UKIP targets at least nine seats in next year's election

Warrington Guardian: James Ashington James Ashington

THE much publicised UK Independence Party earthquake rumbled into Warrington as thousands of voters turned to the party.

UKIP came in a close second behind the Labour Party in the European Parliamentary vote in the town, polling 15,236 compared to Labour’s 16,237.

The Conservatives were left behind in third with 10,782 while the Liberal Democrats polled 3,898 to come fourth.

UKIPs standing after Thursday’s vote leaves the group in a strong position according to Warrington party leader James Ashington.

He said: “We got nine seats where we came second where we had not ever stood in seats before.

“We are delighted with the European vote.

“The weather vane is set fair for a year’s time for the general election. We are looking to get some seats in Westminster this time.

“In the last three elections we had the same story ‘it was a protest vote’, how long do you carry on saying that?

“There is a change in the geophysical sector so we now have four major parties instead of three.”

The party saw a strong showing in central Warrington wards and UKIP has aspirations to push on as the Warrington branch sees its numbers swell.

“We are planning to have all seats filled with candidates next year,” added Mr Ashington. “We found the candidates in a three month period and we had to train them up.

“It’s the beginning of the beginning and I would think in 12 months time we will have at least one MP in Westminster and we are hoping for at least nine seats on Warrington Borough Council.

“Many said on the doorstep they hadn’t heard of us but we can’t say that now.

“A lot said, particularly in North Warrington, they hadn’t seen anyone from the Labour party in the last five years. People don’t like being ignored.

“We have had people who have never voted before voting for us.”

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11:55am Thu 29 May 14

Kirk D says...

Congratulations James Ashington for putting up such a good UKIP effort in Warrington.........i
t just shows how far UKIP have come in such a short time.....often, when not winning seats across the country, coming second. What will happen next year:
If Roger Helmer can win the Newark By-election seat on the 5th June, then Boston and other seats become very real possibilities. Thanet, Dover, Portsmouth & Eastleigh all become winnable targets. Even if Roger doesn't quite win but still picks up a bucket load of votes, the electorate will start to see that voting for UKIP is a very credible option. Meanwhile, if Roger does well even more people will join UKIP as members & some will go on to become donors & activists. It's like a snowball affect where each success leads to more members & greater success! I urge everyone interested in bringing democracy back to the people of Britain to join UKIP - see what you can do to change Britain's broken two party system!
Congratulations James Ashington for putting up such a good UKIP effort in Warrington.........i t just shows how far UKIP have come in such a short time.....often, when not winning seats across the country, coming second. What will happen next year: If Roger Helmer can win the Newark By-election seat on the 5th June, then Boston and other seats become very real possibilities. Thanet, Dover, Portsmouth & Eastleigh all become winnable targets. Even if Roger doesn't quite win but still picks up a bucket load of votes, the electorate will start to see that voting for UKIP is a very credible option. Meanwhile, if Roger does well even more people will join UKIP as members & some will go on to become donors & activists. It's like a snowball affect where each success leads to more members & greater success! I urge everyone interested in bringing democracy back to the people of Britain to join UKIP - see what you can do to change Britain's broken two party system! Kirk D
  • Score: 19

10:25pm Thu 29 May 14

Kirk D says...

Come and join the UKIP 'People's Army' for the battle of Newark:

http://www.ukip.org/
newark_by_election_b
e_part_of_the_people
sarmy

The latest Com Res survey shows that 27% of people poled would vote UKIP at the General Election:

http://www.itv.com/n
ews/update/2014-05-2
9/poll-27-of-brits-s
ay-they-would-vote-u
kip-in-2015/

Viva UKIP!
Come and join the UKIP 'People's Army' for the battle of Newark: http://www.ukip.org/ newark_by_election_b e_part_of_the_people sarmy The latest Com Res survey shows that 27% of people poled would vote UKIP at the General Election: http://www.itv.com/n ews/update/2014-05-2 9/poll-27-of-brits-s ay-they-would-vote-u kip-in-2015/ Viva UKIP! Kirk D
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9:17am Fri 30 May 14

PageA says...

Kirk D, I'm interested to know what Britain might be like under Ukip, could you let me know the main improvements that will be made please?
Kirk D, I'm interested to know what Britain might be like under Ukip, could you let me know the main improvements that will be made please? PageA
  • Score: -5

3:22pm Fri 30 May 14

Kirk D says...

Page, UKIP's main aim is to quit the European Union and return soverieng powers back to Britain before it is too late. The obvious benefits this has are we make our own laws and pass our own legislation: we use our seat at the World Trade Organisation (which at present we can't do) to make our own trade deals with the rest of the World and with the EU: we stop paying billions into what is essentially a socialist project (the EU) & we regain control of our borders, accepting people with the skills we need, or investment money or top students.......not millions of unskilled workers (4 million net migrants since 1997). Apart from that UKIP would, if in a position, like to work much more closely with the electorate and not ride roughshod over them, arogantly dismissing their fears over such things as immigration, wind turbines and HS2. UKIP would, where possible, use referenda on the big issues and referenda on local big issues. UKIP politicians are driven by conviction and common sense; they are not career politicians. They have all had jobs in the real world. UKIP are not the party many (especially on the left) that many make out to be. I am a UKIP voter (for years a Conservative), but it is time ordinary. working class folk stood up to be counted by politicians that actuall. want to represent them!
Page, UKIP's main aim is to quit the European Union and return soverieng powers back to Britain before it is too late. The obvious benefits this has are we make our own laws and pass our own legislation: we use our seat at the World Trade Organisation (which at present we can't do) to make our own trade deals with the rest of the World and with the EU: we stop paying billions into what is essentially a socialist project (the EU) & we regain control of our borders, accepting people with the skills we need, or investment money or top students.......not millions of unskilled workers (4 million net migrants since 1997). Apart from that UKIP would, if in a position, like to work much more closely with the electorate and not ride roughshod over them, arogantly dismissing their fears over such things as immigration, wind turbines and HS2. UKIP would, where possible, use referenda on the big issues and referenda on local big issues. UKIP politicians are driven by conviction and common sense; they are not career politicians. They have all had jobs in the real world. UKIP are not the party many (especially on the left) that many make out to be. I am a UKIP voter (for years a Conservative), but it is time ordinary. working class folk stood up to be counted by politicians that actuall. want to represent them! Kirk D
  • Score: 10

7:16pm Fri 30 May 14

PageA says...

Kirk, the EU are our biggest trading partner. It makes sense to me that big, rich countries on your doorstep will become your best customers. There are many emerging economies around the world who just aren't quite ready to buy our Bentley's just yet. Do you have a model on which you are basing your idea of a successful nation with multiple trading agreements, in Europe but with no ties to the EU? Do you have an idea of the damage your policy will do to the thousands of small businesses who depend on European trade? People with the skills that we need? To do what exactly when all the big players have moved across the channel or irish sea
Kirk, the EU are our biggest trading partner. It makes sense to me that big, rich countries on your doorstep will become your best customers. There are many emerging economies around the world who just aren't quite ready to buy our Bentley's just yet. Do you have a model on which you are basing your idea of a successful nation with multiple trading agreements, in Europe but with no ties to the EU? Do you have an idea of the damage your policy will do to the thousands of small businesses who depend on European trade? People with the skills that we need? To do what exactly when all the big players have moved across the channel or irish sea PageA
  • Score: -9

7:38pm Fri 30 May 14

PageA says...

Also... You mention wind turbines in a way that indicates that you're not a fan (hee hee!). Could you briefly comment on Ukip's opinion on global warming and what might form the basis of their energy policy?
Also... You mention wind turbines in a way that indicates that you're not a fan (hee hee!). Could you briefly comment on Ukip's opinion on global warming and what might form the basis of their energy policy? PageA
  • Score: -10

7:42pm Fri 30 May 14

PageA says...

..Just one more thing if that's ok. Why do you feel this public school, former banker farage is qualified to represent..how did you put it?..oh yes..'Ordinary, working class people'?
..Just one more thing if that's ok. Why do you feel this public school, former banker farage is qualified to represent..how did you put it?..oh yes..'Ordinary, working class people'? PageA
  • Score: -9

8:31am Sat 31 May 14

PageA says...

I don't think Kirk D is a local chap...It was the wind turbines that gave it away..Unless he's referring to the one outside the NWDA building
I don't think Kirk D is a local chap...It was the wind turbines that gave it away..Unless he's referring to the one outside the NWDA building PageA
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12:46pm Sat 31 May 14

Kirk D says...

