All planned surgery of Warrington patients to take place in Runcorn

All planned surgery of Warrington patients to take place in Runcorn

All planned surgery of Warrington patients to take place in Runcorn

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ALL planned surgery for Warrington patients will now be carried out in Runcorn unless they have underlying health problems which may need intensive care, said a Halton and Warrington hospital health chief.

Around 226 operations already take place at Halton Hospital every week, and this is expected to reach 12,000 by the end of the year.

Mel Pickup, chief executive of of Warrington and Halton NHS Foundation Trust, said:”Every elective operation should be done at Halton irrespective of where patients live, unless they have other illnesses or problems which may require intensive care back up.

“We are going to take more general surgery, urology, and gynaecology. Orthopaedic surgery is already carried out at the treatment centre.”

She said there will be far less likelihood of operations being cancelled by emergencies which will be handled in Warrington.

Helen Jones, Warrington North MP, said: “I am concerned that there is less and less choice for the people of Warrington.

“They are being asked to travel further for their operations and their families will find it more difficult to visit them.

“Once again an announcement from our hospital comes out of the blue with no discussions or prior warning. This is not good enough.“

New diagnostic services will be available in the autumn to treat elderly patients with heart and respiratory conditions.

Mel Pickup Warrington Hospital chief executive said: "Moving towards this model with most routine surgery at Halton for local patients and complex, specialist and emergency surgery and care at Warrington has been something we have been working towards over the last five years.

"The majority of our routine surgical work already takes place at Halton General and it means less chance of a routine operation being cancelled at the last minute because of pressure of accommodating emergency patients coming in through A&E.

"Patients can still have all their initial outpatient appointments at Warrington and then we will book their surgery with our expert surgical team at the best hospital site for their own particular needs. The move has allowed us to make the most effective use the most of both of our hospital sites for local patients."

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7:35am Wed 26 Mar 14

PageA says...

Sorry what? Have we just lost our hospital? What happens if someone has general surgery and, as a result of your incompetence, requires intensive care? Do we stick 'em on the bus back to Warrington to be looked after? Are these the same people that are expecting pensioners in great sankey to travel to Orford to see their Gp or are they different? Our lives in their hands!
Sorry what? Have we just lost our hospital? What happens if someone has general surgery and, as a result of your incompetence, requires intensive care? Do we stick 'em on the bus back to Warrington to be looked after? Are these the same people that are expecting pensioners in great sankey to travel to Orford to see their Gp or are they different? Our lives in their hands! PageA
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10:49am Wed 26 Mar 14

tojahejome says...

What an absolute joke.
What an absolute joke. tojahejome
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11:57am Wed 26 Mar 14

Brick Bazooka says...

Around 226 operations already take place at Halton Hospital every week, and this is expected to reach 12,000 by the end of the year.

At first glance this statistic looks quite shocking however let's do the math:

226 x 52 = 11,752

This leaves an increase of 248 a year

248 / 52 = 4.76 a week

If the readers want some statistics, work out how many times Helen Jones moans per week.
Around 226 operations already take place at Halton Hospital every week, and this is expected to reach 12,000 by the end of the year. At first glance this statistic looks quite shocking however let's do the math: 226 x 52 = 11,752 This leaves an increase of 248 a year 248 / 52 = 4.76 a week If the readers want some statistics, work out how many times Helen Jones moans per week. Brick Bazooka
  • Score: 7

2:17pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Penketh Pony says...

And if they choose to go over the bridge it will cost them an extra £4 to do so!
And if they choose to go over the bridge it will cost them an extra £4 to do so! Penketh Pony
  • Score: 7

3:59pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

Penketh Pony wrote:
And if they choose to go over the bridge it will cost them an extra £4 to do so!
The Billy Goats Gruff had bigger problems
[quote][p][bold]Penketh Pony[/bold] wrote: And if they choose to go over the bridge it will cost them an extra £4 to do so![/p][/quote]The Billy Goats Gruff had bigger problems Nick Tessla
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4:41pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Karlar says...

Brick Bazooka wrote:
Around 226 operations already take place at Halton Hospital every week, and this is expected to reach 12,000 by the end of the year.

