VOTE: Town's MPs back gay marriage plans

VOTE: Town's MPs back gay marriage plans

David Mowat MP

Helen Jones MP

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WARRINGTON'S two MPs have voted in favour of gay marriage.

Conservative David Mowat, Warrington South, and Labour's Helen Jones, Warrington North, both backed the proposal in the House of Commons last night.

Mr Mowat said:  “I have received a large volume of correspondence from my constituents about the bill and I have considered the arguments made, both for and against, in detail.

“Eventually, I came to the conclusion that the Government should not be preventing two people who love each other from getting married.


“However, it is also vital that those with strong religious beliefs receive protection.


“The bill is aimed at civil (ie  non-religious) marriage – which has been conducted outside of churches for nearly 150 years – but it does allow religious organisations to perform gay marriages if they wish.


“However, there are important safeguards in place to perform such a ceremony, both the individual minister and the entire organisation must have ‘opted in’ and it will be illegal to force a minister to perform a ceremony or allow a premises to be used for that purpose.


“Freedom of religion cuts both ways. Of course we should not force religious organisations to allow same sex marriages against their will (and this bill does not), but neither should the state prevent some religions offering this service if they wish to.


“I understand the Quakers wish to perform church based same sex marriage and this bill will permit that.


“The bill as drafted represents a sensible compromise and I am pleased to support it.”


Warrington North MP Helen Jones also voted in favour and said it was a ‘step forward while still respecting those who disagree’.

More votes and debates will be needed however before the bill becomes more law.

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10:16am Wed 6 Feb 13

ninearches says...

I am not religious & i am not homophobic & i believe in the civil partnership for gay couples, but how can a full marriage be allowed when it contradicts the biblical meaning of the word...a union between a man & a woman.
I am not religious & i am not homophobic & i believe in the civil partnership for gay couples, but how can a full marriage be allowed when it contradicts the biblical meaning of the word...a union between a man & a woman. ninearches
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10:51am Wed 6 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

ninearches wrote:
I am not religious & i am not homophobic & i believe in the civil partnership for gay couples, but how can a full marriage be allowed when it contradicts the biblical meaning of the word...a union between a man & a woman.
The biblical definition is irrelevant to a civil marriage .


Those who would argue on what the bible says are opening up a whole can of worms and would find it impossible to live while obeying all it says in that contradictory book. I'm planning to eat a prawn mayo sandwich while wearing a mixed fibre shirt and then going to give blood - so that's me damned anyway.


Fortunately it is possible to have faith and have a spiritual and moral life while not taking everything as , to coin a phrase, gospel.
[quote][p][bold]ninearches[/bold] wrote: I am not religious & i am not homophobic & i believe in the civil partnership for gay couples, but how can a full marriage be allowed when it contradicts the biblical meaning of the word...a union between a man & a woman.[/p][/quote]The biblical definition is irrelevant to a civil marriage . Those who would argue on what the bible says are opening up a whole can of worms and would find it impossible to live while obeying all it says in that contradictory book. I'm planning to eat a prawn mayo sandwich while wearing a mixed fibre shirt and then going to give blood - so that's me damned anyway. Fortunately it is possible to have faith and have a spiritual and moral life while not taking everything as , to coin a phrase, gospel. Nick Tessla
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11:28am Wed 6 Feb 13

moleogod says...

i don't even understand why there is any debate on the matter gays a people as well and should be able to marry as this is meant to be a country of equality. i don't care were you do or don't put it. love is love
i don't even understand why there is any debate on the matter gays a people as well and should be able to marry as this is meant to be a country of equality. i don't care were you do or don't put it. love is love moleogod
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11:47am Wed 6 Feb 13

Melonfish says...

There's no such thing as homophobia people aren't scared they're stupid.

look it up, homophobia is not a real phobia it is in fact a prejudice.
There's no such thing as homophobia people aren't scared they're stupid. look it up, homophobia is not a real phobia it is in fact a prejudice. Melonfish
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12:03pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cookie1974 says...

People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all!

If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple.

It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story!

People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book.

Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed!
People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all! If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple. It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story! People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book. Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed! cookie1974
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12:12pm Wed 6 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

In my opinion, Civil Partnerships are the limit for same gender unions where the love for each other is fully and completely acknowledged. Why do people want to destroy the definition and more pertinently the sanctity of marriage, when there is absolutely no need to do so?
In my opinion, Civil Partnerships are the limit for same gender unions where the love for each other is fully and completely acknowledged. Why do people want to destroy the definition and more pertinently the sanctity of marriage, when there is absolutely no need to do so? SAC_in_Warrington
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12:17pm Wed 6 Feb 13

warringtonontour says...

Gay marriage is WRONG!!! Whats next?? Brothers marrying Brothers or Sisters? You can not change GOD's law!
Gay marriage is WRONG!!! Whats next?? Brothers marrying Brothers or Sisters? You can not change GOD's law! warringtonontour
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12:23pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cookie1974 says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
In my opinion, Civil Partnerships are the limit for same gender unions where the love for each other is fully and completely acknowledged. Why do people want to destroy the definition and more pertinently the sanctity of marriage, when there is absolutely no need to do so?
Can you explain why it would "destroy" the definition of marraige and also who defines the sanctity of marriage without it being a religous view?
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: In my opinion, Civil Partnerships are the limit for same gender unions where the love for each other is fully and completely acknowledged. Why do people want to destroy the definition and more pertinently the sanctity of marriage, when there is absolutely no need to do so?[/p][/quote]Can you explain why it would "destroy" the definition of marraige and also who defines the sanctity of marriage without it being a religous view? cookie1974
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12:30pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!!

The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?!

You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour....
so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!!

The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!!

Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!!
ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!! The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?! You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour.... so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!! The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!! Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!! chunkymunky
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12:31pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

ps I also applaud both our MP's david and Helen for uniting in a common cause for equality and setting party difference aside!!
ps I also applaud both our MP's david and Helen for uniting in a common cause for equality and setting party difference aside!! chunkymunky
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12:34pm Wed 6 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

cookie1974 wrote:
People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all!

If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple.

It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story!

People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book.

Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed!
This might come as a surprise to you but religion and Biblical principles have been historically connected for centuries through Government and Sovereignty, and it will take a lot of manoeuvring to make any significant changes as you would so wish.

It may also surprise you that most of our laws are based on Biblical principles whether you like it, or believe it or not.
[quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all! If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple. It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story! People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book. Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed![/p][/quote]This might come as a surprise to you but religion and Biblical principles have been historically connected for centuries through Government and Sovereignty, and it will take a lot of manoeuvring to make any significant changes as you would so wish. It may also surprise you that most of our laws are based on Biblical principles whether you like it, or believe it or not. SAC_in_Warrington
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12:36pm Wed 6 Feb 13

warringtonontour says...

I knew you would be a gay.............chun
kymunky.
I knew you would be a gay.............chun kymunky. warringtonontour
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12:42pm Wed 6 Feb 13

warringtonontour says...

So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman.
I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"
So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry" warringtonontour
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12:42pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cookie1974 says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
cookie1974 wrote: People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all! If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple. It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story! People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book. Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed!
This might come as a surprise to you but religion and Biblical principles have been historically connected for centuries through Government and Sovereignty, and it will take a lot of manoeuvring to make any significant changes as you would so wish. It may also surprise you that most of our laws are based on Biblical principles whether you like it, or believe it or not.
So basically you cat answer my question then!!

Your response may be the case BUT religion is not the law maker in this land and it has no place in society in doing so. Again as i said in my original comment PROVE that the Bible is real! Can you?........dont think so, its a story and thats it, should we all start believing in neverland and praying to peter pan to help us? Religion needs to get over itself, its outdated and AGAIN has no place in making laws and shouldnt be allowed to influence laws.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all! If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple. It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story! People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book. Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed![/p][/quote]This might come as a surprise to you but religion and Biblical principles have been historically connected for centuries through Government and Sovereignty, and it will take a lot of manoeuvring to make any significant changes as you would so wish. It may also surprise you that most of our laws are based on Biblical principles whether you like it, or believe it or not.[/p][/quote]So basically you cat answer my question then!! Your response may be the case BUT religion is not the law maker in this land and it has no place in society in doing so. Again as i said in my original comment PROVE that the Bible is real! Can you?........dont think so, its a story and thats it, should we all start believing in neverland and praying to peter pan to help us? Religion needs to get over itself, its outdated and AGAIN has no place in making laws and shouldnt be allowed to influence laws. cookie1974
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12:46pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cookie1974 says...

warringtonontour wrote:
So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"
Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"[/p][/quote]Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you?? cookie1974
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12:50pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

warringtonontour wrote:
So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"
ohh dear oh dear! i can assume you i neither 'mince'nor ram anything down anyone throat! i can only assume from your vile comments and tone of text your a knuckle dragger!

then again you do seem to advocate 'gods laws'......seen any talking snakes lately??

I suggest you also go and read some recent scientific work about same sex attraction!

Homosexuality is found in over 400 species....sadly predjedice is only found in 1!!!

How can you say you have 'nothing against gays' after making comments like that?!?1 ohh and 'sister......we are getting MARRIED um ummm *snaps finger like 'a gay'*
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"[/p][/quote]ohh dear oh dear! i can assume you i neither 'mince'nor ram anything down anyone throat! i can only assume from your vile comments and tone of text your a knuckle dragger! then again you do seem to advocate 'gods laws'......seen any talking snakes lately?? I suggest you also go and read some recent scientific work about same sex attraction! Homosexuality is found in over 400 species....sadly predjedice is only found in 1!!! How can you say you have 'nothing against gays' after making comments like that?!?1 ohh and 'sister......we are getting MARRIED um ummm *snaps finger like 'a gay'* chunkymunky
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12:52pm Wed 6 Feb 13

warringtonontour says...

cookie1974 wrote:
warringtonontour wrote:
So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"
Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??
no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children
[quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"[/p][/quote]Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??[/p][/quote]no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children warringtonontour
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12:53pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

warringtonontour wrote:
cookie1974 wrote:
warringtonontour wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"
Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??
no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children
aye.....doing things it says are ok to do in the bible?!?!? you know becuase its gods law and all!
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"[/p][/quote]Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??[/p][/quote]no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children[/p][/quote]aye.....doing things it says are ok to do in the bible?!?!? you know becuase its gods law and all! chunkymunky
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12:54pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

warringtonontour wrote:
cookie1974 wrote:
warringtonontour wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"
Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??
no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children
and again....another generation is born and filled with hate and a belief they are better than other memebrs of society......and so it all starts again!!

well done warringtonontour well done!!!
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"[/p][/quote]Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??[/p][/quote]no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children[/p][/quote]and again....another generation is born and filled with hate and a belief they are better than other memebrs of society......and so it all starts again!! well done warringtonontour well done!!! chunkymunky
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12:55pm Wed 6 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

chunkymunky wrote:
ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!!

The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?!

You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour....

so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!!

The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!!

Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!!
A prime example as you provide some more of the same old unreasonable arguments, additionally what a load of bigoted and homophile propaganda you broadcast.

Be honest exactly how are you going to have a full marriage. How in reality are you going procreate or attempt to procreate children then, within, in my opinion what can only be described as a so-called marriage?

I also support the right of free speech and I love a good discussion.
[quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!! The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?! You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour.... so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!! The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!! Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!![/p][/quote]A prime example as you provide some more of the same old unreasonable arguments, additionally what a load of bigoted and homophile propaganda you broadcast. Be honest exactly how are you going to have a full marriage. How in reality are you going procreate or attempt to procreate children then, within, in my opinion what can only be described as a so-called marriage? I also support the right of free speech and I love a good discussion. SAC_in_Warrington
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1:00pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cookie1974 says...

warringtonontour wrote:
cookie1974 wrote:
warringtonontour wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"
Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??
no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children
Then stop tarnishing people with the same brush!

If you saw me walking down the street i would not be "mincing" or shouting "sister" to everyone (not that its illegal), as for lesbians who dress as "butch" is there a law against that too? I think not.

I take it you also go to church on a Sunday?
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"[/p][/quote]Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??[/p][/quote]no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children[/p][/quote]Then stop tarnishing people with the same brush! If you saw me walking down the street i would not be "mincing" or shouting "sister" to everyone (not that its illegal), as for lesbians who dress as "butch" is there a law against that too? I think not. I take it you also go to church on a Sunday? cookie1974
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1:01pm Wed 6 Feb 13

warringtonontour says...

chunkymunky wrote:
warringtonontour wrote:
cookie1974 wrote:
warringtonontour wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"
Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??
no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children
and again....another generation is born and filled with hate and a belief they are better than other memebrs of society......and so it all starts again!!

well done warringtonontour well done!!!
We / I dont hate any body nor am i homophobic i am just a human where it is not natural to have intercourse with the same sex? Sorry I offend you chunkymunky but that is my opinion. And speaking of religion..Do you, cookie1974 or you chunckymunky celebrate Christmas? I would be interested to know
[quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"[/p][/quote]Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??[/p][/quote]no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children[/p][/quote]and again....another generation is born and filled with hate and a belief they are better than other memebrs of society......and so it all starts again!! well done warringtonontour well done!!![/p][/quote]We / I dont hate any body nor am i homophobic i am just a human where it is not natural to have intercourse with the same sex? Sorry I offend you chunkymunky but that is my opinion. And speaking of religion..Do you, cookie1974 or you chunckymunky celebrate Christmas? I would be interested to know warringtonontour
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1:02pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cookie1974 says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
chunkymunky wrote: ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!! The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?! You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour.... so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!! The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!! Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!!
A prime example as you provide some more of the same old unreasonable arguments, additionally what a load of bigoted and homophile propaganda you broadcast. Be honest exactly how are you going to have a full marriage. How in reality are you going procreate or attempt to procreate children then, within, in my opinion what can only be described as a so-called marriage? I also support the right of free speech and I love a good discussion.
Banging on again with religious views, THEY ARE VIEWS and thats it, they are not LAW. Get over yourself and get onboard the year 2013 boat! or is it too GAY for you.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!! The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?! You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour.... so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!! The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!! Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!![/p][/quote]A prime example as you provide some more of the same old unreasonable arguments, additionally what a load of bigoted and homophile propaganda you broadcast. Be honest exactly how are you going to have a full marriage. How in reality are you going procreate or attempt to procreate children then, within, in my opinion what can only be described as a so-called marriage? I also support the right of free speech and I love a good discussion.[/p][/quote]Banging on again with religious views, THEY ARE VIEWS and thats it, they are not LAW. Get over yourself and get onboard the year 2013 boat! or is it too GAY for you. cookie1974
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1:05pm Wed 6 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

cookie1974 wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
cookie1974 wrote: People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all! If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple. It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story! People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book. Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed!
This might come as a surprise to you but religion and Biblical principles have been historically connected for centuries through Government and Sovereignty, and it will take a lot of manoeuvring to make any significant changes as you would so wish. It may also surprise you that most of our laws are based on Biblical principles whether you like it, or believe it or not.
So basically you cat answer my question then!!

