Total Fitness closes

Total Fitness closes on Winwick Road

Total Fitness closes on Winwick Road

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TOTAL fitness on Winwick road has been closed with immediate effect, bosses say.

It is not yet clear why the gym has been suddenly shut down, although in a statement officials said the building has been sold by the landlord. 

“We apologise to all of our members.

“We will refund any outstanding membership fees.

“Any members that have paid annually in advance for their memberships will be contacted directly by us and those that wish to arrange a full refund of any outstanding payments will be able to do so.

“Members are invited to transfer their membership to any other Total Fitness with a 50 per cent reduction on their membership rate for the next six months.

“Our nearest clubs are Wigan, and Altrincham.

“We again apologise for this inconvenience.”

The premises will be vacated by Thursday, September 13.

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1:06pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Casual Postman of Orford says...

Not a surprise really. Charging up to 40 pound a month is too much especially in a recession!

Lloyds and DW will be next!
Not a surprise really. Charging up to 40 pound a month is too much especially in a recession! Lloyds and DW will be next! Casual Postman of Orford
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2:12pm Mon 3 Sep 12

kazrobo says...

The staff were on 6 month notice!
The staff were on 6 month notice! kazrobo
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2:27pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Daz@SankeyviaOrford says...

The whole group of companies relating to total fitness are worthless according to records shown at companies house .... Plus the orford park project would have been damaging .
The whole group of companies relating to total fitness are worthless according to records shown at companies house .... Plus the orford park project would have been damaging . Daz@SankeyviaOrford
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2:39pm Mon 3 Sep 12

nextdoor says...

Rumours are the lease was up for renewal but they couldn't afford it. It's been going downhill for a while, apparently many machines went unrepaired as they hadn't paid the bills. I think Pure may have damaged them more than Orford Park.
Rumours are the lease was up for renewal but they couldn't afford it. It's been going downhill for a while, apparently many machines went unrepaired as they hadn't paid the bills. I think Pure may have damaged them more than Orford Park. nextdoor
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2:47pm Mon 3 Sep 12

chunkymunky says...

nextdoor wrote:
Rumours are the lease was up for renewal but they couldn't afford it. It's been going downhill for a while, apparently many machines went unrepaired as they hadn't paid the bills. I think Pure may have damaged them more than Orford Park.
I agree, i think the raft of those who first left Total fitness for Pure gym hit them hard and orford park finished those off who like the pool!

I used to be a member here before i went to pure gym, total fitness was terribly over rpiced and as pointed out the last 12 month i was there things wasnt being repaired, the place was falling to bits etc

So im not surprised, its just a shame those who work there will have lost their jobs.
[quote][p][bold]nextdoor[/bold] wrote: Rumours are the lease was up for renewal but they couldn't afford it. It's been going downhill for a while, apparently many machines went unrepaired as they hadn't paid the bills. I think Pure may have damaged them more than Orford Park.[/p][/quote]I agree, i think the raft of those who first left Total fitness for Pure gym hit them hard and orford park finished those off who like the pool! I used to be a member here before i went to pure gym, total fitness was terribly over rpiced and as pointed out the last 12 month i was there things wasnt being repaired, the place was falling to bits etc So im not surprised, its just a shame those who work there will have lost their jobs. chunkymunky
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4:35pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Casual Postman of Orford says...

It's nothing to do with its poor equipment it's down to economics and total fitness fleeced the good folk of Warrington for over a decade.

Mark my words the next gym to go will be Lloyd once the 2nd recession kicks in!
It's nothing to do with its poor equipment it's down to economics and total fitness fleeced the good folk of Warrington for over a decade. Mark my words the next gym to go will be Lloyd once the 2nd recession kicks in! Casual Postman of Orford
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8:42pm Mon 3 Sep 12

the dr who says...

Come on, David Lloyd is jam packed every day mercs BMWs jags they have a different type of member, it wont close no chance

The staff knew nothing about this closure nothing at all,

And When pure gym opened it was 10 quid, now its 18 quid as soon as they realise some the competition has gone it will be up higher, and with no pools no sauna no hydrotherapy pool,I know which I would prefer you get what you pay for, you all wanted David Lloyd facilities at Pure Gym prices.

I must admit it needed a lot spending on the machines, but there is no way that a company could have been closed down with hours notice by the landlord unless they never paid the rent for a while, but it will be a gym again I think, but who will be the buyer ??
Come on, David Lloyd is jam packed every day mercs BMWs jags they have a different type of member, it wont close no chance The staff knew nothing about this closure nothing at all, And When pure gym opened it was 10 quid, now its 18 quid as soon as they realise some the competition has gone it will be up higher, and with no pools no sauna no hydrotherapy pool,I know which I would prefer you get what you pay for, you all wanted David Lloyd facilities at Pure Gym prices. I must admit it needed a lot spending on the machines, but there is no way that a company could have been closed down with hours notice by the landlord unless they never paid the rent for a while, but it will be a gym again I think, but who will be the buyer ?? the dr who
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9:37pm Mon 3 Sep 12

Casual Postman of Orford says...

Can't see it being a gym again, nobody on their right mind would take such a risk in the current financial climate, with the recession getting worse by the month.

The cheap and cheerful gyms and council run gyms will bd the ones who survive.
Can't see it being a gym again, nobody on their right mind would take such a risk in the current financial climate, with the recession getting worse by the month. The cheap and cheerful gyms and council run gyms will bd the ones who survive. Casual Postman of Orford
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9:46pm Mon 3 Sep 12

the dr who says...

Its already built pools are there all the infrastructure is there, its just going to be a rental between landlord and tenant, as long as they cover the costs it will work. Who says it cant be a cheap and cheerful cost if it changes hands,
They would not knock it down what for it would cost more to alter it to change its use than its worth,lets speak again in a few weeks and we will see who is right.
Its already built pools are there all the infrastructure is there, its just going to be a rental between landlord and tenant, as long as they cover the costs it will work. Who says it cant be a cheap and cheerful cost if it changes hands, They would not knock it down what for it would cost more to alter it to change its use than its worth,lets speak again in a few weeks and we will see who is right. the dr who
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10:46pm Mon 3 Sep 12

choperado says...