Guys, can I suggest reading the excellent Iain Mansfield, winner of the IEA. Brexit Award:

http://www.iea.org.u
k/brexit

Can I also draw your attention to this superb report written by UKIP MEP William Dartmouth:

http://www.ukipmeps.
org/news_875_Out-of-
the-EU-into-the-Worl
d.html

All Your Questions Will Be Covered In These Two Excellent reports.

Happy reading.

Kirk
Guys, can I suggest reading the excellent Iain Mansfield, winner of the IEA. Brexit Award: http://www.iea.org.u k/brexit Can I also draw your attention to this superb report written by UKIP MEP William Dartmouth: http://www.ukipmeps. org/news_875_Out-of- the-EU-into-the-Worl d.html All Your Questions Will Be Covered In These Two Excellent reports. Happy reading. Kirk Kirk D
  • Score: 4

3:31pm Sat 31 May 14

PageA says...

Really?..you don't have an answer or opinion of your own. That's very disappointing Kirk. I've yet to have a conversation with a ukip supporter or councillor that left me thinking..'He might just be onto something here' I thought you might be the one to convince me Kirk but all you want to do is copy and paste other people's thoughts. You're just a flag waver for these uber tories, I'll wait for my chance to discuss real policies with someone who has given their stance some thought.
Really?..you don't have an answer or opinion of your own. That's very disappointing Kirk. I've yet to have a conversation with a ukip supporter or councillor that left me thinking..'He might just be onto something here' I thought you might be the one to convince me Kirk but all you want to do is copy and paste other people's thoughts. You're just a flag waver for these uber tories, I'll wait for my chance to discuss real policies with someone who has given their stance some thought. PageA
  • Score: -6

6:45pm Sat 31 May 14

#scarlet pimpernel# says...

With you on this one Kirk D. I think its time for UKIP to step into the fray and put a couple of sanctimonious noses out of joint. A UKIP vote is not a wasted vote but a start to a new beginning. You don't need to debate or explain your position to know it all's on soap boxes chastising you about your selection which by the way over 15000 other voters also saw fit to vote for.
With you on this one Kirk D. I think its time for UKIP to step into the fray and put a couple of sanctimonious noses out of joint. A UKIP vote is not a wasted vote but a start to a new beginning. You don't need to debate or explain your position to know it all's on soap boxes chastising you about your selection which by the way over 15000 other voters also saw fit to vote for. #scarlet pimpernel#
  • Score: 6

6:59pm Sat 31 May 14

Kirk D says...

Page......as it happens I have been out to the Theatre today with friends - I jus.tthought I would post some information before I went out gore the day.

As for wind energy.......I don't believe a European policy of expensive renewable energy is doing any good for our busineses competing on a world stage where cheap coal energy is being rampantly encouraged in India & China.

Scarlet P.......cheers.
Page......as it happens I have been out to the Theatre today with friends - I jus.tthought I would post some information before I went out gore the day. As for wind energy.......I don't believe a European policy of expensive renewable energy is doing any good for our busineses competing on a world stage where cheap coal energy is being rampantly encouraged in India & China. Scarlet P.......cheers. Kirk D
  • Score: 7

7:23pm Sat 31 May 14

PageA says...

Kirk D wrote:
Page......as it happens I have been out to the Theatre today with friends - I jus.tthought I would post some information before I went out gore the day.

As for wind energy.......I don't believe a European policy of expensive renewable energy is doing any good for our busineses competing on a world stage where cheap coal energy is being rampantly encouraged in India & China.

Scarlet P.......cheers.
Haha!..of course he agrees with you..you're the same person!

I've googled some of your posts in other local newspapers around the country. You're a very busy man, shame you're not a local contributor but that probably reflects the type of support James Ashington has in this town.

Scarlet talks about a new beginning. Do you really think that fossil fuels are the bright future? ..A dirty, polluting country selling odds and ends where it can across the world..You're not really selling it to me Kirk to be honest.

Can you let me know what red tape you will introduce to replace the EU red tape you are removing and how much this process will cost please?
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Page......as it happens I have been out to the Theatre today with friends - I jus.tthought I would post some information before I went out gore the day. As for wind energy.......I don't believe a European policy of expensive renewable energy is doing any good for our busineses competing on a world stage where cheap coal energy is being rampantly encouraged in India & China. Scarlet P.......cheers.[/p][/quote]Haha!..of course he agrees with you..you're the same person! I've googled some of your posts in other local newspapers around the country. You're a very busy man, shame you're not a local contributor but that probably reflects the type of support James Ashington has in this town. Scarlet talks about a new beginning. Do you really think that fossil fuels are the bright future? ..A dirty, polluting country selling odds and ends where it can across the world..You're not really selling it to me Kirk to be honest. Can you let me know what red tape you will introduce to replace the EU red tape you are removing and how much this process will cost please? PageA
  • Score: -7

8:36pm Sat 31 May 14

#scarlet pimpernel# says...

Page I don't care about your fossil fuels or wind turbines or what ever else your Liberal socialist mind regurgitates up from Socialist Party manifestoes. I care about what's happening around me today. I care about people who get laid off work, who have worked here all our lives and paid taxes, who have to get rid of all their assets and savings before they get government help and others come here on under a truck and get the lot for free. I care about the increased percentage of foreign criminals in our jails that we the tax payer has to pay for. 15000 other people pretty much agree with those statements in Warrington alone and hundreds of thousands elsewhere in the UK and across Europe, so don't insult our intelligence. You must either be blind or in complete denial. Wind farms- who cares they only make rich land owners richer. You are afraid of the unknown and no doubt your defense must mean you have something to lose if we left Europe.
If you think this is a dirty polluting country try visiting Asia, the Sub Continent, Far East, Middle East. They pump that much rubbish into the atmosphere that its makes our green contribution futile. The streets are laden with filth in some places. You obviously havent travelled much or you would have seen it first hand.
Selling odds and ends? I think if German car giants want to sell cars here they will, If somebody wants a Bentley they will buy one, If French cheese and wine makers want to sell here - they will, If industry wants to trade here it will - why because this is where the money is. Being in or out of Europe will make no difference. If I want to go on holiday to Greece and Spain they will gladly have me, why because I am a paying customer. If I have too Ill get a multi entry and exit visa, just like all the other countries in the world. Stop scare mongering people into believing we are going to fall apart because guess what - This is the United Kingdom and we have been here for hundreds of years while Europe continually tried to get a piece of us and changed its face and boarders repeatedly while doing so.
Page I don't care about your fossil fuels or wind turbines or what ever else your Liberal socialist mind regurgitates up from Socialist Party manifestoes. I care about what's happening around me today. I care about people who get laid off work, who have worked here all our lives and paid taxes, who have to get rid of all their assets and savings before they get government help and others come here on under a truck and get the lot for free. I care about the increased percentage of foreign criminals in our jails that we the tax payer has to pay for. 15000 other people pretty much agree with those statements in Warrington alone and hundreds of thousands elsewhere in the UK and across Europe, so don't insult our intelligence. You must either be blind or in complete denial. Wind farms- who cares they only make rich land owners richer. You are afraid of the unknown and no doubt your defense must mean you have something to lose if we left Europe. If you think this is a dirty polluting country try visiting Asia, the Sub Continent, Far East, Middle East. They pump that much rubbish into the atmosphere that its makes our green contribution futile. The streets are laden with filth in some places. You obviously havent travelled much or you would have seen it first hand. Selling odds and ends? I think if German car giants want to sell cars here they will, If somebody wants a Bentley they will buy one, If French cheese and wine makers want to sell here - they will, If industry wants to trade here it will - why because this is where the money is. Being in or out of Europe will make no difference. If I want to go on holiday to Greece and Spain they will gladly have me, why because I am a paying customer. If I have too Ill get a multi entry and exit visa, just like all the other countries in the world. Stop scare mongering people into believing we are going to fall apart because guess what - This is the United Kingdom and we have been here for hundreds of years while Europe continually tried to get a piece of us and changed its face and boarders repeatedly while doing so. #scarlet pimpernel#
  • Score: 9

10:26pm Sat 31 May 14

PageA says...