Your response may be the case BUT religion is not the law maker in this land and it has no place in society in doing so. Again as i said in my original comment PROVE that the Bible is real! Can you?........dont think so, its a story and thats it, should we all start believing in neverland and praying to peter pan to help us? Religion needs to get over itself, its outdated and AGAIN has no place in making laws and shouldnt be allowed to influence laws.
I respect you right to an opinion even if I think it is incredibly formed. I don't need to prove any thing to you as you will totally dismiss and disagree with me any way. Religion may not be the only Law maker but it contributed the majority influence in the process of law making in this country, without any doubt, that is if you were to fully understand this process.
[quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all! If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple. It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story! People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book. Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed![/p][/quote]This might come as a surprise to you but religion and Biblical principles have been historically connected for centuries through Government and Sovereignty, and it will take a lot of manoeuvring to make any significant changes as you would so wish. It may also surprise you that most of our laws are based on Biblical principles whether you like it, or believe it or not.[/p][/quote]So basically you cat answer my question then!! Your response may be the case BUT religion is not the law maker in this land and it has no place in society in doing so. Again as i said in my original comment PROVE that the Bible is real! Can you?........dont think so, its a story and thats it, should we all start believing in neverland and praying to peter pan to help us? Religion needs to get over itself, its outdated and AGAIN has no place in making laws and shouldnt be allowed to influence laws.[/p][/quote]I respect you right to an opinion even if I think it is incredibly formed. I don't need to prove any thing to you as you will totally dismiss and disagree with me any way. Religion may not be the only Law maker but it contributed the majority influence in the process of law making in this country, without any doubt, that is if you were to fully understand this process. SAC_in_Warrington
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1:10pm Wed 6 Feb 13

warringtonontour says...

SAC_in_Warrington...
..Talking sence there.

Still they have not answered my question regards celebrating Christmas.
SAC_in_Warrington... ..Talking sence there. Still they have not answered my question regards celebrating Christmas. warringtonontour
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1:11pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cookie1974 says...

warringtonontour wrote:
chunkymunky wrote:
warringtonontour wrote:
cookie1974 wrote:
warringtonontour wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"
Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??
no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children
and again....another generation is born and filled with hate and a belief they are better than other memebrs of society......and so it all starts again!! well done warringtonontour well done!!!
We / I dont hate any body nor am i homophobic i am just a human where it is not natural to have intercourse with the same sex? Sorry I offend you chunkymunky but that is my opinion. And speaking of religion..Do you, cookie1974 or you chunckymunky celebrate Christmas? I would be interested to know
Yes i celebrate christmas, but i dont celebrate it as a religious holiday as its not, its a commercial holiday that everyone enjoys, yes i put a tree up, no i dont have a nativity or anything religous in my house, I DONT celebrate it as a fictitous characters birthday, i celebrate it as giving a present and look forward to spending time with family as a COMMERCIAL holiday. Yes it started as a religious holiday but that soon passed when the realists took over it!

Not natural........you really need to get over yourself.
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: So.... it is now scially "cool" to be gay...What has the human race coming to? It is not natural. Mincers are the worst, ramming it in your face all the time,"look at me, sister" or whatever they say. Just because you are gay why walk and talk different to your own sex. I also include butch woman who want to look like men. You are going after gay woman who like.....woman. I have nothing againsy gays but you can not "marry"[/p][/quote]Its Bigots like you that this world could do without, not every gay person is like that, do you go out every Friday and Saturday night, get off your face on drink and drugs, have a few fights, sleep with any girl that will have you in an alleyway, get arrested and sleep it off in the cells?? Do you??[/p][/quote]no. I stay at home with my WIFE and 2 Children[/p][/quote]and again....another generation is born and filled with hate and a belief they are better than other memebrs of society......and so it all starts again!! well done warringtonontour well done!!![/p][/quote]We / I dont hate any body nor am i homophobic i am just a human where it is not natural to have intercourse with the same sex? Sorry I offend you chunkymunky but that is my opinion. And speaking of religion..Do you, cookie1974 or you chunckymunky celebrate Christmas? I would be interested to know[/p][/quote]Yes i celebrate christmas, but i dont celebrate it as a religious holiday as its not, its a commercial holiday that everyone enjoys, yes i put a tree up, no i dont have a nativity or anything religous in my house, I DONT celebrate it as a fictitous characters birthday, i celebrate it as giving a present and look forward to spending time with family as a COMMERCIAL holiday. Yes it started as a religious holiday but that soon passed when the realists took over it! Not natural........you really need to get over yourself. cookie1974
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1:17pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
chunkymunky wrote:
ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!!

The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?!

You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour....


so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!!

The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!!

Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!!
A prime example as you provide some more of the same old unreasonable arguments, additionally what a load of bigoted and homophile propaganda you broadcast.

Be honest exactly how are you going to have a full marriage. How in reality are you going procreate or attempt to procreate children then, within, in my opinion what can only be described as a so-called marriage?

I also support the right of free speech and I love a good discussion.
So by that token - those who do not wish to have children , and those who through medical reasons cannot conceive - should they be forbidden from marrying - or forced to have their marriage annulled if the medical problem is discovered after the wedding (or if, for example the man has a vasectomy)


What of people marrying when the woman is past child-bearing age. here was no real chance of Prince Charles and Camilla producing any little princes or princsses when they get married. Should they have been forbidden to get married?


(Not to mention the divorce problem)
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!! The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?! You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour.... so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!! The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!! Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!![/p][/quote]A prime example as you provide some more of the same old unreasonable arguments, additionally what a load of bigoted and homophile propaganda you broadcast. Be honest exactly how are you going to have a full marriage. How in reality are you going procreate or attempt to procreate children then, within, in my opinion what can only be described as a so-called marriage? I also support the right of free speech and I love a good discussion.[/p][/quote]So by that token - those who do not wish to have children , and those who through medical reasons cannot conceive - should they be forbidden from marrying - or forced to have their marriage annulled if the medical problem is discovered after the wedding (or if, for example the man has a vasectomy) What of people marrying when the woman is past child-bearing age. here was no real chance of Prince Charles and Camilla producing any little princes or princsses when they get married. Should they have been forbidden to get married? (Not to mention the divorce problem) Nick Tessla
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1:18pm Wed 6 Feb 13

warringtonontour says...

On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".
On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage". warringtonontour
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1:24pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

All opinions matter, it when they are 'backed up' by using religious belief as fact! maybe people need to understand what 'fact' actually means?!?!?

Nick you beat me to it with the 'marriage is to have children' rant they usually go on! i'll tell my sister tonight her marriage isnt valid because she is as dry as a coconut husk and is on cycle 3 of IVF!

Ohhh and using the word 'normal'?? really in 2013?!?!? Normallity is whats common around you.....which is two people loving each other wanting to get married....what less normal than that?!? than wanting to settle down?!?
All opinions matter, it when they are 'backed up' by using religious belief as fact! maybe people need to understand what 'fact' actually means?!?!? Nick you beat me to it with the 'marriage is to have children' rant they usually go on! i'll tell my sister tonight her marriage isnt valid because she is as dry as a coconut husk and is on cycle 3 of IVF! Ohhh and using the word 'normal'?? really in 2013?!?!? Normallity is whats common around you.....which is two people loving each other wanting to get married....what less normal than that?!? than wanting to settle down?!? chunkymunky
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1:25pm Wed 6 Feb 13

warringtonontour says...

warringtonontour wrote:
On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".
or is it because our free speech is not imortant because that isnt what gays want to hear? Are there any gays out there opposed to this?
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".[/p][/quote]or is it because our free speech is not imortant because that isnt what gays want to hear? Are there any gays out there opposed to this? warringtonontour
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1:26pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

warringtonontour wrote:
On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".
no....its not 'cool' to be predjudice against others you percieve as being not normal or any less or has less credability than you think you have!
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".[/p][/quote]no....its not 'cool' to be predjudice against others you percieve as being not normal or any less or has less credability than you think you have! chunkymunky
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1:26pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

warringtonontour wrote:
On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".
Do you mean bigot and Neanderthal?


Hardly fair to call you a Neanderthal - recent research shows that they have had a very bad press.


:-)



A straight opinion does count - and as straight married man my opinion is I'm in favour of same-sex marriage being allowed.


Love and Peace
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".[/p][/quote]Do you mean bigot and Neanderthal? Hardly fair to call you a Neanderthal - recent research shows that they have had a very bad press. :-) A straight opinion does count - and as straight married man my opinion is I'm in favour of same-sex marriage being allowed. Love and Peace Nick Tessla
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1:28pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

warringtonontour wrote:
warringtonontour wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".
or is it because our free speech is not imortant because that isnt what gays want to hear? Are there any gays out there opposed to this?
i know many, like me, who dont want a 'religious ceramony'! or are not bothered! like there is a fast growing group of straight people who wont even entertain any form of legal binding! Some straight couples i know are very agasint marriage as an institutions.....pro
bably many more that gays who dont want equal marriage.....should we remove marriage for the straits now too?!?!?
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".[/p][/quote]or is it because our free speech is not imortant because that isnt what gays want to hear? Are there any gays out there opposed to this?[/p][/quote]i know many, like me, who dont want a 'religious ceramony'! or are not bothered! like there is a fast growing group of straight people who wont even entertain any form of legal binding! Some straight couples i know are very agasint marriage as an institutions.....pro bably many more that gays who dont want equal marriage.....should we remove marriage for the straits now too?!?!? chunkymunky
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1:29pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
warringtonontour wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".
Do you mean bigot and Neanderthal? Hardly fair to call you a Neanderthal - recent research shows that they have had a very bad press. :-) A straight opinion does count - and as straight married man my opinion is I'm in favour of same-sex marriage being allowed. Love and Peace
i'll save you some wedding cake nick!!!
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".[/p][/quote]Do you mean bigot and Neanderthal? Hardly fair to call you a Neanderthal - recent research shows that they have had a very bad press. :-) A straight opinion does count - and as straight married man my opinion is I'm in favour of same-sex marriage being allowed. Love and Peace[/p][/quote]i'll save you some wedding cake nick!!! chunkymunky
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1:31pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cookie1974 says...

warringtonontour wrote:
On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".
You say we are not listening to your views but the same goes for you! THATS why we are all different, GAY, STRAIGHT, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENDER, its what makes the world go round NOT religion or religious views!

No one should not have death threats made against them because they have different views, they should however be able to take criticism just as much as they give!
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".[/p][/quote]You say we are not listening to your views but the same goes for you! THATS why we are all different, GAY, STRAIGHT, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENDER, its what makes the world go round NOT religion or religious views! No one should not have death threats made against them because they have different views, they should however be able to take criticism just as much as they give! cookie1974
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1:31pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

I asked Mrs Tessla if she thought gay people should get married


"Yeah - why shouldn't they suffer as well" she said


Charming!



;-)
I asked Mrs Tessla if she thought gay people should get married "Yeah - why shouldn't they suffer as well" she said Charming! ;-) Nick Tessla
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1:32pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cookie1974 says...

cookie1974 wrote:
warringtonontour wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".
You say we are not listening to your views but the same goes for you! THATS why we are all different, GAY, STRAIGHT, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENDER, its what makes the world go round NOT religion or religious views! No one should not have death threats made against them because they have different views, they should however be able to take criticism just as much as they give!
that should read no one should have death threats!!!!
[quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".[/p][/quote]You say we are not listening to your views but the same goes for you! THATS why we are all different, GAY, STRAIGHT, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENDER, its what makes the world go round NOT religion or religious views! No one should not have death threats made against them because they have different views, they should however be able to take criticism just as much as they give![/p][/quote]that should read no one should have death threats!!!! cookie1974
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1:50pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Mike E says...

Why is it that people who start by saying "I'm not ...." then have a "but..." that proves that they are?

Regarding gay marriage, if I live in Warrington and it rains in Birmingham, it doesn't really affect me, so how can a gay couple marrying affect a heterosexual couple's marriage in any real meaningful way?

If it helps the gay bashers, I'm heterosexual and have experience the joys and pain of heterosexual marriage and I'm not threatened in any way by two people making a public commitment to each other if that's what they choose.
Why is it that people who start by saying "I'm not ...." then have a "but..." that proves that they are? Regarding gay marriage, if I live in Warrington and it rains in Birmingham, it doesn't really affect me, so how can a gay couple marrying affect a heterosexual couple's marriage in any real meaningful way? If it helps the gay bashers, I'm heterosexual and have experience the joys and pain of heterosexual marriage and I'm not threatened in any way by two people making a public commitment to each other if that's what they choose. Mike E
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1:50pm Wed 6 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Nick Tessla says...
1:17pm Wed 6 Feb 13

"So by that token - those who do not wish to have children , and those who through medical reasons cannot conceive - should they be forbidden from marrying - or forced to have their marriage annulled if the medical problem is discovered after the wedding (or if, for example the man has a vasectomy)

They were not my words but yours. I don't fully agree with your above comment either, however by not annulling a marriage is grounds for a divorce as are other reasons and decisions that the couple make.

"What of people marrying when the woman is past child-bearing age."

An interesting point, but there is no condemnation on this situation.



"There was no real chance of Prince Charles and Camilla producing any little princes or princsses when they get married. Should they have been forbidden to get married?"

I have observed that they were forbidden to get married in a Church ceremony.
Nick Tessla says... 1:17pm Wed 6 Feb 13 "So by that token - those who do not wish to have children , and those who through medical reasons cannot conceive - should they be forbidden from marrying - or forced to have their marriage annulled if the medical problem is discovered after the wedding (or if, for example the man has a vasectomy) They were not my words but yours. I don't fully agree with your above comment either, however by not annulling a marriage is grounds for a divorce as are other reasons and decisions that the couple make. "What of people marrying when the woman is past child-bearing age." An interesting point, but there is no condemnation on this situation. "There was no real chance of Prince Charles and Camilla producing any little princes or princsses when they get married. Should they have been forbidden to get married?" I have observed that they were forbidden to get married in a Church ceremony. SAC_in_Warrington
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1:53pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

cookie1974 wrote:
cookie1974 wrote:
warringtonontour wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".
You say we are not listening to your views but the same goes for you! THATS why we are all different, GAY, STRAIGHT, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENDER, its what makes the world go round NOT religion or religious views! No one should not have death threats made against them because they have different views, they should however be able to take criticism just as much as they give!
that should read no one should have death threats!!!!
totally agree, like in many minoroty groups there are always a staunch element to them!!