At first glance this statistic looks quite shocking however let's do the math:

226 x 52 = 11,752

This leaves an increase of 248 a year

248 / 52 = 4.76 a week

If the readers want some statistics, work out how many times Helen Jones moans per week.
To be fair to Helen Jones MP, she has constantly argued for Warrington people to be treated in the Warrington hospital. It would appear from the WG report that "Moving towards this model with most routine surgery at Halton for local patients and complex, specialist and emergency surgery and care at Warrington has been something have been working towards over the last five years" and we are only just being made aware of it.
[quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: Around 226 operations already take place at Halton Hospital every week, and this is expected to reach 12,000 by the end of the year. At first glance this statistic looks quite shocking however let's do the math: 226 x 52 = 11,752 This leaves an increase of 248 a year 248 / 52 = 4.76 a week If the readers want some statistics, work out how many times Helen Jones moans per week.[/p][/quote]To be fair to Helen Jones MP, she has constantly argued for Warrington people to be treated in the Warrington hospital. It would appear from the WG report that "Moving towards this model with most routine surgery at Halton for local patients and complex, specialist and emergency surgery and care at Warrington has been something [the Hospital trust] have been working towards over the last five years" and we are only just being made aware of it. Karlar
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4:45pm Wed 26 Mar 14

Karlar says...

this - - should have inserted between 'something' and 'have been working towards..'
this - [the Hospital Trust] - should have inserted between 'something' and 'have been working towards..' Karlar
  • Score: 0

4:46pm Wed 26 Mar 14

PageA says...

Brick Bazooka wrote:
Around 226 operations already take place at Halton Hospital every week, and this is expected to reach 12,000 by the end of the year.

At first glance this statistic looks quite shocking however let's do the math:

226 x 52 = 11,752

This leaves an increase of 248 a year

248 / 52 = 4.76 a week

If the readers want some statistics, work out how many times Helen Jones moans per week.
Confusing article this then. Should they have said '226 operations currently take place at Halton and that will rise to 230' because that's not a news story. Unless they 're saying that currently only 4.76 operations take place at Warrington and even those are about to stop...in which case warrington really stopped doing operations some time ago and now they're letting us know about it. Could do with some clarification please WG
[quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: Around 226 operations already take place at Halton Hospital every week, and this is expected to reach 12,000 by the end of the year. At first glance this statistic looks quite shocking however let's do the math: 226 x 52 = 11,752 This leaves an increase of 248 a year 248 / 52 = 4.76 a week If the readers want some statistics, work out how many times Helen Jones moans per week.[/p][/quote]Confusing article this then. Should they have said '226 operations currently take place at Halton and that will rise to 230' because that's not a news story. Unless they 're saying that currently only 4.76 operations take place at Warrington and even those are about to stop...in which case warrington really stopped doing operations some time ago and now they're letting us know about it. Could do with some clarification please WG PageA
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5:38pm Wed 26 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

PageA wrote:
Brick Bazooka wrote:
Around 226 operations already take place at Halton Hospital every week, and this is expected to reach 12,000 by the end of the year.

At first glance this statistic looks quite shocking however let's do the math:

226 x 52 = 11,752

This leaves an increase of 248 a year

248 / 52 = 4.76 a week

If the readers want some statistics, work out how many times Helen Jones moans per week.
Confusing article this then. Should they have said '226 operations currently take place at Halton and that will rise to 230' because that's not a news story. Unless they 're saying that currently only 4.76 operations take place at Warrington and even those are about to stop...in which case warrington really stopped doing operations some time ago and now they're letting us know about it. Could do with some clarification please WG
With you on that PageA it is a quandary as to what is happening in Warrington. All I know is that, after a recent motorbike accident, I had three operations in as many days, so did I almost take the weekly quota for Warrington? Seems strange and very worrying for Warrington residents! I think I will look into Bupa.
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: Around 226 operations already take place at Halton Hospital every week, and this is expected to reach 12,000 by the end of the year. At first glance this statistic looks quite shocking however let's do the math: 226 x 52 = 11,752 This leaves an increase of 248 a year 248 / 52 = 4.76 a week If the readers want some statistics, work out how many times Helen Jones moans per week.[/p][/quote]Confusing article this then. Should they have said '226 operations currently take place at Halton and that will rise to 230' because that's not a news story. Unless they 're saying that currently only 4.76 operations take place at Warrington and even those are about to stop...in which case warrington really stopped doing operations some time ago and now they're letting us know about it. Could do with some clarification please WG[/p][/quote]With you on that PageA it is a quandary as to what is happening in Warrington. All I know is that, after a recent motorbike accident, I had three operations in as many days, so did I almost take the weekly quota for Warrington? Seems strange and very worrying for Warrington residents! I think I will look into Bupa. GRUMPY PARENT
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8:26pm Wed 26 Mar 14

GB3416 says...