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
Page I don't care about your fossil fuels or wind turbines or what ever else your Liberal socialist mind regurgitates up from Socialist Party manifestoes. I care about what's happening around me today. I care about people who get laid off work, who have worked here all our lives and paid taxes, who have to get rid of all their assets and savings before they get government help and others come here on under a truck and get the lot for free. I care about the increased percentage of foreign criminals in our jails that we the tax payer has to pay for. 15000 other people pretty much agree with those statements in Warrington alone and hundreds of thousands elsewhere in the UK and across Europe, so don't insult our intelligence. You must either be blind or in complete denial. Wind farms- who cares they only make rich land owners richer. You are afraid of the unknown and no doubt your defense must mean you have something to lose if we left Europe.
If you think this is a dirty polluting country try visiting Asia, the Sub Continent, Far East, Middle East. They pump that much rubbish into the atmosphere that its makes our green contribution futile. The streets are laden with filth in some places. You obviously havent travelled much or you would have seen it first hand.
Selling odds and ends? I think if German car giants want to sell cars here they will, If somebody wants a Bentley they will buy one, If French cheese and wine makers want to sell here - they will, If industry wants to trade here it will - why because this is where the money is. Being in or out of Europe will make no difference. If I want to go on holiday to Greece and Spain they will gladly have me, why because I am a paying customer. If I have too Ill get a multi entry and exit visa, just like all the other countries in the world. Stop scare mongering people into believing we are going to fall apart because guess what - This is the United Kingdom and we have been here for hundreds of years while Europe continually tried to get a piece of us and changed its face and boarders repeatedly while doing so.
I didn't bring up wind turbines scarlet, you did..or Kirk did..or whatever name you want to go by. I've been here some time commenting on local issues and I'm confident that nothing I have said for the past few years would link me to any socialist party manifesto. Your talk of people arriving under trucks..and criminals is nonsense. If you want to talk about the pro and cons of immigration please don't start the discussion by making the association with criminals and people trafficking..it's completely different. If you are suggesting that I will personally suffer financially more than everyone else if we withdraw from Europe, you are wrong. I am not afraid of the unknown, I embrace the prospect of a bright future in partnership with the rest of Europe for the betterment of us all. Your alternative sounds sh*t to me. This is not about falling apart, this is about moving out of your 1950's comfort zone. I asked you/Kirk this earlier on but didn't get a response..Do you have a model on which you are basing your idea of a successful nation with multiple trading agreements, in Europe but with no ties to the EU?
[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote: Page I don't care about your fossil fuels or wind turbines or what ever else your Liberal socialist mind regurgitates up from Socialist Party manifestoes. I care about what's happening around me today. I care about people who get laid off work, who have worked here all our lives and paid taxes, who have to get rid of all their assets and savings before they get government help and others come here on under a truck and get the lot for free. I care about the increased percentage of foreign criminals in our jails that we the tax payer has to pay for. 15000 other people pretty much agree with those statements in Warrington alone and hundreds of thousands elsewhere in the UK and across Europe, so don't insult our intelligence. You must either be blind or in complete denial. Wind farms- who cares they only make rich land owners richer. You are afraid of the unknown and no doubt your defense must mean you have something to lose if we left Europe. If you think this is a dirty polluting country try visiting Asia, the Sub Continent, Far East, Middle East. They pump that much rubbish into the atmosphere that its makes our green contribution futile. The streets are laden with filth in some places. You obviously havent travelled much or you would have seen it first hand. Selling odds and ends? I think if German car giants want to sell cars here they will, If somebody wants a Bentley they will buy one, If French cheese and wine makers want to sell here - they will, If industry wants to trade here it will - why because this is where the money is. Being in or out of Europe will make no difference. If I want to go on holiday to Greece and Spain they will gladly have me, why because I am a paying customer. If I have too Ill get a multi entry and exit visa, just like all the other countries in the world. Stop scare mongering people into believing we are going to fall apart because guess what - This is the United Kingdom and we have been here for hundreds of years while Europe continually tried to get a piece of us and changed its face and boarders repeatedly while doing so.[/p][/quote]I didn't bring up wind turbines scarlet, you did..or Kirk did..or whatever name you want to go by. I've been here some time commenting on local issues and I'm confident that nothing I have said for the past few years would link me to any socialist party manifesto. Your talk of people arriving under trucks..and criminals is nonsense. If you want to talk about the pro and cons of immigration please don't start the discussion by making the association with criminals and people trafficking..it's completely different. If you are suggesting that I will personally suffer financially more than everyone else if we withdraw from Europe, you are wrong. I am not afraid of the unknown, I embrace the prospect of a bright future in partnership with the rest of Europe for the betterment of us all. Your alternative sounds sh*t to me. This is not about falling apart, this is about moving out of your 1950's comfort zone. I asked you/Kirk this earlier on but didn't get a response..Do you have a model on which you are basing your idea of a successful nation with multiple trading agreements, in Europe but with no ties to the EU? PageA
  • Score: -8

11:46pm Sat 31 May 14

Kirk D says...

Page, you sound like you would agree with Nick Clegg's fatuous & disingenuous statement that it is un-patriotic to leave the EU.......statement that even 'cast iron' Dave distanced himself from! He knows that is dangerous territory to accuse the electorate of such things. Of course we can survive and thrive outside the EU. We are the sixth largest economy & have been a successful trading nation since the middle ages.........to somehow imagine we are no longer capable of running our own affairs is incongruous & naive, not to mention blinked and ill informed. The trouble with Britain is we have been let down by recent thinking that we must be shackled to a failing & shrinking market whose main currency is an abject failure that is causing widespread misery. The currency was ill conceived and could never work - so is the single market with free movement labour as it's basic tennet. Most Britains do not want unlimited migration from Europe....they want proper border control. They want British law, not a supra national Federal states of Europe with a single judiciary not under our control. That's why I vote UKIP!
Page, you sound like you would agree with Nick Clegg's fatuous & disingenuous statement that it is un-patriotic to leave the EU.......statement that even 'cast iron' Dave distanced himself from! He knows that is dangerous territory to accuse the electorate of such things. Of course we can survive and thrive outside the EU. We are the sixth largest economy & have been a successful trading nation since the middle ages.........to somehow imagine we are no longer capable of running our own affairs is incongruous & naive, not to mention blinked and ill informed. The trouble with Britain is we have been let down by recent thinking that we must be shackled to a failing & shrinking market whose main currency is an abject failure that is causing widespread misery. The currency was ill conceived and could never work - so is the single market with free movement labour as it's basic tennet. Most Britains do not want unlimited migration from Europe....they want proper border control. They want British law, not a supra national Federal states of Europe with a single judiciary not under our control. That's why I vote UKIP! Kirk D
  • Score: 7

4:50am Sun 1 Jun 14

#scarlet pimpernel# says...

Well Page, now I know you are in denial. Nobody arrives here under trucks or in the back of them once they cross the channel? It's in all the papers about illegals entering the country that way. Do you think they simply fly in ....ha ha ha ha.
If you 'embrace' your Europe so much then go and live over there with them. Don't drag this country down with your liberal ideas. There you go again scaremongering, as if we will return to the 50's ? We can't time travel we are already in the year 2014. That tells me you must be living in that time zone. In fact were you even alive in the 50's, because if you were'nt don't quote what it was like. It was after the war, Korea was kicking off and it was a good period of rebuilding and restructure trying to sort out another bad 'European balls up'. You are an idealist not a realist, and the reality is this country is in a sleeper period about Europe, before you know it you will wake up and we won't be Great Britain anymore, we will simply be England run by an unelected federal Parliament in Brussels. If you want to live with Europeans then go to Brussels and live there. you won't though because this is where the heart is and your heritage.
P.S. I am not Kirk so stop playing Nancy Drew on Google and look around you at what's happening. Also stop swearing. If you can't take the truth then stop commenting
Well Page, now I know you are in denial. Nobody arrives here under trucks or in the back of them once they cross the channel? It's in all the papers about illegals entering the country that way. Do you think they simply fly in ....ha ha ha ha. If you 'embrace' your Europe so much then go and live over there with them. Don't drag this country down with your liberal ideas. There you go again scaremongering, as if we will return to the 50's ? We can't time travel we are already in the year 2014. That tells me you must be living in that time zone. In fact were you even alive in the 50's, because if you were'nt don't quote what it was like. It was after the war, Korea was kicking off and it was a good period of rebuilding and restructure trying to sort out another bad 'European balls up'. You are an idealist not a realist, and the reality is this country is in a sleeper period about Europe, before you know it you will wake up and we won't be Great Britain anymore, we will simply be England run by an unelected federal Parliament in Brussels. If you want to live with Europeans then go to Brussels and live there. you won't though because this is where the heart is and your heritage. P.S. I am not Kirk so stop playing Nancy Drew on Google and look around you at what's happening. Also stop swearing. If you can't take the truth then stop commenting #scarlet pimpernel#
  • Score: 7

8:17am Sun 1 Jun 14

PageA says...

