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What exactly is UKIP?

IT is all very well UKIP saying what it isn’t, the problem is identifying what it actually is.

What policies can they offer apart from their anti-European obsession, irrelevant in a local election? The party does seem far better at objecting to rather than offering positive policies.

Their one-man band of a leader, Nigel Farage, offers little help in when he describes their 2010 manifesto as ‘drivel’ but promises some other policies at some point.

If their candidates are indeed truly going to be free of a party whip and blithely doing their own thing then why stand under the UKIP umbrella? Why not stand as independents to sink or swim on their own merits?

Dave Williams Fearnhead

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4:11pm Sat 8 Feb 14

MikeJT says...

UKIP are desparately trying to re-position themselves..........
............as a successor to the Met Office
UKIP are desparately trying to re-position themselves.......... ............as a successor to the Met Office MikeJT
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4:14pm Sun 9 Feb 14

muckerman says...

A lot of people will vote for UKIP as a protest against all the mass immigration from Eastern Europe, and they will do very well.

I see even the current (just resigned) Immigration Minister has an illegal working for him
A lot of people will vote for UKIP as a protest against all the mass immigration from Eastern Europe, and they will do very well. I see even the current (just resigned) Immigration Minister has an illegal working for him muckerman
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2:48pm Mon 10 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

muckerman wrote:
A lot of people will vote for UKIP as a protest against all the mass immigration from Eastern Europe, and they will do very well.

I see even the current (just resigned) Immigration Minister has an illegal working for him
..whereas Nigel Fartrage employed a foreign criminal as a senior spokesman for UKIP.
[quote][p][bold]muckerman[/bold] wrote: A lot of people will vote for UKIP as a protest against all the mass immigration from Eastern Europe, and they will do very well. I see even the current (just resigned) Immigration Minister has an illegal working for him[/p][/quote]..whereas Nigel Fartrage employed a foreign criminal as a senior spokesman for UKIP. Nick Tessla
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9:49pm Sun 16 Feb 14

kenomeat says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
muckerman wrote:
A lot of people will vote for UKIP as a protest against all the mass immigration from Eastern Europe, and they will do very well.

I see even the current (just resigned) Immigration Minister has an illegal working for him
..whereas Nigel Fartrage employed a foreign criminal as a senior spokesman for UKIP.
The foreign criminal in question had been a member of the Tory party. Nothing was made of his criminal past until he joined UKIP at which point it became major news. This is the sort of thing which UKIP has to put up with. It's similar to the case of David Silvester (bad weather is God's revenge for gay marriage) who spouted his rubbish when a Tory councillor but no-one cared until he joined UKIP.
(Glad to see Nick is maintaining his usual standards).
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muckerman[/bold] wrote: A lot of people will vote for UKIP as a protest against all the mass immigration from Eastern Europe, and they will do very well. I see even the current (just resigned) Immigration Minister has an illegal working for him[/p][/quote]..whereas Nigel Fartrage employed a foreign criminal as a senior spokesman for UKIP.[/p][/quote]The foreign criminal in question had been a member of the Tory party. Nothing was made of his criminal past until he joined UKIP at which point it became major news. This is the sort of thing which UKIP has to put up with. It's similar to the case of David Silvester (bad weather is God's revenge for gay marriage) who spouted his rubbish when a Tory councillor but no-one cared until he joined UKIP. (Glad to see Nick is maintaining his usual standards). kenomeat
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7:38am Tue 18 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

kenomeat wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
muckerman wrote:
A lot of people will vote for UKIP as a protest against all the mass immigration from Eastern Europe, and they will do very well.

I see even the current (just resigned) Immigration Minister has an illegal working for him
..whereas Nigel Fartrage employed a foreign criminal as a senior spokesman for UKIP.
The foreign criminal in question had been a member of the Tory party. Nothing was made of his criminal past until he joined UKIP at which point it became major news. This is the sort of thing which UKIP has to put up with. It's similar to the case of David Silvester (bad weather is God's revenge for gay marriage) who spouted his rubbish when a Tory councillor but no-one cared until he joined UKIP.
(Glad to see Nick is maintaining his usual standards).
There is a world of difference between an ordinary party member, as the felon was when he was in the Conservative party, and someone in a senior position.

UKIP have claimed that they have no members who have been in (or who are still in) the BNP and/or the EDL. Clearly that claim is nonsense when they cannot even vet someone in a senior position who has been convicted in a high profile case.

Your remarks about David Silvester merely confirm that UKIP are happy to have homophobes representing them.
[quote][p][bold]kenomeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]muckerman[/bold] wrote: A lot of people will vote for UKIP as a protest against all the mass immigration from Eastern Europe, and they will do very well. I see even the current (just resigned) Immigration Minister has an illegal working for him[/p][/quote]..whereas Nigel Fartrage employed a foreign criminal as a senior spokesman for UKIP.[/p][/quote]The foreign criminal in question had been a member of the Tory party. Nothing was made of his criminal past until he joined UKIP at which point it became major news. This is the sort of thing which UKIP has to put up with. It's similar to the case of David Silvester (bad weather is God's revenge for gay marriage) who spouted his rubbish when a Tory councillor but no-one cared until he joined UKIP. (Glad to see Nick is maintaining his usual standards).[/p][/quote]There is a world of difference between an ordinary party member, as the felon was when he was in the Conservative party, and someone in a senior position. UKIP have claimed that they have no members who have been in (or who are still in) the BNP and/or the EDL. Clearly that claim is nonsense when they cannot even vet someone in a senior position who has been convicted in a high profile case. Your remarks about David Silvester merely confirm that UKIP are happy to have homophobes representing them. Nick Tessla
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7:26am Wed 19 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