Turn it into a nightclub akin to Prince Harrys haunt in Vegas with a pool. None I know of around the Northwest have a pool. Could be a great attraction for out of towners and bring back the famous times of the Hitman and Herpes. I mean Her...
A boost for the economy, the hotels, the chemists...
Turn it into a nightclub akin to Prince Harrys haunt in Vegas with a pool. None I know of around the Northwest have a pool. Could be a great attraction for out of towners and bring back the famous times of the Hitman and Herpes. I mean Her... A boost for the economy, the hotels, the chemists... choperado
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8:38am Tue 4 Sep 12

nextdoor says...

PRIMARK!!!

(joke)
PRIMARK!!! (joke) nextdoor
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10:51am Tue 4 Sep 12

gerrumonside says...

The existing rent on the building was a staggering million quid a year......make that pay......??

its been bought by Pervaiz Naviede's company he's a rather rich property investor/developer originally from Manchester. Be interesting to see what they do with the building.
The existing rent on the building was a staggering million quid a year......make that pay......?? its been bought by Pervaiz Naviede's company he's a rather rich property investor/developer originally from Manchester. Be interesting to see what they do with the building. gerrumonside
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11:23am Tue 4 Sep 12

wheredougetureinfo? says...

all of the above rubbish.

been bought by a warrington developer.
all of the above rubbish. been bought by a warrington developer. wheredougetureinfo?
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11:50am Tue 4 Sep 12

Casual Postman of Orford says...

Where's Wire players gonna train now???

Maybe they will turn it back into a warehouse???
Where's Wire players gonna train now??? Maybe they will turn it back into a warehouse??? Casual Postman of Orford
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12:10pm Tue 4 Sep 12

gerrumonside says...

wheredougetureinfo? wrote:
all of the above rubbish. been bought by a warrington developer.
contact LPC then and get them to alter their news page...Total Fitness, Warrington....

Emeka Limited a ‘wholly owned company’ of the Guernsey based Pervaiz Naviede Family Trust has recently acquired the leisure investment known as Total Fitness on Winwick Road, Warrington.

The property is bought freehold and comprises a purpose built standalone leisure unit situated on the edge of Warrington, approximately 1 mile from junction 9 of the M62 motorway. Nearby uses include BMW and Fiat car showrooms, a Tesco supermarket and immediately adjacent is a new business park development.

The property is let to Total Fitness UK Limited for a term of 35 years from 28 November 2003 at an initial rent of £963,716 per annum. The lease is on FRI terms subject to 5 yearly rent reviews. There is a tenant only break at the end of year 25 (28 November 2028).
[quote][p][bold]wheredougetureinfo?[/bold] wrote: all of the above rubbish. been bought by a warrington developer.[/p][/quote]contact LPC then and get them to alter their news page...Total Fitness, Warrington.... Emeka Limited a ‘wholly owned company’ of the Guernsey based Pervaiz Naviede Family Trust has recently acquired the leisure investment known as Total Fitness on Winwick Road, Warrington. The property is bought freehold and comprises a purpose built standalone leisure unit situated on the edge of Warrington, approximately 1 mile from junction 9 of the M62 motorway. Nearby uses include BMW and Fiat car showrooms, a Tesco supermarket and immediately adjacent is a new business park development. The property is let to Total Fitness UK Limited for a term of 35 years from 28 November 2003 at an initial rent of £963,716 per annum. The lease is on FRI terms subject to 5 yearly rent reviews. There is a tenant only break at the end of year 25 (28 November 2028). gerrumonside
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12:19pm Tue 4 Sep 12

gerrumonside says...

wheredougetureinfo?

wheredougetureinfo? ??????????
wheredougetureinfo? wheredougetureinfo? ?????????? gerrumonside
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1:21pm Tue 4 Sep 12

nextdoor says...

Casual Postman of Orford wrote:
Where's Wire players gonna train now??? Maybe they will turn it back into a warehouse???
At their purpose built gym and facilities on Padgate Campus ... They only really used TF for swims and rehab, they will probably just go to Altringham or Wigan for that.
[quote][p][bold]Casual Postman of Orford[/bold] wrote: Where's Wire players gonna train now??? Maybe they will turn it back into a warehouse???[/p][/quote]At their purpose built gym and facilities on Padgate Campus ... They only really used TF for swims and rehab, they will probably just go to Altringham or Wigan for that. nextdoor
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2:46pm Tue 4 Sep 12

wheredougetureinfo? says...

LPC?

Recentely acquired and 'investment' ... but its shut down?! Hence, so the is no investment to acquire, as no income stream from a closed unit.
LPC? Recentely acquired and 'investment' ... but its shut down?! Hence, so the is no investment to acquire, as no income stream from a closed unit. wheredougetureinfo?
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3:20pm Tue 4 Sep 12

rayco8 says...

sorry to say thats incorrect as the new owners who bought the lease as correctly stated by gerrumonside are due the rent from total fitness uk ltd and thats now about 1 million p a payable to 2028 with 5 yearly reviews and no break clause

in other words total fitness uk have to get out of a sticky lease so maybe the rumours about gala bingo going in are true - but is it worth 1 million pa to gala to be there?
sorry to say thats incorrect as the new owners who bought the lease as correctly stated by gerrumonside are due the rent from total fitness uk ltd and thats now about 1 million p a payable to 2028 with 5 yearly reviews and no break clause in other words total fitness uk have to get out of a sticky lease so maybe the rumours about gala bingo going in are true - but is it worth 1 million pa to gala to be there? rayco8
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9:45pm Tue 4 Sep 12

Casual Postman of Orford says...

This could send TF under if true that they have to pay that much rent till 2028!

Mind you we won't be here then so it's not worth worrying about when the New World Order comes to power!
This could send TF under if true that they have to pay that much rent till 2028! Mind you we won't be here then so it's not worth worrying about when the New World Order comes to power! Casual Postman of Orford
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11:31pm Tue 4 Sep 12

aorange says...

I used to be a member there and I am really sad to see it being shut down.. I have tried PureGym and there is no comparison to be made. To me this was a well priced gym with a lot to offer, the only comparable option now is David Lloyd but the fees are ridiculous.

