Police attend suspected armed robbery (From Warrington Guardian)

They should have caught them! The Police station in Stockton Heath is directly opposite. The thieves most of been dim if they robbed a bank right near a Police station. Just shows that no where is safe.

I dont think its the robbers who are dim. Looks like its the police who are dim. Right on the doorstep. Too busy supping tea..

Brook Bond PG Tip,,,

007 PC Bond.

Yea good point. It is the Police Station for Warrington south so i would think it would be full of Police Officers who should of heard the alarm!

Or maybe all the officers were out of the station dealing with other incidents when it happened?

Or maybe they gained entry via the back as to not be in view of the station?

I was sat outside the Lion having a quiet pint with friends, most of us either had the phone on video mode or camera, if the police would like to have a look, they can get in touch on here, as not one came over to get a statement, too embarrassed at the response time I suppose.

it takes a while to get the speed cameras back into the car you know . and then get to the scene of real crime.

PadgatePaul wrote:
I was sat outside the Lion having a quiet pint with friends, most of us either had the phone on video mode or camera, if the police would like to have a look, they can get in touch on here, as not one came over to get a statement, too embarrassed at the response time I suppose.

Its people like you who make society what it is now.

If you have evidence of this why don't you go to the police. If nothing else do it for the victims of this.

Do you not think that the police had other things to do at the time. There's not an infinite number of them.

Let's hope your never the victim of crime and the witnesses have your attitude. Your a disgrace.

YoungLad88 says...
10:48pm Fri 1 Jun 12

Or maybe all the officers were out of the station dealing with other incidents when it happened?

Or maybe they gained entry via the back as to not be in view of the station?..........

What about the reception officer, was he out as well, The alarms are wired to the police station, The alarms go off at the front and rear of the bank.. Think about it or phone a friend.

Most of you lot are very supportive of the police! Almost as if you want them to fail at their job? You have NO idea what their jobs involve so how can you knock them? Maybe you are all lawyers or part of the well to do's in Warrington? Think not! Help them, don't berate them ignorantly.

old-codger wrote:
YoungLad88 says...
10:48pm Fri 1 Jun 12

Or maybe all the officers were out of the station dealing with other incidents when it happened?

Or maybe they gained entry via the back as to not be in view of the station?..........

What about the reception officer, was he out as well, The alarms are wired to the police station, The alarms go off at the front and rear of the bank.. Think about it or phone a friend.

Old-Codger, unfortunately alarms are not wired to the police & haven't been for many years. They will go through to a central alarm monitoring company who will then contact the police control room who then deploy officers via their radios. Not perfect but that's the system.

PadgatePaul wrote:
I was sat outside the Lion having a quiet pint with friends, most of us either had the phone on video mode or camera, if the police would like to have a look, they can get in touch on here, as not one came over to get a statement, too embarrassed at the response time I suppose.

Totally agree with the comment that if you feel you have any evidence on your phone then it's your public duty to take it to the police to assist rather than make smart arse comments on here. I take it you didn't feel brave enough to step in & help?

Turnaround wrote:
Most of you lot are very supportive of the police! Almost as if you want them to fail at their job? You have NO idea what their jobs involve so how can you knock them? Maybe you are all lawyers or part of the well to do's in Warrington? Think not! Help them, don't berate them ignorantly.

Maybe because they are never there when you need them, but they are always there to catch you speeding and petty crimes. I think they get their prioritys wrong most of the time.

old-codger wrote:
YoungLad88 says...
10:48pm Fri 1 Jun 12

Or maybe all the officers were out of the station dealing with other incidents when it happened?

Or maybe they gained entry via the back as to not be in view of the station?..........

What about the reception officer, was he out as well, The alarms are wired to the police station, The alarms go off at the front and rear of the bank.. Think about it or phone a friend.

'reception officer'!!!! Don't make me laugh. Due to cuts in the budgets the police station closes to the public at 5pm. You've obviously never tried to produce your documents there after 5 or on a weekday.

Don't worry though because the government will ensure that there will be no police stations at all outside the central one as they are closing them to sell off.

