Pub heroes

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ANYONE taking on a pub lease today must be mad or have steely determination to make it work.

Our new tenants Shaun and Amanda in the Ring O’Bells, Church Street, are proving their determination in bucket loads. They’ve worked tirelessly to create a warm, happy environment reaching out and welcoming our community.

Anyone visiting the pub last weekend will have seen Shaun and Amanda inviting the community to help raise funds for St Rocco’s with a 24-hour bikeathon. If you haven’t been there yet maybe you should.

Cilla Shiels Warrington

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7:23pm Wed 5 Feb 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

It will deteriorate now doubt when the initial enthusiasm an the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.
It will deteriorate now doubt when the initial enthusiasm an the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -3

7:49pm Wed 5 Feb 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.
It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -3

7:47am Thu 6 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.
The consumption of alcohol does not rely on pubs - especially those with responsible landlords. There are many other, cheaper, outlets for alcohol.

Just as the long-term fall in church attendance hasn't resulted in the fall of people being self-righteous and/or judgemental of others.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.[/p][/quote]The consumption of alcohol does not rely on pubs - especially those with responsible landlords. There are many other, cheaper, outlets for alcohol. Just as the long-term fall in church attendance hasn't resulted in the fall of people being self-righteous and/or judgemental of others. Nick Tessla
  • Score: 3

9:18am Thu 6 Feb 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.
The consumption of alcohol does not rely on pubs - especially those with responsible landlords. There are many other, cheaper, outlets for alcohol.

Just as the long-term fall in church attendance hasn't resulted in the fall of people being self-righteous and/or judgemental of others.
Pubs are a major focus for community engagement with alcohol as are the supermarkets ans small shops the sell such mind altering beverages. There appears to be a welcome trend in pub and night club closures which I and others celebrate and encourage. Shops are proving a little more difficult to restrain but it is happening very, very slowly..
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.[/p][/quote]The consumption of alcohol does not rely on pubs - especially those with responsible landlords. There are many other, cheaper, outlets for alcohol. Just as the long-term fall in church attendance hasn't resulted in the fall of people being self-righteous and/or judgemental of others.[/p][/quote]Pubs are a major focus for community engagement with alcohol as are the supermarkets ans small shops the sell such mind altering beverages. There appears to be a welcome trend in pub and night club closures which I and others celebrate and encourage. Shops are proving a little more difficult to restrain but it is happening very, very slowly.. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -1

9:22am Thu 6 Feb 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.
The consumption of alcohol does not rely on pubs - especially those with responsible landlords. There are many other, cheaper, outlets for alcohol.

Just as the long-term fall in church attendance hasn't resulted in the fall of people being self-righteous and/or judgemental of others.
(Now with typos corrected)
Pubs are a major focus for community engagement with alcohol as are the supermarkets and small shops that sell such mind altering beverages.

There appears to be a welcome trend in pub and night club closures which I and others celebrate and encourage. Shops are proving a little more difficult to restrain but it is happening very, very slowly..
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.[/p][/quote]The consumption of alcohol does not rely on pubs - especially those with responsible landlords. There are many other, cheaper, outlets for alcohol. Just as the long-term fall in church attendance hasn't resulted in the fall of people being self-righteous and/or judgemental of others.[/p][/quote](Now with typos corrected) Pubs are a major focus for community engagement with alcohol as are the supermarkets and small shops that sell such mind altering beverages. There appears to be a welcome trend in pub and night club closures which I and others celebrate and encourage. Shops are proving a little more difficult to restrain but it is happening very, very slowly.. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -1

9:23am Thu 6 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.
The consumption of alcohol does not rely on pubs - especially those with responsible landlords. There are many other, cheaper, outlets for alcohol.

Just as the long-term fall in church attendance hasn't resulted in the fall of people being self-righteous and/or judgemental of others.
Pubs are a major focus for community engagement with alcohol as are the supermarkets ans small shops the sell such mind altering beverages. There appears to be a welcome trend in pub and night club closures which I and others celebrate and encourage. Shops are proving a little more difficult to restrain but it is happening very, very slowly..
Let's clarify something. Are you wanting to criminalise all selling and consumption of alcohol?
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.[/p][/quote]The consumption of alcohol does not rely on pubs - especially those with responsible landlords. There are many other, cheaper, outlets for alcohol. Just as the long-term fall in church attendance hasn't resulted in the fall of people being self-righteous and/or judgemental of others.[/p][/quote]Pubs are a major focus for community engagement with alcohol as are the supermarkets ans small shops the sell such mind altering beverages. There appears to be a welcome trend in pub and night club closures which I and others celebrate and encourage. Shops are proving a little more difficult to restrain but it is happening very, very slowly..[/p][/quote]Let's clarify something. Are you wanting to criminalise all selling and consumption of alcohol? Nick Tessla
  • Score: 1

9:37am Thu 6 Feb 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.
The consumption of alcohol does not rely on pubs - especially those with responsible landlords. There are many other, cheaper, outlets for alcohol.