Can't comment on any 2nd recession speculations or "New World Order" **** though
I used to be a member there and I am really sad to see it being shut down.. I have tried PureGym and there is no comparison to be made. To me this was a well priced gym with a lot to offer, the only comparable option now is David Lloyd but the fees are ridiculous. Can't comment on any 2nd recession speculations or "New World Order" **** though aorange
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7:59am Wed 5 Sep 12

the dr who says...

aorange wrote:
I used to be a member there and I am really sad to see it being shut down.. I have tried PureGym and there is no comparison to be made. To me this was a well priced gym with a lot to offer, the only comparable option now is David Lloyd but the fees are ridiculous.

Can't comment on any 2nd recession speculations or "New World Order" **** though
i am glad to see someone recognised value, pure gym is cheap and chearfull, the new council one has more machines out of order after 6 months than total fitness had in years. i went around to see it the other day its a joke.
[quote][p][bold]aorange[/bold] wrote: I used to be a member there and I am really sad to see it being shut down.. I have tried PureGym and there is no comparison to be made. To me this was a well priced gym with a lot to offer, the only comparable option now is David Lloyd but the fees are ridiculous. Can't comment on any 2nd recession speculations or "New World Order" **** though[/p][/quote]i am glad to see someone recognised value, pure gym is cheap and chearfull, the new council one has more machines out of order after 6 months than total fitness had in years. i went around to see it the other day its a joke. the dr who
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8:14am Wed 5 Sep 12

MikeJT says...

Don't read too much into the length of the lease. Its not uncommon for very long leases like this to be gotten out of. Imagine the conversation. "Dear Mr Landlord, if we continue to pay £1m per annum in rent for this place, we will be bust within a year and you will at that point have to go out and find new tennant at probably a reduced rent and it will cost you time and money to advertise. We know somebody who wants to take over the building now for £1/2m pound for the next 20 years".

TF is a victim of what I call the "Woolworth effect". You dont change with the times, ignore what your competition are doing better and rely on the fact that people know your name.
Don't read too much into the length of the lease. Its not uncommon for very long leases like this to be gotten out of. Imagine the conversation. "Dear Mr Landlord, if we continue to pay £1m per annum in rent for this place, we will be bust within a year and you will at that point have to go out and find new tennant at probably a reduced rent and it will cost you time and money to advertise. We know somebody who wants to take over the building now for £1/2m pound for the next 20 years". TF is a victim of what I call the "Woolworth effect". You dont change with the times, ignore what your competition are doing better and rely on the fact that people know your name. MikeJT
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8:31am Wed 5 Sep 12

nextdoor says...

There was something in there about 5 yearly rent reviews? So one would be due in 2013?
There was something in there about 5 yearly rent reviews? So one would be due in 2013? nextdoor
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9:52am Wed 5 Sep 12

ExTFmember says...

I had been a member of Warrington total fitness for the last 5 years and initially it was great, but over the last 2 - 3 years the club has been run down, no investment in new equipment and very little maintenance. I don't think £40 a month is a lot to pay for a decent facility, which this once was. Just a shame that it was run into the ground by bad management. Still, I'm sure Warrington really needs another bingo hall or shopping centre, which is what this will most likely become.
I had been a member of Warrington total fitness for the last 5 years and initially it was great, but over the last 2 - 3 years the club has been run down, no investment in new equipment and very little maintenance. I don't think £40 a month is a lot to pay for a decent facility, which this once was. Just a shame that it was run into the ground by bad management. Still, I'm sure Warrington really needs another bingo hall or shopping centre, which is what this will most likely become. ExTFmember
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1:42pm Wed 5 Sep 12

rayco8 says...

if you check the companies house register total fitness 2010 ltd have not submitted any accounts at all and are very overdue, which will be a concern to the taxman no doubt

to pay £80,000+ per month in rent for this club they needed a minimum of 2000 full paying members just for the rent which is crazy and was unsustainable

next rent review is 2013 and it looks as though the whole operation is teetering on the brink of collapse

the guy who opened total fitness used to own kwik save and a few years ago he sold the whole lot to prudential for £80 million

prudential set the new rents at these crazy figures so apart from any bad management by total, the pru are to blame equally for demanding such high rents in these difficult times
if you check the companies house register total fitness 2010 ltd have not submitted any accounts at all and are very overdue, which will be a concern to the taxman no doubt to pay £80,000+ per month in rent for this club they needed a minimum of 2000 full paying members just for the rent which is crazy and was unsustainable next rent review is 2013 and it looks as though the whole operation is teetering on the brink of collapse the guy who opened total fitness used to own kwik save and a few years ago he sold the whole lot to prudential for £80 million prudential set the new rents at these crazy figures so apart from any bad management by total, the pru are to blame equally for demanding such high rents in these difficult times rayco8
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2:03pm Wed 5 Sep 12

roadrunner says...

TF was a good gym years ago, but i left for Puregym when it opened as TF was turning into an over priced joke. Pure gym is the best value gym out there, and thats why they are opening all over the country almost every month.
TF was a good gym years ago, but i left for Puregym when it opened as TF was turning into an over priced joke. Pure gym is the best value gym out there, and thats why they are opening all over the country almost every month. roadrunner
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4:08pm Wed 5 Sep 12

the dr who says...

but dont try to get any piece of equiptment during peak times at pure gym as you have no chance,
but dont try to get any piece of equiptment during peak times at pure gym as you have no chance, the dr who
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4:31pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Reader says...

It's getting like a constant free advertising campaign push for Pure on here and other places on the web where TP are mentioned. Members and staff unite ?
It's getting like a constant free advertising campaign push for Pure on here and other places on the web where TP are mentioned. Members and staff unite ? Reader
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5:28pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Casual Postman of Orford says...

Well there are a few choices of gyms in Wazza but all have ups and downs...

Pure gym is cheap but try going in there after work it's chockablock!

David Lloyd is well overpriced!

DW is past it's sell by date and in a bottleneck to get in and out of!

The village is a safe gym, but quite boring in terms of equipment.

Orford park is ok but will be wrecked within months by all reports of broken equipment not being fixed!