Kirk D wrote:
Page, you sound like you would agree with Nick Clegg's fatuous & disingenuous statement that it is un-patriotic to leave the EU.......statement that even 'cast iron' Dave distanced himself from! He knows that is dangerous territory to accuse the electorate of such things. Of course we can survive and thrive outside the EU. We are the sixth largest economy & have been a successful trading nation since the middle ages.........to somehow imagine we are no longer capable of running our own affairs is incongruous & naive, not to mention blinked and ill informed. The trouble with Britain is we have been let down by recent thinking that we must be shackled to a failing & shrinking market whose main currency is an abject failure that is causing widespread misery. The currency was ill conceived and could never work - so is the single market with free movement labour as it's basic tennet. Most Britains do not want unlimited migration from Europe....they want proper border control. They want British law, not a supra national Federal states of Europe with a single judiciary not under our control. That's why I vote UKIP!
Wasn't aware of it but now you've brought it to my attention, yes I do agree with what he said. People who work to damage the country are un-patriotic. I'm not Dave, I have my own opinions and I'm not standing for election. Interesting that you mention the dark ages, because I think that's exactly where you're planning to take us! You say we can survive and thrive outside the World's biggest trading block that sits on our doorstep and I've asked you a couple of times to show me a model for this proposed new relationship??? Who are we going to look like?
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Page, you sound like you would agree with Nick Clegg's fatuous & disingenuous statement that it is un-patriotic to leave the EU.......statement that even 'cast iron' Dave distanced himself from! He knows that is dangerous territory to accuse the electorate of such things. Of course we can survive and thrive outside the EU. We are the sixth largest economy & have been a successful trading nation since the middle ages.........to somehow imagine we are no longer capable of running our own affairs is incongruous & naive, not to mention blinked and ill informed. The trouble with Britain is we have been let down by recent thinking that we must be shackled to a failing & shrinking market whose main currency is an abject failure that is causing widespread misery. The currency was ill conceived and could never work - so is the single market with free movement labour as it's basic tennet. Most Britains do not want unlimited migration from Europe....they want proper border control. They want British law, not a supra national Federal states of Europe with a single judiciary not under our control. That's why I vote UKIP![/p][/quote]Wasn't aware of it but now you've brought it to my attention, yes I do agree with what he said. People who work to damage the country are un-patriotic. I'm not Dave, I have my own opinions and I'm not standing for election. Interesting that you mention the dark ages, because I think that's exactly where you're planning to take us! You say we can survive and thrive outside the World's biggest trading block that sits on our doorstep and I've asked you a couple of times to show me a model for this proposed new relationship??? Who are we going to look like? PageA
  • Score: -5

8:30am Sun 1 Jun 14

PageA says...

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
Well Page, now I know you are in denial. Nobody arrives here under trucks or in the back of them once they cross the channel? It's in all the papers about illegals entering the country that way. Do you think they simply fly in ....ha ha ha ha.
If you 'embrace' your Europe so much then go and live over there with them. Don't drag this country down with your liberal ideas. There you go again scaremongering, as if we will return to the 50's ? We can't time travel we are already in the year 2014. That tells me you must be living in that time zone. In fact were you even alive in the 50's, because if you were'nt don't quote what it was like. It was after the war, Korea was kicking off and it was a good period of rebuilding and restructure trying to sort out another bad 'European balls up'. You are an idealist not a realist, and the reality is this country is in a sleeper period about Europe, before you know it you will wake up and we won't be Great Britain anymore, we will simply be England run by an unelected federal Parliament in Brussels. If you want to live with Europeans then go to Brussels and live there. you won't though because this is where the heart is and your heritage.
P.S. I am not Kirk so stop playing Nancy Drew on Google and look around you at what's happening. Also stop swearing. If you can't take the truth then stop commenting
Not in denial Scarlet, might be a shock to you but immigrants do simply fly in..Men,women,childr
en..with suitcases and passports. You're talking about illegal movement of people which is an offence dealt with by the law. You sound like a very frightened individual, I have no intention of moving overseas but it's good to know that I can start a life over there if I wish...dip my toes in the Aegean..eat tomatoes off the plant...sip local nectar and feel the sun warm my bones..This will sound odd to you no doubt as a recent survey discovered 51.2% Ukip voters were the least likely to agree with the statement "I regularly try food from other countries"..and only 55.3% of the supporters of Nigel Farage's party agree that they are interested in other cultures and countries.

Let me break this to you...I'll speak up too..THE WAR..WAS A LONG LONG TIME AGO! THINGS HAVE MOVED ON..OK?..DONT BE SCARED...NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRY..IT'S ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE BETTERMENT OF MANKIND...OK?..NO ONE CARES ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN KOREA..OR HOW THINGS WERE CARVED UP..IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON..LET IT GO!

If you like it so much go live with them!! That's a really funny thing to say Scarlet and reminds me of my children arguing. I'd rather help my country have a strong voice in Europe so that we don't get left behind. Can you tell me the last time Britain was "Great" in your opinion?
[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote: Well Page, now I know you are in denial. Nobody arrives here under trucks or in the back of them once they cross the channel? It's in all the papers about illegals entering the country that way. Do you think they simply fly in ....ha ha ha ha. If you 'embrace' your Europe so much then go and live over there with them. Don't drag this country down with your liberal ideas. There you go again scaremongering, as if we will return to the 50's ? We can't time travel we are already in the year 2014. That tells me you must be living in that time zone. In fact were you even alive in the 50's, because if you were'nt don't quote what it was like. It was after the war, Korea was kicking off and it was a good period of rebuilding and restructure trying to sort out another bad 'European balls up'. You are an idealist not a realist, and the reality is this country is in a sleeper period about Europe, before you know it you will wake up and we won't be Great Britain anymore, we will simply be England run by an unelected federal Parliament in Brussels. If you want to live with Europeans then go to Brussels and live there. you won't though because this is where the heart is and your heritage. P.S. I am not Kirk so stop playing Nancy Drew on Google and look around you at what's happening. Also stop swearing. If you can't take the truth then stop commenting[/p][/quote]Not in denial Scarlet, might be a shock to you but immigrants do simply fly in..Men,women,childr en..with suitcases and passports. You're talking about illegal movement of people which is an offence dealt with by the law. You sound like a very frightened individual, I have no intention of moving overseas but it's good to know that I can start a life over there if I wish...dip my toes in the Aegean..eat tomatoes off the plant...sip local nectar and feel the sun warm my bones..This will sound odd to you no doubt as a recent survey discovered 51.2% Ukip voters were the least likely to agree with the statement "I regularly try food from other countries"..and only 55.3% of the supporters of Nigel Farage's party agree that they are interested in other cultures and countries. Let me break this to you...I'll speak up too..THE WAR..WAS A LONG LONG TIME AGO! THINGS HAVE MOVED ON..OK?..DONT BE SCARED...NO ONE IS TRYING TO TAKE OVER OUR COUNTRY..IT'S ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE BETTERMENT OF MANKIND...OK?..NO ONE CARES ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN KOREA..OR HOW THINGS WERE CARVED UP..IT'S TIME TO MOVE ON..LET IT GO! If you like it so much go live with them!! That's a really funny thing to say Scarlet and reminds me of my children arguing. I'd rather help my country have a strong voice in Europe so that we don't get left behind. Can you tell me the last time Britain was "Great" in your opinion? PageA
  • Score: -3

9:37am Sun 1 Jun 14

#scarlet pimpernel# says...