But it's ok because there won't be any bobbies to work in them as I read an article on this very website about 16,000 officers getting axed.

Where were the community support officers at the time? They are the ones who give out the speeding tickets now not the police. And parking tickets.

annie1275 wrote:

Turnaround wrote:
Most of you lot are very supportive of the police! Almost as if you want them to fail at their job? You have NO idea what their jobs involve so how can you knock them? Maybe you are all lawyers or part of the well to do's in Warrington? Think not! Help them, don't berate them ignorantly.

Maybe because they are never there when you need them, but they are always there to catch you speeding and petty crimes. I think they get their prioritys wrong most of the time.

Define 'petty crime'?

I'm sure if you were the victim of one of these 'petty crimes' you would be banging on about it and wanting the police to do something.

Or if your kid got knocked down by a speeding driver, how would you feel then?

Have a word with yourself love

Threeeggomlette wrote:

annie1275 wrote:

Turnaround wrote:
Most of you lot are very supportive of the police! Almost as if you want them to fail at their job? You have NO idea what their jobs involve so how can you knock them? Maybe you are all lawyers or part of the well to do's in Warrington? Think not! Help them, don't berate them ignorantly.

Maybe because they are never there when you need them, but they are always there to catch you speeding and petty crimes. I think they get their prioritys wrong most of the time.

Define 'petty crime'?

I'm sure if you were the victim of one of these 'petty crimes' you would be banging on about it and wanting the police to do something.

Or if your kid got knocked down by a speeding driver, how would you feel then?

Have a word with yourself love

I dont need a word with myself ..Mate...
Coppers are sh*t scared when it comes to confronting people,Just saying the speeders are an easy target.
When your house is getting robbed they dont even bother to come out,just give you a reference number for your insurance company.What a joke.

Quite right annie1275, My car got stolen and they just gave a number for the insurance company. No visit, Nothing. The same when my neighbour got burgled. But he did get a visit three days later from victim support. The police choose what crimes they turn out to. They are a wate of good space.

Have either of you ever asked yourself why nobody comes out? I'm fairly sure it's not cos the individual officers are scared. And I'm pretty sure they don't choose what crimes to come out to?

If my house was 'robbed' the police would come out.

You are both posting opinion based on no fact or evidence.

Perhaps you need to go and visit your local police station and peak to them to get an understanding of what happens. Then come back when you've got an informed opinion rather than just spouting rubbish in here.

It's easy be a keyboard warrior and I see it on this site all the tie against all public services. The people of this area need to appreciate what they've got rather than knock it all the time.

Petty crime,
Child drops ice scream cone out of pram, Mother gets spoken to like shi t as if its her fault,
Petty crime,
Putting england flags up to support your national team, Get spoken to like shi t because you may upset other religions,
Always someone there for petty crime, Nobody about for serious crime,
Both these examples are not criminal offences but police and attitude always present. Police officers are public servants, Paid by the public out of the public purse to uphold their public duty. WE DO NOT LIVE IN A POLICE STATE.

Threeeggomlette says...
8:47pm Sun 3 Jun 12...
You are both posting opinion based on no fact or evidence. ...
FACT... My car got stolen, Nobody came out.
FACT... My neighbour got burgled, Nobody came out...What FACT dont you understand ???.

Threeeggomlette says...
The people of this area need to appreciate what they've got rather than knock it all the time. We are not getting the service we pay for so what is there to be appreciated.

We are not getting the service we pay for so what is there to be appreciated.

I spoke to the police at the time, I was told that priorities take place when we are busy or short staffed. They are always busy or short staffed, Or sending almost 200 officers to London.

Threeeggomlette.
So you say the police would come out if your house was robbed?.How do you know that.Have you been robbed or are you a copper,or got a friend who's a copper...
Where I live the police station is never open to go in and pay a visit.
And its NOT the plastic police who give out speeding tickets,its the police who are stood there with the speed guns.They are another waste of public money as well.

old-codger wrote:
I spoke to the police at the time, I was told that priorities take place when we are busy or short staffed. They are always busy or short staffed, Or sending almost 200 officers to London.