I can guarantee you will have a worse service with BUPA or any other private healthcare! We are the only country in the world that has a National Health Service that is groaning under the demands placed on it, and still people moan and complain. There is far less pressure on bed spaces in Halton Hospital as it only carries out planned surgery! Delays and cancellations at the Warrington site for planned surgery will be reduced to almost 0 with this move, it's for the benefit of the residents of Warrington and Runcorn not a reduction in choice.

Support the changes that our local hospitals are making to benefit the residents, and safeguard the future of our local NHS, you would all be complaining a lot more if you had to take a taxi ride to Whiston!!!!
I can guarantee you will have a worse service with BUPA or any other private healthcare! We are the only country in the world that has a National Health Service that is groaning under the demands placed on it, and still people moan and complain. There is far less pressure on bed spaces in Halton Hospital as it only carries out planned surgery! Delays and cancellations at the Warrington site for planned surgery will be reduced to almost 0 with this move, it's for the benefit of the residents of Warrington and Runcorn not a reduction in choice. Support the changes that our local hospitals are making to benefit the residents, and safeguard the future of our local NHS, you would all be complaining a lot more if you had to take a taxi ride to Whiston!!!! GB3416
  • Score: 9

9:09pm Wed 26 Mar 14

grey-area says...

So what's the car parking like at Halton Hospital then? Can it cope with the anticipated planned increase in requirement ? Are the charges high enough?
So what's the car parking like at Halton Hospital then? Can it cope with the anticipated planned increase in requirement ? Are the charges high enough? grey-area
  • Score: 6

10:19pm Wed 26 Mar 14

PageA says...

GB3416 wrote:
I can guarantee you will have a worse service with BUPA or any other private healthcare! We are the only country in the world that has a National Health Service that is groaning under the demands placed on it, and still people moan and complain. There is far less pressure on bed spaces in Halton Hospital as it only carries out planned surgery! Delays and cancellations at the Warrington site for planned surgery will be reduced to almost 0 with this move, it's for the benefit of the residents of Warrington and Runcorn not a reduction in choice.

Support the changes that our local hospitals are making to benefit the residents, and safeguard the future of our local NHS, you would all be complaining a lot more if you had to take a taxi ride to Whiston!!!!
These organisations have been pilloried for their use of gagging orders on members of staff at vast expense to the tax payer. Who is this person now telling us not to complain and be happy with our lot. Why did you take the time to tell us not to complain about the service we receive from our NHS?
[quote][p][bold]GB3416[/bold] wrote: I can guarantee you will have a worse service with BUPA or any other private healthcare! We are the only country in the world that has a National Health Service that is groaning under the demands placed on it, and still people moan and complain. There is far less pressure on bed spaces in Halton Hospital as it only carries out planned surgery! Delays and cancellations at the Warrington site for planned surgery will be reduced to almost 0 with this move, it's for the benefit of the residents of Warrington and Runcorn not a reduction in choice. Support the changes that our local hospitals are making to benefit the residents, and safeguard the future of our local NHS, you would all be complaining a lot more if you had to take a taxi ride to Whiston!!!![/p][/quote]These organisations have been pilloried for their use of gagging orders on members of staff at vast expense to the tax payer. Who is this person now telling us not to complain and be happy with our lot. Why did you take the time to tell us not to complain about the service we receive from our NHS? PageA
  • Score: -3

10:28pm Wed 26 Mar 14

GB3416 says...

Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone.

As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington!
Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone. As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington! GB3416
  • Score: 6

10:53pm Wed 26 Mar 14

grey-area says...

GB3416 wrote:
Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone.

As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington!
Could you qualify the parking situation? How many spaces, because when I went there seems to be far less than Warrington.
[quote][p][bold]GB3416[/bold] wrote: Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone. As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington![/p][/quote]Could you qualify the parking situation? How many spaces, because when I went there seems to be far less than Warrington. grey-area
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11:05pm Wed 26 Mar 14

PageA says...

GB3416 wrote:
Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone.