Britain is great every day and for you not to think it is in my opinion very un patriotic. I hate to break it to you but The UK has a strong voice without Europe page. That's why we are amongst the first people everyone comes to for help and aid in a crisis but like Barrak Obama said this week the USA cannot continue this approach because the world needs to stand on its own two feet. Same applies here, all of those immigrants who are going to fly over from Calais soon need to realise we can't keep supporting the problems Europe and the rest of the world have either.
Thanks for quoting you recent holiday experience to me, but like I said if you like it that much go and live the life there. We have serious immigration issues in this country which even the mainstream parties are starting to accept and can't control. You live in a fantasy world if you think all of these immigrants will bring something good to these shores because if they did our prisons wouldn't be full of them.
You haven't got a clue about War so don't comment on it. I have on the other hand and don't practice armchair politics.
You mentioned going back to the 50's so I quoted the period for you. I think you will find that there are people who care about Korea and the War otherwise we wouldn't wear poppies and celebrate it every year you liberal fairy. People lost their lives in these wars to protect your freedom so that you may sleep safety at night, regardless of what ever war it is so don't be so ungrateful.
Thanks again for quoting your statistics. I never said once that I don't like foreign food and I never said I have no interest in other Countries or cultures. I tolerate all of them as long as they respect our culture, heritage and willing to integrate. So again your opinion Nancy Drew was wrong. I'm glad your children act like me in you opinion because that means there is still hope and they won't vote for the Liberals or Labour or Conservatives but UKIP and don't worry we won't be left behind because guess what, this is Great Britain, were everybody wants to be and be part of. All I'm saying is don't be so quick to happily give away you heritage. Sort out your own back yard first before try to solve Europe's.
Britain is great every day and for you not to think it is in my opinion very un patriotic. I hate to break it to you but The UK has a strong voice without Europe page. That's why we are amongst the first people everyone comes to for help and aid in a crisis but like Barrak Obama said this week the USA cannot continue this approach because the world needs to stand on its own two feet. Same applies here, all of those immigrants who are going to fly over from Calais soon need to realise we can't keep supporting the problems Europe and the rest of the world have either. Thanks for quoting you recent holiday experience to me, but like I said if you like it that much go and live the life there. We have serious immigration issues in this country which even the mainstream parties are starting to accept and can't control. You live in a fantasy world if you think all of these immigrants will bring something good to these shores because if they did our prisons wouldn't be full of them. You haven't got a clue about War so don't comment on it. I have on the other hand and don't practice armchair politics. You mentioned going back to the 50's so I quoted the period for you. I think you will find that there are people who care about Korea and the War otherwise we wouldn't wear poppies and celebrate it every year you liberal fairy. People lost their lives in these wars to protect your freedom so that you may sleep safety at night, regardless of what ever war it is so don't be so ungrateful. Thanks again for quoting your statistics. I never said once that I don't like foreign food and I never said I have no interest in other Countries or cultures. I tolerate all of them as long as they respect our culture, heritage and willing to integrate. So again your opinion Nancy Drew was wrong. I'm glad your children act like me in you opinion because that means there is still hope and they won't vote for the Liberals or Labour or Conservatives but UKIP and don't worry we won't be left behind because guess what, this is Great Britain, were everybody wants to be and be part of. All I'm saying is don't be so quick to happily give away you heritage. Sort out your own back yard first before try to solve Europe's. #scarlet pimpernel#
  • Score: 1

10:12am Sun 1 Jun 14

PageA says...

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
Britain is great every day and for you not to think it is in my opinion very un patriotic. I hate to break it to you but The UK has a strong voice without Europe page. That's why we are amongst the first people everyone comes to for help and aid in a crisis but like Barrak Obama said this week the USA cannot continue this approach because the world needs to stand on its own two feet. Same applies here, all of those immigrants who are going to fly over from Calais soon need to realise we can't keep supporting the problems Europe and the rest of the world have either.
Thanks for quoting you recent holiday experience to me, but like I said if you like it that much go and live the life there. We have serious immigration issues in this country which even the mainstream parties are starting to accept and can't control. You live in a fantasy world if you think all of these immigrants will bring something good to these shores because if they did our prisons wouldn't be full of them.
You haven't got a clue about War so don't comment on it. I have on the other hand and don't practice armchair politics.
You mentioned going back to the 50's so I quoted the period for you. I think you will find that there are people who care about Korea and the War otherwise we wouldn't wear poppies and celebrate it every year you liberal fairy. People lost their lives in these wars to protect your freedom so that you may sleep safety at night, regardless of what ever war it is so don't be so ungrateful.
Thanks again for quoting your statistics. I never said once that I don't like foreign food and I never said I have no interest in other Countries or cultures. I tolerate all of them as long as they respect our culture, heritage and willing to integrate. So again your opinion Nancy Drew was wrong. I'm glad your children act like me in you opinion because that means there is still hope and they won't vote for the Liberals or Labour or Conservatives but UKIP and don't worry we won't be left behind because guess what, this is Great Britain, were everybody wants to be and be part of. All I'm saying is don't be so quick to happily give away you heritage. Sort out your own back yard first before try to solve Europe's.
oooh..you've got it bad!

Is that the same Barrack Obama who said
"‘We have a special relationship with the United Kingdom and we believe that our capacity to partner with a United Kingdom that is active, robust, outward-looking and engaged with the world is hugely important to our own interests as well as the world. And I think that the UK’s participation in the EU is an expression of its influence and its role in the world."
and
"we value a strong UK in a strong European Union, which makes critical contributions to peace, prosperity and security around the world.”

Liberal fairy?!?..maybe but Obama's opinion is as plain as the nose on your stupid fascist face.

I'm happy if you're happy to be the authority on War. I prefer not to see it again and that's one of the reasons why I fully support closer ties with my European brothers and sisters

I wear my poppy every year to remember those who died and the stupid mistakes made by isolationist, chauvinistic people like you time and time again. Like many people, my relatives fought at the Somme. I'm confident, because their blood flows in my veins, that they didn't make their sacrifice for you and your short sighted, frightened outlook on the world. Please don't hijack their ambitions.

'guess what, this is Great Britain, were everybody wants to be and be part of'
You're deluded.
[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote: Britain is great every day and for you not to think it is in my opinion very un patriotic. I hate to break it to you but The UK has a strong voice without Europe page. That's why we are amongst the first people everyone comes to for help and aid in a crisis but like Barrak Obama said this week the USA cannot continue this approach because the world needs to stand on its own two feet. Same applies here, all of those immigrants who are going to fly over from Calais soon need to realise we can't keep supporting the problems Europe and the rest of the world have either. Thanks for quoting you recent holiday experience to me, but like I said if you like it that much go and live the life there. We have serious immigration issues in this country which even the mainstream parties are starting to accept and can't control. You live in a fantasy world if you think all of these immigrants will bring something good to these shores because if they did our prisons wouldn't be full of them. You haven't got a clue about War so don't comment on it. I have on the other hand and don't practice armchair politics. You mentioned going back to the 50's so I quoted the period for you. I think you will find that there are people who care about Korea and the War otherwise we wouldn't wear poppies and celebrate it every year you liberal fairy. People lost their lives in these wars to protect your freedom so that you may sleep safety at night, regardless of what ever war it is so don't be so ungrateful. Thanks again for quoting your statistics. I never said once that I don't like foreign food and I never said I have no interest in other Countries or cultures. I tolerate all of them as long as they respect our culture, heritage and willing to integrate. So again your opinion Nancy Drew was wrong. I'm glad your children act like me in you opinion because that means there is still hope and they won't vote for the Liberals or Labour or Conservatives but UKIP and don't worry we won't be left behind because guess what, this is Great Britain, were everybody wants to be and be part of. All I'm saying is don't be so quick to happily give away you heritage. Sort out your own back yard first before try to solve Europe's.[/p][/quote]oooh..you've got it bad! Is that the same Barrack Obama who said "‘We have a special relationship with the United Kingdom and we believe that our capacity to partner with a United Kingdom that is active, robust, outward-looking and engaged with the world is hugely important to our own interests as well as the world. And I think that the UK’s participation in the EU is an expression of its influence and its role in the world." and "we value a strong UK in a strong European Union, which makes critical contributions to peace, prosperity and security around the world.” Liberal fairy?!?..maybe but Obama's opinion is as plain as the nose on your stupid fascist face. I'm happy if you're happy to be the authority on War. I prefer not to see it again and that's one of the reasons why I fully support closer ties with my European brothers and sisters I wear my poppy every year to remember those who died and the stupid mistakes made by isolationist, chauvinistic people like you time and time again. Like many people, my relatives fought at the Somme. I'm confident, because their blood flows in my veins, that they didn't make their sacrifice for you and your short sighted, frightened outlook on the world. Please don't hijack their ambitions. 'guess what, this is Great Britain, were everybody wants to be and be part of' You're deluded. PageA
  • Score: -1

11:00am Sun 1 Jun 14

Kirk D says...