Perhaps the local candidates could declare in their election literature their stance on LGBT issues (including same-sex marriage).
Perhaps the local candidates could declare in their election literature their stance on LGBT issues (including same-sex marriage). Nick Tessla
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11:41pm Thu 20 Feb 14

kenomeat says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
Perhaps the local candidates could declare in their election literature their stance on LGBT issues (including same-sex marriage).
Perhaps Labour candidates who were involved in Liberty in the 70s (such as Harriet Harman) could express their opinions on the Paedophile Information Exchange and whether they have now changed their minds on the idea of legalising under-age sex. It would also be interesting to see whether any more Labour councillors throughout the country are to be convicted of offences against children. I don't want to fight dirty, Nick, but my point is that if UKIP councillors had done half the things that other parties' councillors had done then it would have been plastered across the front pages of every newspaper.
As for same sex marriage, I agree that all candidates should give their views on it but that it should be for individual candidates to decide according to their own conscience and not a subject for party policy.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the local candidates could declare in their election literature their stance on LGBT issues (including same-sex marriage).[/p][/quote]Perhaps Labour candidates who were involved in Liberty in the 70s (such as Harriet Harman) could express their opinions on the Paedophile Information Exchange and whether they have now changed their minds on the idea of legalising under-age sex. It would also be interesting to see whether any more Labour councillors throughout the country are to be convicted of offences against children. I don't want to fight dirty, Nick, but my point is that if UKIP councillors had done half the things that other parties' councillors had done then it would have been plastered across the front pages of every newspaper. As for same sex marriage, I agree that all candidates should give their views on it but that it should be for individual candidates to decide according to their own conscience and not a subject for party policy. kenomeat
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1:15pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

kenomeat wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
Perhaps the local candidates could declare in their election literature their stance on LGBT issues (including same-sex marriage).
Perhaps Labour candidates who were involved in Liberty in the 70s (such as Harriet Harman) could express their opinions on the Paedophile Information Exchange and whether they have now changed their minds on the idea of legalising under-age sex. It would also be interesting to see whether any more Labour councillors throughout the country are to be convicted of offences against children. I don't want to fight dirty, Nick, but my point is that if UKIP councillors had done half the things that other parties' councillors had done then it would have been plastered across the front pages of every newspaper.
As for same sex marriage, I agree that all candidates should give their views on it but that it should be for individual candidates to decide according to their own conscience and not a subject for party policy.
To do as you have done - to draw parallels between support for LGBT issues (or being a LGBT person) is not just to "play dirty" it is inaccurate, bigoted and deeply offensive.

The opposition to LGBT people having the same rights to marriage is CURRENT party policy- from the website

"it (UKIP) opposes the move to legislate for same-sex marriage."
[quote][p][bold]kenomeat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: Perhaps the local candidates could declare in their election literature their stance on LGBT issues (including same-sex marriage).[/p][/quote]Perhaps Labour candidates who were involved in Liberty in the 70s (such as Harriet Harman) could express their opinions on the Paedophile Information Exchange and whether they have now changed their minds on the idea of legalising under-age sex. It would also be interesting to see whether any more Labour councillors throughout the country are to be convicted of offences against children. I don't want to fight dirty, Nick, but my point is that if UKIP councillors had done half the things that other parties' councillors had done then it would have been plastered across the front pages of every newspaper. As for same sex marriage, I agree that all candidates should give their views on it but that it should be for individual candidates to decide according to their own conscience and not a subject for party policy.[/p][/quote]To do as you have done - to draw parallels between support for LGBT issues (or being a LGBT person) is not just to "play dirty" it is inaccurate, bigoted and deeply offensive. The opposition to LGBT people having the same rights to marriage is CURRENT party policy- from the website "it (UKIP) opposes the move to legislate for same-sex marriage." Nick Tessla
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4:44pm Fri 21 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

CORRECTION - first paragraph should have read

"To do as you have done - to draw parallels between support for LGBT issues (or being a LGBT person) and child abuse is not just to "play dirty" it is inaccurate, bigoted and deeply offensive."
CORRECTION - first paragraph should have read "To do as you have done - to draw parallels between support for LGBT issues (or being a LGBT person) and child abuse is not just to "play dirty" it is inaccurate, bigoted and deeply offensive." Nick Tessla
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1:50am Sun 23 Feb 14

kenomeat says...

I wondered when you'd get round to calling me a bigot. Of course anyone who disagrees with the liberal / left agenda must be a bigot. Personally I couldn't care less what people get up to in the bedroom but I can't bring myself to believe that same sex marriage is legitimate. As for equating homosexuality with paedophilia, you did that; not me.
I wondered when you'd get round to calling me a bigot. Of course anyone who disagrees with the liberal / left agenda must be a bigot. Personally I couldn't care less what people get up to in the bedroom but I can't bring myself to believe that same sex marriage is legitimate. As for equating homosexuality with paedophilia, you did that; not me. kenomeat
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7:40am Mon 24 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

kenomeat wrote:
I wondered when you'd get round to calling me a bigot. Of course anyone who disagrees with the liberal / left agenda must be a bigot. Personally I couldn't care less what people get up to in the bedroom but I can't bring myself to believe that same sex marriage is legitimate. As for equating homosexuality with paedophilia, you did that; not me.
It took me more time than it took you to send like one.
[quote][p][bold]kenomeat[/bold] wrote: I wondered when you'd get round to calling me a bigot. Of course anyone who disagrees with the liberal / left agenda must be a bigot. Personally I couldn't care less what people get up to in the bedroom but I can't bring myself to believe that same sex marriage is legitimate. As for equating homosexuality with paedophilia, you did that; not me.[/p][/quote]It took me more time than it took you to send like one. Nick Tessla
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