But it could be a lot worse....how many people have been hurt and murdered in the name of religion??? in the name of 'we have the better god'?? or this is our land?!?
[quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: On radio 2 at the minute (1.10pm Wednesday) Jeremy vine is having a discussion with an MP against gay "Marriage" who has had death threats and called a bigomist and neanderthol, like I my self have been on here (not death threats). Does a straight opinion not count? Straight, normal people are being ridiculed for expressing their opinion on this matter. Is it because it's not "cool" to be against gay "marriage".[/p][/quote]You say we are not listening to your views but the same goes for you! THATS why we are all different, GAY, STRAIGHT, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENDER, its what makes the world go round NOT religion or religious views! No one should not have death threats made against them because they have different views, they should however be able to take criticism just as much as they give![/p][/quote]that should read no one should have death threats!!!![/p][/quote]totally agree, like in many minoroty groups there are always a staunch element to them!! But it could be a lot worse....how many people have been hurt and murdered in the name of religion??? in the name of 'we have the better god'?? or this is our land?!? chunkymunky
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2:52pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla says...
1:17pm Wed 6 Feb 13

"So by that token - those who do not wish to have children , and those who through medical reasons cannot conceive - should they be forbidden from marrying - or forced to have their marriage annulled if the medical problem is discovered after the wedding (or if, for example the man has a vasectomy)

They were not my words but yours. I don't fully agree with your above comment either, however by not annulling a marriage is grounds for a divorce as are other reasons and decisions that the couple make.

"What of people marrying when the woman is past child-bearing age."

An interesting point, but there is no condemnation on this situation.



"There was no real chance of Prince Charles and Camilla producing any little princes or princsses when they get married. Should they have been forbidden to get married?"

I have observed that they were forbidden to get married in a Church ceremony.
It is true that it was decided not to have a religious ceremony (not sure that "forbidden" is accurate).


What you fail to mention is that the union was then blessed by the Archbishop of Canterbury - so more to do with PR than theological objection- and nothing to do with the child producing potential of the couple.


The fact remains that a couple with zero chance of procreating were allowed to marry in a civil ceremony, and they are one of many.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: Nick Tessla says... 1:17pm Wed 6 Feb 13 "So by that token - those who do not wish to have children , and those who through medical reasons cannot conceive - should they be forbidden from marrying - or forced to have their marriage annulled if the medical problem is discovered after the wedding (or if, for example the man has a vasectomy) They were not my words but yours. I don't fully agree with your above comment either, however by not annulling a marriage is grounds for a divorce as are other reasons and decisions that the couple make. "What of people marrying when the woman is past child-bearing age." An interesting point, but there is no condemnation on this situation. "There was no real chance of Prince Charles and Camilla producing any little princes or princsses when they get married. Should they have been forbidden to get married?" I have observed that they were forbidden to get married in a Church ceremony.[/p][/quote]It is true that it was decided not to have a religious ceremony (not sure that "forbidden" is accurate). What you fail to mention is that the union was then blessed by the Archbishop of Canterbury - so more to do with PR than theological objection- and nothing to do with the child producing potential of the couple. The fact remains that a couple with zero chance of procreating were allowed to marry in a civil ceremony, and they are one of many. Nick Tessla
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3:07pm Wed 6 Feb 13

mrwolf says...

Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 
Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious  mrwolf
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3:34pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

mrwolf wrote:
Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 
Sadly those with strong religious belief of suffer from 'social ignorance' too! they genuinely believe they are better than the rest of the population! Especially anyone they decide isn’t ‘normal’!

But even sadder is the fact the majority of them at pick n mix Catholics, only sticking to the bits they like! If I hear one more blinkered fool quote Leviticus’ ‘man shall not lie with man as he lays with woman’ one more time I shall bite off my own ears! Not because of what they say…..but because they forget to look at the 3000 other words around that line about many things they often ignore themselves!!

Sadly they seem to forget ‘he who has not sinned cast the first stone’!
[quote][p][bold]mrwolf[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious [/p][/quote]Sadly those with strong religious belief of suffer from 'social ignorance' too! they genuinely believe they are better than the rest of the population! Especially anyone they decide isn’t ‘normal’! But even sadder is the fact the majority of them at pick n mix Catholics, only sticking to the bits they like! If I hear one more blinkered fool quote Leviticus’ ‘man shall not lie with man as he lays with woman’ one more time I shall bite off my own ears! Not because of what they say…..but because they forget to look at the 3000 other words around that line about many things they often ignore themselves!! Sadly they seem to forget ‘he who has not sinned cast the first stone’! chunkymunky
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3:48pm Wed 6 Feb 13

mrwolf says...

chunkymunky wrote:
mrwolf wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 
Sadly those with strong religious belief of suffer from 'social ignorance' too! they genuinely believe they are better than the rest of the population! Especially anyone they decide isn’t ‘normal’! But even sadder is the fact the majority of them at pick n mix Catholics, only sticking to the bits they like! If I hear one more blinkered fool quote Leviticus’ ‘man shall not lie with man as he lays with woman’ one more time I shall bite off my own ears! Not because of what they say…..but because they forget to look at the 3000 other words around that line about many things they often ignore themselves!! Sadly they seem to forget ‘he who has not sinned cast the first stone’!
well said....

It is my honest belief that some people cloak their own prejudice with the bible, They cannot give THEIR own opinion as it will probably be nothing more than a homophobic jibe which with them being catholic just would not be acceptable.
[quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrwolf[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious [/p][/quote]Sadly those with strong religious belief of suffer from 'social ignorance' too! they genuinely believe they are better than the rest of the population! Especially anyone they decide isn’t ‘normal’! But even sadder is the fact the majority of them at pick n mix Catholics, only sticking to the bits they like! If I hear one more blinkered fool quote Leviticus’ ‘man shall not lie with man as he lays with woman’ one more time I shall bite off my own ears! Not because of what they say…..but because they forget to look at the 3000 other words around that line about many things they often ignore themselves!! Sadly they seem to forget ‘he who has not sinned cast the first stone’![/p][/quote]well said.... It is my honest belief that some people cloak their own prejudice with the bible, They cannot give THEIR own opinion as it will probably be nothing more than a homophobic jibe which with them being catholic just would not be acceptable. mrwolf
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3:51pm Wed 6 Feb 13

warringtonontour says...

You cant argue with the gay's because they feel they have the right to be or do the same as straight people. ie have children, marriage, they want to stand up and say "look at me, I'm gay and proud (to be different)" so today, i am saying "look at me, I am straight and married, make a fuss of me and pay me loads of attention"

The end
You cant argue with the gay's because they feel they have the right to be or do the same as straight people. ie have children, marriage, they want to stand up and say "look at me, I'm gay and proud (to be different)" so today, i am saying "look at me, I am straight and married, make a fuss of me and pay me loads of attention" The end warringtonontour
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3:53pm Wed 6 Feb 13

mrwolf says...

warringtonontour wrote:
You cant argue with the gay's because they feel they have the right to be or do the same as straight people. ie have children, marriage, they want to stand up and say "look at me, I'm gay and proud (to be different)" so today, i am saying "look at me, I am straight and married, make a fuss of me and pay me loads of attention" The end
This is an adult conversation you do know that warringtonontour???
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: You cant argue with the gay's because they feel they have the right to be or do the same as straight people. ie have children, marriage, they want to stand up and say "look at me, I'm gay and proud (to be different)" so today, i am saying "look at me, I am straight and married, make a fuss of me and pay me loads of attention" The end[/p][/quote]This is an adult conversation you do know that warringtonontour??? mrwolf
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4:02pm Wed 6 Feb 13

warringtonontour says...

Mr Wolf. I am against gay marriage.
Mr Wolf. I am against gay marriage. warringtonontour
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4:12pm Wed 6 Feb 13

mrwolf says...

warringtonontour wrote:
Mr Wolf. I am against gay marriage.
I gathered that and to be honest you are entitled to your opinion as the rest of us are and if that’s your opinion i respect that. Just out of curiosity though why are you against it? And please don’t take that the wrong way as i said I’m just curious to know why?
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: Mr Wolf. I am against gay marriage.[/p][/quote]I gathered that and to be honest you are entitled to your opinion as the rest of us are and if that’s your opinion i respect that. Just out of curiosity though why are you against it? And please don’t take that the wrong way as i said I’m just curious to know why? mrwolf
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4:14pm Wed 6 Feb 13

cookie1974 says...

warringtonontour wrote:
You cant argue with the gay's because they feel they have the right to be or do the same as straight people. ie have children, marriage, they want to stand up and say "look at me, I'm gay and proud (to be different)" so today, i am saying "look at me, I am straight and married, make a fuss of me and pay me loads of attention" The end
You do realise that us "gays" deserve the same rights as straight people! luckily we dont have people like you running the country (well not many), and you wonder why people have issues with religion!

I am not after standing up and saying look at me im different, i deserve the same rights and priviliges as you straights, thats what we want and it is no more than any of us deserve!

Its people like you that stereotype people and put us all in the same category that prevents change for the better!

I think you need to read something different to broaden your mind.

Again Bigoted and unbeleivable!
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: You cant argue with the gay's because they feel they have the right to be or do the same as straight people. ie have children, marriage, they want to stand up and say "look at me, I'm gay and proud (to be different)" so today, i am saying "look at me, I am straight and married, make a fuss of me and pay me loads of attention" The end[/p][/quote]You do realise that us "gays" deserve the same rights as straight people! luckily we dont have people like you running the country (well not many), and you wonder why people have issues with religion! I am not after standing up and saying look at me im different, i deserve the same rights and priviliges as you straights, thats what we want and it is no more than any of us deserve! Its people like you that stereotype people and put us all in the same category that prevents change for the better! I think you need to read something different to broaden your mind. Again Bigoted and unbeleivable! cookie1974
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4:30pm Wed 6 Feb 13

warringtonontour says...

I just dont think its moraly right. Marriage, by definition is a is between a man and a woman. A civil partnership is sufficiant, in my opinion for a homosexual couple. And I know everyone thinks i am a catholic spreading the word of God, but I am not. I didnt get married in a church and my children are not baptized. I am C of E and dont go to church but i believe in God and God's word. I have no proof of the existance but that is another debate.

You think that gay marriage will not effect you but as I said in an earlier post....What next?? Mrriage betweeen siblings, Marriage to pets etc etc. If gay marriage can be legalised, what next?

This will effect you, be under no illusion mrwolf. The rise of the minorty is upon us!

Why are you "for" gay "marriage"?
I just dont think its moraly right. Marriage, by definition is a is between a man and a woman. A civil partnership is sufficiant, in my opinion for a homosexual couple. And I know everyone thinks i am a catholic spreading the word of God, but I am not. I didnt get married in a church and my children are not baptized. I am C of E and dont go to church but i believe in God and God's word. I have no proof of the existance but that is another debate. You think that gay marriage will not effect you but as I said in an earlier post....What next?? Mrriage betweeen siblings, Marriage to pets etc etc. If gay marriage can be legalised, what next? This will effect you, be under no illusion mrwolf. The rise of the minorty is upon us! Why are you "for" gay "marriage"? warringtonontour
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4:43pm Wed 6 Feb 13

mrwolf says...

warringtonontour wrote:
I just dont think its moraly right. Marriage, by definition is a is between a man and a woman. A civil partnership is sufficiant, in my opinion for a homosexual couple. And I know everyone thinks i am a catholic spreading the word of God, but I am not. I didnt get married in a church and my children are not baptized. I am C of E and dont go to church but i believe in God and God's word. I have no proof of the existance but that is another debate. You think that gay marriage will not effect you but as I said in an earlier post....What next?? Mrriage betweeen siblings, Marriage to pets etc etc. If gay marriage can be legalised, what next? This will effect you, be under no illusion mrwolf. The rise of the minorty is upon us! Why are you "for" gay "marriage"?
Firstly thanks for answering and explaining your reasoning behind your comments and beliefs.

In regards to siblings etc getting married it will never happen as that’s actually against the law as is it with an animal so we can’t bring those into the equation as being a homosexual isn’t against the law well at least in this country its not lol.

I think that if same sex couple’s want a marriage then why not and that’s just my opinion. I believe it’s all about respecting peoples beliefs/wishes.
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: I just dont think its moraly right. Marriage, by definition is a is between a man and a woman. A civil partnership is sufficiant, in my opinion for a homosexual couple. And I know everyone thinks i am a catholic spreading the word of God, but I am not. I didnt get married in a church and my children are not baptized. I am C of E and dont go to church but i believe in God and God's word. I have no proof of the existance but that is another debate. You think that gay marriage will not effect you but as I said in an earlier post....What next?? Mrriage betweeen siblings, Marriage to pets etc etc. If gay marriage can be legalised, what next? This will effect you, be under no illusion mrwolf. The rise of the minorty is upon us! Why are you "for" gay "marriage"?[/p][/quote]Firstly thanks for answering and explaining your reasoning behind your comments and beliefs. In regards to siblings etc getting married it will never happen as that’s actually against the law as is it with an animal so we can’t bring those into the equation as being a homosexual isn’t against the law well at least in this country its not lol. I think that if same sex couple’s want a marriage then why not and that’s just my opinion. I believe it’s all about respecting peoples beliefs/wishes. mrwolf
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5:05pm Wed 6 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

cookie1974 wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
cookie1974 wrote: People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all! If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple. It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story! People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book. Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed!
This might come as a surprise to you but religion and Biblical principles have been historically connected for centuries through Government and Sovereignty, and it will take a lot of manoeuvring to make any significant changes as you would so wish. It may also surprise you that most of our laws are based on Biblical principles whether you like it, or believe it or not.
So basically you cat answer my question then!!