As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington!
Well I don't know about parking at Halton but I do know about watching a loved one suffer and spend the last weeks of their life with incompetent and distracted staff. I know what it feels like to be told by a nurse friend from a inner city hospital that she spent one day as a bank nurse at Warrington General and would never return. I know what it's like to clean and feed my family member because your staff were too busy, I know what its like to hear from a highly respected Liverpool surgeon that some mistakes only happen in Warrington and I know what it's like to almost have to deliver my own son because you had a crisis in the labour ward also known as a weekend..I also know what it's like to hit a wall of silence from people who feel that it isn't our place to complain about our hospital
[quote][p][bold]GB3416[/bold] wrote: Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone. As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington![/p][/quote]Well I don't know about parking at Halton but I do know about watching a loved one suffer and spend the last weeks of their life with incompetent and distracted staff. I know what it feels like to be told by a nurse friend from a inner city hospital that she spent one day as a bank nurse at Warrington General and would never return. I know what it's like to clean and feed my family member because your staff were too busy, I know what its like to hear from a highly respected Liverpool surgeon that some mistakes only happen in Warrington and I know what it's like to almost have to deliver my own son because you had a crisis in the labour ward also known as a weekend..I also know what it's like to hit a wall of silence from people who feel that it isn't our place to complain about our hospital PageA
  • Score: 2

7:15am Thu 27 Mar 14

GB3416 says...

PageA wrote:
GB3416 wrote:
Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone.

As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington!
Well I don't know about parking at Halton but I do know about watching a loved one suffer and spend the last weeks of their life with incompetent and distracted staff. I know what it feels like to be told by a nurse friend from a inner city hospital that she spent one day as a bank nurse at Warrington General and would never return. I know what it's like to clean and feed my family member because your staff were too busy, I know what its like to hear from a highly respected Liverpool surgeon that some mistakes only happen in Warrington and I know what it's like to almost have to deliver my own son because you had a crisis in the labour ward also known as a weekend..I also know what it's like to hit a wall of silence from people who feel that it isn't our place to complain about our hospital
It's very sad that you have had to experience poor care at the hands of the staff at Warrington Hospital, and I sincerely hope that you were able to complain and have a successful outcome from this. I can't comment on care provision on the wards as I have not worked on any of them, I provide a service within the Operating Theatre, and I can guarantee you it is far from incompetent, I don't know which Liverpool Surgeon you spoke to, but in 14 years at Warrington I've not heard of mistakes that only happen in Warrington.

However I do agree that there are some nurses out there that would be better suited to a job in Tesco, the patients sometimes seem like an inconvenience to them!
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GB3416[/bold] wrote: Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone. As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington![/p][/quote]Well I don't know about parking at Halton but I do know about watching a loved one suffer and spend the last weeks of their life with incompetent and distracted staff. I know what it feels like to be told by a nurse friend from a inner city hospital that she spent one day as a bank nurse at Warrington General and would never return. I know what it's like to clean and feed my family member because your staff were too busy, I know what its like to hear from a highly respected Liverpool surgeon that some mistakes only happen in Warrington and I know what it's like to almost have to deliver my own son because you had a crisis in the labour ward also known as a weekend..I also know what it's like to hit a wall of silence from people who feel that it isn't our place to complain about our hospital[/p][/quote]It's very sad that you have had to experience poor care at the hands of the staff at Warrington Hospital, and I sincerely hope that you were able to complain and have a successful outcome from this. I can't comment on care provision on the wards as I have not worked on any of them, I provide a service within the Operating Theatre, and I can guarantee you it is far from incompetent, I don't know which Liverpool Surgeon you spoke to, but in 14 years at Warrington I've not heard of mistakes that only happen in Warrington. However I do agree that there are some nurses out there that would be better suited to a job in Tesco, the patients sometimes seem like an inconvenience to them! GB3416
  • Score: 5

7:17am Thu 27 Mar 14

GB3416 says...

grey-area wrote:
GB3416 wrote:
Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone.

As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington!
Could you qualify the parking situation? How many spaces, because when I went there seems to be far less than Warrington.
There are less spaces at Halton, but less people need them with most of the outpatients and clinics at Warrington. There is seldom any problem finding somewhere to park!
[quote][p][bold]grey-area[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GB3416[/bold] wrote: Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone. As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington![/p][/quote]Could you qualify the parking situation? How many spaces, because when I went there seems to be far less than Warrington.[/p][/quote]There are less spaces at Halton, but less people need them with most of the outpatients and clinics at Warrington. There is seldom any problem finding somewhere to park! GB3416
  • Score: 3

8:01am Thu 27 Mar 14

PageA says...

GB3416 wrote:
PageA wrote:
GB3416 wrote:
Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone.

