VOTE: Town's MPs back gay marriage plans (From Warrington Guardian)

ninearches wrote:
I am not religious & i am not homophobic & i believe in the civil partnership for gay couples, but how can a full marriage be allowed when it contradicts the biblical meaning of the word...a union between a man & a woman.

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
In my opinion, Civil Partnerships are the limit for same gender unions where the love for each other is fully and completely acknowledged. Why do people want to destroy the definition and more pertinently the sanctity of marriage, when there is absolutely no need to do so?

cookie1974 wrote:
People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all!

If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple.

It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story!

People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book.

Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed!

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

cookie1974 wrote: People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all! If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple. It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story! People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book. Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed!

This might come as a surprise to you but religion and Biblical principles have been historically connected for centuries through Government and Sovereignty, and it will take a lot of manoeuvring to make any significant changes as you would so wish. It may also surprise you that most of our laws are based on Biblical principles whether you like it, or believe it or not.

warringtonontour wrote:
So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"

warringtonontour wrote:
So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"

cookie1974 wrote:

warringtonontour wrote:
So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"

Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??

warringtonontour wrote:

cookie1974 wrote:

warringtonontour wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"

Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??

no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children

warringtonontour wrote:

cookie1974 wrote:

warringtonontour wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"

Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??

no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children

chunkymunky wrote:
ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!!

The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?!

You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour....

so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!!

The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!!

Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!!

warringtonontour wrote:

cookie1974 wrote:

warringtonontour wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"

Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??

no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children

chunkymunky wrote:

warringtonontour wrote:

cookie1974 wrote:

warringtonontour wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"

Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??

no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children

and again....another generation is born and filled with hate and a belief they are better than other memebrs of society......and so it all starts again!!

well done warringtonontour well done!!!

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

chunkymunky wrote: ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!! The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?! You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour.... so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!! The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!! Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!!

A prime example as you provide some more of the same old unreasonable arguments, additionally what a load of bigoted and homophile propaganda you broadcast. Be honest exactly how are you going to have a full marriage. How in reality are you going procreate or attempt to procreate children then, within, in my opinion what can only be described as a so-called marriage? I also support the right of free speech and I love a good discussion.

cookie1974 wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

cookie1974 wrote: People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all! If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple. It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story! People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book. Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed!

This might come as a surprise to you but religion and Biblical principles have been historically connected for centuries through Government and Sovereignty, and it will take a lot of manoeuvring to make any significant changes as you would so wish. It may also surprise you that most of our laws are based on Biblical principles whether you like it, or believe it or not.

So basically you cat answer my question then!!

Your response may be the case BUT religion is not the law maker in this land and it has no place in society in doing so. Again as i said in my original comment PROVE that the Bible is real! Can you?........dont think so, its a story and thats it, should we all start believing in neverland and praying to peter pan to help us? Religion needs to get over itself, its outdated and AGAIN has no place in making laws and shouldnt be allowed to influence laws.

warringtonontour wrote:

chunkymunky wrote:

warringtonontour wrote:

cookie1974 wrote:

warringtonontour wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"

Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??

no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children

and again....another generation is born and filled with hate and a belief they are better than other memebrs of society......and so it all starts again!! well done warringtonontour well done!!!

We / I dont hate any body nor am i homophobic i am just a human where it is not natural to have intercourse with the same sex? Sorry I offend you chunkymunky but that is my opinion. And speaking of religion..Do you, cookie1974 or you chunckymunky celebrate Christmas? I would be interested to know

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

chunkymunky wrote:
ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!!

The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?!

You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour....


so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!!

The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!!

Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!!

A prime example as you provide some more of the same old unreasonable arguments, additionally what a load of bigoted and homophile propaganda you broadcast.

Be honest exactly how are you going to have a full marriage. How in reality are you going procreate or attempt to procreate children then, within, in my opinion what can only be described as a so-called marriage?

I also support the right of free speech and I love a good discussion.

warringtonontour wrote:
On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".

warringtonontour wrote:
On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".

warringtonontour wrote:
On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".

warringtonontour wrote:

warringtonontour wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".

or is it because our free speech is not imortant because that isnt what gays want to hear? Are there any gays out there opposed to this?

Nick Tessla wrote:

warringtonontour wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".