There you go Page: "it's about working together for mankind"..........th
e EU is just another grand socialist experiment. But the people of Britain, in the main, reject socialism. Why is it our duty to take over where the Russians failed? Why should the people of this country be asked to assimilate millions of ex Eastern bloc citizens? What is happening back home in places such as Lithuania.......don'
t answer, I work with a whole multitude of Europeans who, before anyone says, I get on famously with; but they tell me Lithuania is being drained of its young. It seems to me to be one one traffic, although to be fair, we give millions to these countries in return for their youth. We also give billions to pre accession countries such as Turkey. I also note that Belarus, along with Ukraine were to be part of the EU project.........just where does the European Empire's ambitions end in terms of membership? 28 countries now........in the meantime our cadre of MEP s is no more than it was in 1973...........only with so many more countries our influence has been diluted away. The last 50 major decisions that Britain voted against were instigated, despite us!
There you go Page: "it's about working together for mankind"..........th e EU is just another grand socialist experiment. But the people of Britain, in the main, reject socialism. Why is it our duty to take over where the Russians failed? Why should the people of this country be asked to assimilate millions of ex Eastern bloc citizens? What is happening back home in places such as Lithuania.......don' t answer, I work with a whole multitude of Europeans who, before anyone says, I get on famously with; but they tell me Lithuania is being drained of its young. It seems to me to be one one traffic, although to be fair, we give millions to these countries in return for their youth. We also give billions to pre accession countries such as Turkey. I also note that Belarus, along with Ukraine were to be part of the EU project.........just where does the European Empire's ambitions end in terms of membership? 28 countries now........in the meantime our cadre of MEP s is no more than it was in 1973...........only with so many more countries our influence has been diluted away. The last 50 major decisions that Britain voted against were instigated, despite us! Kirk D
  • Score: 3

11:14am Sun 1 Jun 14

PageA says...

Kirk D wrote:
There you go Page: "it's about working together for mankind"..........th

e EU is just another grand socialist experiment. But the people of Britain, in the main, reject socialism. Why is it our duty to take over where the Russians failed? Why should the people of this country be asked to assimilate millions of ex Eastern bloc citizens? What is happening back home in places such as Lithuania.......don'

t answer, I work with a whole multitude of Europeans who, before anyone says, I get on famously with; but they tell me Lithuania is being drained of its young. It seems to me to be one one traffic, although to be fair, we give millions to these countries in return for their youth. We also give billions to pre accession countries such as Turkey. I also note that Belarus, along with Ukraine were to be part of the EU project.........just where does the European Empire's ambitions end in terms of membership? 28 countries now........in the meantime our cadre of MEP s is no more than it was in 1973...........only with so many more countries our influence has been diluted away. The last 50 major decisions that Britain voted against were instigated, despite us!
'ello! Good cop's back!

You're right, the EU isn't perfect, which is why we need to get stuck into working with our European partners to make this work for the benefit of everyone involved. Good to hear many of your friends are black..sorry eastern European, how very civilised of you. Do you know how many people read something in the Daily Mail or Express and then try to tell me they hear it from the horses mouth?!? What do you say to them in your deep conversations?..."mm
m... that's so sad to hear..i really feel for your suffering...now f*** off back home where you came from!"

We're ignored in Europe? I find this hard to believe..you mean we pay £000,000's to Farage and Co in expenses to have no influence or impact at all in Europe? What a waste of space they really are.
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: There you go Page: "it's about working together for mankind"..........th e EU is just another grand socialist experiment. But the people of Britain, in the main, reject socialism. Why is it our duty to take over where the Russians failed? Why should the people of this country be asked to assimilate millions of ex Eastern bloc citizens? What is happening back home in places such as Lithuania.......don' t answer, I work with a whole multitude of Europeans who, before anyone says, I get on famously with; but they tell me Lithuania is being drained of its young. It seems to me to be one one traffic, although to be fair, we give millions to these countries in return for their youth. We also give billions to pre accession countries such as Turkey. I also note that Belarus, along with Ukraine were to be part of the EU project.........just where does the European Empire's ambitions end in terms of membership? 28 countries now........in the meantime our cadre of MEP s is no more than it was in 1973...........only with so many more countries our influence has been diluted away. The last 50 major decisions that Britain voted against were instigated, despite us![/p][/quote]'ello! Good cop's back! You're right, the EU isn't perfect, which is why we need to get stuck into working with our European partners to make this work for the benefit of everyone involved. Good to hear many of your friends are black..sorry eastern European, how very civilised of you. Do you know how many people read something in the Daily Mail or Express and then try to tell me they hear it from the horses mouth?!? What do you say to them in your deep conversations?..."mm m... that's so sad to hear..i really feel for your suffering...now f*** off back home where you came from!" We're ignored in Europe? I find this hard to believe..you mean we pay £000,000's to Farage and Co in expenses to have no influence or impact at all in Europe? What a waste of space they really are. PageA
  • Score: -2

12:22pm Sun 1 Jun 14

Kirk D says...

Page, I knew you couldn't keep it up without resorting to insults & gutter language. Oh dear, I was so enjoying our little chat & now you've gone and ruined it. I have had so many encounters with extreme 'Left' minded characters from the UAF (Unite alongside fascism), 'Hate not Hope' & the very 'unsociabe workers party, that I come to expect the reasoning they sometime start out with usually ends in some form of violence or intimidation. Quite often they don't even bother with rationale, they just go straight into insult mode! At least you gave it your best shot, before you hurled the insults.

Cheers, Kirk
Page, I knew you couldn't keep it up without resorting to insults & gutter language. Oh dear, I was so enjoying our little chat & now you've gone and ruined it. I have had so many encounters with extreme 'Left' minded characters from the UAF (Unite alongside fascism), 'Hate not Hope' & the very 'unsociabe workers party, that I come to expect the reasoning they sometime start out with usually ends in some form of violence or intimidation. Quite often they don't even bother with rationale, they just go straight into insult mode! At least you gave it your best shot, before you hurled the insults. Cheers, Kirk Kirk D
  • Score: 4

12:42pm Sun 1 Jun 14

PageA says...

Kirk D wrote:
Page, I knew you couldn't keep it up without resorting to insults & gutter language. Oh dear, I was so enjoying our little chat & now you've gone and ruined it. I have had so many encounters with extreme 'Left' minded characters from the UAF (Unite alongside fascism), 'Hate not Hope' & the very 'unsociabe workers party, that I come to expect the reasoning they sometime start out with usually ends in some form of violence or intimidation. Quite often they don't even bother with rationale, they just go straight into insult mode! At least you gave it your best shot, before you hurled the insults.

Cheers, Kirk
Apologies for any offence caused Kirk, your wingman called me a Liberal fairy and I dont like being insulted with cliches. I am not a member of any of the organisations that you mention and have never used violence or intimidation. I don't actually know where I insulted you to be honest Kirk, but it's ok these conversations do generally result in somebody saying I've called them racist or suchlike and then they refuse to continue because I'm not worthy...etc. I completely understand if you want to end now without answering the question that I have repeatedly put to you regarding the model that you think the Uk could base itself upon in your new dawn. It wasnt my best shot Kirk, some of the things you say are ludicrous in 2014. Please dont take that as an insult either
[quote][p][bold]Kirk D[/bold] wrote: Page, I knew you couldn't keep it up without resorting to insults & gutter language. Oh dear, I was so enjoying our little chat & now you've gone and ruined it. I have had so many encounters with extreme 'Left' minded characters from the UAF (Unite alongside fascism), 'Hate not Hope' & the very 'unsociabe workers party, that I come to expect the reasoning they sometime start out with usually ends in some form of violence or intimidation. Quite often they don't even bother with rationale, they just go straight into insult mode! At least you gave it your best shot, before you hurled the insults. Cheers, Kirk[/p][/quote]Apologies for any offence caused Kirk, your wingman called me a Liberal fairy and I dont like being insulted with cliches. I am not a member of any of the organisations that you mention and have never used violence or intimidation. I don't actually know where I insulted you to be honest Kirk, but it's ok these conversations do generally result in somebody saying I've called them racist or suchlike and then they refuse to continue because I'm not worthy...etc. I completely understand if you want to end now without answering the question that I have repeatedly put to you regarding the model that you think the Uk could base itself upon in your new dawn. It wasnt my best shot Kirk, some of the things you say are ludicrous in 2014. Please dont take that as an insult either PageA
  • Score: -2

12:54pm Sun 1 Jun 14

#scarlet pimpernel# says...

Good for you Page.You interpret what's going on around you however you like. I'm glad I finally got you admit that you are a Liberal. Good on you. The Somme wow,now you are really going back in time. I thought you said move forward.

