Clr Chris Vobe suspended by Labour party (From Warrington Guardian)

It was only a matter of time, I trust his parents are really proud of their parenting prowess

CAUTION TROLLS FEEDING

Lets wait & see what the outcome of the enquiry is before we judge anybody. Dickemery is clearly a troll, we can see that from his previous comments, & it appears he now has an accomplice

Samantha1000 is clearly a supporter more like.

He was in his office the other day and he was shouting i dont think he was a happy bunny, I wonder if his computer was palying up they do tend to work slow or freeze every so often.

Why blame his parents ??... he's a grown man not 12 years old.

Cheshire Police said “The investigation remains in its early stages and enquiries are continuing.” - I have no interest either way and prefer to take the impartial statement of the Police at its face value than one from other quarters.

Richard65 wrote:
Indeed it appears the trol dickemery got banned so came back with dickemery47. Mods, can you keep an eye out for slander & personal attacks, the matter is being investigated by the policel lets reserve judgement.

"Clr Vobe declined to comment"...Well there's a first!

Looks like the silly little boy playing the grown-up's game has been found out, and mummy can't help him this time.

About time he got fetched down a peg or two.

dickemery47 says...
9:43pm Wed 10 Oct 12
I have Never been banded on here ever ,I have Never made libelous comments ever on here FACT .
This is a total mess for cllr Chris Vobe and this is a total embarrassment to Helen jones mp it does not make any difference what so ever if nothing comes of the police enquiry into what the report says are serious allegations ,the truth is mud sticks . are these the kind of politicians we want representing us ? That's the question that needs to be looked at .
Now I believe there is nothing in this comment that needs the "mod" to look at .au revoir

Oh you are awful, but i Like it.

local man wrote:
dickemery47 says...
9:43pm Wed 10 Oct 12
I have Never been banded on here ever ,I have Never made libelous comments ever on here FACT .
This is a total mess for cllr Chris Vobe and this is a total embarrassment to Helen jones mp it does not make any difference what so ever if nothing comes of the police enquiry into what the report says are serious allegations ,the truth is mud sticks . are these the kind of politicians we want representing us ? That's the question that needs to be looked at .
Now I believe there is nothing in this comment that needs the "mod" to look at .au revoir

Oh you are awful, but i Like it.

Now that's funny , it's my real name but I look more like les Dawson !

Reader wrote:
Why blame his parents ??... he's a grown man not 12 years old.

A grown man who believes in wasting time in council meetings getting motions passed saying people really like his mummy :-)

In th public interest , any investigation into these alleged activities HAS to include whether his mother, Helen Jones MP had any involvement in them or knowledge of them occurring. I feel sure she would welcome such an investigation as it would protect her reputation.

Nick Tessla wrote:
In th public interest , any investigation into these alleged activities HAS to include whether his mother, Helen Jones MP had any involvement in them or knowledge of them occurring. I feel sure she would welcome such an investigation as it would protect her reputation.

Do you really feel sure that Helen
Jones would welcome an investigation to include her or is that 'assertion' just to support your call for her to be included because of your personal dislike of the woman? I rather suspect it is.
In all her years as a representative of Warrington in the house, there as never been any suggestion of her stooping to the level of hacking so why do you imply now that she could be because of the actions of her loony son? It's a pound to a fingerful of snot that both she and her husband woud have severely reprimanded her son for his actions.

I will add that the alledged hacking is being investigated by the police, I have not seen any news that states Cllr Vobe has been charged with anything? Those people who are posting personal attacks against Cllr Vobe & Helen Jones MP, may have to face the fact that the allegation is unfounded?

Cleopatra wrote:

Nick Tessla wrote: In th public interest , any investigation into these alleged activities HAS to include whether his mother, Helen Jones MP had any involvement in them or knowledge of them occurring. I feel sure she would welcome such an investigation as it would protect her reputation.

Do you really feel sure that Helen Jones would welcome an investigation to include her or is that 'assertion' just to support your call for her to be included because of your personal dislike of the woman? I rather suspect it is. In all her years as a representative of Warrington in the house, there as never been any suggestion of her stooping to the level of hacking so why do you imply now that she could be because of the actions of her loony son? It's a pound to a fingerful of snot that both she and her husband woud have severely reprimanded her son for his actions.