Now here is a point which we do agree! Why as a tax payer of this borough should I pay for police to go to London

I'm none of the things listed however having had experience of residing in another place which could be described as lawless, I do have a huge appreciation for public services.

Annie1275, Your wasting your time with him, He thinks they will give him special treatment if HE gets burgled or robbed. The rest of us know how it relly goe,s.. He obviously has a close relationship with some form of police officer as he is ardent in defending them from criticisms. Other than that I have my own opinions about him, lol,.

annie1275 wrote:
Threeeggomlette.
So you say the police would come out if your house was robbed?.How do you know that.Have you been robbed or are you a copper,or got a friend who's a copper...
Where I live the police station is never open to go in and pay a visit.
And its NOT the plastic police who give out speeding tickets,its the police who are stood there with the speed guns.They are another waste of public money as well.

well it was a cso who did my neighbour. FACT

Define a petty crime annie

old-codger wrote:
Annie1275, Your wasting your time with him, He thinks they will give him special treatment if HE gets burgled or robbed. The rest of us know how it relly goe,s.. He obviously has a close relationship with some form of police officer as he is ardent in defending them from criticisms. Other than that I have my own opinions about him, lol,.

Like I said I'm none of the things listed. I've had one experience of the local police after my car was broken in to. It was a very good service.

I did define petty crime if you scroll upwards .

Petty crime,
Child drops ice scream cone out of pram, Mother gets spoken to like shi t as if its her fault,
Petty crime,
Putting england flags up to support your national team, Get spoken to like shi t because you may upset other religions,
Always someone there for petty crime, Nobody about for serious crime,
Both these examples are not criminal offences but police and attitude always present. Police officers are public servants, Paid by the public out of the public purse to uphold their public duty. WE DO NOT LIVE IN A POLICE STATE.

You must have lived in a one horse village with five houses and a police station... This is Warrington, The service here is almost none existant, I say almost just to be kind to them.

old-codger wrote:
You must have lived in a one horse village with five houses and a police station... This is Warrington, The service here is almost none existant, I say almost just to be kind to them.

Haha not exactly. No police around. Hence the lawless part.

Plus I was asking Annie to define petty crime since she brought it up. Your examples are not crimes (even by your own admission) so cannot be classed as petty crimes.

Petty Crime
A crime that is not serious, for example stealing things that are not very valuable....When supermarkets ring the police for shoplifters they are there in a flash,but when it comes to some serious crimes you wait forever.
l

They are by the police hence the attitude towards what happened, Cheshire police are a prime example of whats wrong with the police in this country. They dont investigate, They take statements and pass them on to the CPS. Then someone has to make a good script out of it for the courts. Thats why conviction rates are right down.

Managers at Tesco tell me the police wont prosecute shop lifters if the stolen goods amount to less than £100.00. One shoplifter has been arrested over 80 times in the Tesco store on winwick road and still not been to court.

old-codger wrote:
They are by the police hence the attitude towards what happened, Cheshire police are a prime example of whats wrong with the police in this country. They dont investigate, They take statements and pass them on to the CPS. Then someone has to make a good script out of it for the courts. Thats why conviction rates are right down.

Bring back the bobby on the beat, get out in the real world and tackle whats going on like it used to be, instead of sitting behind the wheel of a cop car..
The point is if its going out telling a few kids off for nic nacking on doors they can handle that,but when some poor souls getting robbed in there own home,they have to wait for a visit.

annie1275 wrote:
Petty Crime
A crime that is not serious, for example stealing things that are not very valuable....When supermarkets ring the police for shoplifters they are there in a flash,but when it comes to some serious crimes you wait forever.
l

but this crime still has a victim.

So what you are saying is that police and courts should ignore shoplifting.

Where does this end? Tesco etc may be able to take the loss but what about the small businesses?

Threeeggomlette wrote:

annie1275 wrote:
Petty Crime
A crime that is not serious, for example stealing things that are not very valuable....When supermarkets ring the police for shoplifters they are there in a flash,but when it comes to some serious crimes you wait forever.
l

but this crime still has a victim.

