MP should back development

First published in Letters

WITH the announcement of the construction industry contracting 2.5 per cent in the quarter three GDP due largely to public sector cuts, I find it completely irresponsible of Warrington North Labour MP Helen Jones to oppose the Peel Hall development on the basis that the site is green belt.

Helen Jones has served a 1,000 strong signature petition against the development but the developer Satnam Millennium state that the site is not nor has it ever been green belt.

In this context Mrs Jones has misled the signaturies of her petition which is irresponsible opposition to much needed construction jobs and no doubt the creation of construction apprenticeships.

It would be a much needed economic boost to the town’s economy.

What message is Mrs Jones sending out to the private sector and potential investors, that Warrington is not open for business?

TONY FOX

Stockton Heath

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10:32pm Wed 31 Oct 12

MrWhite says...

Well said!
Well said! MrWhite
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8:17am Thu 1 Nov 12

nextdoor says...

So you know for certain that the construction contract is going to be given to a Warrington based firm?
Hasn't there recently been a new build scheme opposed in Stockton Heath?
So you know for certain that the construction contract is going to be given to a Warrington based firm? Hasn't there recently been a new build scheme opposed in Stockton Heath? nextdoor
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2:48pm Thu 1 Nov 12

gazhopley says...

Tony, Tony, Tony wow what can i say... You haven't really got a clue what's going on do you? Have you been to the proposed site? seen the access? Have you spoke to the residents of mill lane who already have severe drainage problems. or perhaps you know for sure that warrington will financially benefit from a construction company based in Gloucester who's P.R comes from manchester. Helen Jones isn't even your M.P. The fact is the land isn't suitable to be built on, Mill lane itself cannot handle construction traffic and cannot be altered. Out of 150 first phase properties proposed only around 40 will be affordable, leaving 110 unaffordable or at least high band, due to the distance from public transport would expect these properties to be akin to those in Winwick Park ie. 2 car families leading to an expected increase of 200-250 vehicles all using the same access point (mill lane). Now take into account that the whole area has no natural drainage and throw in the concrete foundations for the 150 houses, plus the fact that everyone has overlooked, just the other side of the motorway is a 5 acre hole caused by mining subsidence knowing this I wouldn't want that much weight that near to a motorway. Helen Jones M.P is doing her job and she is doing it well, but don't worry if you are that keen I will pass your comments to satnam and they can build in stockton heath
Tony, Tony, Tony wow what can i say... You haven't really got a clue what's going on do you? Have you been to the proposed site? seen the access? Have you spoke to the residents of mill lane who already have severe drainage problems. or perhaps you know for sure that warrington will financially benefit from a construction company based in Gloucester who's P.R comes from manchester. Helen Jones isn't even your M.P. The fact is the land isn't suitable to be built on, Mill lane itself cannot handle construction traffic and cannot be altered. Out of 150 first phase properties proposed only around 40 will be affordable, leaving 110 unaffordable or at least high band, due to the distance from public transport would expect these properties to be akin to those in Winwick Park ie. 2 car families leading to an expected increase of 200-250 vehicles all using the same access point (mill lane). Now take into account that the whole area has no natural drainage and throw in the concrete foundations for the 150 houses, plus the fact that everyone has overlooked, just the other side of the motorway is a 5 acre hole caused by mining subsidence knowing this I wouldn't want that much weight that near to a motorway. Helen Jones M.P is doing her job and she is doing it well, but don't worry if you are that keen I will pass your comments to satnam and they can build in stockton heath gazhopley
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2:49pm Thu 1 Nov 12

gazhopley says...

Tony, Tony, Tony wow what can i say... You haven't really got a clue what's going on do you? Have you been to the proposed site? seen the access? Have you spoke to the residents of mill lane who already have severe drainage problems. or perhaps you know for sure that warrington will financially benefit from a construction company based in Gloucester who's P.R comes from manchester. Helen Jones isn't even your M.P. The fact is the land isn't suitable to be built on, Mill lane itself cannot handle construction traffic and cannot be altered. Out of 150 first phase properties proposed only around 40 will be affordable, leaving 110 unaffordable or at least high band, due to the distance from public transport would expect these properties to be akin to those in Winwick Park ie. 2 car families leading to an expected increase of 200-250 vehicles all using the same access point (mill lane). Now take into account that the whole area has no natural drainage and throw in the concrete foundations for the 150 houses, plus the fact that everyone has overlooked, just the other side of the motorway is a 5 acre hole caused by mining subsidence knowing this I wouldn't want that much weight that near to a motorway. Helen Jones M.P is doing her job and she is doing it well, but don't worry if you are that keen I will pass your comments to satnam and they can build in stockton heath
Tony, Tony, Tony wow what can i say... You haven't really got a clue what's going on do you? Have you been to the proposed site? seen the access? Have you spoke to the residents of mill lane who already have severe drainage problems. or perhaps you know for sure that warrington will financially benefit from a construction company based in Gloucester who's P.R comes from manchester. Helen Jones isn't even your M.P. The fact is the land isn't suitable to be built on, Mill lane itself cannot handle construction traffic and cannot be altered. Out of 150 first phase properties proposed only around 40 will be affordable, leaving 110 unaffordable or at least high band, due to the distance from public transport would expect these properties to be akin to those in Winwick Park ie. 2 car families leading to an expected increase of 200-250 vehicles all using the same access point (mill lane). Now take into account that the whole area has no natural drainage and throw in the concrete foundations for the 150 houses, plus the fact that everyone has overlooked, just the other side of the motorway is a 5 acre hole caused by mining subsidence knowing this I wouldn't want that much weight that near to a motorway. Helen Jones M.P is doing her job and she is doing it well, but don't worry if you are that keen I will pass your comments to satnam and they can build in stockton heath gazhopley
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2:49pm Thu 1 Nov 12