So there u go!
Well there are a few choices of gyms in Wazza but all have ups and downs... Pure gym is cheap but try going in there after work it's chockablock! David Lloyd is well overpriced! DW is past it's sell by date and in a bottleneck to get in and out of! The village is a safe gym, but quite boring in terms of equipment. Orford park is ok but will be wrecked within months by all reports of broken equipment not being fixed! So there u go! Casual Postman of Orford
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6:44pm Wed 5 Sep 12

the dr who says...

David Lloyd are doing a great deal at the moment if you take in your letter from TF they will give you a good deal under £40 quid a month for 12 months it will no doubt go up after 12 months but it gets you over the first year
David Lloyd are doing a great deal at the moment if you take in your letter from TF they will give you a good deal under £40 quid a month for 12 months it will no doubt go up after 12 months but it gets you over the first year the dr who
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6:53pm Wed 5 Sep 12

House captain says...

You pays your money........

Have to say that some reports or opinions are a bit misguided.

David Lloyd great if you want to pay that much.

Orford Park has top of the range Technogym equipment and never seen anything out of order or 'wrecked'? Doesn't have a big range of free weights but fine by me who prefers the CV stuff.

All gyms have their selling points but at £27 a month for everything (and am told that's the most you will pay as some memberships from £12!) Orford is great value.

Can't knock any of them really and like I say 'you pays your money'

Sorry to see TF go though for all the customers and the staff.
You pays your money........ Have to say that some reports or opinions are a bit misguided. David Lloyd great if you want to pay that much. Orford Park has top of the range Technogym equipment and never seen anything out of order or 'wrecked'? Doesn't have a big range of free weights but fine by me who prefers the CV stuff. All gyms have their selling points but at £27 a month for everything (and am told that's the most you will pay as some memberships from £12!) Orford is great value. Can't knock any of them really and like I say 'you pays your money' Sorry to see TF go though for all the customers and the staff. House captain
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7:42pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Casual Postman of Orford says...

If corporate gyms like Lloyd are doing offers then you know things are bad

Gyms are a luxury and in a recession we go back to the essential things.

I can see pure gym opening up another no thrills gym to cover the south of wazza, but things look very bleak in the leisure industry.
If corporate gyms like Lloyd are doing offers then you know things are bad Gyms are a luxury and in a recession we go back to the essential things. I can see pure gym opening up another no thrills gym to cover the south of wazza, but things look very bleak in the leisure industry. Casual Postman of Orford
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8:38pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Runner66 says...

Anyone who says TF was overpriced is not living in the real world.Yes it wanted updating + a lick of paint here + there but for £35 per month no gym came close for the price not to mention the Spa + pool facilities.As for David Lloyd at £76 per mth that is only going to attract the affluent type of member but in my own opinion i'd never pay over £50 a month let alone them extortionate prices.Pure is defo not for me so DW it is for the time being until something better springs up.Very sad to see TF go but as they say nothing lasts forever.
Anyone who says TF was overpriced is not living in the real world.Yes it wanted updating + a lick of paint here + there but for £35 per month no gym came close for the price not to mention the Spa + pool facilities.As for David Lloyd at £76 per mth that is only going to attract the affluent type of member but in my own opinion i'd never pay over £50 a month let alone them extortionate prices.Pure is defo not for me so DW it is for the time being until something better springs up.Very sad to see TF go but as they say nothing lasts forever. Runner66
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10:16pm Wed 5 Sep 12

Senceofreason says...

There seem to be some strange and clearly untrue comments about Orford Park gym. I have trained there 3 times a week since it opened and never seen a peice of kit out of order. The dr above - what's your angle? you went in the other day and all the equipment out of order was a joke. News to me and I am in all the time?
Also, it's not been open 6 months. It opened in May and still looks brand new with the brand new equipment.
Casual Postman "by all reports of broken equipment not being fixed" what reports? I've not seen any reports and not seen equipment out of order not being fixed.
I was a member of TF for years until they stopped investing in it a couple of years ago. It was run down and the staff tried there best with, I am sure, lots of frustration as the company struggled to pay rents and rates, constantly putting ridiculous expectations on them. Compared to Orford Park it was more expensive and these facilities are much better and much cheaper for a far better facility.
Also, Orford Park is not run by the council or staffed by council staff. It is run by Live Wire, a company like a trust, and the staff work for Live Wire, not the council anymore but in partnership with the council to deliver what they want like social inclusion, reduced rates for people on low income and benefits, community events etc etc. Does any other private gym in the town offer facilities to the less fortunate in the town? I think not.
I feel passionate about supporting Orford Park and defend it as a user and a local, not someone who has an alterior motive to write rubbish or comment without the facts.
There seem to be some strange and clearly untrue comments about Orford Park gym. I have trained there 3 times a week since it opened and never seen a peice of kit out of order. The dr above - what's your angle? you went in the other day and all the equipment out of order was a joke. News to me and I am in all the time? Also, it's not been open 6 months. It opened in May and still looks brand new with the brand new equipment. Casual Postman "by all reports of broken equipment not being fixed" what reports? I've not seen any reports and not seen equipment out of order not being fixed. I was a member of TF for years until they stopped investing in it a couple of years ago. It was run down and the staff tried there best with, I am sure, lots of frustration as the company struggled to pay rents and rates, constantly putting ridiculous expectations on them. Compared to Orford Park it was more expensive and these facilities are much better and much cheaper for a far better facility. Also, Orford Park is not run by the council or staffed by council staff. It is run by Live Wire, a company like a trust, and the staff work for Live Wire, not the council anymore but in partnership with the council to deliver what they want like social inclusion, reduced rates for people on low income and benefits, community events etc etc. Does any other private gym in the town offer facilities to the less fortunate in the town? I think not. I feel passionate about supporting Orford Park and defend it as a user and a local, not someone who has an alterior motive to write rubbish or comment without the facts. Senceofreason
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7:27am Thu 6 Sep 12

the dr who says...