Just as the long-term fall in church attendance hasn't resulted in the fall of people being self-righteous and/or judgemental of others.
Pubs are a major focus for community engagement with alcohol as are the supermarkets ans small shops the sell such mind altering beverages. There appears to be a welcome trend in pub and night club closures which I and others celebrate and encourage. Shops are proving a little more difficult to restrain but it is happening very, very slowly..
Let's clarify something. Are you wanting to criminalise all selling and consumption of alcohol?
In my opinion, It is legalised in order to restrict its use and to try and minimise any civil criminal or personal damage, however this is not currently very effective as illustrated metaphorically as the insane seem to be in charge of the asylum as far as the legislators and scrutineers are concerned. Excessive use and mismanagement of its use is allready criminalising those who use alcohol on a regular basis.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.[/p][/quote]The consumption of alcohol does not rely on pubs - especially those with responsible landlords. There are many other, cheaper, outlets for alcohol. Just as the long-term fall in church attendance hasn't resulted in the fall of people being self-righteous and/or judgemental of others.[/p][/quote]Pubs are a major focus for community engagement with alcohol as are the supermarkets ans small shops the sell such mind altering beverages. There appears to be a welcome trend in pub and night club closures which I and others celebrate and encourage. Shops are proving a little more difficult to restrain but it is happening very, very slowly..[/p][/quote]Let's clarify something. Are you wanting to criminalise all selling and consumption of alcohol?[/p][/quote]In my opinion, It is legalised in order to restrict its use and to try and minimise any civil criminal or personal damage, however this is not currently very effective as illustrated metaphorically as the insane seem to be in charge of the asylum as far as the legislators and scrutineers are concerned. Excessive use and mismanagement of its use is allready criminalising those who use alcohol on a regular basis. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -1

9:43am Thu 6 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.
The consumption of alcohol does not rely on pubs - especially those with responsible landlords. There are many other, cheaper, outlets for alcohol.

Just as the long-term fall in church attendance hasn't resulted in the fall of people being self-righteous and/or judgemental of others.
Pubs are a major focus for community engagement with alcohol as are the supermarkets ans small shops the sell such mind altering beverages. There appears to be a welcome trend in pub and night club closures which I and others celebrate and encourage. Shops are proving a little more difficult to restrain but it is happening very, very slowly..
Let's clarify something. Are you wanting to criminalise all selling and consumption of alcohol?
In my opinion, It is legalised in order to restrict its use and to try and minimise any civil criminal or personal damage, however this is not currently very effective as illustrated metaphorically as the insane seem to be in charge of the asylum as far as the legislators and scrutineers are concerned. Excessive use and mismanagement of its use is allready criminalising those who use alcohol on a regular basis.
So is that yes or no? Simple enough question.

(Most people who drink on a regular basis do so sensibly and are not "criminalised" in any way)
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: It will deteriorate no doubt when the initial enthusiasm and the cash runs out. Pubs are closing fast at the moment to my delight and congruent with my views on temperance and the adverse effects of alcohol consumption within our local communities.[/p][/quote]The consumption of alcohol does not rely on pubs - especially those with responsible landlords. There are many other, cheaper, outlets for alcohol. Just as the long-term fall in church attendance hasn't resulted in the fall of people being self-righteous and/or judgemental of others.[/p][/quote]Pubs are a major focus for community engagement with alcohol as are the supermarkets ans small shops the sell such mind altering beverages. There appears to be a welcome trend in pub and night club closures which I and others celebrate and encourage. Shops are proving a little more difficult to restrain but it is happening very, very slowly..[/p][/quote]Let's clarify something. Are you wanting to criminalise all selling and consumption of alcohol?[/p][/quote]In my opinion, It is legalised in order to restrict its use and to try and minimise any civil criminal or personal damage, however this is not currently very effective as illustrated metaphorically as the insane seem to be in charge of the asylum as far as the legislators and scrutineers are concerned. Excessive use and mismanagement of its use is allready criminalising those who use alcohol on a regular basis.[/p][/quote]So is that yes or no? Simple enough question. (Most people who drink on a regular basis do so sensibly and are not "criminalised" in any way) Nick Tessla
  • Score: 1

9:50am Thu 6 Feb 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Nick, I considered your simple question as irrelevant.
Nick, I considered your simple question as irrelevant. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -2

9:59am Thu 6 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick, I considered your simple question as irrelevant.
A discussion on the "demon drink" and its supply to, and consumption by the populace, of that drink, and you regard your belief (or otherwise) in banning it irrelevant? ......Bizarre!