Your response may be the case BUT religion is not the law maker in this land and it has no place in society in doing so. Again as i said in my original comment PROVE that the Bible is real! Can you?........dont think so, its a story and thats it, should we all start believing in neverland and praying to peter pan to help us? Religion needs to get over itself, its outdated and AGAIN has no place in making laws and shouldnt be allowed to influence laws.
It is my opinion from gleaning the above comments that you clearly seem to have several issues with The Holy Bible. Nonetheless it holds truths that many believe in, through their faith. You can disagree with them all you like and it will not change their own personal experiences and perspectives. I am reasonably sure that these people would acknowledge that they are by no means perfect, but strive to be perfect. It is not surprising that they have views of stereo types as you have observed, but they also have cause to see the same reactions that you have displayed regarding your stereo types.
[quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all! If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple. It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story! People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book. Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed![/p][/quote]This might come as a surprise to you but religion and Biblical principles have been historically connected for centuries through Government and Sovereignty, and it will take a lot of manoeuvring to make any significant changes as you would so wish. It may also surprise you that most of our laws are based on Biblical principles whether you like it, or believe it or not.[/p][/quote]So basically you cat answer my question then!! Your response may be the case BUT religion is not the law maker in this land and it has no place in society in doing so. Again as i said in my original comment PROVE that the Bible is real! Can you?........dont think so, its a story and thats it, should we all start believing in neverland and praying to peter pan to help us? Religion needs to get over itself, its outdated and AGAIN has no place in making laws and shouldnt be allowed to influence laws.[/p][/quote]It is my opinion from gleaning the above comments that you clearly seem to have several issues with The Holy Bible. Nonetheless it holds truths that many believe in, through their faith. You can disagree with them all you like and it will not change their own personal experiences and perspectives. I am reasonably sure that these people would acknowledge that they are by no means perfect, but strive to be perfect. It is not surprising that they have views of stereo types as you have observed, but they also have cause to see the same reactions that you have displayed regarding your stereo types. SAC_in_Warrington
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5:06pm Wed 6 Feb 13

moleogod says...

but if gays get married blood will fall from the sky brothers and sisters will be be forced to fall in love with each other. Dogs will start mating with dolphins to create intelligent land walking dolphins will the intention of destroying all mankind ARRRGGGG ARRRGGGHHH. religion/GOD does not have a monopoly on marriage. people were getting married in one way or another long before man invented GOD. love has nothing to do with religion. my best mate is gay and i would be happy to be a best man if he asked at his marriage if they get married. its just stupidity and ignorance and a massive lack of educations that's why people are opposed to gay marriage
but if gays get married blood will fall from the sky brothers and sisters will be be forced to fall in love with each other. Dogs will start mating with dolphins to create intelligent land walking dolphins will the intention of destroying all mankind ARRRGGGG ARRRGGGHHH. religion/GOD does not have a monopoly on marriage. people were getting married in one way or another long before man invented GOD. love has nothing to do with religion. my best mate is gay and i would be happy to be a best man if he asked at his marriage if they get married. its just stupidity and ignorance and a massive lack of educations that's why people are opposed to gay marriage moleogod
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5:13pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

warringtonontour wrote:
You cant argue with the gay's because they feel they have the right to be or do the same as straight people. ie have children, marriage, they want to stand up and say "look at me, I'm gay and proud (to be different)" so today, i am saying "look at me, I am straight and married, make a fuss of me and pay me loads of attention"

The end
I'm sorry.....I'm far to busy working in the NHS, paying taxes, watching telly, walking the dog, chatting with neighbours to be standing out on the street in my pink chaps, cowboy hat singing the YMCA! You're be surprised.......many of 'the gays' have very typical normal lives.....they just happen to be with people of the same sex!

Oh and I'm sorry but I refuse to accept anyone's comments who use religion as a basis for their argument yet don't practice it! Isn't that a little like the GP telling you to quit smoking whilst lighting up?
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: You cant argue with the gay's because they feel they have the right to be or do the same as straight people. ie have children, marriage, they want to stand up and say "look at me, I'm gay and proud (to be different)" so today, i am saying "look at me, I am straight and married, make a fuss of me and pay me loads of attention" The end[/p][/quote]I'm sorry.....I'm far to busy working in the NHS, paying taxes, watching telly, walking the dog, chatting with neighbours to be standing out on the street in my pink chaps, cowboy hat singing the YMCA! You're be surprised.......many of 'the gays' have very typical normal lives.....they just happen to be with people of the same sex! Oh and I'm sorry but I refuse to accept anyone's comments who use religion as a basis for their argument yet don't practice it! Isn't that a little like the GP telling you to quit smoking whilst lighting up? chunkymunky
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5:22pm Wed 6 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

cookie1974 wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
chunkymunky wrote: ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!! The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?! You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour.... so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!! The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!! Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!!
A prime example as you provide some more of the same old unreasonable arguments, additionally what a load of bigoted and homophile propaganda you broadcast. Be honest exactly how are you going to have a full marriage. How in reality are you going procreate or attempt to procreate children then, within, in my opinion what can only be described as a so-called marriage? I also support the right of free speech and I love a good discussion.
Banging on again with religious views, THEY ARE VIEWS and thats it, they are not LAW. Get over yourself and get onboard the year 2013 boat! or is it too GAY for you.
I didn't mention religion in my counter comment. Are you not able to have a reasonable discussion? They are not just views as you suggest, they are indeed commonly held and practised in contemporary culture.

Some people will see no apparent progress in supporting homosexual and their like in them adopting sham marriages.

In addition it is not I that have missed the boat, I'm in the future and beyond.
[quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: ohhh god here come the religious nutters who think the church own 'marriage'! do a mixed sex couple who get hold a ceremony in a registry office get married? yes they do! Religion can demand all it wants that it owns marriage....but it doesn’t! not until the day your make believe friend can be proven....the bible has as much evidence base as a Harry Potter book!! The difference between civil partnerships and a civil marriage is simple, they are not equitable! yes the majority of civil marriage laws are granted to those in a civil partnership, however why is it seen different? why cant a same sex couple be fully entitled to the rights of other married couples and also be able to feel their partnership is as valid as a mixed sex couple?!?! You talk about 'gods law' warringtonontour.... so i assume you fully follow the bibles teachings on marriage?!?! you think rape is not rape if it done to your wife by yourself? you think its acceptable to sell your daughter into slavery and also no one cares if you knock your missus about the head.....because it also says that’s ok in the bible too! You can not apply an outdated text to modern society, if you want to live like 'man i king' then move to the middle east....they seem to be living how you think we should be!! The problem is those who bleat on and make big statements like “it doesn’t matter what you say a marriage will ALWEAYS be between a man and a women” well think again, it will not! This July I will be having a civil partnership to my partner of 6 years, I don’t really care if you don’t agree, if you feel it threatens your marriage or if you sit back smugly telling yourself its not a ‘real marriage’ it is, and we will be celebrating it with 170 family and friends who love and support us and want to celebrate our love for each other like we, and they, have done for other friends and family members! Then come summer of 2015 we shall be ‘converting’ it to a full EQUAL marriage (not a ‘gay marriage’)!! Now hush up, stop shaving your face and side of your head, rip up your polyester and wool blend jumpers and go live in a cave for 40 days and nights….because the rest of us are living our lives and having a jolly nice time too!![/p][/quote]A prime example as you provide some more of the same old unreasonable arguments, additionally what a load of bigoted and homophile propaganda you broadcast. Be honest exactly how are you going to have a full marriage. How in reality are you going procreate or attempt to procreate children then, within, in my opinion what can only be described as a so-called marriage? I also support the right of free speech and I love a good discussion.[/p][/quote]Banging on again with religious views, THEY ARE VIEWS and thats it, they are not LAW. Get over yourself and get onboard the year 2013 boat! or is it too GAY for you.[/p][/quote]I didn't mention religion in my counter comment. Are you not able to have a reasonable discussion? They are not just views as you suggest, they are indeed commonly held and practised in contemporary culture. Some people will see no apparent progress in supporting homosexual and their like in them adopting sham marriages. In addition it is not I that have missed the boat, I'm in the future and beyond. SAC_in_Warrington
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5:33pm Wed 6 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

moleogod wrote:
but if gays get married blood will fall from the sky brothers and sisters will be be forced to fall in love with each other. Dogs will start mating with dolphins to create intelligent land walking dolphins will the intention of destroying all mankind ARRRGGGG ARRRGGGHHH. religion/GOD does not have a monopoly on marriage. people were getting married in one way or another long before man invented GOD. love has nothing to do with religion. my best mate is gay and i would be happy to be a best man if he asked at his marriage if they get married. its just stupidity and ignorance and a massive lack of educations that's why people are opposed to gay marriage
Keep going. It is interesting to analyse you points of discussion and your methods of reasoning. It is quite entertaining and better than television. Thank you so much for the interaction, I might be able to save on my Television Licence Fee and recycle my Television.
[quote][p][bold]moleogod[/bold] wrote: but if gays get married blood will fall from the sky brothers and sisters will be be forced to fall in love with each other. Dogs will start mating with dolphins to create intelligent land walking dolphins will the intention of destroying all mankind ARRRGGGG ARRRGGGHHH. religion/GOD does not have a monopoly on marriage. people were getting married in one way or another long before man invented GOD. love has nothing to do with religion. my best mate is gay and i would be happy to be a best man if he asked at his marriage if they get married. its just stupidity and ignorance and a massive lack of educations that's why people are opposed to gay marriage[/p][/quote]Keep going. It is interesting to analyse you points of discussion and your methods of reasoning. It is quite entertaining and better than television. Thank you so much for the interaction, I might be able to save on my Television Licence Fee and recycle my Television. SAC_in_Warrington
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6:00pm Wed 6 Feb 13

moleogod says...

your welcome
your welcome moleogod
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6:24pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Paris says...

cookie1974 wrote:
People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all!

If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple.

It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story!

People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book.

Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed!
Your right, religion is not law, it is a belief. Every church marriage requires the signing of the register with the registrar present, this is the legal part of the marriage, the venue of a church and saying the vows in God's presence for people who have a faith is purely the couple's choice and not a legal requirement. For people who do choose to have faith they believe that marriage is defined as a unity of 2 people to go forward and pro create. Same sex couples cannot pro create naturally. I think this is where the religious side kicks in. But it's the same old saying of ' religion and politics never mixing'. If people do choose to believe a 'story in an old book' surely that is their choice. Just like places of worship now becoming a choice for same sex couples really isn't it?
[quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: People need to start realising that religion is not Law, Religion is a belief and thats it a belief! Religion should not come into the discussion or the decision making process at all! If they dont like the idea then that is their bigoted opinion. There is no reason at all why 2 women or 2 men should not be allowed to have a marraige just like any other heterosexual couple. It really infuriates me when people start banging on about what it says in the bible! it is a story! People love each other, a simple fact, that may be a man and a woman or 2 women or 2 men, THATS what is real in this world and what people should believe in NOT a story in an old book. Good for David Mowatt in standing up and backing this, i just hope that the next stage gets passed![/p][/quote]Your right, religion is not law, it is a belief. Every church marriage requires the signing of the register with the registrar present, this is the legal part of the marriage, the venue of a church and saying the vows in God's presence for people who have a faith is purely the couple's choice and not a legal requirement. For people who do choose to have faith they believe that marriage is defined as a unity of 2 people to go forward and pro create. Same sex couples cannot pro create naturally. I think this is where the religious side kicks in. But it's the same old saying of ' religion and politics never mixing'. If people do choose to believe a 'story in an old book' surely that is their choice. Just like places of worship now becoming a choice for same sex couples really isn't it? Paris
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6:34pm Wed 6 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

I would be interested to know, in your opinions, what further advantage would be gained from "Marriage" that a Civil Partnership ceremony doesn't already have in regard to the Law?
I would be interested to know, in your opinions, what further advantage would be gained from "Marriage" that a Civil Partnership ceremony doesn't already have in regard to the Law? SAC_in_Warrington
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6:40pm Wed 6 Feb 13

old-codger says...

The church teaches us tolerance,
But it wont tolerate gay,s,
The church teaches us tolerance, But wont tolerate women bishops,
I,m not against gay marriage,
Christmas day is not a birthday but the day that we celebrate the birth of christ,


The law permits gay reationships,
The law permits women ministers,
The law by by definition is only common sense,
Having said that you
would think that given the state of the country this government would have more important matters to deal with like children going to school with no food in their bellies whilst giving over £1 a week in child benefit for children that dont live in this country and
£8 billion per year
away to other country,s whilst robbing the poor and needy, The disabled and the elderly pensioners who have worked all their lives.
The church teaches us tolerance, But it wont tolerate gay,s, The church teaches us tolerance, But wont tolerate women bishops, I,m not against gay marriage, Christmas day is not a birthday but the day that we celebrate the birth of christ, The law permits gay reationships, The law permits women ministers, The law by by definition is only common sense, Having said that you would think that given the state of the country this government would have more important matters to deal with like children going to school with no food in their bellies whilst giving over £1 a week in child benefit for children that dont live in this country and £8 billion per year away to other country,s whilst robbing the poor and needy, The disabled and the elderly pensioners who have worked all their lives. old-codger
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6:42pm Wed 6 Feb 13

Paris says...

old-codger wrote:
The church teaches us tolerance,
But it wont tolerate gay,s,
The church teaches us tolerance, But wont tolerate women bishops,
I,m not against gay marriage,
Christmas day is not a birthday but the day that we celebrate the birth of christ,


The law permits gay reationships,
The law permits women ministers,
The law by by definition is only common sense,
Having said that you
would think that given the state of the country this government would have more important matters to deal with like children going to school with no food in their bellies whilst giving over £1 a week in child benefit for children that dont live in this country and
£8 billion per year
away to other country,s whilst robbing the poor and needy, The disabled and the elderly pensioners who have worked all their lives.
Totally agree there are far more pressing issues to tackle first.......
[quote][p][bold]old-codger[/bold] wrote: The church teaches us tolerance, But it wont tolerate gay,s, The church teaches us tolerance, But wont tolerate women bishops, I,m not against gay marriage, Christmas day is not a birthday but the day that we celebrate the birth of christ, The law permits gay reationships, The law permits women ministers, The law by by definition is only common sense, Having said that you would think that given the state of the country this government would have more important matters to deal with like children going to school with no food in their bellies whilst giving over £1 a week in child benefit for children that dont live in this country and £8 billion per year away to other country,s whilst robbing the poor and needy, The disabled and the elderly pensioners who have worked all their lives.[/p][/quote]Totally agree there are far more pressing issues to tackle first....... Paris
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7:29pm Wed 6 Feb 13

D-Unit says...

Glad the town's two MP's voted for equal marriage and has been some great responses here. Thanks chunkymunky, Mr Wolf, Nick and others, this is another step towards a more tolerant society! From the poll on here so far 45% were for yes and 7% for not sure shows most think there are better things to worry about or not bothered.
Glad the town's two MP's voted for equal marriage and has been some great responses here. Thanks chunkymunky, Mr Wolf, Nick and others, this is another step towards a more tolerant society! From the poll on here so far 45% were for yes and 7% for not sure shows most think there are better things to worry about or not bothered. D-Unit
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7:36pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

Paris wrote:
old-codger wrote:
The church teaches us tolerance,
But it wont tolerate gay,s,
The church teaches us tolerance, But wont tolerate women bishops,
I,m not against gay marriage,
Christmas day is not a birthday but the day that we celebrate the birth of christ,


The law permits gay reationships,
The law permits women ministers,
The law by by definition is only common sense,
Having said that you
would think that given the state of the country this government would have more important matters to deal with like children going to school with no food in their bellies whilst giving over £1 a week in child benefit for children that dont live in this country and
£8 billion per year
away to other country,s whilst robbing the poor and needy, The disabled and the elderly pensioners who have worked all their lives.
Totally agree there are far more pressing issues to tackle first.......
There is always more 'pressing issues' than equality right??! That's why for years it was out on a back burner!

