Bus passengers 'kicked in the teeth' over price hike - Tories say

Bus passengers 'kicked in the teeth' over price hike - Tories say

Bus passengers 'kicked in the teeth' over price hike - Tories say

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BUS passengers have been ‘kicked in the teeth’ by Network Warrington, it has been claimed.

The price increase by the bus company has been described as ‘unacceptable’ by councillor Sue Bland (Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft - CON) while Culcheth, Glazebury and Croft parish councillor Paul Campbell said he was ‘dismayed’ by the increase.

Clr Bland said: “Now we find that the bus company has yet again kicked the people of Warrington in the teeth with these unacceptable price increases.

“I will be contacting the chairman of the bus company to ask for an urgent meeting to discuss the whole matter of the future of travel by bus throughout Warrington.”

Clr Campbell added that he believes the people of Warrington deserve better.

He said: I am calling for an open and honest consultation with all stakeholders about the future of the bus company.

“The current set-up is not working - not for customers, not for staff who recently went on strike, and not for council tax payers who are losing money on all this.”

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12:30pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Karlar says...

Can they remember which party deregulated buses and bus services across the country, then failed to put in place a regulator to safeguard the interests of passengers?
Can they remember which party deregulated buses and bus services across the country, then failed to put in place a regulator to safeguard the interests of passengers? Karlar
  • Score: 8

1:09pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MikeJT says...

Unfortunately its hard to blame deregulation for the c0ck-up that is Network Warrington. Network Warrington is actually one of only 12 officially "publically owned" bus companies left in Britain.
Unfortunately its hard to blame deregulation for the c0ck-up that is Network Warrington. Network Warrington is actually one of only 12 officially "publically owned" bus companies left in Britain. MikeJT
  • Score: 5

2:11pm Wed 20 Aug 14

Karlar says...

MikeJT wrote:
Unfortunately its hard to blame deregulation for the c0ck-up that is Network Warrington. Network Warrington is actually one of only 12 officially "publically owned" bus companies left in Britain.
Wasn't seeking to blame their previous government's foibles directly for the current local bus fiasco merely reminding them that the Tories have little to crow about when it comes to our transport in all its many forms.
Where are the remaining "publicly owned" bus companies? How are they performing?
[quote][p][bold]MikeJT[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately its hard to blame deregulation for the c0ck-up that is Network Warrington. Network Warrington is actually one of only 12 officially "publically owned" bus companies left in Britain.[/p][/quote]Wasn't seeking to blame their previous government's foibles directly for the current local bus fiasco merely reminding them that the Tories have little to crow about when it comes to our transport in all its many forms. Where are the remaining "publicly owned" bus companies? How are they performing? Karlar
  • Score: 3

3:08pm Wed 20 Aug 14

cookie1974 says...

I think Network Warrington need to read their own Customer Charter!

http://www.networkwa
rrington.co.uk/custo
mer-charter
I think Network Warrington need to read their own Customer Charter! http://www.networkwa rrington.co.uk/custo mer-charter cookie1974
  • Score: 1

6:13pm Wed 20 Aug 14

fattyles says...

How many network warrington directors are associated with the conservative party the full list of directors are on network Warrington s website most are associated with teaching or lecturing none have a knowledge of public transport
How many network warrington directors are associated with the conservative party the full list of directors are on network Warrington s website most are associated with teaching or lecturing none have a knowledge of public transport fattyles
  • Score: 4

7:18pm Wed 20 Aug 14

MikeJT says...

Karlar wrote:
MikeJT wrote:
Unfortunately its hard to blame deregulation for the c0ck-up that is Network Warrington. Network Warrington is actually one of only 12 officially "publically owned" bus companies left in Britain.
Wasn't seeking to blame their previous government's foibles directly for the current local bus fiasco merely reminding them that the Tories have little to crow about when it comes to our transport in all its many forms.
Where are the remaining "publicly owned" bus companies? How are they performing?
Blackpool, Edinburgh, Ipswich, Halton, Nottingham, Cardiff, Reading, Newport, Rossendale, Swindon, Dumfries.