gazhopley says...

Tony, Tony, Tony wow what can i say... You haven't really got a clue what's going on do you? Have you been to the proposed site? seen the access? Have you spoke to the residents of mill lane who already have severe drainage problems. or perhaps you know for sure that warrington will financially benefit from a construction company based in Gloucester who's P.R comes from manchester. Helen Jones isn't even your M.P. The fact is the land isn't suitable to be built on, Mill lane itself cannot handle construction traffic and cannot be altered. Out of 150 first phase properties proposed only around 40 will be affordable, leaving 110 unaffordable or at least high band, due to the distance from public transport would expect these properties to be akin to those in Winwick Park ie. 2 car families leading to an expected increase of 200-250 vehicles all using the same access point (mill lane). Now take into account that the whole area has no natural drainage and throw in the concrete foundations for the 150 houses, plus the fact that everyone has overlooked, just the other side of the motorway is a 5 acre hole caused by mining subsidence knowing this I wouldn't want that much weight that near to a motorway. Helen Jones M.P is doing her job and she is doing it well, but don't worry if you are that keen I will pass your comments to satnam and they can build in stockton heath
Tony, Tony, Tony wow what can i say... You haven't really got a clue what's going on do you? Have you been to the proposed site? seen the access? Have you spoke to the residents of mill lane who already have severe drainage problems. or perhaps you know for sure that warrington will financially benefit from a construction company based in Gloucester who's P.R comes from manchester. Helen Jones isn't even your M.P. The fact is the land isn't suitable to be built on, Mill lane itself cannot handle construction traffic and cannot be altered. Out of 150 first phase properties proposed only around 40 will be affordable, leaving 110 unaffordable or at least high band, due to the distance from public transport would expect these properties to be akin to those in Winwick Park ie. 2 car families leading to an expected increase of 200-250 vehicles all using the same access point (mill lane). Now take into account that the whole area has no natural drainage and throw in the concrete foundations for the 150 houses, plus the fact that everyone has overlooked, just the other side of the motorway is a 5 acre hole caused by mining subsidence knowing this I wouldn't want that much weight that near to a motorway. Helen Jones M.P is doing her job and she is doing it well, but don't worry if you are that keen I will pass your comments to satnam and they can build in stockton heath gazhopley
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3:27pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Nick Tessla says...

Mr Fox appears to have swallowed the red herring :-) - the solution to the construction industry's problems isn't to give planning permission willy-nilly, regardless of suitability or local objections. Developers are sitting on a large bank of land that already has planning permission but they are not building on.
Mr Fox appears to have swallowed the red herring :-) - the solution to the construction industry's problems isn't to give planning permission willy-nilly, regardless of suitability or local objections. Developers are sitting on a large bank of land that already has planning permission but they are not building on. Nick Tessla
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5:55pm Tue 6 Nov 12

old-codger says...

Nick Tessla says...
3:27pm Thu 1 Nov 12

Mr Fox appears to have swallowed the red herring :-) - the solution to the construction industry's problems isn't to give planning permission willy-nilly, regardless of suitability or local objections. Developers are sitting on a large bank of land that already has planning permission but they are not building on.”