Do you mean bigot and Neanderthal? Hardly fair to call you a Neanderthal - recent research shows that they have had a very bad press. :-) A straight opinion does count - and as straight married man my opinion is I'm in favour of same-sex marriage being allowed. Love and Peace

warringtonontour wrote:
On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".

cookie1974 wrote:

warringtonontour wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".

You say we are not listening to your views but the same goes for you! THATS why we are all different, GAY, STRAIGHT, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENDER, its what makes the world go round NOT religion or religious views! No one should not have death threats made against them because they have different views, they should however be able to take criticism just as much as they give!

cookie1974 wrote:

cookie1974 wrote:

warringtonontour wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".

You say we are not listening to your views but the same goes for you! THATS why we are all different, GAY, STRAIGHT, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENDER, its what makes the world go round NOT religion or religious views! No one should not have death threats made against them because they have different views, they should however be able to take criticism just as much as they give!

that should read no one should have death threats!!!!

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla says...
1:17pm Wed 6 Feb 13

"So by that token - those who do not wish to have children , and those who through medical reasons cannot conceive - should they be forbidden from marrying - or forced to have their marriage annulled if the medical problem is discovered after the wedding (or if, for example the man has a vasectomy)

They were not my words but yours. I don't fully agree with your above comment either, however by not annulling a marriage is grounds for a divorce as are other reasons and decisions that the couple make.

"What of people marrying when the woman is past child-bearing age."

An interesting point, but there is no condemnation on this situation.



"There was no real chance of Prince Charles and Camilla producing any little princes or princsses when they get married. Should they have been forbidden to get married?"

I have observed that they were forbidden to get married in a Church ceremony.

mrwolf wrote:
Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 

chunkymunky wrote:

mrwolf wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 

Sadly those with strong religious belief of suffer from 'social ignorance' too! they genuinely believe they are better than the rest of the population! Especially anyone they decide isn’t ‘normal’! But even sadder is the fact the majority of them at pick n mix Catholics, only sticking to the bits they like! If I hear one more blinkered fool quote Leviticus’ ‘man shall not lie with man as he lays with woman’ one more time I shall bite off my own ears! Not because of what they say…..but because they forget to look at the 3000 other words around that line about many things they often ignore themselves!! Sadly they seem to forget ‘he who has not sinned cast the first stone’!

warringtonontour wrote:
You cant argue with the gay's because they feel they have the right to be or do the same as straight people. ie have children, marriage, they want to stand up and say "look at me, I'm gay and proud (to be different)" so today, i am saying "look at me, I am straight and married, make a fuss of me and pay me loads of attention" The end

warringtonontour wrote:
Mr Wolf. I am against gay marriage.

warringtonontour wrote:
You cant argue with the gay's because they feel they have the right to be or do the same as straight people. ie have children, marriage, they want to stand up and say "look at me, I'm gay and proud (to be different)" so today, i am saying "look at me, I am straight and married, make a fuss of me and pay me loads of attention" The end

warringtonontour wrote:
I just dont think its moraly right. Marriage, by definition is a is between a man and a woman. A civil partnership is sufficiant, in my opinion for a homosexual couple. And I know everyone thinks i am a catholic spreading the word of God, but I am not. I didnt get married in a church and my children are not baptized. I am C of E and dont go to church but i believe in God and God's word. I have no proof of the existance but that is another debate. You think that gay marriage will not effect you but as I said in an earlier post....What next?? Mrriage betweeen siblings, Marriage to pets etc etc. If gay marriage can be legalised, what next? This will effect you, be under no illusion mrwolf. The rise of the minorty is upon us! Why are you "for" gay "marriage"?

cookie1974 wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

cookie1974 wrote: People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all! If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple. It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story! People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book. Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed!

This might come as a surprise to you but religion and Biblical principles have been historically connected for centuries through Government and Sovereignty, and it will take a lot of manoeuvring to make any significant changes as you would so wish. It may also surprise you that most of our laws are based on Biblical principles whether you like it, or believe it or not.

So basically you cat answer my question then!!