Just a shame on other important issues the chamber is half empty!
[quote][p][bold]Paris[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]old-codger[/bold] wrote: The church teaches us tolerance, But it wont tolerate gay,s, The church teaches us tolerance, But wont tolerate women bishops, I,m not against gay marriage, Christmas day is not a birthday but the day that we celebrate the birth of christ, The law permits gay reationships, The law permits women ministers, The law by by definition is only common sense, Having said that you would think that given the state of the country this government would have more important matters to deal with like children going to school with no food in their bellies whilst giving over £1 a week in child benefit for children that dont live in this country and £8 billion per year away to other country,s whilst robbing the poor and needy, The disabled and the elderly pensioners who have worked all their lives.[/p][/quote]Totally agree there are far more pressing issues to tackle first.......[/p][/quote]There is always more 'pressing issues' than equality right??! That's why for years it was out on a back burner! Just a shame on other important issues the chamber is half empty! chunkymunky
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7:37pm Wed 6 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

D-Unit wrote:
Glad the town's two MP's voted for equal marriage and has been some great responses here. Thanks chunkymunky, Mr Wolf, Nick and others, this is another step towards a more tolerant society! From the poll on here so far 45% were for yes and 7% for not sure shows most think there are better things to worry about or not bothered.
That's because most people aren't really bothered! It's the right wing old school and religious lot who caused a whole tizz about it!
[quote][p][bold]D-Unit[/bold] wrote: Glad the town's two MP's voted for equal marriage and has been some great responses here. Thanks chunkymunky, Mr Wolf, Nick and others, this is another step towards a more tolerant society! From the poll on here so far 45% were for yes and 7% for not sure shows most think there are better things to worry about or not bothered.[/p][/quote]That's because most people aren't really bothered! It's the right wing old school and religious lot who caused a whole tizz about it! chunkymunky
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7:43pm Wed 6 Feb 13

D-Unit says...

chunkymunky wrote:
D-Unit wrote: Glad the town's two MP's voted for equal marriage and has been some great responses here. Thanks chunkymunky, Mr Wolf, Nick and others, this is another step towards a more tolerant society! From the poll on here so far 45% were for yes and 7% for not sure shows most think there are better things to worry about or not bothered.
That's because most people aren't really bothered! It's the right wing old school and religious lot who caused a whole tizz about it!
Agreed! Was always going to be the way for some unfourtunately!
[quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D-Unit[/bold] wrote: Glad the town's two MP's voted for equal marriage and has been some great responses here. Thanks chunkymunky, Mr Wolf, Nick and others, this is another step towards a more tolerant society! From the poll on here so far 45% were for yes and 7% for not sure shows most think there are better things to worry about or not bothered.[/p][/quote]That's because most people aren't really bothered! It's the right wing old school and religious lot who caused a whole tizz about it![/p][/quote]Agreed! Was always going to be the way for some unfourtunately! D-Unit
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7:46pm Wed 6 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

chunkymunky wrote:
D-Unit wrote:
Glad the town's two MP's voted for equal marriage and has been some great responses here. Thanks chunkymunky, Mr Wolf, Nick and others, this is another step towards a more tolerant society! From the poll on here so far 45% were for yes and 7% for not sure shows most think there are better things to worry about or not bothered.
That's because most people aren't really bothered! It's the right wing old school and religious lot who caused a whole tizz about it!
i don't recognise your sparse description.
[quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]D-Unit[/bold] wrote: Glad the town's two MP's voted for equal marriage and has been some great responses here. Thanks chunkymunky, Mr Wolf, Nick and others, this is another step towards a more tolerant society! From the poll on here so far 45% were for yes and 7% for not sure shows most think there are better things to worry about or not bothered.[/p][/quote]That's because most people aren't really bothered! It's the right wing old school and religious lot who caused a whole tizz about it![/p][/quote]i don't recognise your sparse description. SAC_in_Warrington
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9:39pm Wed 6 Feb 13

widnesman says...

My! My!

This has caused a stir

I`ve got that many splinters in my a*s*, I don`t know which side of the fence to fall!!
My! My! This has caused a stir I`ve got that many splinters in my a*s*, I don`t know which side of the fence to fall!! widnesman
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12:01am Thu 7 Feb 13

gerrumonside says...

mrwolf wrote:
Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 
your quote: "what impact this will have on your life???? "

Ahhh we cant take that type of view can we??

murderers rapists and drug addicts being let out of jail early have no impact on my life either......

who am I to say lock them up and throw away the key.....

the peel hall development wether it goes ahead or not will have no effect on my life.....so cant i voice my opinion on it whether its right or wrong....

I have no problem with civil partnerships or gay marriages but i do hope we dont start making a mockery of the Church.......

I'm not remotely religous but I do find it uplifting the fact that people have absolute faith in their religion.
It sometimes makes me feel like i'm missing out on something special.. Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs.

I just hope this isnt the death knell of the Christian church it gives many decent people some great comfort
[quote][p][bold]mrwolf[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious [/p][/quote]your quote: "what impact this will have on your life???? " Ahhh we cant take that type of view can we?? murderers rapists and drug addicts being let out of jail early have no impact on my life either...... who am I to say lock them up and throw away the key..... the peel hall development wether it goes ahead or not will have no effect on my life.....so cant i voice my opinion on it whether its right or wrong.... I have no problem with civil partnerships or gay marriages but i do hope we dont start making a mockery of the Church....... I'm not remotely religous but I do find it uplifting the fact that people have absolute faith in their religion. It sometimes makes me feel like i'm missing out on something special.. Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs. I just hope this isnt the death knell of the Christian church it gives many decent people some great comfort gerrumonside
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9:18am Thu 7 Feb 13

mrwolf says...

gerrumonside wrote:
mrwolf wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 
your quote: "what impact this will have on your life???? " Ahhh we cant take that type of view can we?? murderers rapists and drug addicts being let out of jail early have no impact on my life either...... who am I to say lock them up and throw away the key..... the peel hall development wether it goes ahead or not will have no effect on my life.....so cant i voice my opinion on it whether its right or wrong.... I have no problem with civil partnerships or gay marriages but i do hope we dont start making a mockery of the Church....... I'm not remotely religous but I do find it uplifting the fact that people have absolute faith in their religion. It sometimes makes me feel like i'm missing out on something special.. Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs. I just hope this isnt the death knell of the Christian church it gives many decent people some great comfort
yet another homophobe i see comparing a homosexual to murderer or rapist???? How and why would that be brought into the equation? As for your “Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs” comment you’ve just totally contradicted yourself as you obviously are not taking into account the beliefs of those for same sex marriage. What are people so afraid of? I have a few gay friends and can honestly say it has opened my eyes at just how prejudice modern society can be.
[quote][p][bold]gerrumonside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrwolf[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious [/p][/quote]your quote: "what impact this will have on your life???? " Ahhh we cant take that type of view can we?? murderers rapists and drug addicts being let out of jail early have no impact on my life either...... who am I to say lock them up and throw away the key..... the peel hall development wether it goes ahead or not will have no effect on my life.....so cant i voice my opinion on it whether its right or wrong.... I have no problem with civil partnerships or gay marriages but i do hope we dont start making a mockery of the Church....... I'm not remotely religous but I do find it uplifting the fact that people have absolute faith in their religion. It sometimes makes me feel like i'm missing out on something special.. Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs. I just hope this isnt the death knell of the Christian church it gives many decent people some great comfort[/p][/quote]yet another homophobe i see comparing a homosexual to murderer or rapist???? How and why would that be brought into the equation? As for your “Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs” comment you’ve just totally contradicted yourself as you obviously are not taking into account the beliefs of those for same sex marriage. What are people so afraid of? I have a few gay friends and can honestly say it has opened my eyes at just how prejudice modern society can be. mrwolf
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10:29am Thu 7 Feb 13

old-codger says...

chunkymunky says...
7:36pm Wed 6 Feb 13......
There are always more 'pressing issues' than equality right??! That's why for years it was out on a back burner!
Just a shame on other important issues the chamber is half empty!”...

You have hit the nail on the head Chunky, I cant help but wonder why Cameron went to such lengths to fill the chamber on this issue,and not on others, I,m not against gay marriage and for the record I attended one 30 years ago in Holland, Good luck to them.
chunkymunky says... 7:36pm Wed 6 Feb 13...... There are always more 'pressing issues' than equality right??! That's why for years it was out on a back burner! Just a shame on other important issues the chamber is half empty!”... You have hit the nail on the head Chunky, I cant help but wonder why Cameron went to such lengths to fill the chamber on this issue,and not on others, I,m not against gay marriage and for the record I attended one 30 years ago in Holland, Good luck to them. old-codger
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10:37am Thu 7 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

old-codger wrote:
chunkymunky says... 7:36pm Wed 6 Feb 13...... There are always more 'pressing issues' than equality right??! That's why for years it was out on a back burner! Just a shame on other important issues the chamber is half empty!”... You have hit the nail on the head Chunky, I cant help but wonder why Cameron went to such lengths to fill the chamber on this issue,and not on others, I,m not against gay marriage and for the record I attended one 30 years ago in Holland, Good luck to them.
i saw agreat picute recently, one of the house of commons full to the rafters when discussion their allowences, then anaoth picture about social reform in relation to child abuse and poverty......there was no more than 20 MP's attending the debate!!
[quote][p][bold]old-codger[/bold] wrote: chunkymunky says... 7:36pm Wed 6 Feb 13...... There are always more 'pressing issues' than equality right??! That's why for years it was out on a back burner! Just a shame on other important issues the chamber is half empty!”... You have hit the nail on the head Chunky, I cant help but wonder why Cameron went to such lengths to fill the chamber on this issue,and not on others, I,m not against gay marriage and for the record I attended one 30 years ago in Holland, Good luck to them.[/p][/quote]i saw agreat picute recently, one of the house of commons full to the rafters when discussion their allowences, then anaoth picture about social reform in relation to child abuse and poverty......there was no more than 20 MP's attending the debate!! chunkymunky
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12:22pm Thu 7 Feb 13

jitterbug says...

If you believe in God then you should be granted the same rights regardless off your sexuality.

I personally think the Bible is an old wives tale filled with fictional characters yet some plebs think this tosh has the right to dictate peoples lives

WOW!

God botherers need not try and hurl abuse at me. I respect you for having faith so respect me for having non
If you believe in God then you should be granted the same rights regardless off your sexuality. I personally think the Bible is an old wives tale filled with fictional characters yet some plebs think this tosh has the right to dictate peoples lives WOW! God botherers need not try and hurl abuse at me. I respect you for having faith so respect me for having non jitterbug
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12:59pm Thu 7 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

jitterbug wrote:
If you believe in God then you should be granted the same rights regardless off your sexuality.

I personally think the Bible is an old wives tale filled with fictional characters yet some plebs think this tosh has the right to dictate peoples lives

WOW!

God botherers need not try and hurl abuse at me. I respect you for having faith so respect me for having non
There is no getting away from it, the Holy Bible has a great influence on british culture. The whole country is run on Biblical guidelines, our laws are based on the Bible, the House of Legislation is based on principles of the Bible including members that are religious leaders other wise there would be anarchy.

I respect your right to think that you belief is correct for you and our right to free speech. I also acknowledge that our opinions might differ. The facts are available for scrutiny and speak for themselves.
[quote][p][bold]jitterbug[/bold] wrote: If you believe in God then you should be granted the same rights regardless off your sexuality. I personally think the Bible is an old wives tale filled with fictional characters yet some plebs think this tosh has the right to dictate peoples lives WOW! God botherers need not try and hurl abuse at me. I respect you for having faith so respect me for having non[/p][/quote]There is no getting away from it, the Holy Bible has a great influence on british culture. The whole country is run on Biblical guidelines, our laws are based on the Bible, the House of Legislation is based on principles of the Bible including members that are religious leaders other wise there would be anarchy. I respect your right to think that you belief is correct for you and our right to free speech. I also acknowledge that our opinions might differ. The facts are available for scrutiny and speak for themselves. SAC_in_Warrington
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2:07pm Thu 7 Feb 13

gerrumonside says...

mrwolf wrote:
gerrumonside wrote:
mrwolf wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 
your quote: "what impact this will have on your life???? " Ahhh we cant take that type of view can we?? murderers rapists and drug addicts being let out of jail early have no impact on my life either...... who am I to say lock them up and throw away the key..... the peel hall development wether it goes ahead or not will have no effect on my life.....so cant i voice my opinion on it whether its right or wrong.... I have no problem with civil partnerships or gay marriages but i do hope we dont start making a mockery of the Church....... I'm not remotely religous but I do find it uplifting the fact that people have absolute faith in their religion. It sometimes makes me feel like i'm missing out on something special.. Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs. I just hope this isnt the death knell of the Christian church it gives many decent people some great comfort
yet another homophobe i see comparing a homosexual to murderer or rapist???? How and why would that be brought into the equation? As for your “Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs” comment you’ve just totally contradicted yourself as you obviously are not taking into account the beliefs of those for same sex marriage. What are people so afraid of? I have a few gay friends and can honestly say it has opened my eyes at just how prejudice modern society can be.
what a horrible thing to accuse someone of .......not once in my statement did I compare a homosexual with a murderer or rapist....

if you read my piece propoerly I was simply showing you other perfectly acceptable examples of things that dont affect people but they still have the right to comment on.

why did you not then go on to call me a disgrace for comparing a homosexual to a proposed three bedroom semi detached house on the peel hall site....????

I'll tell you why because it didnt fit in with your ridiculous stance on people having a point of view.... did you ignore my original point of view which was I have NO objection to civil partnerships or gay Marriages.... did you read that bit or where so clouded by some kind of anger to "christians" that you now chose to call me a homophobe......??

unbeleivable ........
If I was a homosexual or Christian I'm not sure i'd want your perverse blinkered views fighting for my corner thank you.....

