you on the side of the heavy-handed guards in all these replies, what does that tell you?

Maybe you’re not on the payroll, maybe you're a boyfriend of one of the guards, I dunno, but you’re on your own with your self opinionated babbling's

Jessops gone, HMV going, Republic going, rumours of others going....
"What does it tell me?"... Not much.
What does the language uses and nature of your post tell me about you?...loads
[quote][p][bold]muckerman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Apage1[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muckerman[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Lavishbanquet[/bold] wrote: I use golden square regularly and used to work there. I have seen the security staff be terrible: > ignore people who have swore and shouted at full volume across the old market place. >Left someone sleeping outside the Lloyds TSB on the bench for over 30 mins. >Not notice the receipt box outside the co-op bank was on fire. >Not stopped kids on motorised scooters, even though they were riding around for over ten minutes. >Tell someone trying out a lens in the doorway of Jessops they cannot do that, costing them a couple of thousand in a lost sale. >Ignored shop alarms when they have rang out of hours. And this is just for starters. When the center changed ownership from Legal and General to their current owner, the quality of security dropped off. I dont feel safe in the center, and if something happened, I think I'd have to take my chances waiting for the police. They'd probably arrive sooner...[/p][/quote]This seems to be the opinion of most people you talk to about the bouncers at GS which makes me suspicious of Apage 1 comments here and the other letter...is he a spokesman for GS in disguise I wonder? I don't know what planet Mr Andrew Mackey is on, but he's pretty harmless I suppose :)[/p][/quote]Ha ha! somone doesn't agree with your nonsense so they must be on the payroll. The comments on the Lavish Banquet post seem to be mostly about action that the security have NOT taken...and here you all are kicking off when they do take action. Damned if you do... damned if you don't. You teach them a lesson and stay away from now on, least the queue for Primark will be a bit shorter when it opens![/p][/quote]Apage 1 Only seems to be you on the side of the heavy-handed guards in all these replies, what does that tell you? Maybe you’re not on the payroll, maybe you're a boyfriend of one of the guards, I dunno, but you’re on your own with your self opinionated babbling's Jessops gone, HMV going, Republic going, rumours of others going....[/p][/quote]"What does it tell me?"... Not much. What does the language uses and nature of your post tell me about you?...loads Apage1
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8:42am Sun 24 Feb 13

Apage1 says...

*used*
*used* Apage1
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5:56pm Sun 24 Feb 13

muckerman says...

It says plenty about you Apage 1 if you’re going to pooh your pants over a kid “taking a picture in the square”
It says plenty about you Apage 1 if you’re going to pooh your pants over a kid “taking a picture in the square” muckerman
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