As regards how they are performing....all I can comment on is Nottingham bus service is, from my experience, excellent. Very heavily geared towards the universities, its reliable and cheap.
[quote][p][bold]Karlar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeJT[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately its hard to blame deregulation for the c0ck-up that is Network Warrington. Network Warrington is actually one of only 12 officially "publically owned" bus companies left in Britain.[/p][/quote]Wasn't seeking to blame their previous government's foibles directly for the current local bus fiasco merely reminding them that the Tories have little to crow about when it comes to our transport in all its many forms. Where are the remaining "publicly owned" bus companies? How are they performing?[/p][/quote]Blackpool, Edinburgh, Ipswich, Halton, Nottingham, Cardiff, Reading, Newport, Rossendale, Swindon, Dumfries. As regards how they are performing....all I can comment on is Nottingham bus service is, from my experience, excellent. Very heavily geared towards the universities, its reliable and cheap. MikeJT
  • Score: 4

10:25pm Wed 20 Aug 14

JonnyV says...

fattyles wrote:
How many network warrington directors are associated with the conservative party the full list of directors are on network Warrington s website most are associated with teaching or lecturing none have a knowledge of public transport
Good point. As labour is the administration they hold the majority of directorships. 1 conservative 1 lib dem 4 labour and 1 labour nominated chair. That gives 7 directors. And agree what is their expertise?
As Helen Jones said - the board needs a shake up and needs directors with expertise on it. But will that happen? Who knows.
[quote][p][bold]fattyles[/bold] wrote: How many network warrington directors are associated with the conservative party the full list of directors are on network Warrington s website most are associated with teaching or lecturing none have a knowledge of public transport[/p][/quote]Good point. As labour is the administration they hold the majority of directorships. 1 conservative 1 lib dem 4 labour and 1 labour nominated chair. That gives 7 directors. And agree what is their expertise? As Helen Jones said - the board needs a shake up and needs directors with expertise on it. But will that happen? Who knows. JonnyV
  • Score: 4

6:22pm Sat 23 Aug 14

Rex Mundi says...

MikeJT wrote:
Karlar wrote:
MikeJT wrote:
Unfortunately its hard to blame deregulation for the c0ck-up that is Network Warrington. Network Warrington is actually one of only 12 officially "publically owned" bus companies left in Britain.
Wasn't seeking to blame their previous government's foibles directly for the current local bus fiasco merely reminding them that the Tories have little to crow about when it comes to our transport in all its many forms.
Where are the remaining "publicly owned" bus companies? How are they performing?
Blackpool, Edinburgh, Ipswich, Halton, Nottingham, Cardiff, Reading, Newport, Rossendale, Swindon, Dumfries.

As regards how they are performing....all I can comment on is Nottingham bus service is, from my experience, excellent. Very heavily geared towards the universities, its reliable and cheap.
Political opportunism. How are council tax payers losing money on all this? There was a Conservative on the Board till he left the Council in May so presumably he supported the first round of fare rises and helped kicked people in the teeth.

I don't know how the other council-owned companies are doing, but I guess Network Warrington would like a big student population like Nottingham's 48000 students. More to the point, here's what private companies are like:
http://tinyurl.com/q
3otrys

http://tinyurl.com/m
a5nnsr

http://tinyurl.com/l
xflln5
[quote][p][bold]MikeJT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Karlar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]MikeJT[/bold] wrote: Unfortunately its hard to blame deregulation for the c0ck-up that is Network Warrington. Network Warrington is actually one of only 12 officially "publically owned" bus companies left in Britain.[/p][/quote]Wasn't seeking to blame their previous government's foibles directly for the current local bus fiasco merely reminding them that the Tories have little to crow about when it comes to our transport in all its many forms. Where are the remaining "publicly owned" bus companies? How are they performing?[/p][/quote]Blackpool, Edinburgh, Ipswich, Halton, Nottingham, Cardiff, Reading, Newport, Rossendale, Swindon, Dumfries. As regards how they are performing....all I can comment on is Nottingham bus service is, from my experience, excellent. Very heavily geared towards the universities, its reliable and cheap.[/p][/quote]Political opportunism. How are council tax payers losing money on all this? There was a Conservative on the Board till he left the Council in May so presumably he supported the first round of fare rises and helped kicked people in the teeth. I don't know how the other council-owned companies are doing, but I guess Network Warrington would like a big student population like Nottingham's 48000 students. More to the point, here's what private companies are like: http://tinyurl.com/q 3otrys http://tinyurl.com/m a5nnsr http://tinyurl.com/l xflln5 Rex Mundi
  • Score: 0

5:05pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Steve Parish says...