I too have a number of gay friends/colleagues one gets more stick for being scouse than gay......its how we are ....mature grown ups living our lives in harmony but still poking fun without fear of being labelled a homophobe... you should try it before preaching.......
[quote][p][bold]mrwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gerrumonside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrwolf[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious [/p][/quote]your quote: "what impact this will have on your life???? " Ahhh we cant take that type of view can we?? murderers rapists and drug addicts being let out of jail early have no impact on my life either...... who am I to say lock them up and throw away the key..... the peel hall development wether it goes ahead or not will have no effect on my life.....so cant i voice my opinion on it whether its right or wrong.... I have no problem with civil partnerships or gay marriages but i do hope we dont start making a mockery of the Church....... I'm not remotely religous but I do find it uplifting the fact that people have absolute faith in their religion. It sometimes makes me feel like i'm missing out on something special.. Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs. I just hope this isnt the death knell of the Christian church it gives many decent people some great comfort[/p][/quote]yet another homophobe i see comparing a homosexual to murderer or rapist???? How and why would that be brought into the equation? As for your “Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs” comment you’ve just totally contradicted yourself as you obviously are not taking into account the beliefs of those for same sex marriage. What are people so afraid of? I have a few gay friends and can honestly say it has opened my eyes at just how prejudice modern society can be.[/p][/quote]what a horrible thing to accuse someone of .......not once in my statement did I compare a homosexual with a murderer or rapist.... if you read my piece propoerly I was simply showing you other perfectly acceptable examples of things that dont affect people but they still have the right to comment on. why did you not then go on to call me a disgrace for comparing a homosexual to a proposed three bedroom semi detached house on the peel hall site....???? I'll tell you why because it didnt fit in with your ridiculous stance on people having a point of view.... did you ignore my original point of view which was I have NO objection to civil partnerships or gay Marriages.... did you read that bit or where so clouded by some kind of anger to "christians" that you now chose to call me a homophobe......?? unbeleivable ........ If I was a homosexual or Christian I'm not sure i'd want your perverse blinkered views fighting for my corner thank you..... I too have a number of gay friends/colleagues one gets more stick for being scouse than gay......its how we are ....mature grown ups living our lives in harmony but still poking fun without fear of being labelled a homophobe... you should try it before preaching....... gerrumonside
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4:28pm Thu 7 Feb 13

mrwolf says...

gerrumonside wrote:
mrwolf wrote:
gerrumonside wrote:
mrwolf wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious 
your quote: "what impact this will have on your life???? " Ahhh we cant take that type of view can we?? murderers rapists and drug addicts being let out of jail early have no impact on my life either...... who am I to say lock them up and throw away the key..... the peel hall development wether it goes ahead or not will have no effect on my life.....so cant i voice my opinion on it whether its right or wrong.... I have no problem with civil partnerships or gay marriages but i do hope we dont start making a mockery of the Church....... I'm not remotely religous but I do find it uplifting the fact that people have absolute faith in their religion. It sometimes makes me feel like i'm missing out on something special.. Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs. I just hope this isnt the death knell of the Christian church it gives many decent people some great comfort
yet another homophobe i see comparing a homosexual to murderer or rapist???? How and why would that be brought into the equation? As for your “Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs” comment you’ve just totally contradicted yourself as you obviously are not taking into account the beliefs of those for same sex marriage. What are people so afraid of? I have a few gay friends and can honestly say it has opened my eyes at just how prejudice modern society can be.
what a horrible thing to accuse someone of .......not once in my statement did I compare a homosexual with a murderer or rapist.... if you read my piece propoerly I was simply showing you other perfectly acceptable examples of things that dont affect people but they still have the right to comment on. why did you not then go on to call me a disgrace for comparing a homosexual to a proposed three bedroom semi detached house on the peel hall site....???? I'll tell you why because it didnt fit in with your ridiculous stance on people having a point of view.... did you ignore my original point of view which was I have NO objection to civil partnerships or gay Marriages.... did you read that bit or where so clouded by some kind of anger to "christians" that you now chose to call me a homophobe......?? unbeleivable ........ If I was a homosexual or Christian I'm not sure i'd want your perverse blinkered views fighting for my corner thank you..... I too have a number of gay friends/colleagues one gets more stick for being scouse than gay......its how we are ....mature grown ups living our lives in harmony but still poking fun without fear of being labelled a homophobe... you should try it before preaching.......
Quote “I'll tell you why because it didnt fit in with your ridiculous stance on people having a point of view”...... i welcome people’s opinion and point of view (see above comments) i just find yours hard to grasp as your aware this whole debate is whether you are for or against same sex marriage. I again ask you why you are talking about murderers and rapists oh and peel hall? Your 1st post was unclear to the point you were getting across and after reading your second post its more clear what you mean. In regards to your “clouded by some kind of anger to "Christians” comment your sadly mistaken and just getting a little caught up in your emotions, i do however stand by my previous comment that some people cloak their prejudice with religion.

Moral of the story stay on the subject in question to avoid confusion.......
[quote][p][bold]gerrumonside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrwolf[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gerrumonside[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mrwolf[/bold] wrote: Some of the comments on here are utterly astonishing!!!! Some people actually believe they are disciples quoting the bible sat on their high catholic steed. Lol Have any of you “against gay marriage” citizens ever sat and wondered what impact this will have on your life???? Because i can’t see it affecting me or my mrs or anybody in any way shape or form. It’s just another excuse for the “disciples” to stamp down god’s word! And for them to explain why they are better people than everybody else........ Hilarious [/p][/quote]your quote: "what impact this will have on your life???? " Ahhh we cant take that type of view can we?? murderers rapists and drug addicts being let out of jail early have no impact on my life either...... who am I to say lock them up and throw away the key..... the peel hall development wether it goes ahead or not will have no effect on my life.....so cant i voice my opinion on it whether its right or wrong.... I have no problem with civil partnerships or gay marriages but i do hope we dont start making a mockery of the Church....... I'm not remotely religous but I do find it uplifting the fact that people have absolute faith in their religion. It sometimes makes me feel like i'm missing out on something special.. Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs. I just hope this isnt the death knell of the Christian church it gives many decent people some great comfort[/p][/quote]yet another homophobe i see comparing a homosexual to murderer or rapist???? How and why would that be brought into the equation? As for your “Alas I choose not to believe but respect and admire others beliefs” comment you’ve just totally contradicted yourself as you obviously are not taking into account the beliefs of those for same sex marriage. What are people so afraid of? I have a few gay friends and can honestly say it has opened my eyes at just how prejudice modern society can be.[/p][/quote]what a horrible thing to accuse someone of .......not once in my statement did I compare a homosexual with a murderer or rapist.... if you read my piece propoerly I was simply showing you other perfectly acceptable examples of things that dont affect people but they still have the right to comment on. why did you not then go on to call me a disgrace for comparing a homosexual to a proposed three bedroom semi detached house on the peel hall site....???? I'll tell you why because it didnt fit in with your ridiculous stance on people having a point of view.... did you ignore my original point of view which was I have NO objection to civil partnerships or gay Marriages.... did you read that bit or where so clouded by some kind of anger to "christians" that you now chose to call me a homophobe......?? unbeleivable ........ If I was a homosexual or Christian I'm not sure i'd want your perverse blinkered views fighting for my corner thank you..... I too have a number of gay friends/colleagues one gets more stick for being scouse than gay......its how we are ....mature grown ups living our lives in harmony but still poking fun without fear of being labelled a homophobe... you should try it before preaching.......[/p][/quote]Quote “I'll tell you why because it didnt fit in with your ridiculous stance on people having a point of view”...... i welcome people’s opinion and point of view (see above comments) i just find yours hard to grasp as your aware this whole debate is whether you are for or against same sex marriage. I again ask you why you are talking about murderers and rapists oh and peel hall? Your 1st post was unclear to the point you were getting across and after reading your second post its more clear what you mean. In regards to your “clouded by some kind of anger to "Christians” comment your sadly mistaken and just getting a little caught up in your emotions, i do however stand by my previous comment that some people cloak their prejudice with religion. Moral of the story stay on the subject in question to avoid confusion....... mrwolf
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10:21pm Thu 7 Feb 13

bellyblue says...

If religion is not the Law....why do we swear on The Bible when in a Court of Law???
Anyway does it matter who gets married in church??
Most people only go Churh for wedding funerals and christenings, the reason certainly isn't a Religious one.
If religion is not the Law....why do we swear on The Bible when in a Court of Law??? Anyway does it matter who gets married in church?? Most people only go Churh for wedding funerals and christenings, the reason certainly isn't a Religious one. bellyblue
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10:58am Fri 8 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

bellyblue wrote:
If religion is not the Law....why do we swear on The Bible when in a Court of Law??? Anyway does it matter who gets married in church?? Most people only go Churh for wedding funerals and christenings, the reason certainly isn't a Religious one.
ive never swore on the bible in court, there are alternatives!!!
[quote][p][bold]bellyblue[/bold] wrote: If religion is not the Law....why do we swear on The Bible when in a Court of Law??? Anyway does it matter who gets married in church?? Most people only go Churh for wedding funerals and christenings, the reason certainly isn't a Religious one.[/p][/quote]ive never swore on the bible in court, there are alternatives!!! chunkymunky
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11:27am Fri 8 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

chunkymunky wrote:
bellyblue wrote:
If religion is not the Law....why do we swear on The Bible when in a Court of Law??? Anyway does it matter who gets married in church?? Most people only go Churh for wedding funerals and christenings, the reason certainly isn't a Religious one.
ive never swore on the bible in court, there are alternatives!!!
The Bible is still present and used by many people. Incidentally when I have worked in Court I observed that many Christians didn't swear on the Bible either; instead they will intently choose to read and give the Affirmation.

I reiterate tis point: There is no getting away from it, the Holy Bible has a great influence on British culture. The whole country is run on Biblical guidelines, our laws are based on The Bible, the House of Legislation is based on principles of The Bible including members that are religious leaders, otherwise there would be anarchy.

In addition a question I posed earlier that has not been answered by those wishing to hijack the institution of Marriage:

I would be interested to know, in your opinions, what further advantage would be gained from "Marriage" that a Civil Partnership ceremony doesn't already have in regard to the Law?
[quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]bellyblue[/bold] wrote: If religion is not the Law....why do we swear on The Bible when in a Court of Law??? Anyway does it matter who gets married in church?? Most people only go Churh for wedding funerals and christenings, the reason certainly isn't a Religious one.[/p][/quote]ive never swore on the bible in court, there are alternatives!!![/p][/quote]The Bible is still present and used by many people. Incidentally when I have worked in Court I observed that many Christians didn't swear on the Bible either; instead they will intently choose to read and give the Affirmation. I reiterate tis point: There is no getting away from it, the Holy Bible has a great influence on British culture. The whole country is run on Biblical guidelines, our laws are based on The Bible, the House of Legislation is based on principles of The Bible including members that are religious leaders, otherwise there would be anarchy. In addition a question I posed earlier that has not been answered by those wishing to hijack the institution of Marriage: I would be interested to know, in your opinions, what further advantage would be gained from "Marriage" that a Civil Partnership ceremony doesn't already have in regard to the Law? SAC_in_Warrington
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11:39am Fri 8 Feb 13

warringtonontour says...

Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b
ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!!

You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage".

A civil partnership is sufficiant!!
Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!! You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage". A civil partnership is sufficiant!! warringtonontour
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11:44am Fri 8 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

Re swearing on the bible


Matthew 5


34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne:

35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.


So the presence of the Bible is ignoring what it says


funny old thing this religious lark innit?
Re swearing on the bible Matthew 5 34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God's throne: 35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King. 36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black. So the presence of the Bible is ignoring what it says funny old thing this religious lark innit? Nick Tessla
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11:54am Fri 8 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

warringtonontour wrote:
Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b

ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!!

You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage".

A civil partnership is sufficiant!!
Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?
[quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!! You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage". A civil partnership is sufficiant!![/p][/quote]Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree? SAC_in_Warrington
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12:05pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
warringtonontour wrote:
Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b


ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!!

You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage".

A civil partnership is sufficiant!!
Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?
It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important..


So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity"


As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!! You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage". A civil partnership is sufficiant!![/p][/quote]Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?[/p][/quote]It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important.. So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity" As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative. Nick Tessla
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12:18pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
warringtonontour wrote:
Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b



ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!!

You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage".

A civil partnership is sufficiant!!
Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?
It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important..


So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity"


As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.
In my view, calling a Civil Partnership a Marriage will not make same-gender couples equal. The Civl Partnership ticks all the equality and diversity boxes, therefore still the best option for same-gender couples
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!! You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage". A civil partnership is sufficiant!![/p][/quote]Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?[/p][/quote]It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important.. So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity" As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.[/p][/quote]In my view, calling a Civil Partnership a Marriage will not make same-gender couples equal. The Civl Partnership ticks all the equality and diversity boxes, therefore still the best option for same-gender couples SAC_in_Warrington
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12:21pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
warringtonontour wrote:
Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b




ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!!

You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage".

A civil partnership is sufficiant!!
Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?
It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important..


So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity"


As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.
In my view, calling a Civil Partnership a Marriage will not make same-gender couples equal. The Civl Partnership ticks all the equality and diversity boxes, therefore still the best option for same-gender couples
So you actually do regard a gay couple's relationship as inferior.


Well, at least your honest.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!! You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage". A civil partnership is sufficiant!![/p][/quote]Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?[/p][/quote]It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important.. So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity" As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.[/p][/quote]In my view, calling a Civil Partnership a Marriage will not make same-gender couples equal. The Civl Partnership ticks all the equality and diversity boxes, therefore still the best option for same-gender couples[/p][/quote]So you actually do regard a gay couple's relationship as inferior. Well, at least your honest. Nick Tessla
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12:22pm Fri 8 Feb 13

jitterbug says...

If you have two Christians who believe in the big fella and have faith and all that jazz, who happen to be the same Sex and in love. Despite their faith, God says NOOOOOO you cannot get married in my house.

I do NOT believe in God and think he's the figment of some goons imagination but because im hetrosexual, God would allow me to get married (obv id have to tell a few lies to the vicar fella)

Just sayin'
If you have two Christians who believe in the big fella and have faith and all that jazz, who happen to be the same Sex and in love. Despite their faith, God says NOOOOOO you cannot get married in my house. I do NOT believe in God and think he's the figment of some goons imagination but because im hetrosexual, God would allow me to get married (obv id have to tell a few lies to the vicar fella) Just sayin' jitterbug
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12:27pm Fri 8 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

Totally agree nick!

Why should my marriage be set apart from traditional marriage?!? why do i have to tell my nieces and nephews uncle munky is in a civil partnership, and when they ask is it like mummy and daddies and we say "well its as good as.....apparently!" how do you think that makes people feel?

Language is a very powerful tool, already (on question time i noticed too) the term 'gay marriage' is being used a lot, its not gay marriage its marriage! by using the term 'gay marriage' already people are trying to separate it away from 'marriage' again in an attempt for it to be 'highlighted' as something different...which it wont be soon!