So what you are saying is that police and courts should ignore shoplifting.

Where does this end? Tesco etc may be able to take the loss but what about the small businesses?

Im not saying shoplifting should be ignored,what Im saying is they get their prioritys all wrong.
The shops are not as big a victim as the poor sod who's house is getting robbed and has to wait for the police to turn up..

ANYWAY, Back to the Stockton Heath suspected armed robbery. Armed with a sledgehammer means armed robbery nothing suspected about it. Stockton Heath police station is only manned after 5pm when the cells in Warrington and Runcorn are full, Like the old fire station I can see it going on the market soon to reduce costs due to government cuts now there is no pasty tax coming in...

old-codger wrote:
ANYWAY, Back to the Stockton Heath suspected armed robbery. Armed with a sledgehammer means armed robbery nothing suspected about it. Stockton Heath police station is only manned after 5pm when the cells in Warrington and Runcorn are full, Like the old fire station I can see it going on the market soon to reduce costs due to government cuts now there is no pasty tax coming in...

Anyway old codger Im going to bed, ive got my baseball bat at the side,so If i get robbed in the night i can defend myself,because by the time the police arrive I will probably have been done in.

Sock it to them Annie1275, Right round the earhole. If you hurt the burglar you will get a visit from the police to arrest you, Thats how it works in this country.

My house has been burgled and when I reported it the Police (The morning after) they came with in 1 hour and came back many times after. I think the Police do a fantastic job considering what is currently happening with redundancies and cuts to the force. Also I've been on a Police work experience week and we visited the control room and if any of you did you would find out that all 999 calls are responded to swiftly and effectively with serious crime given a 10 minute window in which to respond.
I only wish you people could get the opportunity which i had and you would see that the Police do a fantastic Job and have the publics interest always first. Even though the Police Officers which were looking after us on the week did raise the issue of how much time they are spending doing paper work instead of being on the 'beat'. Trust me they all want to be out there enforcing the law instead of being stuck inside but they have too.

Folks,
I am the Detective Inspector in the CID at Warrington and would like to thank the obvious support from the readers. I will also listen to the critism, assess whether it is justified and if there are improvements to be made I will ensure we will do what we can to improve. Unfortunately i may not be in a position to respond further due to current work commitments within the department over this weekend...... As you are aware a robbery occurred at the Nat West Bank in Stockton Heath on Friday afternoon. I have got a dedicated team of officers working around the clock trying to progress this investigation. Several female workers within the bank were confronted by masked men who threatened them with a sledge hammer before stealing cash and i am sure you will understand the victims are extremely shook up and upset following this unpleasant incident. Numerous persons have thankfully come forward and are being spoken to by my officers but i am sure there are others out there who had a good look at the offenders and may have even captured footage of the incident on their phones. I would appeal to those persons to please contact the Police on phone 101 and i will endeavour to arrange for a detective officer to speak with you asap as we are determined to catch these offenders. It would be inappropriate for me to respond in detail to many of the responses i have read whilst looking for information on the robbers but i will say that your local police are working extremely hard in improving the service we provide whilst having to do so with far less financial support - which will be the same in other public and private organisations across the country and we will not be looking to make excuses or generate sympathy but aiming at making improvements. There will be occassions when we have to priorise the more serious offences but will try and respond effectively to all reasonable requests. I currently run a dedicated team of officers who target house burglars and do so extremely well and we are the envy of departments throughout the region and even country but there will be times when we make a mistake or could have improved something. When i was a young detective starting out on the Warrington burglary team in January 1995 we had over 350 burglaries that month and have progressed ever since. Last month there were approximately 40 offences - but 40 too many as far as i am concerned.... I am very proud of the work we have done over the years in targeting local and travelling burglars and protecting householders but i doubt that i have saved that many lives... Believe me - stopping and preventing people from driving too fast can be a little frustrating at times but it saves lives !!
Thanks and please continue to assist us if you can...
DI Matt Durcan.