Senceofreason wrote:
There seem to be some strange and clearly untrue comments about Orford Park gym. I have trained there 3 times a week since it opened and never seen a peice of kit out of order. The dr above - what's your angle? you went in the other day and all the equipment out of order was a joke. News to me and I am in all the time?
Also, it's not been open 6 months. It opened in May and still looks brand new with the brand new equipment.
Casual Postman "by all reports of broken equipment not being fixed" what reports? I've not seen any reports and not seen equipment out of order not being fixed.
I was a member of TF for years until they stopped investing in it a couple of years ago. It was run down and the staff tried there best with, I am sure, lots of frustration as the company struggled to pay rents and rates, constantly putting ridiculous expectations on them. Compared to Orford Park it was more expensive and these facilities are much better and much cheaper for a far better facility.
Also, Orford Park is not run by the council or staffed by council staff. It is run by Live Wire, a company like a trust, and the staff work for Live Wire, not the council anymore but in partnership with the council to deliver what they want like social inclusion, reduced rates for people on low income and benefits, community events etc etc. Does any other private gym in the town offer facilities to the less fortunate in the town? I think not.
I feel passionate about supporting Orford Park and defend it as a user and a local, not someone who has an alterior motive to write rubbish or comment without the facts.
My mate went there the other day Monday I think it was as we are looking at options and he told me loads of stuff was broken. I think you work there,you seem to be very defensive about it. I have no motives in my comments I just want a value for money service, if nothings broke then just say so no one needs your spouting stupid accusations about other peoples comments. I don't really care who does what or goes where, like other people are just trying to help people decide on options.
[quote][p][bold]Senceofreason[/bold] wrote: There seem to be some strange and clearly untrue comments about Orford Park gym. I have trained there 3 times a week since it opened and never seen a peice of kit out of order. The dr above - what's your angle? you went in the other day and all the equipment out of order was a joke. News to me and I am in all the time? Also, it's not been open 6 months. It opened in May and still looks brand new with the brand new equipment. Casual Postman "by all reports of broken equipment not being fixed" what reports? I've not seen any reports and not seen equipment out of order not being fixed. I was a member of TF for years until they stopped investing in it a couple of years ago. It was run down and the staff tried there best with, I am sure, lots of frustration as the company struggled to pay rents and rates, constantly putting ridiculous expectations on them. Compared to Orford Park it was more expensive and these facilities are much better and much cheaper for a far better facility. Also, Orford Park is not run by the council or staffed by council staff. It is run by Live Wire, a company like a trust, and the staff work for Live Wire, not the council anymore but in partnership with the council to deliver what they want like social inclusion, reduced rates for people on low income and benefits, community events etc etc. Does any other private gym in the town offer facilities to the less fortunate in the town? I think not. I feel passionate about supporting Orford Park and defend it as a user and a local, not someone who has an alterior motive to write rubbish or comment without the facts.[/p][/quote]My mate went there the other day Monday I think it was as we are looking at options and he told me loads of stuff was broken. I think you work there,you seem to be very defensive about it. I have no motives in my comments I just want a value for money service, if nothings broke then just say so no one needs your spouting stupid accusations about other peoples comments. I don't really care who does what or goes where, like other people are just trying to help people decide on options. the dr who
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10:09am Thu 6 Sep 12

gerrumonside says...

the dr who wrote:
Senceofreason wrote: There seem to be some strange and clearly untrue comments about Orford Park gym. I have trained there 3 times a week since it opened and never seen a peice of kit out of order. The dr above - what's your angle? you went in the other day and all the equipment out of order was a joke. News to me and I am in all the time? Also, it's not been open 6 months. It opened in May and still looks brand new with the brand new equipment. Casual Postman "by all reports of broken equipment not being fixed" what reports? I've not seen any reports and not seen equipment out of order not being fixed. I was a member of TF for years until they stopped investing in it a couple of years ago. It was run down and the staff tried there best with, I am sure, lots of frustration as the company struggled to pay rents and rates, constantly putting ridiculous expectations on them. Compared to Orford Park it was more expensive and these facilities are much better and much cheaper for a far better facility. Also, Orford Park is not run by the council or staffed by council staff. It is run by Live Wire, a company like a trust, and the staff work for Live Wire, not the council anymore but in partnership with the council to deliver what they want like social inclusion, reduced rates for people on low income and benefits, community events etc etc. Does any other private gym in the town offer facilities to the less fortunate in the town? I think not. I feel passionate about supporting Orford Park and defend it as a user and a local, not someone who has an alterior motive to write rubbish or comment without the facts.
My mate went there the other day Monday I think it was as we are looking at options and he told me loads of stuff was broken. I think you work there,you seem to be very defensive about it. I have no motives in my comments I just want a value for money service, if nothings broke then just say so no one needs your spouting stupid accusations about other peoples comments. I don't really care who does what or goes where, like other people are just trying to help people decide on options.
Hang on Dr if anyone is spouting its not the guy making a sensible post about the Orford park gym after attending it 3 days a week.

If I am to believe you, your mate told you that he visited it on a day you can’t remember and said loads of stuff was broke!!
yet earlier in the thread you yourself visited the gym 'the other day' and it was a joke with more things broken than TF had had in a year..........??

If anyone is trying to help people find alternative options it isn’t you……..
[quote][p][bold]the dr who[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Senceofreason[/bold] wrote: There seem to be some strange and clearly untrue comments about Orford Park gym. I have trained there 3 times a week since it opened and never seen a peice of kit out of order. The dr above - what's your angle? you went in the other day and all the equipment out of order was a joke. News to me and I am in all the time? Also, it's not been open 6 months. It opened in May and still looks brand new with the brand new equipment. Casual Postman "by all reports of broken equipment not being fixed" what reports? I've not seen any reports and not seen equipment out of order not being fixed. I was a member of TF for years until they stopped investing in it a couple of years ago. It was run down and the staff tried there best with, I am sure, lots of frustration as the company struggled to pay rents and rates, constantly putting ridiculous expectations on them. Compared to Orford Park it was more expensive and these facilities are much better and much cheaper for a far better facility. Also, Orford Park is not run by the council or staffed by council staff. It is run by Live Wire, a company like a trust, and the staff work for Live Wire, not the council anymore but in partnership with the council to deliver what they want like social inclusion, reduced rates for people on low income and benefits, community events etc etc. Does any other private gym in the town offer facilities to the less fortunate in the town? I think not. I feel passionate about supporting Orford Park and defend it as a user and a local, not someone who has an alterior motive to write rubbish or comment without the facts.[/p][/quote]My mate went there the other day Monday I think it was as we are looking at options and he told me loads of stuff was broken. I think you work there,you seem to be very defensive about it. I have no motives in my comments I just want a value for money service, if nothings broke then just say so no one needs your spouting stupid accusations about other peoples comments. I don't really care who does what or goes where, like other people are just trying to help people decide on options.[/p][/quote]Hang on Dr if anyone is spouting its not the guy making a sensible post about the Orford park gym after attending it 3 days a week. If I am to believe you, your mate told you that he visited it on a day you can’t remember and said loads of stuff was broke!! yet earlier in the thread you yourself visited the gym 'the other day' and it was a joke with more things broken than TF had had in a year..........?? If anyone is trying to help people find alternative options it isn’t you…….. gerrumonside
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2:51pm Thu 6 Sep 12

the dr who says...

