Warrington MP says ambulance service 'living in cloud-cuckoo land'

Helen Jones MP

Helen Jones MP

First published in News

NORTH West Ambulance Service Trust is ‘living in cloud-cuckoo land’ says Helen Jones MP.


The Warrington North MP slammed the agency after it sent out a letter explaining its five year plan.


Mrs Jones said: “This letter talks about a ‘good to great’ engagement programme and says that our ambulance service is good but aspires to be great.


“This is absolute rubbish. They are living in cloud-cuckoo land. Median response times for emergency cases are rising, we are threatened with the loss of an ambulance in Warrington and yet the trust has underspent its budget.


“What kind of planet are these people living on? Instead of producing Soviet style five year plans which, like most five year plans will never be fulfilled, why don’t they concentrate on delivering a decent service now.


“It is not good enough that people are waiting longer for emergency ambulances. It’s not good enough that they are planning to reduce the number of ambulances in Warrington.


“Give our great ambulance staff the tools they need to deliver a good service to patients instead of spending time producing rubbish telling us they aim to “cause no harm”.


“I’ve never met a paramedic who wanted to cause harm so we don’t need a plan for that. We need a plan to improve ambulance response times in the borough.“

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8:14pm Wed 11 Jun 14

local man says...

You tell 'em Helen, that's bound to be popular with the voters. How much did you claim in expenses last year by the way ?
You tell 'em Helen, that's bound to be popular with the voters. How much did you claim in expenses last year by the way ? local man
  • Score: 20

9:53pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Brick Bazooka says...

An ode to Helen...

Helen Jones, Helen Jones
She's the one that always moans.
It seems she's nothing better to do.
So she's moans and talks utter poo.
An ode to Helen... Helen Jones, Helen Jones She's the one that always moans. It seems she's nothing better to do. So she's moans and talks utter poo. Brick Bazooka
  • Score: 4

10:51pm Wed 11 Jun 14

Hungarian Pikey says...

Fantastic poetry Mister Bazooka you must have been up all night composing that little work of art, Had you considered she might just be right?
Fantastic poetry Mister Bazooka you must have been up all night composing that little work of art, Had you considered she might just be right? Hungarian Pikey
  • Score: -4

12:26am Thu 12 Jun 14

Brick Bazooka says...

Hungarian **** wrote:
Fantastic poetry Mister Bazooka you must have been up all night composing that little work of art, Had you considered she might just be right?
right or wrong the fact is, she moans an awful lot.

Her diary this week so far reads:

Sunday - day off
Monday - Moan about Queen speech plans
Tuesday - Plant poppy seeds.
Wednesday - Moan about ambulance service.

Not quite winning my vote based on that!
[quote][p][bold]Hungarian ****[/bold] wrote: Fantastic poetry Mister Bazooka you must have been up all night composing that little work of art, Had you considered she might just be right?[/p][/quote]right or wrong the fact is, she moans an awful lot. Her diary this week so far reads: Sunday - day off Monday - Moan about Queen speech plans Tuesday - Plant poppy seeds. Wednesday - Moan about ambulance service. Not quite winning my vote based on that! Brick Bazooka
  • Score: 8

9:19am Thu 12 Jun 14

Uncoded says...

How do brainless people like her get into such high power positions? She epitomizes everything that is wrong with politicians.
How do brainless people like her get into such high power positions? She epitomizes everything that is wrong with politicians. Uncoded
  • Score: 9

9:19am Thu 12 Jun 14

Melonfish says...

I believe the saying goes, "those who live in glass houses should not throw stones"
I believe the saying goes, "those who live in glass houses should not throw stones" Melonfish
  • Score: -3

2:13pm Thu 12 Jun 14

gazhopley says...

Isn't that being a bit hypocritical "Instead of producing Soviet style five year plans which, like most five year plans will never be fulfilled" unlike political party manifestos which are soviet style FOUR year plans which, like ALL manifestos will never be fulfilled... And the next bit is hilarious "why don’t they concentrate on delivering a decent service now." really Helen, that's coming from you!!!
Helen you are probably right but you are not the one who should be saying it.
Isn't that being a bit hypocritical "Instead of producing Soviet style five year plans which, like most five year plans will never be fulfilled" unlike political party manifestos which are soviet style FOUR year plans which, like ALL manifestos will never be fulfilled... And the next bit is hilarious "why don’t they concentrate on delivering a decent service now." really Helen, that's coming from you!!! Helen you are probably right but you are not the one who should be saying it. gazhopley
  • Score: 3