Your response may be the case BUT religion is not the law maker in this land and it has no place in society in doing so. Again as i said in my original comment PROVE that the Bible is real! Can you?........dont think so, its a story and thats it, should we all start believing in neverland and praying to peter pan to help us? Religion needs to get over itself, its outdated and AGAIN has no place in making laws and shouldnt be allowed to influence laws.

warringtonontour wrote:
You cant argue with the gay's because they feel they have the right to be or do the same as straight people. ie have children, marriage, they want to stand up and say "look at me, I'm gay and proud (to be different)" so today, i am saying "look at me, I am straight and married, make a fuss of me and pay me loads of attention"

The end

cookie1974 wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

chunkymunky wrote: ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!! The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?! You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour.... so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!! The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!! Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!!

A prime example as you provide some more of the same old unreasonable arguments, additionally what a load of bigoted and homophile propaganda you broadcast. Be honest exactly how are you going to have a full marriage. How in reality are you going procreate or attempt to procreate children then, within, in my opinion what can only be described as a so-called marriage? I also support the right of free speech and I love a good discussion.

Banging on again with religious views, THEY ARE VIEWS and thats it, they are not LAW. Get over yourself and get onboard the year 2013 boat! or is it too GAY for you.

moleogod wrote:
but if gays get married blood will fall from the sky brothers and sisters will be be forced to fall in love with each other. Dogs will start mating with dolphins to create intelligent land walking dolphins will the intention of destroying all mankind ARRRGGGG ARRRGGGHHH. religion/GOD does not have a monopoly on marriage. people were getting married in one way or another long before man invented GOD. love has nothing to do with religion. my best mate is gay and i would be happy to be a best man if he asked at his marriage if they get married. its just stupidity and ignorance and a massive lack of educations that's why people are opposed to gay marriage

cookie1974 wrote:
People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all!

If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple.

It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story!

People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book.

Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed!

old-codger wrote:
The church teaches us tolerance,
But it wont tolerate gay,s,
The church teaches us tolerance, But wont tolerate women bishops,
I,m not against gay marriage,
Christmas day is not a birthday but the day that we celebrate the birth of christ,


The law permits gay reationships,
The law permits women ministers,
The law by by definition is only common sense,
Having said that you
would think that given the state of the country this government would have more important matters to deal with like children going to school with no food in their bellies whilst giving over £1 a week in child benefit for children that dont live in this country and
£8 billion per year
away to other country,s whilst robbing the poor and needy, The disabled and the elderly pensioners who have worked all their lives.

Paris wrote:

old-codger wrote:
The church teaches us tolerance,
But it wont tolerate gay,s,
The church teaches us tolerance, But wont tolerate women bishops,
I,m not against gay marriage,
Christmas day is not a birthday but the day that we celebrate the birth of christ,


The law permits gay reationships,
The law permits women ministers,
The law by by definition is only common sense,
Having said that you
would think that given the state of the country this government would have more important matters to deal with like children going to school with no food in their bellies whilst giving over £1 a week in child benefit for children that dont live in this country and
£8 billion per year
away to other country,s whilst robbing the poor and needy, The disabled and the elderly pensioners who have worked all their lives.

Totally agree there are far more pressing issues to tackle first.......

D-Unit wrote:
Glad the town's two MP's voted for equal marriage and has been some great responses here. Thanks chunkymunky, Mr Wolf, Nick and others, this is another step towards a more tolerant society! From the poll on here so far 45% were for yes and 7% for not sure shows most think there are better things to worry about or not bothered.

chunkymunky wrote:

D-Unit wrote: Glad the town's two MP's voted for equal marriage and has been some great responses here. Thanks chunkymunky, Mr Wolf, Nick and others, this is another step towards a more tolerant society! From the poll on here so far 45% were for yes and 7% for not sure shows most think there are better things to worry about or not bothered.

That's because most people aren't really bothered! It's the right wing old school and religious lot who caused a whole tizz about it!

chunkymunky wrote:

D-Unit wrote:
Glad the town's two MP's voted for equal marriage and has been some great responses here. Thanks chunkymunky, Mr Wolf, Nick and others, this is another step towards a more tolerant society! From the poll on here so far 45% were for yes and 7% for not sure shows most think there are better things to worry about or not bothered.