My feelings (positive or negative) about Ms Jones are irrelevant, the fact remains that if these allegations are found to be true (and, yes, I accept that they are only allegations and the investigation is at an early stage) then , unless she is included in the process then , rightly or wrongly, there will always be a niggling doubt in people's minds.


I am not implying any involvement on her part - just pointing out what a lot of people will think should she not be included. For that reason she SHOULD welcome her inclusion in the process.

Nick Tessla wrote:

Cleopatra wrote:

Nick Tessla wrote: In th public interest , any investigation into these alleged activities HAS to include whether his mother, Helen Jones MP had any involvement in them or knowledge of them occurring. I feel sure she would welcome such an investigation as it would protect her reputation.

Do you really feel sure that Helen Jones would welcome an investigation to include her or is that 'assertion' just to support your call for her to be included because of your personal dislike of the woman? I rather suspect it is. In all her years as a representative of Warrington in the house, there as never been any suggestion of her stooping to the level of hacking so why do you imply now that she could be because of the actions of her loony son? It's a pound to a fingerful of snot that both she and her husband woud have severely reprimanded her son for his actions.

My feelings (positive or negative) about Ms Jones are irrelevant, the fact remains that if these allegations are found to be true (and, yes, I accept that they are only allegations and the investigation is at an early stage) then , unless she is included in the process then , rightly or wrongly, there will always be a niggling doubt in people's minds. I am not implying any involvement on her part - just pointing out what a lot of people will think should she not be included. For that reason she SHOULD welcome her inclusion in the process.

Ok, so please enlighten me, how do you know what a lot of people will be thinking? And what number out of a population of over 202,000 would constitute a lot of people in your opinion?

Cleopatra wrote:

Nick Tessla wrote:

Cleopatra wrote:

Nick Tessla wrote: In th public interest , any investigation into these alleged activities HAS to include whether his mother, Helen Jones MP had any involvement in them or knowledge of them occurring. I feel sure she would welcome such an investigation as it would protect her reputation.

Do you really feel sure that Helen Jones would welcome an investigation to include her or is that 'assertion' just to support your call for her to be included because of your personal dislike of the woman? I rather suspect it is. In all her years as a representative of Warrington in the house, there as never been any suggestion of her stooping to the level of hacking so why do you imply now that she could be because of the actions of her loony son? It's a pound to a fingerful of snot that both she and her husband woud have severely reprimanded her son for his actions.

My feelings (positive or negative) about Ms Jones are irrelevant, the fact remains that if these allegations are found to be true (and, yes, I accept that they are only allegations and the investigation is at an early stage) then , unless she is included in the process then , rightly or wrongly, there will always be a niggling doubt in people's minds. I am not implying any involvement on her part - just pointing out what a lot of people will think should she not be included. For that reason she SHOULD welcome her inclusion in the process.

Ok, so please enlighten me, how do you know what a lot of people will be thinking? And what number out of a population of over 202,000 would constitute a lot of people in your opinion?

There could be more allegations ! Just got the feeling that this story could run and run !

Also Cllr Vobe lives in Culcheth, Helen Jones MP most certainly spend most of her time in London.

You seem to have an unhealthy obsession with all things Vobe? To a point were a lot of your comments are off topic and are simply personal attacks because of his age and who his mother is.

Cleopatra - I base my comments on conversations I have had with people in Warrington.


I don't want to be accused of making unsupported statements but I imagine that your neighbours, in Cairo, have very little opinion on ( or interest in) the matter.


I would also point out that this is not an attack on Ms Jones nor am I suggesting she has done anything wrong.

but you are happy to make personal attacks at Cllr Vobe, and you reckon he is guilty as charged??

Richard Nixon wrote:
but you are happy to make personal attacks at Cllr Vobe, and you reckon he is guilty as charged??

I have at no point suggested he is guilty, that is for others to decide. His guilt or innocence is not relevant to my comments about the need to maintain public confidence.