...You took the words out of my mouth, Well said.
Nick Tessla says... 3:27pm Thu 1 Nov 12 Mr Fox appears to have swallowed the red herring :-) - the solution to the construction industry's problems isn't to give planning permission willy-nilly, regardless of suitability or local objections. Developers are sitting on a large bank of land that already has planning permission but they are not building on.” ...You took the words out of my mouth, Well said. old-codger
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11:06pm Sat 10 Nov 12

comwgn says...

mr fox should keep his nose out of this matter that has nothing to do with him or with construction.
It is a scam by a crooked developer desperate to recoup some of the money he gambled years ago by buying the land.
nobody wants this development so good for you Mrs Jones.
mr fox should keep his nose out of this matter that has nothing to do with him or with construction. It is a scam by a crooked developer desperate to recoup some of the money he gambled years ago by buying the land. nobody wants this development so good for you Mrs Jones. comwgn
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9:54am Wed 21 Nov 12

thepeoplesvoice says...

Nextdoor you are so naive in your question to ask me if I know for certain that the construction contract is going to be given to a Warrington based firm.

And you too gazhopleyor when you put to me that I know for sure that warrington will financially benefit from a construction company based in Gloucester who's P.R comes from manchester.

To put it into context Warrington Borough Council give lots of contracts to Galliford Try.For example Orford Jubilee Park & The new health centre on the site of the old baths in town replacing Garvin Place.Whilst Galliford Try have a division called Galliford Try Building North with an office in Fearnhead,they are in fact a multi-national company with offices across the UK.They also have a company called Linden Homes who have developments in Altrincham & Timperley,WA15 postcode,meaning on our doorstep. Galliford Try's Scottish business, Morrison Construction is a major house builder whom have a division called Morrison Construction Civil Engineer with an office in,yes you've guessed it Fearnhead.

If you want to talk local and protectionism then why doesn't Warrington Borough Council give all their contracts to Cruden Construction,they are a Warrington based construction company but they do have an office in Manchester.After all Cruden Construction built the new build for Stockton Heath primary school.

gazhopley,to say that you will pass my comments to satnam and they can build in stockton heath,let me inform you of the developments currently happening in South Warrington:

Stockton Pointe by Jones Homes whom are part of the Emmerson Group;Walton Locks by David Wilson Homes whom are part of Barratts;The Heath by Bellway Homes;Edgewater Park development in Thelwall by Morris Homes Ltd,another multi-national house builder.

These were all approved by Warrington Borough Council,whom incidentally approved planning on Cartwrights Field in Stockton Heath which is a protected meadow.I understand that planning permission is being sought from developers to build 65 homes on the Bridge Lane Rugby field in Appleton and I also understand that cllr McCarthy as Chair of the development control committee had the casting vote in favour of planning approval for a development of homes on Chelford Close in Stockton Heath.

So plenty of construction going on here by multi-national building companies why should the Peel development be any different.The developments create jobs to help people work to pay taxes that go towards the NHS,schools,etc,etc.


Without such jobs people are unemployed and as such they have to claim unemployment benefit which in turn means the NHS,schools etc,are less resourced as the government has less money to spend,irrespective of whose in power,basic economic facts and all I was doing by commenting on Helen Jones's action's as Warrington's North MP that in my opinion,since the Labour party lost power,she is doing what the Labour Party do best and that is to be an opposition party and to do what they have always done in opposition and that is to allay herself to every issue that in her eyes, can cause concern,worry and trouble to both her constituents and the government in the hope that she can portray everything the government does as to be detrimental to the people that she represents in Warrington.

If the Labour party admitted their mistakes of creating the biggest economic bust the country has ever experienced and allowed the government to try to put it right,perhaps we wouldn't be having this debate?
Nextdoor you are so naive in your question to ask me if I know for certain that the construction contract is going to be given to a Warrington based firm. And you too gazhopleyor when you put to me that I know for sure that warrington will financially benefit from a construction company based in Gloucester who's P.R comes from manchester. To put it into context Warrington Borough Council give lots of contracts to Galliford Try.For example Orford Jubilee Park & The new health centre on the site of the old baths in town replacing Garvin Place.Whilst Galliford Try have a division called Galliford Try Building North with an office in Fearnhead,they are in fact a multi-national company with offices across the UK.They also have a company called Linden Homes who have developments in Altrincham & Timperley,WA15 postcode,meaning on our doorstep. Galliford Try's Scottish business, Morrison Construction is a major house builder whom have a division called Morrison Construction Civil Engineer with an office in,yes you've guessed it Fearnhead. If you want to talk local and protectionism then why doesn't Warrington Borough Council give all their contracts to Cruden Construction,they are a Warrington based construction company but they do have an office in Manchester.After all Cruden Construction built the new build for Stockton Heath primary school. gazhopley,to say that you will pass my comments to satnam and they can build in stockton heath,let me inform you of the developments currently happening in South Warrington: Stockton Pointe by Jones Homes whom are part of the Emmerson Group;Walton Locks by David Wilson Homes whom are part of Barratts;The Heath by Bellway Homes;Edgewater Park development in Thelwall by Morris Homes Ltd,another multi-national house builder. These were all approved by Warrington Borough Council,whom incidentally approved planning on Cartwrights Field in Stockton Heath which is a protected meadow.I understand that planning permission is being sought from developers to build 65 homes on the Bridge Lane Rugby field in Appleton and I also understand that cllr McCarthy [Lab,Woolston] as Chair of the development control committee had the casting vote in favour of planning approval for a development of homes on Chelford Close in Stockton Heath. So plenty of construction going on here by multi-national building companies why should the Peel development be any different.The developments create jobs to help people work to pay taxes that go towards the NHS,schools,etc,etc. Without such jobs people are unemployed and as such they have to claim unemployment benefit which in turn means the NHS,schools etc,are less resourced as the government has less money to spend,irrespective of whose in power,basic economic facts and all I was doing by commenting on Helen Jones's action's as Warrington's North MP that in my opinion,since the Labour party lost power,she is doing what the Labour Party do best and that is to be an opposition party and to do what they have always done in opposition and that is to allay herself to every issue that in her eyes, can cause concern,worry and trouble to both her constituents and the government in the hope that she can portray everything the government does as to be detrimental to the people that she represents in Warrington. If the Labour party admitted their mistakes of creating the biggest economic bust the country has ever experienced and allowed the government to try to put it right,perhaps we wouldn't be having this debate? thepeoplesvoice
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12:31pm Wed 21 Nov 12