5:23pm Thu 12 Jun 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

Who employed this imbecile the biggest waste of space this country has ever had. Please sack her today the women does nothing for this town except pocket a large salary and moan about absolute garbish. Tackle poverty in the community, low wages, Council tax rises, huge fuel bill's including petrol just do something useful with your life. God I bet you wouldn't even ask a question in the houses of parliment without shaking like a useless weed in a garden. Helen Jones you fail in life and employment. Just please go away.
Who employed this imbecile the biggest waste of space this country has ever had. Please sack her today the women does nothing for this town except pocket a large salary and moan about absolute garbish. Tackle poverty in the community, low wages, Council tax rises, huge fuel bill's including petrol just do something useful with your life. God I bet you wouldn't even ask a question in the houses of parliment without shaking like a useless weed in a garden. Helen Jones you fail in life and employment. Just please go away. GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 10

9:43pm Thu 12 Jun 14

MikeJT says...

"We need a plan to improve ambulance response times in the borough.“

Maybe WBC could improve the roads so that the ambulance can actually "blues and twos" safely
"We need a plan to improve ambulance response times in the borough.“ Maybe WBC could improve the roads so that the ambulance can actually "blues and twos" safely MikeJT
  • Score: 2

11:01pm Thu 12 Jun 14

Hungarian Pikey says...

Improving the roads will make no difference to response times. Any town that has restricted road infrastructure because of a river and a canal will always suffer from congestion. Response times are a government set target. Any plan from the ambulance service will never be adhered to.
Improving the roads will make no difference to response times. Any town that has restricted road infrastructure because of a river and a canal will always suffer from congestion. Response times are a government set target. Any plan from the ambulance service will never be adhered to. Hungarian Pikey
  • Score: 4

10:20pm Fri 13 Jun 14

PageA says...

What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones
What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones PageA
  • Score: -2

12:00am Sat 14 Jun 14

PageA says...

ha ha! sorry Ambulance not ambience..
ha ha! sorry Ambulance not ambience.. PageA
  • Score: -1

12:02am Sat 14 Jun 14

Brick Bazooka says...

PageA wrote:
What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones
We don't want MPs (Helen Jones) to tell us what's wrong with the world. We want MP's that can provide solutions (and put them into action).

It wouldn't be difficult for any of us to do her job to this standard. Anyone can be a parasite!
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones[/p][/quote]We don't want MPs (Helen Jones) to tell us what's wrong with the world. We want MP's that can provide solutions (and put them into action). It wouldn't be difficult for any of us to do her job to this standard. Anyone can be a parasite! Brick Bazooka
  • Score: 4

6:41pm Sat 14 Jun 14

PageA says...

Brick Bazooka wrote:
PageA wrote:
What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones
We don't want MPs (Helen Jones) to tell us what's wrong with the world. We want MP's that can provide solutions (and put them into action).

It wouldn't be difficult for any of us to do her job to this standard. Anyone can be a parasite!
...Worst comment I've read for quite a while! You don't want MPs to speak about what's going wrong!! What you gonna do...give them the authority to takeover every department in the country at whim?? Face..palm
[quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones[/p][/quote]We don't want MPs (Helen Jones) to tell us what's wrong with the world. We want MP's that can provide solutions (and put them into action). It wouldn't be difficult for any of us to do her job to this standard. Anyone can be a parasite![/p][/quote]...Worst comment I've read for quite a while! You don't want MPs to speak about what's going wrong!! What you gonna do...give them the authority to takeover every department in the country at whim?? Face..palm PageA
  • Score: -2

1:55am Sun 15 Jun 14

Brick Bazooka says...

PageA wrote:
Brick Bazooka wrote:
PageA wrote:
What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones
We don't want MPs (Helen Jones) to tell us what's wrong with the world. We want MP's that can provide solutions (and put them into action).

It wouldn't be difficult for any of us to do her job to this standard. Anyone can be a parasite!
...Worst comment I've read for quite a while! You don't want MPs to speak about what's going wrong!! What you gonna do...give them the authority to takeover every department in the country at whim?? Face..palm
Worse comment I've read for a while too (re petty PageA).

It's fine for MPs to speak about what's wrong but we are all capable of that. Helen Jones just moans without proposing a fix. Perhaps she's scared her solutions would be ridiculed.
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones[/p][/quote]We don't want MPs (Helen Jones) to tell us what's wrong with the world. We want MP's that can provide solutions (and put them into action). It wouldn't be difficult for any of us to do her job to this standard. Anyone can be a parasite![/p][/quote]...Worst comment I've read for quite a while! You don't want MPs to speak about what's going wrong!! What you gonna do...give them the authority to takeover every department in the country at whim?? Face..palm[/p][/quote]Worse comment I've read for a while too (re petty PageA). It's fine for MPs to speak about what's wrong but we are all capable of that. Helen Jones just moans without proposing a fix. Perhaps she's scared her solutions would be ridiculed. Brick Bazooka
  • Score: 4

11:27am Sun 15 Jun 14

Allin1 says...