who the hell asked you to defend the other person let them do it.you seem to accept that person is telling the truth who makes you capable of that,
who the hell asked you to defend the other person let them do it.you seem to accept that person is telling the truth who makes you capable of that, the dr who
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3:27pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Casual Postman of Orford says...

Apparently TF are offering cut price memberships at their gym in Wigan. As if you would wanna join now when they are in dire straits!
Apparently TF are offering cut price memberships at their gym in Wigan. As if you would wanna join now when they are in dire straits! Casual Postman of Orford
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4:50pm Thu 6 Sep 12

Senceofreason says...

Thanks gerrunonside. Actually no, I don't work there. I live very close and watched it being built. All my info I got from either reading about it or talking to staff, who I have got to know well over the last few months (some of them anyway). I went in this morning and nothing was out of order. And I really looked at everything today.
I do defend it. It is a good facility for the town and for the person who can't afford a membership to a private club and anyone can go in. My kids swim there for £1.00 during all public sessions - can you do that in a private club? I think not. Don't care if the dr went in or his friend told him, I do go in, I have seen it and dislike comments with no basis on the truth, fact or substance. If people don't know, don't comment or guess. If they do know then be able to back it up.
Casual Postman - I read that as well and totally agree. Don't know if those members at TF who had paid up front are getting refunds, hope so for their sake.
Thanks gerrunonside. Actually no, I don't work there. I live very close and watched it being built. All my info I got from either reading about it or talking to staff, who I have got to know well over the last few months (some of them anyway). I went in this morning and nothing was out of order. And I really looked at everything today. I do defend it. It is a good facility for the town and for the person who can't afford a membership to a private club and anyone can go in. My kids swim there for £1.00 during all public sessions - can you do that in a private club? I think not. Don't care if the dr went in or his friend told him, I do go in, I have seen it and dislike comments with no basis on the truth, fact or substance. If people don't know, don't comment or guess. If they do know then be able to back it up. Casual Postman - I read that as well and totally agree. Don't know if those members at TF who had paid up front are getting refunds, hope so for their sake. Senceofreason
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9:03pm Thu 6 Sep 12

House captain says...

'Lies, **** lies and statistics' .......

Seems like there are people on here with vested interests? Either that or very misguided?

Senceofreason appears to be a user at Orford Park so why would anybody not believe him or her? I can vouch for their comments as I use it myself and have never seen anything out of order.

Like I have said before, there are lots of gyms to choose from at all prices and all qualities. At the moment the value is Orford Park for me and if they keep it like that they it will have my custom. If it does go down hill I will move gyms. It's easy really and having competition is good for all potential users.

Whatever people think, or whatever their motives, let's keep it factual so this thread can offer advice :-)
'Lies, **** lies and statistics' ....... Seems like there are people on here with vested interests? Either that or very misguided? Senceofreason appears to be a user at Orford Park so why would anybody not believe him or her? I can vouch for their comments as I use it myself and have never seen anything out of order. Like I have said before, there are lots of gyms to choose from at all prices and all qualities. At the moment the value is Orford Park for me and if they keep it like that they it will have my custom. If it does go down hill I will move gyms. It's easy really and having competition is good for all potential users. Whatever people think, or whatever their motives, let's keep it factual so this thread can offer advice :-) House captain
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10:29pm Thu 6 Sep 12

chumhill says...

I go to pure gym, use to go fordton leisure before it closed but that was way dated and small. Pure gym is excellent value, about what i would say is right for the facilities. Its what it says on the tin its a pure gym, no swimming etc. As for the peak time comments, i agree its a little busy at peak times but then surely thats the sign of a healthy gym, very rarely is the equipment broken. Plus i go between 5 and 6 after work and although it is busy i can always get on the treadmills, bikes etc, never a shortage maybe a very short wait for the low numbered equipment but again not a show stopper. If your after access to a decent gym with good equipment and access 24/7 then pure gym is the best bet. If you want access to a pool etc then you will have to pay the higher prices. Unfortunately if the likes of David Lloyd dont lower their prices to something more reasonable then i cannot see them lasting more than a few years. Orford park gym sounds good, never been myself but i have a feeling when the "newness" of it all has worn away, then the kit will most likely fall into disrepair but thats just my speculation only time will tell i hope the trust keep it well maintained.
I go to pure gym, use to go fordton leisure before it closed but that was way dated and small. Pure gym is excellent value, about what i would say is right for the facilities. Its what it says on the tin its a pure gym, no swimming etc. As for the peak time comments, i agree its a little busy at peak times but then surely thats the sign of a healthy gym, very rarely is the equipment broken. Plus i go between 5 and 6 after work and although it is busy i can always get on the treadmills, bikes etc, never a shortage maybe a very short wait for the low numbered equipment but again not a show stopper. If your after access to a decent gym with good equipment and access 24/7 then pure gym is the best bet. If you want access to a pool etc then you will have to pay the higher prices. Unfortunately if the likes of David Lloyd dont lower their prices to something more reasonable then i cannot see them lasting more than a few years. Orford park gym sounds good, never been myself but i have a feeling when the "newness" of it all has worn away, then the kit will most likely fall into disrepair but thats just my speculation only time will tell i hope the trust keep it well maintained. chumhill
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7:47am Fri 7 Sep 12

the dr who says...