Well said

mattdurcs wrote:
Folks,
I am the Detective Inspector in the CID at Warrington and would like to thank the obvious support from the readers. I will also listen to the critism, assess whether it is justified and if there are improvements to be made I will ensure we will do what we can to improve. Unfortunately i may not be in a position to respond further due to current work commitments within the department over this weekend...... As you are aware a robbery occurred at the Nat West Bank in Stockton Heath on Friday afternoon. I have got a dedicated team of officers working around the clock trying to progress this investigation. Several female workers within the bank were confronted by masked men who threatened them with a sledge hammer before stealing cash and i am sure you will understand the victims are extremely shook up and upset following this unpleasant incident. Numerous persons have thankfully come forward and are being spoken to by my officers but i am sure there are others out there who had a good look at the offenders and may have even captured footage of the incident on their phones. I would appeal to those persons to please contact the Police on phone 101 and i will endeavour to arrange for a detective officer to speak with you asap as we are determined to catch these offenders. It would be inappropriate for me to respond in detail to many of the responses i have read whilst looking for information on the robbers but i will say that your local police are working extremely hard in improving the service we provide whilst having to do so with far less financial support - which will be the same in other public and private organisations across the country and we will not be looking to make excuses or generate sympathy but aiming at making improvements. There will be occassions when we have to priorise the more serious offences but will try and respond effectively to all reasonable requests. I currently run a dedicated team of officers who target house burglars and do so extremely well and we are the envy of departments throughout the region and even country but there will be times when we make a mistake or could have improved something. When i was a young detective starting out on the Warrington burglary team in January 1995 we had over 350 burglaries that month and have progressed ever since. Last month there were approximately 40 offences - but 40 too many as far as i am concerned.... I am very proud of the work we have done over the years in targeting local and travelling burglars and protecting householders but i doubt that i have saved that many lives... Believe me - stopping and preventing people from driving too fast can be a little frustrating at times but it saves lives !!
Thanks and please continue to assist us if you can...
DI Matt Durcan.

Believe me - stopping and preventing people from driving too fast can be a little frustrating at times but it saves lives !!Maybe sometimes,but be honest its all about the money money money.

It is all about money..
But I take on board what he said, As he has taken on board what we have said, We shall leave him to do his job and see if he makes any improvements. I also hope he will speak to his officers about their ( us and them ) attitudes as it turns people away from the police or helping them with their enquieries.

Threeeggomlette wrote:
Well said

"Ditto"

There was a lad acting suspicously in my neighbourhood, the police were called and within 5 minutes were driving around looking for him. There was an armed robbery at my local shop, someone I knew had a small piece of info but the detective on the case immediately rang them back to ask to speak to them face to face and show him what they saw. However small the info, it actually led to a conviction as he spotted something that the PO's hadnt due to them not knowing all details. I personally can't fault the police and urge anyone with any information on this to go to the police. Who knows, they may strike again and a member of your family or a friend could be caught up in it.

I think it time people should start supporting the police rather than continuously criticising them. As most people will have seen, the police and other services are being cut back to the bare minimum, so there is less staff doing the same amount of work as before. As for attitudes, I have found the attitude of officers to be what I expect, even when I was in the wrong, those who feel the police have bad attitudes are properly the ones who themselves have a bad attitude to officers, who are just doing what the public expect them to do, uphold the law. As for those who do not like the police ’targeting’ the innocent motorist, maybe if people didn’t exceed the speed limit which is there for a reason, they wouldn’t need to and could get on with other work, I personally support the police in this area, if an officer using a speed gun saves just 1 life, that’s 1 life worth saving. I know some of you will disagree and say it’s all money making rather than safety, but how many of you can say you have been effected by an ‘innocent’ motorist speeding, how many of you will have had a family member- bother/sister, son/daughter, mum/dad or friend knocked over, injured or by a speeding motorist who thought it was ok to go above the limit? Ask the police officer who has been to that accident and had to pick up the pieces or ask the family who lost their loved one due to a mindless motorist and will never see that loved one grow up etc, if it happens to you I’m sure you will experience the service you all want from the police but for the wrong reason, you may also understand why speed enforcement is needed. To go back to the original reason for this thread, it’s not the police who are wrong it’s the scum who think they can commit a crime like this and get away with it, give the police a break, help them tackle crime no matter how petty. And so you know I am not an officer but someone who has experienced a service from the police that I could not fault.