Realistically the whole service needs restructuring, jobs taken, paramedic arrives, job is a time waster ie drunk, cut on finger etc, paramedics have the say so to initiate a bill for said person, for wasting time, payment taken from benefits, wages, a real emergency gets treated & conveyed to hospital & not charged. This isn't rocket science & dosnt need some over paid mp, or managers, to see this. Also, the service is not classed as an emergency service like police & fire, ridiculous but true. But on another level, some amb services ie over paid desk sitters have no idea how to treat there staff, costing the services thousands as the staff they have ie control & road staff are run ragged to the point of melt down & stress, these people are tossed aside then deemed not suitable for the service, there is absolutely no loyalty to the staff at all, I would like to say I'm not saying this is in all amb services,
Realistically the whole service needs restructuring, jobs taken, paramedic arrives, job is a time waster ie drunk, cut on finger etc, paramedics have the say so to initiate a bill for said person, for wasting time, payment taken from benefits, wages, a real emergency gets treated & conveyed to hospital & not charged. This isn't rocket science & dosnt need some over paid mp, or managers, to see this. Also, the service is not classed as an emergency service like police & fire, ridiculous but true. But on another level, some amb services ie over paid desk sitters have no idea how to treat there staff, costing the services thousands as the staff they have ie control & road staff are run ragged to the point of melt down & stress, these people are tossed aside then deemed not suitable for the service, there is absolutely no loyalty to the staff at all, I would like to say I'm not saying this is in all amb services, Allin1
  • Score: 7

5:13pm Sun 15 Jun 14

PageA says...

Brick Bazooka wrote:
PageA wrote:
Brick Bazooka wrote:
PageA wrote:
What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones
We don't want MPs (Helen Jones) to tell us what's wrong with the world. We want MP's that can provide solutions (and put them into action).

It wouldn't be difficult for any of us to do her job to this standard. Anyone can be a parasite!
...Worst comment I've read for quite a while! You don't want MPs to speak about what's going wrong!! What you gonna do...give them the authority to takeover every department in the country at whim?? Face..palm
Worse comment I've read for a while too (re petty PageA).

It's fine for MPs to speak about what's wrong but we are all capable of that. Helen Jones just moans without proposing a fix. Perhaps she's scared her solutions would be ridiculed.
Yes Brick..but you're a no mark commentator in the local paper and she's an MP doing the job of an MP in my opinion
[quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones[/p][/quote]We don't want MPs (Helen Jones) to tell us what's wrong with the world. We want MP's that can provide solutions (and put them into action). It wouldn't be difficult for any of us to do her job to this standard. Anyone can be a parasite![/p][/quote]...Worst comment I've read for quite a while! You don't want MPs to speak about what's going wrong!! What you gonna do...give them the authority to takeover every department in the country at whim?? Face..palm[/p][/quote]Worse comment I've read for a while too (re petty PageA). It's fine for MPs to speak about what's wrong but we are all capable of that. Helen Jones just moans without proposing a fix. Perhaps she's scared her solutions would be ridiculed.[/p][/quote]Yes Brick..but you're a no mark commentator in the local paper and she's an MP doing the job of an MP in my opinion PageA
  • Score: -5

8:52pm Sun 15 Jun 14

Brick Bazooka says...

PageA wrote:
Brick Bazooka wrote:
PageA wrote:
Brick Bazooka wrote:
PageA wrote:
What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones
We don't want MPs (Helen Jones) to tell us what's wrong with the world. We want MP's that can provide solutions (and put them into action).

It wouldn't be difficult for any of us to do her job to this standard. Anyone can be a parasite!
...Worst comment I've read for quite a while! You don't want MPs to speak about what's going wrong!! What you gonna do...give them the authority to takeover every department in the country at whim?? Face..palm
Worse comment I've read for a while too (re petty PageA).

It's fine for MPs to speak about what's wrong but we are all capable of that. Helen Jones just moans without proposing a fix. Perhaps she's scared her solutions would be ridiculed.
Yes Brick..but you're a no mark commentator in the local paper and she's an MP doing the job of an MP in my opinion
No mark commentator? I'm doing the same as you, i.e. commenting. So surely that makes you equally a no mark commentator?