fattyles wrote:
How many network warrington directors are associated with the conservative party the full list of directors are on network Warrington s website most are associated with teaching or lecturing none have a knowledge of public transport
The Council-appointed non-executive directors have various relevant experience. I worked for British Rail for 6 years and am a member of the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport. The basic problem is that for reasons that we don't fully understand we (and most bus companies nationwide) have lost a lot of passengers - the price rises and reduced services are a response to that rather than the cause. In Network Warrington's case, we are reluctant to operate like the major operators and only run services that return profit margins of 10% or more. We could run only such routes - but of those we didn't run, nobody would run them without a subsidy from the Council, and the Council has already reduced its budget for non-commercial services.
There's a report out today on this from the Institute for Public Policy Research. Look for "Greasing the wheels" on the www. ippr.org website.
[quote][p][bold]fattyles[/bold] wrote: How many network warrington directors are associated with the conservative party the full list of directors are on network Warrington s website most are associated with teaching or lecturing none have a knowledge of public transport[/p][/quote]The Council-appointed non-executive directors have various relevant experience. I worked for British Rail for 6 years and am a member of the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport. The basic problem is that for reasons that we don't fully understand we (and most bus companies nationwide) have lost a lot of passengers - the price rises and reduced services are a response to that rather than the cause. In Network Warrington's case, we are reluctant to operate like the major operators and only run services that return profit margins of 10% or more. We could run only such routes - but of those we didn't run, nobody would run them without a subsidy from the Council, and the Council has already reduced its budget for non-commercial services. There's a report out today on this from the Institute for Public Policy Research. Look for "Greasing the wheels" on the www. ippr.org website. Steve Parish
  • Score: 0

8:06pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Karlar says...

Steve Parish wrote:
fattyles wrote:
How many network warrington directors are associated with the conservative party the full list of directors are on network Warrington s website most are associated with teaching or lecturing none have a knowledge of public transport
The Council-appointed non-executive directors have various relevant experience. I worked for British Rail for 6 years and am a member of the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport. The basic problem is that for reasons that we don't fully understand we (and most bus companies nationwide) have lost a lot of passengers - the price rises and reduced services are a response to that rather than the cause. In Network Warrington's case, we are reluctant to operate like the major operators and only run services that return profit margins of 10% or more. We could run only such routes - but of those we didn't run, nobody would run them without a subsidy from the Council, and the Council has already reduced its budget for non-commercial services.
There's a report out today on this from the Institute for Public Policy Research. Look for "Greasing the wheels" on the www. ippr.org website.
If railways require public subsidies, and there is no doubt they are receiving them despite the fare hikes on our franchised railways, why should we find it strange our bus services don't? In their way bus companies provide as much a service, albeit local, as do rail franchises.
Moreover, some rail franchises have gone cap in hand to the government when things have not worked out as they expected. Either because they were not making sufficient profits for their shareholders or because they were about to rack up significant losses. One rail company threw in the towel had their franchise taken back into public ownership recently, since then it has turned in a significant profit, but it is scheduled to be returned to private ownership.
What I am trying to say in a roundabout way is that bus companies should be subsidised by the government in order for them to maintain services on non commercial routes.
[quote][p][bold]Steve Parish[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fattyles[/bold] wrote: How many network warrington directors are associated with the conservative party the full list of directors are on network Warrington s website most are associated with teaching or lecturing none have a knowledge of public transport[/p][/quote]The Council-appointed non-executive directors have various relevant experience. I worked for British Rail for 6 years and am a member of the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport. The basic problem is that for reasons that we don't fully understand we (and most bus companies nationwide) have lost a lot of passengers - the price rises and reduced services are a response to that rather than the cause. In Network Warrington's case, we are reluctant to operate like the major operators and only run services that return profit margins of 10% or more. We could run only such routes - but of those we didn't run, nobody would run them without a subsidy from the Council, and the Council has already reduced its budget for non-commercial services. There's a report out today on this from the Institute for Public Policy Research. Look for "Greasing the wheels" on the www. ippr.org website.[/p][/quote]If railways require public subsidies, and there is no doubt they are receiving them despite the fare hikes on our franchised railways, why should we find it strange our bus services don't? In their way bus companies provide as much a service, albeit local, as do rail franchises. Moreover, some rail franchises have gone cap in hand to the government when things have not worked out as they expected. Either because they were not making sufficient profits for their shareholders or because they were about to rack up significant losses. One rail company threw in the towel had their franchise taken back into public ownership recently, since then it has turned in a significant profit, but it is scheduled to be returned to private ownership. What I am trying to say in a roundabout way is that bus companies should be subsidised by the government in order for them to maintain services on non commercial routes. Karlar
  • Score: 0

10:00pm Tue 26 Aug 14

Rex Mundi says...

The local authorities have that power but as local authority funds have been slashed by the coalition government, this is just another public service being cut. It's rural services, where the number of passengers is lowest, that are most at threat. One solution is a "taxi bus" - essentially a taxi running in bus timetables (at bus prices, and allowing bus passes).
The local authorities have that power but as local authority funds have been slashed by the coalition government, this is just another public service being cut. It's rural services, where the number of passengers is lowest, that are most at threat. One solution is a "taxi bus" - essentially a taxi running in bus timetables (at bus prices, and allowing bus passes). Rex Mundi
  • Score: 1
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