That's because most people aren't really bothered! It's the right wing old school and religious lot who caused a whole tizz about it!

mrwolf wrote:
Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 

gerrumonside wrote:

mrwolf wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 

your quote: "what impact this will have on your life???? " Ahhh we cant take that type of view can we?? murderers rapists and drug addicts being let out of jail early have no impact on my life either...... who am I to say lock them up and throw away the key..... the peel hall development wether it goes ahead or not will have no effect on my life.....so cant i voice my opinion on it whether its right or wrong.... I have no problem with civil partnerships or gay marriages but i do hope we dont start making a mockery of the Church....... I'm not remotely religous but I do find it uplifting the fact that people have absolute faith in their religion. It sometimes makes me feel like i'm missing out on something special.. Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs. I just hope this isnt the death knell of the Christian church it gives many decent people some great comfort

old-codger wrote:
chunkymunky says... 7:36pm Wed 6 Feb 13...... There are always more 'pressing issues' than equality right??! That's why for years it was out on a back burner! Just a shame on other important issues the chamber is half empty!”... You have hit the nail on the head Chunky, I cant help but wonder why Cameron went to such lengths to fill the chamber on this issue,and not on others, I,m not against gay marriage and for the record I attended one 30 years ago in Holland, Good luck to them.

jitterbug wrote:
If you believe in God then you should be granted the same rights regardless off your sexuality.

I personally think the Bible is an old wives tale filled with fictional characters yet some plebs think this tosh has the right to dictate peoples lives

WOW!

God botherers need not try and hurl abuse at me. I respect you for having faith so respect me for having non

mrwolf wrote:

gerrumonside wrote:

mrwolf wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 

your quote: "what impact this will have on your life???? " Ahhh we cant take that type of view can we?? murderers rapists and drug addicts being let out of jail early have no impact on my life either...... who am I to say lock them up and throw away the key..... the peel hall development wether it goes ahead or not will have no effect on my life.....so cant i voice my opinion on it whether its right or wrong.... I have no problem with civil partnerships or gay marriages but i do hope we dont start making a mockery of the Church....... I'm not remotely religous but I do find it uplifting the fact that people have absolute faith in their religion. It sometimes makes me feel like i'm missing out on something special.. Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs. I just hope this isnt the death knell of the Christian church it gives many decent people some great comfort

yet another homophobe i see comparing a homosexual to murderer or rapist???? How and why would that be brought into the equation? As for your “Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs” comment you’ve just totally contradicted yourself as you obviously are not taking into account the beliefs of those for same sex marriage. What are people so afraid of? I have a few gay friends and can honestly say it has opened my eyes at just how prejudice modern society can be.

gerrumonside wrote:

mrwolf wrote:

gerrumonside wrote:

mrwolf wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 

your quote: "what impact this will have on your life???? " Ahhh we cant take that type of view can we?? murderers rapists and drug addicts being let out of jail early have no impact on my life either...... who am I to say lock them up and throw away the key..... the peel hall development wether it goes ahead or not will have no effect on my life.....so cant i voice my opinion on it whether its right or wrong.... I have no problem with civil partnerships or gay marriages but i do hope we dont start making a mockery of the Church....... I'm not remotely religous but I do find it uplifting the fact that people have absolute faith in their religion. It sometimes makes me feel like i'm missing out on something special.. Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs. I just hope this isnt the death knell of the Christian church it gives many decent people some great comfort

yet another homophobe i see comparing a homosexual to murderer or rapist???? How and why would that be brought into the equation? As for your “Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs” comment you’ve just totally contradicted yourself as you obviously are not taking into account the beliefs of those for same sex marriage. What are people so afraid of? I have a few gay friends and can honestly say it has opened my eyes at just how prejudice modern society can be.

what a horrible thing to accuse someone of .......not once in my statement did I compare a homosexual with a murderer or rapist.... if you read my piece propoerly I was simply showing you other perfectly acceptable examples of things that dont affect people but they still have the right to comment on. why did you not then go on to call me a disgrace for comparing a homosexual to a proposed three bedroom semi detached house on the peel hall site....???? I'll tell you why because it didnt fit in with your ridiculous stance on people having a point of view.... did you ignore my original point of view which was I have NO objection to civil partnerships or gay Marriages.... did you read that bit or where so clouded by some kind of anger to "christians" that you now chose to call me a homophobe......?? unbeleivable ........ If I was a homosexual or Christian I'm not sure i'd want your perverse blinkered views fighting for my corner thank you..... I too have a number of gay friends/colleagues one gets more stick for being scouse than gay......its how we are ....mature grown ups living our lives in harmony but still poking fun without fear of being labelled a homophobe... you should try it before preaching.......

bellyblue wrote:
If religion is not the Law....why do we swear on The Bible when in a Court of Law??? Anyway does it matter who gets married in church?? Most people only go Churh for wedding funerals and christenings, the reason certainly isn't a Religious one.

chunkymunky wrote:

bellyblue wrote:
If religion is not the Law....why do we swear on The Bible when in a Court of Law??? Anyway does it matter who gets married in church?? Most people only go Churh for wedding funerals and christenings, the reason certainly isn't a Religious one.

ive never swore on the bible in court, there are alternatives!!!

warringtonontour wrote:
Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b

ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!!

