Travellers add to problem

Travellers add to problem

Travellers add to problem

First published in Letters

FURTHER to my recent letter regarding the awful state of Peel Hall Park in Orford, I can now report that travellers have broken through one of the parks’ barriers and are residing next to the children’s play area at the Cinnamon Brow side of the park.

As if things on the park are not bad enough we will have to put up with the inevitable mess they will make and of course there will be a risk to health and safety and security in the area. I have reported this to the police who can do nothing, in fact if it is to be believed, they directed them onto the park as they were causing an obstruction on the road.

We will now have to wait for the council to serve papers on them, which will ‘take time’. The fact they have broken into the park and are next to a play area should be enough to make council and police take urgent action.

JEAN HALL Orford

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12:15pm Sun 10 Aug 14

gordon holt says...

all the police can do is move them on but only when they have official permission from the council, and of course the travellers will just find somewhere else to park up until moved on yet again its just a never ending circle
all the police can do is move them on but only when they have official permission from the council, and of course the travellers will just find somewhere else to park up until moved on yet again its just a never ending circle gordon holt
  • Score: 5

2:15pm Sun 10 Aug 14

PageA says...

How did you get on with the 'inevitable mess, health and safety and security in the area'?
I think it's a shame when something has to be inevitable. This circle can be broken, but probably when all the shouting dies down and the local journalists drop their own agendas. There are people who choose a nomadic lifestyle. How about a constructive conversation about how to improve the situation rather having this hysteria every time a couple of transit vans pull into town. I say this as someone interested in finding a solution, we need to break down barriers and encourage integration. These people need less drama in their lives. Get them involved in education, give them proper facilities and healthcare. Imagine growing up being chased from one town to the next by bailiffs and police. And we wonder why they don't show respect. We push them away from sanitation and refuse services and we wonder why they leave a mess. No number of letters to the Warrington Guardian is going to solve this. Needs fresh thinking.
How did you get on with the 'inevitable mess, health and safety and security in the area'? I think it's a shame when something has to be inevitable. This circle can be broken, but probably when all the shouting dies down and the local journalists drop their own agendas. There are people who choose a nomadic lifestyle. How about a constructive conversation about how to improve the situation rather having this hysteria every time a couple of transit vans pull into town. I say this as someone interested in finding a solution, we need to break down barriers and encourage integration. These people need less drama in their lives. Get them involved in education, give them proper facilities and healthcare. Imagine growing up being chased from one town to the next by bailiffs and police. And we wonder why they don't show respect. We push them away from sanitation and refuse services and we wonder why they leave a mess. No number of letters to the Warrington Guardian is going to solve this. Needs fresh thinking. PageA
  • Score: -20

9:27pm Sun 10 Aug 14

I_don't_believe_it says...

PageA wrote:
How did you get on with the 'inevitable mess, health and safety and security in the area'?
I think it's a shame when something has to be inevitable. This circle can be broken, but probably when all the shouting dies down and the local journalists drop their own agendas. There are people who choose a nomadic lifestyle. How about a constructive conversation about how to improve the situation rather having this hysteria every time a couple of transit vans pull into town. I say this as someone interested in finding a solution, we need to break down barriers and encourage integration. These people need less drama in their lives. Get them involved in education, give them proper facilities and healthcare. Imagine growing up being chased from one town to the next by bailiffs and police. And we wonder why they don't show respect. We push them away from sanitation and refuse services and we wonder why they leave a mess. No number of letters to the Warrington Guardian is going to solve this. Needs fresh thinking.
Seriously? As you say, ""some people choose a nomadic lifestyle"" but the vast majority of us choose ( and want ) to live in a clean, sanitary and healthy community - this choice and right is denied us when ""a couple of transits pull in to town"" and turn their surroundings in to a tip.

They *choose* to do this just as they *choose* to shun help when it is offered, just as they *choose* to ignore the law and fail to educate their children.