Anyway, you're getting personal, and as an obvious supporter of Labour and Helen Jones I've obviously got your back up.
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones[/p][/quote]We don't want MPs (Helen Jones) to tell us what's wrong with the world. We want MP's that can provide solutions (and put them into action). It wouldn't be difficult for any of us to do her job to this standard. Anyone can be a parasite![/p][/quote]...Worst comment I've read for quite a while! You don't want MPs to speak about what's going wrong!! What you gonna do...give them the authority to takeover every department in the country at whim?? Face..palm[/p][/quote]Worse comment I've read for a while too (re petty PageA). It's fine for MPs to speak about what's wrong but we are all capable of that. Helen Jones just moans without proposing a fix. Perhaps she's scared her solutions would be ridiculed.[/p][/quote]Yes Brick..but you're a no mark commentator in the local paper and she's an MP doing the job of an MP in my opinion[/p][/quote]No mark commentator? I'm doing the same as you, i.e. commenting. So surely that makes you equally a no mark commentator? Anyway, you're getting personal, and as an obvious supporter of Labour and Helen Jones I've obviously got your back up. Brick Bazooka
  • Score: 6

4:24pm Mon 16 Jun 14

PageA says...

Brick Bazooka wrote:
PageA wrote:
Brick Bazooka wrote:
PageA wrote:
Brick Bazooka wrote:
PageA wrote:
What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones
We don't want MPs (Helen Jones) to tell us what's wrong with the world. We want MP's that can provide solutions (and put them into action).

It wouldn't be difficult for any of us to do her job to this standard. Anyone can be a parasite!
...Worst comment I've read for quite a while! You don't want MPs to speak about what's going wrong!! What you gonna do...give them the authority to takeover every department in the country at whim?? Face..palm
Worse comment I've read for a while too (re petty PageA).

It's fine for MPs to speak about what's wrong but we are all capable of that. Helen Jones just moans without proposing a fix. Perhaps she's scared her solutions would be ridiculed.
Yes Brick..but you're a no mark commentator in the local paper and she's an MP doing the job of an MP in my opinion
No mark commentator? I'm doing the same as you, i.e. commenting. So surely that makes you equally a no mark commentator?

Anyway, you're getting personal, and as an obvious supporter of Labour and Helen Jones I've obviously got your back up.
Yes Brick, just like me.
No..I support people when they do something that I agree with. You havent got my back up and I'm not particularly a supporter of Helen Jones. But I am in this instance when she speaks out to improve the ambulance service for all of us. Criticising her for doing this is madness in my opinion
[quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: What I don't understand is ..how someone can be criticised for raising the issue that ambience times are too slow? I just don't get it. How can anyone on here possibly benefit from, the people who make decisions about the ambulance service, becoming complacent and providing bad service. Anyone who sees a problem with the NHS should be encouraged and supported in my opinion, regardless of their previous performance. One day it might be your family member that suffers because no one spoke out. Well done Helen Jones[/p][/quote]We don't want MPs (Helen Jones) to tell us what's wrong with the world. We want MP's that can provide solutions (and put them into action). It wouldn't be difficult for any of us to do her job to this standard. Anyone can be a parasite![/p][/quote]...Worst comment I've read for quite a while! You don't want MPs to speak about what's going wrong!! What you gonna do...give them the authority to takeover every department in the country at whim?? Face..palm[/p][/quote]Worse comment I've read for a while too (re petty PageA). It's fine for MPs to speak about what's wrong but we are all capable of that. Helen Jones just moans without proposing a fix. Perhaps she's scared her solutions would be ridiculed.[/p][/quote]Yes Brick..but you're a no mark commentator in the local paper and she's an MP doing the job of an MP in my opinion[/p][/quote]No mark commentator? I'm doing the same as you, i.e. commenting. So surely that makes you equally a no mark commentator? Anyway, you're getting personal, and as an obvious supporter of Labour and Helen Jones I've obviously got your back up.[/p][/quote]Yes Brick, just like me. No..I support people when they do something that I agree with. You havent got my back up and I'm not particularly a supporter of Helen Jones. But I am in this instance when she speaks out to improve the ambulance service for all of us. Criticising her for doing this is madness in my opinion PageA
  • Score: 0

9:11pm Mon 16 Jun 14

Hungarian Pikey says...

Im afraid you cant make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.
Im afraid you cant make a silk purse out of a pigs ear. Hungarian Pikey
  • Score: 0

8:32am Tue 17 Jun 14

PageA says...

Hungarian **** wrote:
Im afraid you cant make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.
Very profound, you also can't shine sh**...But you can roll it in glitter
[quote][p][bold]Hungarian ****[/bold] wrote: Im afraid you cant make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.[/p][/quote]Very profound, you also can't shine sh**...But you can roll it in glitter PageA
  • Score: 0

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