So what you are saying is people who make war are stupid, isolationist ect ect....good I'm glad you said that which is the reason I voted UKIP because the Labour Party took us through two of them recently and the Lib Dems and Tories took us through involvement in Libya and nearly again in Syria if it wasn't voted against. The EU with its great army of educated people have caused quiet an issue in Libya now with a country in turmoil.
Tell me this, why does the EU want its own Military / Security force. To what end do they need this type of power? So can I say that due to me proving you supported stupid isolationist type of people who support war mongering that you will now vote UKIP?
Short sighted and frightened mmmm maybe yes if we let our current set of short sighted politicians carry on the way they are going because they are to frightened of the Politically correct brigade and loosing their fat cat salaries.

Anyway we are going around in circles.
Don't be frightened to vote for change next time your chance comes around. It would be very short sighted of yourself not to give a new broom a chance to sweep clean the current state of affairs not only here but also over the water.
Good for you Page.You interpret what's going on around you however you like. I'm glad I finally got you admit that you are a Liberal. Good on you. The Somme wow,now you are really going back in time. I thought you said move forward. So what you are saying is people who make war are stupid, isolationist ect ect....good I'm glad you said that which is the reason I voted UKIP because the Labour Party took us through two of them recently and the Lib Dems and Tories took us through involvement in Libya and nearly again in Syria if it wasn't voted against. The EU with its great army of educated people have caused quiet an issue in Libya now with a country in turmoil. Tell me this, why does the EU want its own Military / Security force. To what end do they need this type of power? So can I say that due to me proving you supported stupid isolationist type of people who support war mongering that you will now vote UKIP? Short sighted and frightened mmmm maybe yes if we let our current set of short sighted politicians carry on the way they are going because they are to frightened of the Politically correct brigade and loosing their fat cat salaries. Anyway we are going around in circles. Don't be frightened to vote for change next time your chance comes around. It would be very short sighted of yourself not to give a new broom a chance to sweep clean the current state of affairs not only here but also over the water. #scarlet pimpernel#
  • Score: 4

1:14pm Sun 1 Jun 14

PageA says...

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
Good for you Page.You interpret what's going on around you however you like. I'm glad I finally got you admit that you are a Liberal. Good on you. The Somme wow,now you are really going back in time. I thought you said move forward.

So what you are saying is people who make war are stupid, isolationist ect ect....good I'm glad you said that which is the reason I voted UKIP because the Labour Party took us through two of them recently and the Lib Dems and Tories took us through involvement in Libya and nearly again in Syria if it wasn't voted against. The EU with its great army of educated people have caused quiet an issue in Libya now with a country in turmoil.
Tell me this, why does the EU want its own Military / Security force. To what end do they need this type of power? So can I say that due to me proving you supported stupid isolationist type of people who support war mongering that you will now vote UKIP?
Short sighted and frightened mmmm maybe yes if we let our current set of short sighted politicians carry on the way they are going because they are to frightened of the Politically correct brigade and loosing their fat cat salaries.

Anyway we are going around in circles.
Don't be frightened to vote for change next time your chance comes around. It would be very short sighted of yourself not to give a new broom a chance to sweep clean the current state of affairs not only here but also over the water.
You mentioned the war and people dying for my freedom, which is why I brought up the Somme. All I have done is respond to the points you yourself have raised. You've told me to leave my country because I see things differently to you and you have tried to claim the monopoly on the achievements of our soldiers. I'm not talking about the type of war you watch on CNN Scarlet, I'm talking about a global war on the European continent, probably involving the right-wing extremists that Farage is getting so friendly with. EU military would probably be a good idea to fend off the ambitions of Putin, the man that Farage admires so much. But you're so paranoid about Germans you dont see the threats that your party are creating themselves
[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote: Good for you Page.You interpret what's going on around you however you like. I'm glad I finally got you admit that you are a Liberal. Good on you. The Somme wow,now you are really going back in time. I thought you said move forward. So what you are saying is people who make war are stupid, isolationist ect ect....good I'm glad you said that which is the reason I voted UKIP because the Labour Party took us through two of them recently and the Lib Dems and Tories took us through involvement in Libya and nearly again in Syria if it wasn't voted against. The EU with its great army of educated people have caused quiet an issue in Libya now with a country in turmoil. Tell me this, why does the EU want its own Military / Security force. To what end do they need this type of power? So can I say that due to me proving you supported stupid isolationist type of people who support war mongering that you will now vote UKIP? Short sighted and frightened mmmm maybe yes if we let our current set of short sighted politicians carry on the way they are going because they are to frightened of the Politically correct brigade and loosing their fat cat salaries. Anyway we are going around in circles. Don't be frightened to vote for change next time your chance comes around. It would be very short sighted of yourself not to give a new broom a chance to sweep clean the current state of affairs not only here but also over the water.[/p][/quote]You mentioned the war and people dying for my freedom, which is why I brought up the Somme. All I have done is respond to the points you yourself have raised. You've told me to leave my country because I see things differently to you and you have tried to claim the monopoly on the achievements of our soldiers. I'm not talking about the type of war you watch on CNN Scarlet, I'm talking about a global war on the European continent, probably involving the right-wing extremists that Farage is getting so friendly with. EU military would probably be a good idea to fend off the ambitions of Putin, the man that Farage admires so much. But you're so paranoid about Germans you dont see the threats that your party are creating themselves PageA
  • Score: -3

1:46pm Sun 1 Jun 14

#scarlet pimpernel# says...

War on the European continent - Wow. So you are making assumptions the right wing are at war with ????? the left, the centre, everyone? EU military, who will provide this? You signing up tomorrow to go and fight for European freedom because bet you that was there ever to be a war in the UK all your chums would leave in a flash. I dont think we would see many of them pulling on the uniform to fight for British freedom. Have you ever been in the army. I have and I didnt enjoy fighting other peoples battles. The only thing that kept us going were the blokes next to me. Not a French or Polish officer. So you are a strategist now to as well as a Political commentator? By the way the two don't go together.

Farage admires the way Putin played his hand with Europe and they backed down. Remember who has the power there and I don't think its Europe. The Russians would walk straight over the Baltic and into Germany if they really wanted to or simply cut off Gas to Europe during winter.
Im not paranoid about Germany thank you, assumptions on your part as usual. If it wasn't for Merkel and Germany, your European project would have fallen flat on its face long ago.
UKIP isn't making any threats. Don't be frightened, Will your Euro army would go and stop him too.
By the way who will pay for this lot?
Now stop Pi****g in my ear and telling me it raining.
War on the European continent - Wow. So you are making assumptions the right wing are at war with ????? the left, the centre, everyone? EU military, who will provide this? You signing up tomorrow to go and fight for European freedom because bet you that was there ever to be a war in the UK all your chums would leave in a flash. I dont think we would see many of them pulling on the uniform to fight for British freedom. Have you ever been in the army. I have and I didnt enjoy fighting other peoples battles. The only thing that kept us going were the blokes next to me. Not a French or Polish officer. So you are a strategist now to as well as a Political commentator? By the way the two don't go together. Farage admires the way Putin played his hand with Europe and they backed down. Remember who has the power there and I don't think its Europe. The Russians would walk straight over the Baltic and into Germany if they really wanted to or simply cut off Gas to Europe during winter. Im not paranoid about Germany thank you, assumptions on your part as usual. If it wasn't for Merkel and Germany, your European project would have fallen flat on its face long ago. UKIP isn't making any threats. Don't be frightened, Will your Euro army would go and stop him too. By the way who will pay for this lot? Now stop Pi****g in my ear and telling me it raining. #scarlet pimpernel#
  • Score: 3

2:21pm Sun 1 Jun 14

PageA says...

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
War on the European continent - Wow. So you are making assumptions the right wing are at war with ????? the left, the centre, everyone? EU military, who will provide this? You signing up tomorrow to go and fight for European freedom because bet you that was there ever to be a war in the UK all your chums would leave in a flash. I dont think we would see many of them pulling on the uniform to fight for British freedom. Have you ever been in the army. I have and I didnt enjoy fighting other peoples battles. The only thing that kept us going were the blokes next to me. Not a French or Polish officer. So you are a strategist now to as well as a Political commentator? By the way the two don't go together.

Farage admires the way Putin played his hand with Europe and they backed down. Remember who has the power there and I don't think its Europe. The Russians would walk straight over the Baltic and into Germany if they really wanted to or simply cut off Gas to Europe during winter.
Im not paranoid about Germany thank you, assumptions on your part as usual. If it wasn't for Merkel and Germany, your European project would have fallen flat on its face long ago.
UKIP isn't making any threats. Don't be frightened, Will your Euro army would go and stop him too.
By the way who will pay for this lot?
Now stop Pi****g in my ear and telling me it raining.
Careful now, Kirk doesn't like the potty mouth talk! You remind of that scene in ' A few good men' with Jack Nicholson..