chumhill wrote:
I go to pure gym, use to go fordton leisure before it closed but that was way dated and small. Pure gym is excellent value, about what i would say is right for the facilities. Its what it says on the tin its a pure gym, no swimming etc. As for the peak time comments, i agree its a little busy at peak times but then surely thats the sign of a healthy gym, very rarely is the equipment broken. Plus i go between 5 and 6 after work and although it is busy i can always get on the treadmills, bikes etc, never a shortage maybe a very short wait for the low numbered equipment but again not a show stopper. If your after access to a decent gym with good equipment and access 24/7 then pure gym is the best bet. If you want access to a pool etc then you will have to pay the higher prices. Unfortunately if the likes of David Lloyd dont lower their prices to something more reasonable then i cannot see them lasting more than a few years. Orford park gym sounds good, never been myself but i have a feeling when the "newness" of it all has worn away, then the kit will most likely fall into disrepair but thats just my speculation only time will tell i hope the trust keep it well maintained.
your right about David Lloyd needing to change tack on prices, i joined the other day and at peak times it was almost empty i think about 15 to 20 people,it looks like they are trying to capture all the total fitness people, at £39.99 i would stay but after 12 months if you stay it goes up to 72.00 and it will be goodbye no chance of me paying that. they may have to decide on the type of person the want to atract over the next year to decide if they want more people paying less or less people paying more
[quote][p][bold]chumhill[/bold] wrote: I go to pure gym, use to go fordton leisure before it closed but that was way dated and small. Pure gym is excellent value, about what i would say is right for the facilities. Its what it says on the tin its a pure gym, no swimming etc. As for the peak time comments, i agree its a little busy at peak times but then surely thats the sign of a healthy gym, very rarely is the equipment broken. Plus i go between 5 and 6 after work and although it is busy i can always get on the treadmills, bikes etc, never a shortage maybe a very short wait for the low numbered equipment but again not a show stopper. If your after access to a decent gym with good equipment and access 24/7 then pure gym is the best bet. If you want access to a pool etc then you will have to pay the higher prices. Unfortunately if the likes of David Lloyd dont lower their prices to something more reasonable then i cannot see them lasting more than a few years. Orford park gym sounds good, never been myself but i have a feeling when the "newness" of it all has worn away, then the kit will most likely fall into disrepair but thats just my speculation only time will tell i hope the trust keep it well maintained.[/p][/quote]your right about David Lloyd needing to change tack on prices, i joined the other day and at peak times it was almost empty i think about 15 to 20 people,it looks like they are trying to capture all the total fitness people, at £39.99 i would stay but after 12 months if you stay it goes up to 72.00 and it will be goodbye no chance of me paying that. they may have to decide on the type of person the want to atract over the next year to decide if they want more people paying less or less people paying more the dr who
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9:33am Fri 7 Sep 12

Runner66 says...

Totally agree about David Lloyd being well overpriced when its almost got the same facilities as TF but if people want to pay that well good for them but i won't be 1 of them.Was thinking of going to the Village as that's £50 per month + from what i've read it's very good especially the spa area but for the time being i've just joined DW on a 6mth contract purely for practical reasons as i spend my weekends in Newcastle Under Lyme which also has a DW.Quite pleased with the gym apart from the mens changing room which is a little bit cramped but maybe i'm used to TF which had space in abundance.Was thinking of going Orford Park but will wait until the mad rush is over but would love another gym like TF in Warrington + i think that would have been a great opportunity for someone like Virgin or Bannantynes to set up but even they would have gasped at the price of that rent.
Totally agree about David Lloyd being well overpriced when its almost got the same facilities as TF but if people want to pay that well good for them but i won't be 1 of them.Was thinking of going to the Village as that's £50 per month + from what i've read it's very good especially the spa area but for the time being i've just joined DW on a 6mth contract purely for practical reasons as i spend my weekends in Newcastle Under Lyme which also has a DW.Quite pleased with the gym apart from the mens changing room which is a little bit cramped but maybe i'm used to TF which had space in abundance.Was thinking of going Orford Park but will wait until the mad rush is over but would love another gym like TF in Warrington + i think that would have been a great opportunity for someone like Virgin or Bannantynes to set up but even they would have gasped at the price of that rent. Runner66
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12:43pm Fri 7 Sep 12

nextdoor says...

The Village keep texting me with offers, it may be worth ringing them and asking them what their current deals are. I used to go there but I quit as it got too expensive (and I had to pay £3 to use a towel when hotel guests got it free!). I used to love the toning equipment, especially when I damaged my back. I'd go back in a heartbeat if they dropped it back down to £38 a month.
The Village keep texting me with offers, it may be worth ringing them and asking them what their current deals are. I used to go there but I quit as it got too expensive (and I had to pay £3 to use a towel when hotel guests got it free!). I used to love the toning equipment, especially when I damaged my back. I'd go back in a heartbeat if they dropped it back down to £38 a month. nextdoor
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2:54pm Fri 7 Sep 12

Runner66 says...

Can't see the village dropping their membership as they would be flooded with people including me but it's probably the gym i'll end up if DW doesn't grow on me after 6mths.Am sure they do a special membership for people who only go 3-4 times a week whereby the monthly fee is somewhere around £25 then you pay £5 every visit so very worthwhile for the not so regular visitor.Funny as they don't have the prices on the website like most others do.
Can't see the village dropping their membership as they would be flooded with people including me but it's probably the gym i'll end up if DW doesn't grow on me after 6mths.Am sure they do a special membership for people who only go 3-4 times a week whereby the monthly fee is somewhere around £25 then you pay £5 every visit so very worthwhile for the not so regular visitor.Funny as they don't have the prices on the website like most others do. Runner66
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4:38pm Fri 7 Sep 12

Runner66 says...

Forget my last post as my calculations were wrong regarding the Village as 12 x £5 monthly visits = £60 + £25 fee so well in excess of £85 per month so better just getting the standard membership at £50.Now that would be an expensive gym.
Forget my last post as my calculations were wrong regarding the Village as 12 x £5 monthly visits = £60 + £25 fee so well in excess of £85 per month so better just getting the standard membership at £50.Now that would be an expensive gym. Runner66
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9:54am Sat 8 Sep 12

wynnez says...