I have to say that Richard Nixon is a great user name for anyone posting on a forum dealing with alleged political misdeeds :-)


Personal attacks - do you mean my remark about wasting council time getting a motion passed praising his mother?

you know exactly what I mean,

Guido fawkes is now on the case ! Next week The Sun or maybe Newsnight and paxman

Nick Tessla wrote:
Cleopatra - I base my comments on conversations I have had with people in Warrington. I don't want to be accused of making unsupported statements but I imagine that your neighbours, in Cairo, have very little opinion on ( or interest in) the matter. I would also point out that this is not an attack on Ms Jones nor am I suggesting she has done anything wrong.

First of all I am not in Cairo so don't try to suggest this matter is nothing to do with me and certainly my neighbours would have absolutely zero interest or opinion on the matter and I am not suggesting they would have.
I am Warrington born and bred with family and friends in Warrington. Therefore I retain an interest in my home town.
As for basing your comments on conversations you had with people in Warrington. Out of a population of 202,000 ( and I am pretty sure you have not discussed it with each and everyone) you may have discussed it with a handful of people and you could most likely discuss it with another handful of people and come to an entirely different conclusion.

dickemery47 wrote:

Cleopatra wrote:

Nick Tessla wrote:

Cleopatra wrote:

Nick Tessla wrote: In th public interest , any investigation into these alleged activities HAS to include whether his mother, Helen Jones MP had any involvement in them or knowledge of them occurring. I feel sure she would welcome such an investigation as it would protect her reputation.

Do you really feel sure that Helen Jones would welcome an investigation to include her or is that 'assertion' just to support your call for her to be included because of your personal dislike of the woman? I rather suspect it is. In all her years as a representative of Warrington in the house, there as never been any suggestion of her stooping to the level of hacking so why do you imply now that she could be because of the actions of her loony son? It's a pound to a fingerful of snot that both she and her husband woud have severely reprimanded her son for his actions.

My feelings (positive or negative) about Ms Jones are irrelevant, the fact remains that if these allegations are found to be true (and, yes, I accept that they are only allegations and the investigation is at an early stage) then , unless she is included in the process then , rightly or wrongly, there will always be a niggling doubt in people's minds. I am not implying any involvement on her part - just pointing out what a lot of people will think should she not be included. For that reason she SHOULD welcome her inclusion in the process.

Ok, so please enlighten me, how do you know what a lot of people will be thinking? And what number out of a population of over 202,000 would constitute a lot of people in your opinion?

There could be more allegations ! Just got the feeling that this story could run and run !

Helen Jones is a fanatical Labour supporter/opportunis
t ( hence her son is carrying on the tradition in Labour politics), and at all times is flagging the red flag to a degree of 'spinning' that is up with Alistaire Cambell and it would not be surprising if she knew what her son ( is alleged) to be involved in.

Again wait for the full facts to emerge.

I wonder why it is that some people are eager to attack Helen Jones at every opportunity (and heaven knows she gives them many opportunities) for being a keen mp and doing the job she was elected to do by her constituants?
Warrington has two mps but David Mowat is seldom heard about in this paper unless it is something to do with him playing with high speed trains. You think he cares about what is happening in Warrington? Yet he is not pulled to pieces for staying quiet and not seen to be doing much, if anything for his constituants.

Here is something to consider. Chris Vobe was elected in May 2012 and quickly gets stuck into issues raised at a local level by his constituents. It’s hardly surprising that top of the list is planning issues. As we know from the infamous Marton Close issue, that is referred to by Helen Jones MP, which resulted in the LGO report / destruction of records enquiry, and the current enforcement action at Petersfield Gardens in Culcheth, where another rogue developer is intent on breaking all the planning conditions on his foray into green belt (familiar story), HMS Gosling in Croft, and many more planning department injustices, clearly the planning department is top of his list of complaints to manage for residents. Now whereas Keith Bland did absolutely nothing about these issues, nor did Sue Bland. This is a fact and not a cheap shot at the Blands. You can easily check this out by searching the archives of the Warrington Guardian, Ketih & Sue Bland are no where to be seen on planning issues. Yet they had the Marton Close scandal & other planning related problems under their noses in Culcheth. They were 100% aware of the matter that is for sure.