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=9FnO3igOk
Ok

Are you going to tell me I can't handle the truth?!

You have a very simplistic view on the world and our interactions with other nations. No I didnt choose to join the Army like you and no I'm not the strategist that put the EU together to promote peace in Europe..but that is why it was formed.

Merkel is fab isn't she! She has epic skills and I think we'd benefit from her involvement in our economy
[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote: War on the European continent - Wow. So you are making assumptions the right wing are at war with ????? the left, the centre, everyone? EU military, who will provide this? You signing up tomorrow to go and fight for European freedom because bet you that was there ever to be a war in the UK all your chums would leave in a flash. I dont think we would see many of them pulling on the uniform to fight for British freedom. Have you ever been in the army. I have and I didnt enjoy fighting other peoples battles. The only thing that kept us going were the blokes next to me. Not a French or Polish officer. So you are a strategist now to as well as a Political commentator? By the way the two don't go together. Farage admires the way Putin played his hand with Europe and they backed down. Remember who has the power there and I don't think its Europe. The Russians would walk straight over the Baltic and into Germany if they really wanted to or simply cut off Gas to Europe during winter. Im not paranoid about Germany thank you, assumptions on your part as usual. If it wasn't for Merkel and Germany, your European project would have fallen flat on its face long ago. UKIP isn't making any threats. Don't be frightened, Will your Euro army would go and stop him too. By the way who will pay for this lot? Now stop Pi****g in my ear and telling me it raining.[/p][/quote]Careful now, Kirk doesn't like the potty mouth talk! You remind of that scene in ' A few good men' with Jack Nicholson.. http://www.youtube.c om/watch?v=9FnO3igOk Ok Are you going to tell me I can't handle the truth?! You have a very simplistic view on the world and our interactions with other nations. No I didnt choose to join the Army like you and no I'm not the strategist that put the EU together to promote peace in Europe..but that is why it was formed. Merkel is fab isn't she! She has epic skills and I think we'd benefit from her involvement in our economy PageA
  • Score: -2

2:34pm Sun 1 Jun 14

#scarlet pimpernel# says...

Yes I liked the quote which is why I used it and Im glad you finally realized we are two different people.

Yes, Merkel is a good Lady agreed. She has done very well in her Country as well as Europe but people in Europe and over here dont want her telling them what to do, that is why we have our own politicians.
I still want my country run by elected British Officials not unelected Europeans.
Yes I liked the quote which is why I used it and Im glad you finally realized we are two different people. Yes, Merkel is a good Lady agreed. She has done very well in her Country as well as Europe but people in Europe and over here dont want her telling them what to do, that is why we have our own politicians. I still want my country run by elected British Officials not unelected Europeans. #scarlet pimpernel#
  • Score: 1

3:07pm Sun 1 Jun 14

PageA says...

#scarlet pimpernel# wrote:
Yes I liked the quote which is why I used it and Im glad you finally realized we are two different people.

Yes, Merkel is a good Lady agreed. She has done very well in her Country as well as Europe but people in Europe and over here dont want her telling them what to do, that is why we have our own politicians.
I still want my country run by elected British Officials not unelected Europeans.
Your country is being run by unelected foreign business moguls and corporations Scarlet..your football teams are owned by foreign billionaires, your electricity comes from foreign grids, your diseases are made and managed by foreign pharmaceuticals answerable to foreign shareholders..The only people who have the problem with overseas politicians having an input are the uk politicians desperate not to let power sip from their fingertips. Well..personally..I'
d rather have Merkel than any of the people that sent you off to fight someone else's war. Maybe she could do two days a week
[quote][p][bold]#scarlet pimpernel#[/bold] wrote: Yes I liked the quote which is why I used it and Im glad you finally realized we are two different people. Yes, Merkel is a good Lady agreed. She has done very well in her Country as well as Europe but people in Europe and over here dont want her telling them what to do, that is why we have our own politicians. I still want my country run by elected British Officials not unelected Europeans.[/p][/quote]Your country is being run by unelected foreign business moguls and corporations Scarlet..your football teams are owned by foreign billionaires, your electricity comes from foreign grids, your diseases are made and managed by foreign pharmaceuticals answerable to foreign shareholders..The only people who have the problem with overseas politicians having an input are the uk politicians desperate not to let power sip from their fingertips. Well..personally..I' d rather have Merkel than any of the people that sent you off to fight someone else's war. Maybe she could do two days a week PageA
  • Score: 2

10:39am Tue 3 Jun 14

Uncoded says...

At the end of the day, vote for who you want, but please try to understand what you are actually voting for and the wider implications that this will have.
UKIP supporters have some sort of delusion that by not being part of the EU, we will be better off. Can someone explain how this will happen? Please don't bang on about immigrants in your answer. They are not, and never will be, a problem for the UK.
At the end of the day, vote for who you want, but please try to understand what you are actually voting for and the wider implications that this will have. UKIP supporters have some sort of delusion that by not being part of the EU, we will be better off. Can someone explain how this will happen? Please don't bang on about immigrants in your answer. They are not, and never will be, a problem for the UK. Uncoded
  • Score: 0

10:57am Tue 3 Jun 14

Kirk D says...

Uncoded...........I'
m sure our fisherman could give you an answer from their prospective: certainly they would be better off. Not complying with all that legislation would save small and medium business a great deal of money. Not being a net contributor would save us at least £11 billion in hard cash.
This is part of the summary of the IEA Brexit Award winning paper by Iain Mansfield called: A blueprint for Britain - openness not isolation

His winning entry calls for the UK to join the European Free Trade Association, as well as for the introduction of a ‘Great Repeal Bill’ to bring about a comprehensive review and, where appropriate, repeal, of EU regulations. These measures would prevent economic shocks in trade and would reduce the bureaucratic burden on British business, unshackling the wider economy.It concludes that a Brexit must ultimately be a political rather than an economic decision, yet calculates that if it occurred, the UK economy would experience a £1.3bn increase in GDP. Significantly fewer regulations, coupled with greater trade with emerging economies, could provide an overwhelmingly positive future outlook for an independent Britain.

http://www.iea.org.u
k/brexit
Uncoded...........I' m sure our fisherman could give you an answer from their prospective: certainly they would be better off. Not complying with all that legislation would save small and medium business a great deal of money. Not being a net contributor would save us at least £11 billion in hard cash. This is part of the summary of the IEA Brexit Award winning paper by Iain Mansfield called: A blueprint for Britain - openness not isolation His winning entry calls for the UK to join the European Free Trade Association, as well as for the introduction of a ‘Great Repeal Bill’ to bring about a comprehensive review and, where appropriate, repeal, of EU regulations. These measures would prevent economic shocks in trade and would reduce the bureaucratic burden on British business, unshackling the wider economy.It concludes that a Brexit must ultimately be a political rather than an economic decision, yet calculates that if it occurred, the UK economy would experience a £1.3bn increase in GDP. Significantly fewer regulations, coupled with greater trade with emerging economies, could provide an overwhelmingly positive future outlook for an independent Britain. http://www.iea.org.u k/brexit Kirk D
  • Score: 0

11:03am Tue 3 Jun 14

Uncoded says...

You love cutting and pasting don't you? Can you not give me your perspective?
As an economist, I have seen many claims such as the one you have kindly pasted. It is impossible for anyone to predict what the future of the economy will be, so for you to base your view on this one pasting seems to be slightly naive.
I also feel that there other, much more important industries than fishing. For example, how will the construction industry be affected?
You love cutting and pasting don't you? Can you not give me your perspective? As an economist, I have seen many claims such as the one you have kindly pasted. It is impossible for anyone to predict what the future of the economy will be, so for you to base your view on this one pasting seems to be slightly naive. I also feel that there other, much more important industries than fishing. For example, how will the construction industry be affected? Uncoded
  • Score: 0

3:11pm Tue 3 Jun 14

Kirk D says...

It doesn't take an economist to see that the EU accounts are so dodgy they haven't been signed off for 19 years.............ev
en Arthur Anderson would not have touched them - had they still been in business!
It doesn't take an economist to see that the EU accounts are so dodgy they haven't been signed off for 19 years.............ev en Arthur Anderson would not have touched them - had they still been in business! Kirk D
  • Score: 0

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