I have been a member of DW for many years & as I only swim decided to look at Orford Park as I was there for a Blood Test. How surprised was I that at 2pm the swimming pool was closed, what is the point of that. I pay £30 pm & can swim from 6am to 10 pm Mon - Fri & 8am to 8pm Sat & Sun. I can use any DW so mainly use Widnes or Leigh as well as Warrington Sorry Orford Park will not be getting my money. I still have not been able to find the actual pool opening times.
I have been a member of DW for many years & as I only swim decided to look at Orford Park as I was there for a Blood Test. How surprised was I that at 2pm the swimming pool was closed, what is the point of that. I pay £30 pm & can swim from 6am to 10 pm Mon - Fri & 8am to 8pm Sat & Sun. I can use any DW so mainly use Widnes or Leigh as well as Warrington Sorry Orford Park will not be getting my money. I still have not been able to find the actual pool opening times. wynnez
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6:00pm Sat 8 Sep 12

rayco8 says...

if you look on the orford park website you will see the pool opening times

i was these today and can say that the place is spotlessly clean and all equipment is working fine so its time people stopped all the rubbish about badly maintained equipment at orford park

people should also remember that when you join livewire you get access to all the livewire centres and the membership fee is cheap for all the facilities on offer across the town

if you want to work out in a warehouse join pure gym

if you want value for money livwire is in a different league
if you look on the orford park website you will see the pool opening times i was these today and can say that the place is spotlessly clean and all equipment is working fine so its time people stopped all the rubbish about badly maintained equipment at orford park people should also remember that when you join livewire you get access to all the livewire centres and the membership fee is cheap for all the facilities on offer across the town if you want to work out in a warehouse join pure gym if you want value for money livwire is in a different league rayco8
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3:33pm Mon 10 Sep 12

Worra says...

wheredougetureinfo? wrote:
all of the above rubbish.

been bought by a warrington developer.
The tenant was removed becaused of non payment of rent. and yes Yes wheredougetureinfo you are correct it has been bought by a Local Warrington property developer.
[quote][p][bold]wheredougetureinfo?[/bold] wrote: all of the above rubbish. been bought by a warrington developer.[/p][/quote]The tenant was removed becaused of non payment of rent. and yes Yes wheredougetureinfo you are correct it has been bought by a Local Warrington property developer. Worra
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5:05pm Mon 10 Sep 12

rayco8 says...

yes the tenant total fitness 2010 ltd lost the lease due to non payment of rent

below is the press announcement from lpc news

"Total Fitness, Warrington

Emeka Limited a ‘wholly owned company’ of the Guernsey based Pervaiz Naviede Family Trust has recently acquired the leisure investment known as Total Fitness on Winwick Road, Warrington.

The property is bought freehold and comprises a purpose built standalone leisure unit situated on the edge of Warrington, approximately 1 mile from junction 9 of the M62 motorway. Nearby uses include BMW and Fiat car showrooms, a Tesco supermarket and immediately adjacent is a new business park development.

The property is let to Total Fitness UK Limited for a term of 35 years from 28 November 2003 at an initial rent of £963,716 per annum. The lease is on FRI terms subject to 5 yearly rent reviews. There is a tenant only break at the end of year 25 (28 November 2028)."

check this @

http://www.lpc1.co.u
k/news.html

i rest my case
yes the tenant total fitness 2010 ltd lost the lease due to non payment of rent below is the press announcement from lpc news "Total Fitness, Warrington Emeka Limited a ‘wholly owned company’ of the Guernsey based Pervaiz Naviede Family Trust has recently acquired the leisure investment known as Total Fitness on Winwick Road, Warrington. The property is bought freehold and comprises a purpose built standalone leisure unit situated on the edge of Warrington, approximately 1 mile from junction 9 of the M62 motorway. Nearby uses include BMW and Fiat car showrooms, a Tesco supermarket and immediately adjacent is a new business park development. The property is let to Total Fitness UK Limited for a term of 35 years from 28 November 2003 at an initial rent of £963,716 per annum. The lease is on FRI terms subject to 5 yearly rent reviews. There is a tenant only break at the end of year 25 (28 November 2028)." check this @ http://www.lpc1.co.u k/news.html i rest my case rayco8
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5:16pm Mon 10 Sep 12

wheredougetureinfo? says...

This is an outdated post. and relates to there intial purchase. its been re-sold.

Use yet to be determined.
This is an outdated post. and relates to there intial purchase. its been re-sold. Use yet to be determined. wheredougetureinfo?
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5:25pm Mon 10 Sep 12

rayco8 says...

its on their website as breaking news so how is it outdated?

http://www.lpc1.co.u
k/news.html
its on their website as breaking news so how is it outdated? http://www.lpc1.co.u k/news.html rayco8
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12:17pm Tue 11 Sep 12

wheredougetureinfo? says...

The next story down in the "breaking news" section is this

(Pervaiz Naviede wins Developer of the Year award in Dubai

Pervaiz Naviede has won the Developer of the Year award at the internationally prestigious Vacation Ownership Conference 2008 in Dubai)

2008 ?! hardly breaking. I rest my case.
The next story down in the "breaking news" section is this (Pervaiz Naviede wins Developer of the Year award in Dubai Pervaiz Naviede has won the Developer of the Year award at the internationally prestigious Vacation Ownership Conference 2008 in Dubai) 2008 ?! hardly breaking. I rest my case. wheredougetureinfo?
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4:41pm Tue 11 Sep 12

mr dave k says...

i recon its.going to be knocked down and have a load of trade counter units on the site,just like kerfoot,which will be multi let and produce more than £950 k,its got a big car park which can be built on and planning would'nt be a issue
i recon its.going to be knocked down and have a load of trade counter units on the site,just like kerfoot,which will be multi let and produce more than £950 k,its got a big car park which can be built on and planning would'nt be a issue mr dave k
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4:41pm Tue 11 Sep 12

mr dave k says...

i recon its.going to be knocked down and have a load of trade counter units on the site,just like kerfoot,which will be multi let and produce more than £950 k,its got a big car park which can be built on and planning would'nt be a issue
i recon its.going to be knocked down and have a load of trade counter units on the site,just like kerfoot,which will be multi let and produce more than £950 k,its got a big car park which can be built on and planning would'nt be a issue mr dave k
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