I totally agree that many of our laws are still based on Christian values and what was written in the bible but please lets remember we have also seen sense and adapted our laws for other areas, as already pointed out such as rape of your wife, beating your children, executing anyone who has an affair....its just another natural progression!

Warringtonontour – I appreciate you feel that the ‘gay’ gang up but please take a step back and look at it from another perspective, the current situation is inequitable, no matter what slant you put on it. We have two different systems of legal partnership for two different types of people. Legally and under the human rights act we can not, by law, discriminate against anything that is legal, homosexuality is legal and have been for a long time now, therefore the currently law, under the HRA is illegal, this is why the government has moved quickly to address this.

I appreciate you feel that a civil partnership is ‘sufficient’, however this doesn’t affect you, your not being denied a right. Marriage is not a privilege it’s a right, and a right that finally a separated community are going to be entitled too.

As I’ve mentioned before we have out civil partnership planned for this July. We both live in Warrington, pay our taxes, put our bins out, watch corrie (when there is nothing else on!!), go on holiday, shop at ASDA, we both work in jobs serving the public in professional capacities, at no point have we ever refused something or treatment to anyone, we keep our personal beliefs in check as we understand we have a duty to respect and treat everyone we come into contact with professionally and equally…….why has society and members of the public for so long think its acceptable to not treat us fairly like we do to others and have done in our carers for the last 15 years??
Totally agree nick! Why should my marriage be set apart from traditional marriage?!? why do i have to tell my nieces and nephews uncle munky is in a civil partnership, and when they ask is it like mummy and daddies and we say "well its as good as.....apparently!" how do you think that makes people feel? Language is a very powerful tool, already (on question time i noticed too) the term 'gay marriage' is being used a lot, its not gay marriage its marriage! by using the term 'gay marriage' already people are trying to separate it away from 'marriage' again in an attempt for it to be 'highlighted' as something different...which it wont be soon! I totally agree that many of our laws are still based on Christian values and what was written in the bible but please lets remember we have also seen sense and adapted our laws for other areas, as already pointed out such as rape of your wife, beating your children, executing anyone who has an affair....its just another natural progression! Warringtonontour – I appreciate you feel that the ‘gay’ gang up but please take a step back and look at it from another perspective, the current situation is inequitable, no matter what slant you put on it. We have two different systems of legal partnership for two different types of people. Legally and under the human rights act we can not, by law, discriminate against anything that is legal, homosexuality is legal and have been for a long time now, therefore the currently law, under the HRA is illegal, this is why the government has moved quickly to address this. I appreciate you feel that a civil partnership is ‘sufficient’, however this doesn’t affect you, your not being denied a right. Marriage is not a privilege it’s a right, and a right that finally a separated community are going to be entitled too. As I’ve mentioned before we have out civil partnership planned for this July. We both live in Warrington, pay our taxes, put our bins out, watch corrie (when there is nothing else on!!), go on holiday, shop at ASDA, we both work in jobs serving the public in professional capacities, at no point have we ever refused something or treatment to anyone, we keep our personal beliefs in check as we understand we have a duty to respect and treat everyone we come into contact with professionally and equally…….why has society and members of the public for so long think its acceptable to not treat us fairly like we do to others and have done in our carers for the last 15 years?? chunkymunky
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12:28pm Fri 8 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
warringtonontour wrote: Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!! You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage". A civil partnership is sufficiant!!
Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?
It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important.. So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity" As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.
In my view, calling a Civil Partnership a Marriage will not make same-gender couples equal. The Civl Partnership ticks all the equality and diversity boxes, therefore still the best option for same-gender couples
So you actually do regard a gay couple's relationship as inferior. Well, at least your honest.
ohh....theres that social ignorence we talked about the other day popping out again!!!
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!! You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage". A civil partnership is sufficiant!![/p][/quote]Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?[/p][/quote]It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important.. So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity" As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.[/p][/quote]In my view, calling a Civil Partnership a Marriage will not make same-gender couples equal. The Civl Partnership ticks all the equality and diversity boxes, therefore still the best option for same-gender couples[/p][/quote]So you actually do regard a gay couple's relationship as inferior. Well, at least your honest.[/p][/quote]ohh....theres that social ignorence we talked about the other day popping out again!!! chunkymunky
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12:28pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
warringtonontour wrote:
Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b





ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!!

You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage".

A civil partnership is sufficiant!!
Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?
It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important..


So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity"


As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.
In my view, calling a Civil Partnership a Marriage will not make same-gender couples equal. The Civl Partnership ticks all the equality and diversity boxes, therefore still the best option for same-gender couples
So you actually do regard a gay couple's relationship as inferior.


Well, at least your honest.
Nick,

Your words not mine. No, I doin't state that it is inferior. However I have observed from the comments in this comment stream that there are people on both sides of the agument who clearly think that it is inferior.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]warringtonontour[/bold] wrote: Gays already have the right to get married, just like everyone else...............b ut it has to be to a person from the opposite sex!! You can never argue with "the Gays" because one who does is portrayed as a bigot even though one is not and just doesn't agree with gay "marriage". A civil partnership is sufficiant!![/p][/quote]Without sounding excessively pedantic, I for one, wouldn't agree that a Civil Partnership is a marriage. That being said it is an ideal equitable opportunity for same-gender couples to commit themselves to each other and publicly declare their overwhelming love and devotion for each other, therefore no problem or argument. Do you not agree?[/p][/quote]It marks them as second-rate citizens, and their relationship as not quite as important.. So, no, a civil partnership isn't "an ideal equitable opportunity" As you yourself say , a civil partnership is not a marriage and people should not be forced to accept an ersatz alternative.[/p][/quote]In my view, calling a Civil Partnership a Marriage will not make same-gender couples equal. The Civl Partnership ticks all the equality and diversity boxes, therefore still the best option for same-gender couples[/p][/quote]So you actually do regard a gay couple's relationship as inferior. Well, at least your honest.[/p][/quote]Nick, Your words not mine. No, I doin't state that it is inferior. However I have observed from the comments in this comment stream that there are people on both sides of the agument who clearly think that it is inferior. SAC_in_Warrington
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12:43pm Fri 8 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

When they brought in Civil Marriages for heterosexual couples many in the Church of England seemed to think that such an evil act would bring about the destruction of society and that such ceremonies had no validity.


I am not sure if those in the church these days would regard even non- gay marriage as inferior if not conducted in a religious ceremony.
When they brought in Civil Marriages for heterosexual couples many in the Church of England seemed to think that such an evil act would bring about the destruction of society and that such ceremonies had no validity. I am not sure if those in the church these days would regard even non- gay marriage as inferior if not conducted in a religious ceremony. Nick Tessla
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1:04pm Fri 8 Feb 13

stupot0041 says...

When I got married (heterosexually) in a Warrington borough church the vicar was gay. (Absolutely true). Does my marriage count?!
Some of you sad people should get your own lives in order before you judge others, or maybe you're jealous that some people are happier than yourselves.
When I got married (heterosexually) in a Warrington borough church the vicar was gay. (Absolutely true). Does my marriage count?! Some of you sad people should get your own lives in order before you judge others, or maybe you're jealous that some people are happier than yourselves. stupot0041
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1:31pm Fri 8 Feb 13

mrwolf says...

stupot0041 wrote:
When I got married (heterosexually) in a Warrington borough church the vicar was gay. (Absolutely true). Does my marriage count?! Some of you sad people should get your own lives in order before you judge others, or maybe you're jealous that some people are happier than yourselves.
Fantastic hit the nail on the head there

too many keyboard warrior’s on here angry at the world yet confined to their pc
[quote][p][bold]stupot0041[/bold] wrote: When I got married (heterosexually) in a Warrington borough church the vicar was gay. (Absolutely true). Does my marriage count?! Some of you sad people should get your own lives in order before you judge others, or maybe you're jealous that some people are happier than yourselves.[/p][/quote]Fantastic hit the nail on the head there too many keyboard warrior’s on here angry at the world yet confined to their pc mrwolf
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1:36pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
When they brought in Civil Marriages for heterosexual couples many in the Church of England seemed to think that such an evil act would bring about the destruction of society and that such ceremonies had no validity.


I am not sure if those in the church these days would regard even non- gay marriage as inferior if not conducted in a religious ceremony.
It is my understanding that the legislation and processes are similar for both Civil Partnerships and Civil Marriages, it merely takes in to account the gender relationship of the couple involved. Therefore not a problem, they are neither inferior nor superior. There are no apparent additional benefits for a same-gender couple.

Additionally as for telling members of ones family about your Civil Partnership, then tell them the truth, be positive, extol its virtues and its values, why not instead express to them your passion and your love and devotion for each other?
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: When they brought in Civil Marriages for heterosexual couples many in the Church of England seemed to think that such an evil act would bring about the destruction of society and that such ceremonies had no validity. I am not sure if those in the church these days would regard even non- gay marriage as inferior if not conducted in a religious ceremony.[/p][/quote]It is my understanding that the legislation and processes are similar for both Civil Partnerships and Civil Marriages, it merely takes in to account the gender relationship of the couple involved. Therefore not a problem, they are neither inferior nor superior. There are no apparent additional benefits for a same-gender couple. Additionally as for telling members of ones family about your Civil Partnership, then tell them the truth, be positive, extol its virtues and its values, why not instead express to them your passion and your love and devotion for each other? SAC_in_Warrington
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2:13pm Fri 8 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote: When they brought in Civil Marriages for heterosexual couples many in the Church of England seemed to think that such an evil act would bring about the destruction of society and that such ceremonies had no validity. I am not sure if those in the church these days would regard even non- gay marriage as inferior if not conducted in a religious ceremony.
It is my understanding that the legislation and processes are similar for both Civil Partnerships and Civil Marriages, it merely takes in to account the gender relationship of the couple involved. Therefore not a problem, they are neither inferior nor superior. There are no apparent additional benefits for a same-gender couple. Additionally as for telling members of ones family about your Civil Partnership, then tell them the truth, be positive, extol its virtues and its values, why not instead express to them your passion and your love and devotion for each other?
we have......thats why all 150 of them are costing me £70 a head........soetime si wish they didnt approve....would have saved me some money!!!

the point is they should have to say we are in a civil parnership, it will bne seen differently!!
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: When they brought in Civil Marriages for heterosexual couples many in the Church of England seemed to think that such an evil act would bring about the destruction of society and that such ceremonies had no validity. I am not sure if those in the church these days would regard even non- gay marriage as inferior if not conducted in a religious ceremony.[/p][/quote]It is my understanding that the legislation and processes are similar for both Civil Partnerships and Civil Marriages, it merely takes in to account the gender relationship of the couple involved. Therefore not a problem, they are neither inferior nor superior. There are no apparent additional benefits for a same-gender couple. Additionally as for telling members of ones family about your Civil Partnership, then tell them the truth, be positive, extol its virtues and its values, why not instead express to them your passion and your love and devotion for each other?[/p][/quote]we have......thats why all 150 of them are costing me £70 a head........soetime si wish they didnt approve....would have saved me some money!!! the point is they should have to say we are in a civil parnership, it will bne seen differently!! chunkymunky
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2:25pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

It will only be seen as different by those who disapprove of your lifestyle anyway and I guess nothing you do or say will ever change that. In other words celebrate your diversity and enjoy that occasion other wise if you get fixed on the issue of differences it will cause upset and spoil your day as it gets closer and closer.

chunkymunky, to you and your partner:

Sincerely have a great time and hope you enjoy your honeymoon.
It will only be seen as different by those who disapprove of your lifestyle anyway and I guess nothing you do or say will ever change that. In other words celebrate your diversity and enjoy that occasion other wise if you get fixed on the issue of differences it will cause upset and spoil your day as it gets closer and closer. chunkymunky, to you and your partner: Sincerely have a great time and hope you enjoy your honeymoon. SAC_in_Warrington
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3:42pm Fri 8 Feb 13

tarasmum says...

I believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN. This will now cause problems for some churches who won't always agree with same sex marriages, but will now have it foisted on them.
I believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN. This will now cause problems for some churches who won't always agree with same sex marriages, but will now have it foisted on them. tarasmum
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3:55pm Fri 8 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

Thanks SAC, much appreciated!

Tarasmum - why will this affect churchec when they have an 'opt in' system? no ceramonies is going to be forced up on them neither will that be made to hold any ceramonies against their beliefs. Its just the usual shouting of silly non evidenced based statements which have been covered time and time again!!