Come on nail your colours to the flag, don't hide your light under a bushel , spill the beans ....choose your own metaphor, just answer the question.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: Nick, I considered your simple question as irrelevant.[/p][/quote]A discussion on the "demon drink" and its supply to, and consumption by the populace, of that drink, and you regard your belief (or otherwise) in banning it irrelevant? ......Bizarre! Come on nail your colours to the flag, don't hide your light under a bushel , spill the beans ....choose your own metaphor, just answer the question. Nick Tessla
  • Score: 2

10:00am Thu 6 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick, I considered your simple question as irrelevant.
A discussion on the "demon drink" and its supply to, and consumption by the populace, of that drink, and you regard your belief (or otherwise) in banning it irrelevant? ......Bizarre!

Come on nail your colours to the mast, don't hide your light under a bushel , spill the beans ....choose your own metaphor, just answer the question.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: Nick, I considered your simple question as irrelevant.[/p][/quote]A discussion on the "demon drink" and its supply to, and consumption by the populace, of that drink, and you regard your belief (or otherwise) in banning it irrelevant? ......Bizarre! Come on nail your colours to the mast, don't hide your light under a bushel , spill the beans ....choose your own metaphor, just answer the question. Nick Tessla
  • Score: 2

10:35am Thu 6 Feb 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick, I considered your simple question as irrelevant.
A discussion on the "demon drink" and its supply to, and consumption by the populace, of that drink, and you regard your belief (or otherwise) in banning it irrelevant? ......Bizarre!

Come on nail your colours to the mast, don't hide your light under a bushel , spill the beans ....choose your own metaphor, just answer the question.
I could envisage the banning and prohibition of unnecessary alcohol however likely or unlikely it may be.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: Nick, I considered your simple question as irrelevant.[/p][/quote]A discussion on the "demon drink" and its supply to, and consumption by the populace, of that drink, and you regard your belief (or otherwise) in banning it irrelevant? ......Bizarre! Come on nail your colours to the mast, don't hide your light under a bushel , spill the beans ....choose your own metaphor, just answer the question.[/p][/quote]I could envisage the banning and prohibition of unnecessary alcohol however likely or unlikely it may be. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -2

10:41am Thu 6 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

What do you mean by unnecessary alcohol?

What would you regard as necessary - altar wine I suppose.
What do you mean by unnecessary alcohol? What would you regard as necessary - altar wine I suppose. Nick Tessla
  • Score: 2

11:35am Thu 6 Feb 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
What do you mean by unnecessary alcohol?

What would you regard as necessary - altar wine I suppose.
I understand that pure alcohol is used for industrial and medical processes and for necessary purposes. Additionally unnecessary alcohol is abused, used in excess and adversely disrupts family life and blights a lot of communities in my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: What do you mean by unnecessary alcohol? What would you regard as necessary - altar wine I suppose.[/p][/quote]I understand that pure alcohol is used for industrial and medical processes and for necessary purposes. Additionally unnecessary alcohol is abused, used in excess and adversely disrupts family life and blights a lot of communities in my opinion. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -1

1:07pm Thu 6 Feb 14

PageA says...

Drink Less they tells us...
Do more exercise they tells us...
Spend more time with our families they tells us...
Dont smoke they tells us...
Less money they gives us..
Higher food and energy bills they gives us...
Eat and Drink less sugar they tells us...
Sit down less they tells us....
People fighting they shows us...
Go to Pubs More they tells us..
Drink Less they tells us... Do more exercise they tells us... Spend more time with our families they tells us... Dont smoke they tells us... Less money they gives us.. Higher food and energy bills they gives us... Eat and Drink less sugar they tells us... Sit down less they tells us.... People fighting they shows us... Go to Pubs More they tells us.. PageA
  • Score: 0

1:47pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
What do you mean by unnecessary alcohol?

What would you regard as necessary - altar wine I suppose.
I understand that pure alcohol is used for industrial and medical processes and for necessary purposes. Additionally unnecessary alcohol is abused, used in excess and adversely disrupts family life and blights a lot of communities in my opinion.
So you would criminalise all those who produce, sell and consume alcohol.