gazhopley says...

if your "thepeoplesvoice" we all should sue you for misrepresentation ha ha
I have left comments on other pages about this am not going to repeat my self
if your "thepeoplesvoice" we all should sue you for misrepresentation ha ha I have left comments on other pages about this am not going to repeat my self gazhopley
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5:05pm Wed 21 Nov 12

Tidalracer says...

Since when did this debate become Political? It sounds like someone is trying to fudge the issue. It doesn’t matter if your red, blue or indifferent. The issue is about conservation and open space for future generations. There is a similar battle with Cheshire East Council. Who is supporting the campaign?
Conservative MP for Congleton and ex-Warrington councillor Fiona Bruce, that’s who. She said: "It's important we have development but it needs to be in the right place and locally led in accordance with residents' wishes. "It also needs to be in the right place not on green field sites when there are brown field sites to be built on.
Let’s keep Political allegiances out of this, if you want to have a go at the last Government, feel free to do so. However this campaign is not the place.
By the way, is that the people’s voice or the Sunday Peoples voice?
Since when did this debate become Political? It sounds like someone is trying to fudge the issue. It doesn’t matter if your red, blue or indifferent. The issue is about conservation and open space for future generations. There is a similar battle with Cheshire East Council. Who is supporting the campaign? Conservative MP for Congleton and ex-Warrington councillor Fiona Bruce, that’s who. She said: "It's important we have development but it needs to be in the right place and locally led in accordance with residents' wishes. "It also needs to be in the right place not on green field sites when there are brown field sites to be built on. Let’s keep Political allegiances out of this, if you want to have a go at the last Government, feel free to do so. However this campaign is not the place. By the way, is that the people’s voice or the Sunday Peoples voice? Tidalracer
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5:32pm Wed 21 Nov 12

gazhopley says...

ha ha nice one tidalracer, too many people are focusing on "who is doing what?" rather than "what is being done?" I find people start becoming "political" when they have no real argument, and all of a sudden it's like being stuck in the middle of a playground argument about "Your party is worse than my party" and all that crap, and that's what stops good things from happening, It doesn't matter who you vote for, or not vote for, it's all just politics, except I don't have a party, my mind isn't swayed because I am told I have to think a certain way depending on the policies of a particular political party. I look at the facts, I understand the facts, then I make my own mind up, isn't that what free will and democracy is all about. and the facts that I have looked at and my understanding in THIS matter is, that these units should not be built. It doesn't matter to me who else is for or against it. I couldn't care less that this is a labour ward, if this was a tory ward I would still feel the same way.
ha ha nice one tidalracer, too many people are focusing on "who is doing what?" rather than "what is being done?" I find people start becoming "political" when they have no real argument, and all of a sudden it's like being stuck in the middle of a playground argument about "Your party is worse than my party" and all that crap, and that's what stops good things from happening, It doesn't matter who you vote for, or not vote for, it's all just politics, except I don't have a party, my mind isn't swayed because I am told I have to think a certain way depending on the policies of a particular political party. I look at the facts, I understand the facts, then I make my own mind up, isn't that what free will and democracy is all about. and the facts that I have looked at and my understanding in THIS matter is, that these units should not be built. It doesn't matter to me who else is for or against it. I couldn't care less that this is a labour ward, if this was a tory ward I would still feel the same way. gazhopley
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