Chris Vobe is determined not only to intervene on these issues, but also look beyond the symptoms, and get to the cause of the problem. That being a planning department & legal services department, that is out of control and quite possibly corrupt. Some people may not be aware of the powerful role legal services have within the planning department. It was also legal services that ran the independent inquiry (whitewash) into the destruction of records.

If there is something rotten within these two departments, and if there are councilors who are culpable, then it comes as no surprise, given the amount of exposure Chris Vobe is giving to this issue, and also Helen Jones MP, that they are being attacked. In the case of Chris Vobe it appears to have gone beyond smear campaign, and some people are trying to shut him down completely. There are some people who are getting very very twitchy, and I feel at some point the Police will get involved and there is a scandal waiting to be uncovered that may lead to arrests.

Richard, I thought the police were already involved, investigating whatever it is Mr Vobe as or has not done.

pnewsome wrote:
Richard, I thought the police were already involved, investigating whatever it is Mr Vobe as or has not done.

I was referring to a police investigation into the actions of those who destroyed Warrington’s planning register and covered it up. With regards to Cllr. Vobe, I can't imagine the police will be charging him, as they would have done so by now, and I am pretty sure supporters of the Cllr. doing the accusing would have been posting comments by now if Cllr. Vobe had been charged. I say this because posts about Cllr Vobe being suspended hit the Warrington Guardian long before the news of his suspension was posted.

Cleopatra wrote:
I wonder why it is that some people are eager to attack Helen Jones at every opportunity (and heaven knows she gives them many opportunities) for being a keen mp and doing the job she was elected to do by her constituants?
Warrington has two mps but David Mowat is seldom heard about in this paper unless it is something to do with him playing with high speed trains. You think he cares about what is happening in Warrington? Yet he is not pulled to pieces for staying quiet and not seen to be doing much, if anything for his constituants.

Helen Jones is always eager to pursue anything that will in her opinion favour her Labour party and help her cause to get it back into power.She is always in the process of denigrating any council action or public service where she thinks she can lay the blame at the feet of the current Coalition Government.You get no comments in the Guardian from her with regards to anything positive that is happening in Warrington for fear it will show the Coalition in some good light.She wears her red flag to prominently to be taken seriously as to being really concerned about the welfare of the town.

Helen Jones MP has been consistent in her critcism of our dysfunctional planners and their advisers, whichever party has been in power at the Town Hall. That is not pursuing something that will help the Labour cause.Nor is not flying the red flag. It is stating the blooming obvious, when all our local politicians are adopting the hear, see and speak no evil attitude on a service which is defective, defunct and delusive. You should ask why local politicians repeatedly soft pedal their treatment of a service which been the subject of a series of damning reports about its misleading and deceptive behaviour. Why are they unwilling to delve into the full extent and root causes of planning fiascos? You should ask if they have something to hide. Instead of making out Helen Jones is blaming the Coalition Government for a disreputable service no one here is prepared to get to grips with and knock some morality into.

Why is it then, that whenever any good news is reported happening in Warrington that could possibly reflect positively on the Coalition Government, for example the report by Hannah Bargery in the Guardian June 14th regards the £1.4m cash boost for the busy A & E department at our hospital and the reports of the improvements to the vascular surgery ward A4 she repeatedly 'soft pedals' by being very conspicuous with lack of comment?

Rowdie wrote:
Why is it then, that whenever any good news is reported happening in Warrington that could possibly reflect positively on the Coalition Government, for example the report by Hannah Bargery in the Guardian June 14th regards the £1.4m cash boost for the busy A & E department at our hospital and the reports of the improvements to the vascular surgery ward A4 she repeatedly 'soft pedals' by being very conspicuous with lack of comment?

I seem to recall Helen Jones was very upfront in her critcism on vascular services being moved away from Warrington. You seem to be willing to take Helen Jones to task but you ignore David Mowat's stony silence on the the obvious problems with the planners and their advisers?