The Maestro wrote:
I think it time people should start supporting the police rather than continuously criticising them. As most people will have seen, the police and other services are being cut back to the bare minimum, so there is less staff doing the same amount of work as before. As for attitudes, I have found the attitude of officers to be what I expect, even when I was in the wrong, those who feel the police have bad attitudes are properly the ones who themselves have a bad attitude to officers, who are just doing what the public expect them to do, uphold the law. As for those who do not like the police ’targeting’ the innocent motorist, maybe if people didn’t exceed the speed limit which is there for a reason, they wouldn’t need to and could get on with other work, I personally support the police in this area, if an officer using a speed gun saves just 1 life, that’s 1 life worth saving. I know some of you will disagree and say it’s all money making rather than safety, but how many of you can say you have been effected by an ‘innocent’ motorist speeding, how many of you will have had a family member- bother/sister, son/daughter, mum/dad or friend knocked over, injured or by a speeding motorist who thought it was ok to go above the limit? Ask the police officer who has been to that accident and had to pick up the pieces or ask the family who lost their loved one due to a mindless motorist and will never see that loved one grow up etc, if it happens to you I’m sure you will experience the service you all want from the police but for the wrong reason, you may also understand why speed enforcement is needed. To go back to the original reason for this thread, it’s not the police who are wrong it’s the scum who think they can commit a crime like this and get away with it, give the police a break, help them tackle crime no matter how petty. And so you know I am not an officer but someone who has experienced a service from the police that I could not fault.

Well said. Attitudes towards the Police definitely need to be improved.

Police attitudes towards the public need to change as well, That way we should all get along together and help each other. I,m glad someone got good service from the police but not everyone gets it. Maybe we expect too much from them, I dont expect too much just the same amount of politeness as I give to them. I dont speed, I dont rob, I dont wish to be spoken to like a criminal just because my number plate bulb went whilst I was driving. A bit of give and take from both sides will work wonders.

OneLastTime wrote:

The Maestro wrote:
I think it time people should start supporting the police rather than continuously criticising them. As most people will have seen, the police and other services are being cut back to the bare minimum, so there is less staff doing the same amount of work as before. As for attitudes, I have found the attitude of officers to be what I expect, even when I was in the wrong, those who feel the police have bad attitudes are properly the ones who themselves have a bad attitude to officers, who are just doing what the public expect them to do, uphold the law. As for those who do not like the police ’targeting’ the innocent motorist, maybe if people didn’t exceed the speed limit which is there for a reason, they wouldn’t need to and could get on with other work, I personally support the police in this area, if an officer using a speed gun saves just 1 life, that’s 1 life worth saving. I know some of you will disagree and say it’s all money making rather than safety, but how many of you can say you have been effected by an ‘innocent’ motorist speeding, how many of you will have had a family member- bother/sister, son/daughter, mum/dad or friend knocked over, injured or by a speeding motorist who thought it was ok to go above the limit? Ask the police officer who has been to that accident and had to pick up the pieces or ask the family who lost their loved one due to a mindless motorist and will never see that loved one grow up etc, if it happens to you I’m sure you will experience the service you all want from the police but for the wrong reason, you may also understand why speed enforcement is needed. To go back to the original reason for this thread, it’s not the police who are wrong it’s the scum who think they can commit a crime like this and get away with it, give the police a break, help them tackle crime no matter how petty. And so you know I am not an officer but someone who has experienced a service from the police that I could not fault.

Well said. Attitudes towards the Police definitely need to be improved.

my opinion of the police is they see themselves above the law i know if for a fact. arrogant, and ignorant, change that and people will show some respect but not until then

all this police bashing and not one word about the ordeal the staff went through.The cashiers were left without any managers at the time of the robbery and were expected to be at work the following day without any counseling.Surely the bank has a duty of care towards its staff.