Oh and capital letters doesnt make something FACT!!!!!
Thanks SAC, much appreciated! Tarasmum - why will this affect churchec when they have an 'opt in' system? no ceramonies is going to be forced up on them neither will that be made to hold any ceramonies against their beliefs. Its just the usual shouting of silly non evidenced based statements which have been covered time and time again!! Oh and capital letters doesnt make something FACT!!!!! chunkymunky
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4:14pm Fri 8 Feb 13

cookie1974 says...

chunkymunky wrote:
Totally agree nick! Why should my marriage be set apart from traditional marriage?!? why do i have to tell my nieces and nephews uncle munky is in a civil partnership, and when they ask is it like mummy and daddies and we say "well its as good as.....apparently!" how do you think that makes people feel? Language is a very powerful tool, already (on question time i noticed too) the term 'gay marriage' is being used a lot, its not gay marriage its marriage! by using the term 'gay marriage' already people are trying to separate it away from 'marriage' again in an attempt for it to be 'highlighted' as something different...which it wont be soon! I totally agree that many of our laws are still based on Christian values and what was written in the bible but please lets remember we have also seen sense and adapted our laws for other areas, as already pointed out such as rape of your wife, beating your children, executing anyone who has an affair....its just another natural progression! Warringtonontour – I appreciate you feel that the ‘gay’ gang up but please take a step back and look at it from another perspective, the current situation is inequitable, no matter what slant you put on it. We have two different systems of legal partnership for two different types of people. Legally and under the human rights act we can not, by law, discriminate against anything that is legal, homosexuality is legal and have been for a long time now, therefore the currently law, under the HRA is illegal, this is why the government has moved quickly to address this. I appreciate you feel that a civil partnership is ‘sufficient’, however this doesn’t affect you, your not being denied a right. Marriage is not a privilege it’s a right, and a right that finally a separated community are going to be entitled too. As I’ve mentioned before we have out civil partnership planned for this July. We both live in Warrington, pay our taxes, put our bins out, watch corrie (when there is nothing else on!!), go on holiday, shop at ASDA, we both work in jobs serving the public in professional capacities, at no point have we ever refused something or treatment to anyone, we keep our personal beliefs in check as we understand we have a duty to respect and treat everyone we come into contact with professionally and equally…….why has society and members of the public for so long think its acceptable to not treat us fairly like we do to others and have done in our carers for the last 15 years??
its not often that we agree on certain issues chunkymunky, but on this topic i think we are in full agreement!
[quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: Totally agree nick! Why should my marriage be set apart from traditional marriage?!? why do i have to tell my nieces and nephews uncle munky is in a civil partnership, and when they ask is it like mummy and daddies and we say "well its as good as.....apparently!" how do you think that makes people feel? Language is a very powerful tool, already (on question time i noticed too) the term 'gay marriage' is being used a lot, its not gay marriage its marriage! by using the term 'gay marriage' already people are trying to separate it away from 'marriage' again in an attempt for it to be 'highlighted' as something different...which it wont be soon! I totally agree that many of our laws are still based on Christian values and what was written in the bible but please lets remember we have also seen sense and adapted our laws for other areas, as already pointed out such as rape of your wife, beating your children, executing anyone who has an affair....its just another natural progression! Warringtonontour – I appreciate you feel that the ‘gay’ gang up but please take a step back and look at it from another perspective, the current situation is inequitable, no matter what slant you put on it. We have two different systems of legal partnership for two different types of people. Legally and under the human rights act we can not, by law, discriminate against anything that is legal, homosexuality is legal and have been for a long time now, therefore the currently law, under the HRA is illegal, this is why the government has moved quickly to address this. I appreciate you feel that a civil partnership is ‘sufficient’, however this doesn’t affect you, your not being denied a right. Marriage is not a privilege it’s a right, and a right that finally a separated community are going to be entitled too. As I’ve mentioned before we have out civil partnership planned for this July. We both live in Warrington, pay our taxes, put our bins out, watch corrie (when there is nothing else on!!), go on holiday, shop at ASDA, we both work in jobs serving the public in professional capacities, at no point have we ever refused something or treatment to anyone, we keep our personal beliefs in check as we understand we have a duty to respect and treat everyone we come into contact with professionally and equally…….why has society and members of the public for so long think its acceptable to not treat us fairly like we do to others and have done in our carers for the last 15 years??[/p][/quote]its not often that we agree on certain issues chunkymunky, but on this topic i think we are in full agreement! cookie1974
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4:37pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

tarasmum wrote:
I believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN. This will now cause problems for some churches who won't always agree with same sex marriages, but will now have it foisted on them.
I came across this article in my research and think you might find it helpful:

http://www.abc.net.a
u/religion/articles/
2013/02/04/3682721.h
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[quote][p][bold]tarasmum[/bold] wrote: I believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN. This will now cause problems for some churches who won't always agree with same sex marriages, but will now have it foisted on them.[/p][/quote]I came across this article in my research and think you might find it helpful: http://www.abc.net.a u/religion/articles/ 2013/02/04/3682721.h tm SAC_in_Warrington
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6:38pm Fri 8 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

cookie1974 wrote:
chunkymunky wrote:
Totally agree nick! Why should my marriage be set apart from traditional marriage?!? why do i have to tell my nieces and nephews uncle munky is in a civil partnership, and when they ask is it like mummy and daddies and we say "well its as good as.....apparently!" how do you think that makes people feel? Language is a very powerful tool, already (on question time i noticed too) the term 'gay marriage' is being used a lot, its not gay marriage its marriage! by using the term 'gay marriage' already people are trying to separate it away from 'marriage' again in an attempt for it to be 'highlighted' as something different...which it wont be soon! I totally agree that many of our laws are still based on Christian values and what was written in the bible but please lets remember we have also seen sense and adapted our laws for other areas, as already pointed out such as rape of your wife, beating your children, executing anyone who has an affair....its just another natural progression! Warringtonontour – I appreciate you feel that the ‘gay’ gang up but please take a step back and look at it from another perspective, the current situation is inequitable, no matter what slant you put on it. We have two different systems of legal partnership for two different types of people. Legally and under the human rights act we can not, by law, discriminate against anything that is legal, homosexuality is legal and have been for a long time now, therefore the currently law, under the HRA is illegal, this is why the government has moved quickly to address this. I appreciate you feel that a civil partnership is ‘sufficient’, however this doesn’t affect you, your not being denied a right. Marriage is not a privilege it’s a right, and a right that finally a separated community are going to be entitled too. As I’ve mentioned before we have out civil partnership planned for this July. We both live in Warrington, pay our taxes, put our bins out, watch corrie (when there is nothing else on!!), go on holiday, shop at ASDA, we both work in jobs serving the public in professional capacities, at no point have we ever refused something or treatment to anyone, we keep our personal beliefs in check as we understand we have a duty to respect and treat everyone we come into contact with professionally and equally…….why has society and members of the public for so long think its acceptable to not treat us fairly like we do to others and have done in our carers for the last 15 years??
its not often that we agree on certain issues chunkymunky, but on this topic i think we are in full agreement!
Weirder things have been known cookie!!!
[quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: Totally agree nick! Why should my marriage be set apart from traditional marriage?!? why do i have to tell my nieces and nephews uncle munky is in a civil partnership, and when they ask is it like mummy and daddies and we say "well its as good as.....apparently!" how do you think that makes people feel? Language is a very powerful tool, already (on question time i noticed too) the term 'gay marriage' is being used a lot, its not gay marriage its marriage! by using the term 'gay marriage' already people are trying to separate it away from 'marriage' again in an attempt for it to be 'highlighted' as something different...which it wont be soon! I totally agree that many of our laws are still based on Christian values and what was written in the bible but please lets remember we have also seen sense and adapted our laws for other areas, as already pointed out such as rape of your wife, beating your children, executing anyone who has an affair....its just another natural progression! Warringtonontour – I appreciate you feel that the ‘gay’ gang up but please take a step back and look at it from another perspective, the current situation is inequitable, no matter what slant you put on it. We have two different systems of legal partnership for two different types of people. Legally and under the human rights act we can not, by law, discriminate against anything that is legal, homosexuality is legal and have been for a long time now, therefore the currently law, under the HRA is illegal, this is why the government has moved quickly to address this. I appreciate you feel that a civil partnership is ‘sufficient’, however this doesn’t affect you, your not being denied a right. Marriage is not a privilege it’s a right, and a right that finally a separated community are going to be entitled too. As I’ve mentioned before we have out civil partnership planned for this July. We both live in Warrington, pay our taxes, put our bins out, watch corrie (when there is nothing else on!!), go on holiday, shop at ASDA, we both work in jobs serving the public in professional capacities, at no point have we ever refused something or treatment to anyone, we keep our personal beliefs in check as we understand we have a duty to respect and treat everyone we come into contact with professionally and equally…….why has society and members of the public for so long think its acceptable to not treat us fairly like we do to others and have done in our carers for the last 15 years??[/p][/quote]its not often that we agree on certain issues chunkymunky, but on this topic i think we are in full agreement![/p][/quote]Weirder things have been known cookie!!! chunkymunky
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6:46pm Fri 8 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

I understand that any thoughts of equal rights to a marriage has been thwarted and that Gay couples will not be able to divorce on grounds of non-consummation or adultery with someone of same sex. Male with Female couples will still have these opportunities.
I understand that any thoughts of equal rights to a marriage has been thwarted and that Gay couples will not be able to divorce on grounds of non-consummation or adultery with someone of same sex. Male with Female couples will still have these opportunities. SAC_in_Warrington
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9:12pm Sat 9 Feb 13

old-codger says...

tarasmum says...
3:42pm Fri 8 Feb 13
I believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN. This will now cause problems for some churches who won't always agree with same sex marriages, but will now have it foisted on them.”

That is just not true, No church is being forced to conduct gay weddings,
The registry officers may have no option but churches do..
I fail to understand why so many people are up in arms about it. 10% of the population are gay.
tarasmum says... 3:42pm Fri 8 Feb 13 I believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN. This will now cause problems for some churches who won't always agree with same sex marriages, but will now have it foisted on them.” That is just not true, No church is being forced to conduct gay weddings, The registry officers may have no option but churches do.. I fail to understand why so many people are up in arms about it. 10% of the population are gay. old-codger
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4:02pm Mon 11 Feb 13

tarasmum says...

I STILL believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN.

FACT !!!!!
I STILL believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN. FACT !!!!! tarasmum
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5:27pm Mon 11 Feb 13

MrTrigger says...

Glad you put that in capitals

dont think every heard you
Glad you put that in capitals dont think every heard you MrTrigger
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5:37pm Mon 11 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

MrTrigger wrote:
Glad you put that in capitals

dont think every heard you
Mr.Trigger, what actually did you mean in your comment by the following set of words?:

"dont think every heard you".

It doesn't make a sentence or any sense.
[quote][p][bold]MrTrigger[/bold] wrote: Glad you put that in capitals dont think every heard you[/p][/quote]Mr.Trigger, what actually did you mean in your comment by the following set of words?: "dont think every heard you". It doesn't make a sentence or any sense. SAC_in_Warrington
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6:19pm Mon 11 Feb 13

MrTrigger says...

my apologies

I Dont think every one heard you.
my apologies I Dont think every one heard you. MrTrigger
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6:36pm Mon 11 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

tarasmum wrote:
I STILL believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN.

FACT !!!!!
It is a fact that you believe it to be the case that marriage is only between a man and a woman.


It is a fact that it is your opinion and not a fact.


A significant faction would opine that it is not a fact but would say that it is correct to say it is incorrect.
[quote][p][bold]tarasmum[/bold] wrote: I STILL believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN. FACT !!!!![/p][/quote]It is a fact that you believe it to be the case that marriage is only between a man and a woman. It is a fact that it is your opinion and not a fact. A significant faction would opine that it is not a fact but would say that it is correct to say it is incorrect. Nick Tessla
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8:09pm Mon 11 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

tarasmum wrote:
I STILL believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN.

FACT !!!!!
Definition of fact
noun
a thing that is known or proved to be true:

Taken from the Oxford English Dictionary.......FAC
T!!!
[quote][p][bold]tarasmum[/bold] wrote: I STILL believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN. FACT !!!!![/p][/quote]Definition of fact noun a thing that is known or proved to be true: Taken from the Oxford English Dictionary.......FAC T!!! chunkymunky
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8:10pm Mon 11 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

......and remember too-it's Christmas Eve NOT Christmas steve!!!
......and remember too-it's Christmas Eve NOT Christmas steve!!! chunkymunky
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8:33pm Mon 11 Feb 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

chunkymunky wrote:
tarasmum wrote:
I STILL believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN.

FACT !!!!!
Definition of fact
noun
a thing that is known or proved to be true:

Taken from the Oxford English Dictionary.......FAC

T!!!
The "fact" that tarasmum is emphasising, is the "fact" that she still believes that marriage is for man and woman.

This statement from tarasmum actually fits for all sides of the argument doesn't it, if it's meaning is taken literally? However I don't really think it is the meaning that she meant to convey.
[quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]tarasmum[/bold] wrote: I STILL believe marriage is for a MAN and a WOMAN. FACT !!!!![/p][/quote]Definition of fact noun a thing that is known or proved to be true: Taken from the Oxford English Dictionary.......FAC T!!![/p][/quote]The "fact" that tarasmum is emphasising, is the "fact" that she still believes that marriage is for man and woman. This statement from tarasmum actually fits for all sides of the argument doesn't it, if it's meaning is taken literally? However I don't really think it is the meaning that she meant to convey. SAC_in_Warrington
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7:35am Tue 12 Feb 13

Nick Tessla says...

chunkymunky wrote:
......and remember too-it's Christmas Eve NOT Christmas steve!!!
So no woman should marry anyone called Steve?


:-)


I am sure it is not true that the pope has resigned so he can marry Ian Paisley


;-)
[quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: ......and remember too-it's Christmas Eve NOT Christmas steve!!![/p][/quote]So no woman should marry anyone called Steve? :-) I am sure it is not true that the pope has resigned so he can marry Ian Paisley ;-) Nick Tessla
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5:54pm Tue 12 Feb 13

andreask says...

I'm freeeeeeeeeeee!!!
I'm freeeeeeeeeeee!!! andreask
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8:05pm Tue 12 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

andreask wrote:
I'm freeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Ohhhh an attempt at stereotypical humour?

Well done you on your contribution to the debate!!
[quote][p][bold]andreask[/bold] wrote: I'm freeeeeeeeeeee!!![/p][/quote]Ohhhh an attempt at stereotypical humour? Well done you on your contribution to the debate!! chunkymunky
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7:54am Wed 13 Feb 13

andreask says...

chunkymunky wrote:
andreask wrote: I'm freeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Ohhhh an attempt at stereotypical humour? Well done you on your contribution to the debate!!
Wind you're neck in pal. It's all getting a little bit silly isn't it? Does anyone really care? Gay, straight, bi whatever. It doesn't really matter does it? If gay people want to get married, so what? Let them get on with it. There's no 'debate' to be had. Lighten up!
[quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andreask[/bold] wrote: I'm freeeeeeeeeeee!!![/p][/quote]Ohhhh an attempt at stereotypical humour? Well done you on your contribution to the debate!![/p][/quote]Wind you're neck in pal. It's all getting a little bit silly isn't it? Does anyone really care? Gay, straight, bi whatever. It doesn't really matter does it? If gay people want to get married, so what? Let them get on with it. There's no 'debate' to be had. Lighten up! andreask
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8:21pm Wed 13 Feb 13

chunkymunky says...

andreask wrote:
chunkymunky wrote:
andreask wrote: I'm freeeeeeeeeeee!!!
Ohhhh an attempt at stereotypical humour? Well done you on your contribution to the debate!!
Wind you're neck in pal. It's all getting a little bit silly isn't it? Does anyone really care? Gay, straight, bi whatever. It doesn't really matter does it? If gay people want to get married, so what? Let them get on with it. There's no 'debate' to be had. Lighten up!
Maybe you should read what others have said and you'll see that there is still an alarming number of people who think it does matter!

I'm sure people will lighten up when they have equality!!
[quote][p][bold]andreask[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]chunkymunky[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]andreask[/bold] wrote: I'm freeeeeeeeeeee!!![/p][/quote]Ohhhh an attempt at stereotypical humour? Well done you on your contribution to the debate!![/p][/quote]Wind you're neck in pal. It's all getting a little bit silly isn't it? Does anyone really care? Gay, straight, bi whatever. It doesn't really matter does it? If gay people want to get married, so what? Let them get on with it. There's no 'debate' to be had. Lighten up![/p][/quote]Maybe you should read what others have said and you'll see that there is still an alarming number of people who think it does matter! I'm sure people will lighten up when they have equality!! chunkymunky
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