As for them being chased from one town to another by bailiffs and police, do you not think that this might be connected with the trail of crime, debt and damage they leave in their wake?
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: How did you get on with the 'inevitable mess, health and safety and security in the area'? I think it's a shame when something has to be inevitable. This circle can be broken, but probably when all the shouting dies down and the local journalists drop their own agendas. There are people who choose a nomadic lifestyle. How about a constructive conversation about how to improve the situation rather having this hysteria every time a couple of transit vans pull into town. I say this as someone interested in finding a solution, we need to break down barriers and encourage integration. These people need less drama in their lives. Get them involved in education, give them proper facilities and healthcare. Imagine growing up being chased from one town to the next by bailiffs and police. And we wonder why they don't show respect. We push them away from sanitation and refuse services and we wonder why they leave a mess. No number of letters to the Warrington Guardian is going to solve this. Needs fresh thinking.[/p][/quote]Seriously? As you say, ""some people choose a nomadic lifestyle"" but the vast majority of us choose ( and want ) to live in a clean, sanitary and healthy community - this choice and right is denied us when ""a couple of transits pull in to town"" and turn their surroundings in to a tip. They *choose* to do this just as they *choose* to shun help when it is offered, just as they *choose* to ignore the law and fail to educate their children. As for them being chased from one town to another by bailiffs and police, do you not think that this might be connected with the trail of crime, debt and damage they leave in their wake? I_don't_believe_it
  • Score: 22

10:06pm Sun 10 Aug 14

Reader says...

Why are they all stopping off in Warrington all the time now? Is it because they know it takes WBC time to move them and the police can't do anything or is it because they know WBC will probably have to provide a permanent site for them all the more they do it? It seems as soon as one lot goes at the moment another lot move straight in and the process starts all over again. I hope the police caught the ones who were stalking workers vans and tools over the weekend !!!
Why are they all stopping off in Warrington all the time now? Is it because they know it takes WBC time to move them and the police can't do anything or is it because they know WBC will probably have to provide a permanent site for them all the more they do it? It seems as soon as one lot goes at the moment another lot move straight in and the process starts all over again. I hope the police caught the ones who were stalking workers vans and tools over the weekend !!! Reader
  • Score: 6

9:02am Mon 11 Aug 14

PageA says...

I dont think your comments will do anything to solve the problem. Vent and shout if it helps but ultimately..what's the solution?

"Local authorities have a responsibility to undertake housing needs assessments for the settled population, to identify their accommodation needs. These needs are fed into the local planning framework and the Council will address the housing need by providing different types of accommodation - for example flats, houses or perhaps sheltered accommodation. This is now the same for Gypsy and Traveller accommodation which is just another form of provision that takes into account people’s different ways of life.
The legal requirement in the Housing Act 2004 is for all local authorities to complete a Gypsy Traveller Accommodation Assessment (GTAA), which identifies pitch requirements. From this information the authority need to identify sufficient land to meet the accepted need through the Local Development Framework (LDF). While the Council does not identify land there may be an increase in the number of unauthorised developments (this refers to a caravan/trailer or group of caravans/trailers on land owned (possibly developed) by Gypsies and Travellers without planning permission), with retrospective planning applications in ‘unsuitable’ locations being granted through the appeal process."
I dont think your comments will do anything to solve the problem. Vent and shout if it helps but ultimately..what's the solution? "Local authorities have a responsibility to undertake housing needs assessments for the settled population, to identify their accommodation needs. These needs are fed into the local planning framework and the Council will address the housing need by providing different types of accommodation - for example flats, houses or perhaps sheltered accommodation. This is now the same for Gypsy and Traveller accommodation which is just another form of provision that takes into account people’s different ways of life. The legal requirement in the Housing Act 2004 is for all local authorities to complete a Gypsy Traveller Accommodation Assessment (GTAA), which identifies pitch requirements. From this information the authority need to identify sufficient land to meet the accepted need through the Local Development Framework (LDF). While the Council does not identify land there may be an increase in the number of unauthorised developments (this refers to a caravan/trailer or group of caravans/trailers on land owned (possibly developed) by Gypsies and Travellers without planning permission), with retrospective planning applications in ‘unsuitable’ locations being granted through the appeal process." PageA
  • Score: -11

9:49am Mon 11 Aug 14

PageA says...

shame I'm getting negative feedback for passing on the Law of the land!! tell you what...stick your heads in the sand and only take it out from time to time to shout 'feck'..'ar**', 'gypsies!' like Father Jack. Ever wonder why you're not consulted properly?
shame I'm getting negative feedback for passing on the Law of the land!! tell you what...stick your heads in the sand and only take it out from time to time to shout 'feck'..'ar**', 'gypsies!' like Father Jack. Ever wonder why you're not consulted properly? PageA
  • Score: -6

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