You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage".

A civil partnership is sufficiant!!

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

warringtonontour wrote:
Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b


ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!!

You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage".

A civil partnership is sufficiant!!

Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?

Nick Tessla wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

warringtonontour wrote:
Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b



ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!!

You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage".

A civil partnership is sufficiant!!

Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?

It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important..


So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity"


As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

Nick Tessla wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

warringtonontour wrote:
Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b




ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!!

You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage".

A civil partnership is sufficiant!!

Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?

It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important..


So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity"


As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.

In my view, calling a Civil Partnership a Marriage will not make same-gender couples equal. The Civl Partnership ticks all the equality and diversity boxes, therefore still the best option for same-gender couples

Nick Tessla wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

Nick Tessla wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

warringtonontour wrote: Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!! You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage". A civil partnership is sufficiant!!

Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?

It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important.. So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity" As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.

In my view, calling a Civil Partnership a Marriage will not make same-gender couples equal. The Civl Partnership ticks all the equality and diversity boxes, therefore still the best option for same-gender couples

So you actually do regard a gay couple's relationship as inferior. Well, at least your honest.

Nick Tessla wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

Nick Tessla wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

warringtonontour wrote:
Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b





ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!!

You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage".

A civil partnership is sufficiant!!

Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?

It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important..


So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity"


As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.

In my view, calling a Civil Partnership a Marriage will not make same-gender couples equal. The Civl Partnership ticks all the equality and diversity boxes, therefore still the best option for same-gender couples

So you actually do regard a gay couple's relationship as inferior.


Well, at least your honest.

stupot0041 wrote:
When I got married (heterosexually) in a Warrington borough church the vicar was gay. (Absolutely true). Does my marriage count?! Some of you sad people should get your own lives in order before you judge others, or maybe you're jealous that some people are happier than yourselves.

Nick Tessla wrote:
When they brought in Civil Marriages for heterosexual couples many in the Church of England seemed to think that such an evil act would bring about the destruction of society and that such ceremonies had no validity.


I am not sure if those in the church these days would regard even non- gay marriage as inferior if not conducted in a religious ceremony.

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

Nick Tessla wrote: When they brought in Civil Marriages for heterosexual couples many in the Church of England seemed to think that such an evil act would bring about the destruction of society and that such ceremonies had no validity. I am not sure if those in the church these days would regard even non- gay marriage as inferior if not conducted in a religious ceremony.

It is my understanding that the legislation and processes are similar for both Civil Partnerships and Civil Marriages, it merely takes in to account the gender relationship of the couple involved. Therefore not a problem, they are neither inferior nor superior. There are no apparent additional benefits for a same-gender couple. Additionally as for telling members of ones family about your Civil Partnership, then tell them the truth, be positive, extol its virtues and its values, why not instead express to them your passion and your love and devotion for each other?