Throw out all those who work in brewing and distilling, destroy the major export industry in scotch and twin Burton on Trent with Tehran.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: What do you mean by unnecessary alcohol? What would you regard as necessary - altar wine I suppose.[/p][/quote]I understand that pure alcohol is used for industrial and medical processes and for necessary purposes. Additionally unnecessary alcohol is abused, used in excess and adversely disrupts family life and blights a lot of communities in my opinion.[/p][/quote]So you would criminalise all those who produce, sell and consume alcohol. Throw out all those who work in brewing and distilling, destroy the major export industry in scotch and twin Burton on Trent with Tehran. Nick Tessla
  • Score: 2

1:52pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

By alcohol I meant alcoholic drinks, don't want you misinterpreting that.
By alcohol I meant alcoholic drinks, don't want you misinterpreting that. Nick Tessla
  • Score: 0

4:18pm Thu 6 Feb 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
What do you mean by unnecessary alcohol?

What would you regard as necessary - altar wine I suppose.
I understand that pure alcohol is used for industrial and medical processes and for necessary purposes. Additionally unnecessary alcohol is abused, used in excess and adversely disrupts family life and blights a lot of communities in my opinion.
So you would criminalise all those who produce, sell and consume alcohol.

Throw out all those who work in brewing and distilling, destroy the major export industry in scotch and twin Burton on Trent with Tehran.
They either appear to criminalise themselves or they become identified with those who have developed or displayed detrimental or even criminal tendencies while they were inebriated.

NicK Tessia wrote:
So you would criminalise all those who produce, sell and consume alcohol. Throw out all those who work in brewing and distilling, destroy the major export industry in scotch and twin Burton on Trent with Tehran.

This is your own words Nick and your opinion, not mine, additionally they are certainly not my suggeations.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: What do you mean by unnecessary alcohol? What would you regard as necessary - altar wine I suppose.[/p][/quote]I understand that pure alcohol is used for industrial and medical processes and for necessary purposes. Additionally unnecessary alcohol is abused, used in excess and adversely disrupts family life and blights a lot of communities in my opinion.[/p][/quote]So you would criminalise all those who produce, sell and consume alcohol. Throw out all those who work in brewing and distilling, destroy the major export industry in scotch and twin Burton on Trent with Tehran.[/p][/quote]They either appear to criminalise themselves or they become identified with those who have developed or displayed detrimental or even criminal tendencies while they were inebriated. NicK Tessia wrote: So you would criminalise all those who produce, sell and consume alcohol. Throw out all those who work in brewing and distilling, destroy the major export industry in scotch and twin Burton on Trent with Tehran. This is your own words Nick and your opinion, not mine, additionally they are certainly not my suggeations. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: -1

3:18pm Fri 7 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
What do you mean by unnecessary alcohol?

What would you regard as necessary - altar wine I suppose.
I understand that pure alcohol is used for industrial and medical processes and for necessary purposes. Additionally unnecessary alcohol is abused, used in excess and adversely disrupts family life and blights a lot of communities in my opinion.
So you would criminalise all those who produce, sell and consume alcohol.

Throw out all those who work in brewing and distilling, destroy the major export industry in scotch and twin Burton on Trent with Tehran.
They either appear to criminalise themselves or they become identified with those who have developed or displayed detrimental or even criminal tendencies while they were inebriated.

NicK Tessia wrote:
So you would criminalise all those who produce, sell and consume alcohol. Throw out all those who work in brewing and distilling, destroy the major export industry in scotch and twin Burton on Trent with Tehran.

This is your own words Nick and your opinion, not mine, additionally they are certainly not my suggeations.
You said you wanted to ban what you termed unnecessary alcohol - which can only mean alcoholic drinks, beer, wine, spirits, cider etc. - a ban would, by its nature criminalise those who produced, traded or possessed it.

Nothing to do with my opinion.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: What do you mean by unnecessary alcohol? What would you regard as necessary - altar wine I suppose.[/p][/quote]I understand that pure alcohol is used for industrial and medical processes and for necessary purposes. Additionally unnecessary alcohol is abused, used in excess and adversely disrupts family life and blights a lot of communities in my opinion.[/p][/quote]So you would criminalise all those who produce, sell and consume alcohol. Throw out all those who work in brewing and distilling, destroy the major export industry in scotch and twin Burton on Trent with Tehran.[/p][/quote]They either appear to criminalise themselves or they become identified with those who have developed or displayed detrimental or even criminal tendencies while they were inebriated. NicK Tessia wrote: So you would criminalise all those who produce, sell and consume alcohol. Throw out all those who work in brewing and distilling, destroy the major export industry in scotch and twin Burton on Trent with Tehran. This is your own words Nick and your opinion, not mine, additionally they are certainly not my suggeations.[/p][/quote]You said you wanted to ban what you termed unnecessary alcohol - which can only mean alcoholic drinks, beer, wine, spirits, cider etc. - a ban would, by its nature criminalise those who produced, traded or possessed it. Nothing to do with my opinion. Nick Tessla
  • Score: 1

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