chunkymunky wrote:
Totally agree nick! Why should my marriage be set apart from traditional marriage?!? why do i have to tell my nieces and nephews uncle munky is in a civil partnership, and when they ask is it like mummy and daddies and we say "well its as good as.....apparently!" how do you think that makes people feel? Language is a very powerful tool, already (on question time i noticed too) the term 'gay marriage' is being used a lot, its not gay marriage its marriage! by using the term 'gay marriage' already people are trying to separate it away from 'marriage' again in an attempt for it to be 'highlighted' as something different...which it wont be soon! I totally agree that many of our laws are still based on Christian values and what was written in the bible but please lets remember we have also seen sense and adapted our laws for other areas, as already pointed out such as rape of your wife, beating your children, executing anyone who has an affair....its just another natural progression! Warringtonontour – I appreciate you feel that the ‘gay’ gang up but please take a step back and look at it from another perspective, the current situation is inequitable, no matter what slant you put on it. We have two different systems of legal partnership for two different types of people. Legally and under the human rights act we can not, by law, discriminate against anything that is legal, homosexuality is legal and have been for a long time now, therefore the currently law, under the HRA is illegal, this is why the government has moved quickly to address this. I appreciate you feel that a civil partnership is ‘sufficient’, however this doesn’t affect you, your not being denied a right. Marriage is not a privilege it’s a right, and a right that finally a separated community are going to be entitled too. As I’ve mentioned before we have out civil partnership planned for this July. We both live in Warrington, pay our taxes, put our bins out, watch corrie (when there is nothing else on!!), go on holiday, shop at ASDA, we both work in jobs serving the public in professional capacities, at no point have we ever refused something or treatment to anyone, we keep our personal beliefs in check as we understand we have a duty to respect and treat everyone we come into contact with professionally and equally…….why has society and members of the public for so long think its acceptable to not treat us fairly like we do to others and have done in our carers for the last 15 years??

tarasmum wrote:
I believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN. This will now cause problems for some churches who won't always agree with same sex marriages, but will now have it foisted on them.

cookie1974 wrote:

chunkymunky wrote:
Totally agree nick! Why should my marriage be set apart from traditional marriage?!? why do i have to tell my nieces and nephews uncle munky is in a civil partnership, and when they ask is it like mummy and daddies and we say "well its as good as.....apparently!" how do you think that makes people feel? Language is a very powerful tool, already (on question time i noticed too) the term 'gay marriage' is being used a lot, its not gay marriage its marriage! by using the term 'gay marriage' already people are trying to separate it away from 'marriage' again in an attempt for it to be 'highlighted' as something different...which it wont be soon! I totally agree that many of our laws are still based on Christian values and what was written in the bible but please lets remember we have also seen sense and adapted our laws for other areas, as already pointed out such as rape of your wife, beating your children, executing anyone who has an affair....its just another natural progression! Warringtonontour – I appreciate you feel that the ‘gay’ gang up but please take a step back and look at it from another perspective, the current situation is inequitable, no matter what slant you put on it. We have two different systems of legal partnership for two different types of people. Legally and under the human rights act we can not, by law, discriminate against anything that is legal, homosexuality is legal and have been for a long time now, therefore the currently law, under the HRA is illegal, this is why the government has moved quickly to address this. I appreciate you feel that a civil partnership is ‘sufficient’, however this doesn’t affect you, your not being denied a right. Marriage is not a privilege it’s a right, and a right that finally a separated community are going to be entitled too. As I’ve mentioned before we have out civil partnership planned for this July. We both live in Warrington, pay our taxes, put our bins out, watch corrie (when there is nothing else on!!), go on holiday, shop at ASDA, we both work in jobs serving the public in professional capacities, at no point have we ever refused something or treatment to anyone, we keep our personal beliefs in check as we understand we have a duty to respect and treat everyone we come into contact with professionally and equally…….why has society and members of the public for so long think its acceptable to not treat us fairly like we do to others and have done in our carers for the last 15 years??

its not often that we agree on certain issues chunkymunky, but on this topic i think we are in full agreement!

MrTrigger wrote:
Glad you put that in capitals

dont think every heard you

tarasmum wrote:
I STILL believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN.

FACT !!!!!

tarasmum wrote:
I STILL believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN.

FACT !!!!!

chunkymunky wrote:

tarasmum wrote:
I STILL believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN.

FACT !!!!!

Definition of fact
noun
a thing that is known or proved to be true:

Taken from the Oxford English Dictionary.......FAC

T!!!

chunkymunky wrote:
......and remember too-it's Christmas Eve NOT Christmas steve!!!

andreask wrote:
I'm freeeeeeeeeeee!!!

chunkymunky wrote:

andreask wrote: I'm freeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Ohhhh an attempt at stereotypical humour? Well done you on your contribution to the debate!!

andreask wrote:

chunkymunky wrote:

andreask wrote: I'm freeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Ohhhh an attempt at stereotypical humour? Well done you on your contribution to the debate!!

Wind you're neck in pal. It's all getting a little bit silly isn't it? Does anyone really care? Gay, straight, bi whatever. It doesn't really matter does it? If gay people want to get married, so what? Let them get on with it. There's no 'debate' to be had. Lighten up!