As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington!
Well I don't know about parking at Halton but I do know about watching a loved one suffer and spend the last weeks of their life with incompetent and distracted staff. I know what it feels like to be told by a nurse friend from a inner city hospital that she spent one day as a bank nurse at Warrington General and would never return. I know what it's like to clean and feed my family member because your staff were too busy, I know what its like to hear from a highly respected Liverpool surgeon that some mistakes only happen in Warrington and I know what it's like to almost have to deliver my own son because you had a crisis in the labour ward also known as a weekend..I also know what it's like to hit a wall of silence from people who feel that it isn't our place to complain about our hospital
It's very sad that you have had to experience poor care at the hands of the staff at Warrington Hospital, and I sincerely hope that you were able to complain and have a successful outcome from this. I can't comment on care provision on the wards as I have not worked on any of them, I provide a service within the Operating Theatre, and I can guarantee you it is far from incompetent, I don't know which Liverpool Surgeon you spoke to, but in 14 years at Warrington I've not heard of mistakes that only happen in Warrington.

However I do agree that there are some nurses out there that would be better suited to a job in Tesco, the patients sometimes seem like an inconvenience to them!
mmm...I can feel the PR ointment just oozing over me. It's more than sad GB3416 and It'd take some pretty serious Doctor Who manoeuvring for me to obtain a 'successful outcome' from this. Everyone makes mistakes, I know that. But people need to learn from mistakes and part of that learning experience is about being held to account. You get 'wound up' by people complaining about the NHS?.. well I turn into a spinning top when told to be happy with what i've got and stop moaning. This is a public forum in a local newspaper. This is where people speak about their experiences and many of them won't be the same as yours. Take it from me, you do make mistakes and when you do your response is not open and transparent. Your presence on here telling us to shut up and put up is evidence of the mentality prevalent within your organisation.
[quote][p][bold]GB3416[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GB3416[/bold] wrote: Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone. As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington![/p][/quote]Well I don't know about parking at Halton but I do know about watching a loved one suffer and spend the last weeks of their life with incompetent and distracted staff. I know what it feels like to be told by a nurse friend from a inner city hospital that she spent one day as a bank nurse at Warrington General and would never return. I know what it's like to clean and feed my family member because your staff were too busy, I know what its like to hear from a highly respected Liverpool surgeon that some mistakes only happen in Warrington and I know what it's like to almost have to deliver my own son because you had a crisis in the labour ward also known as a weekend..I also know what it's like to hit a wall of silence from people who feel that it isn't our place to complain about our hospital[/p][/quote]It's very sad that you have had to experience poor care at the hands of the staff at Warrington Hospital, and I sincerely hope that you were able to complain and have a successful outcome from this. I can't comment on care provision on the wards as I have not worked on any of them, I provide a service within the Operating Theatre, and I can guarantee you it is far from incompetent, I don't know which Liverpool Surgeon you spoke to, but in 14 years at Warrington I've not heard of mistakes that only happen in Warrington. However I do agree that there are some nurses out there that would be better suited to a job in Tesco, the patients sometimes seem like an inconvenience to them![/p][/quote]mmm...I can feel the PR ointment just oozing over me. It's more than sad GB3416 and It'd take some pretty serious Doctor Who manoeuvring for me to obtain a 'successful outcome' from this. Everyone makes mistakes, I know that. But people need to learn from mistakes and part of that learning experience is about being held to account. You get 'wound up' by people complaining about the NHS?.. well I turn into a spinning top when told to be happy with what i've got and stop moaning. This is a public forum in a local newspaper. This is where people speak about their experiences and many of them won't be the same as yours. Take it from me, you do make mistakes and when you do your response is not open and transparent. Your presence on here telling us to shut up and put up is evidence of the mentality prevalent within your organisation. PageA
  • Score: -5

8:04am Thu 27 Mar 14

PageA says...

PageA wrote:
GB3416 wrote:
PageA wrote:
GB3416 wrote:
Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone.

As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington!
Well I don't know about parking at Halton but I do know about watching a loved one suffer and spend the last weeks of their life with incompetent and distracted staff. I know what it feels like to be told by a nurse friend from a inner city hospital that she spent one day as a bank nurse at Warrington General and would never return. I know what it's like to clean and feed my family member because your staff were too busy, I know what its like to hear from a highly respected Liverpool surgeon that some mistakes only happen in Warrington and I know what it's like to almost have to deliver my own son because you had a crisis in the labour ward also known as a weekend..I also know what it's like to hit a wall of silence from people who feel that it isn't our place to complain about our hospital
It's very sad that you have had to experience poor care at the hands of the staff at Warrington Hospital, and I sincerely hope that you were able to complain and have a successful outcome from this. I can't comment on care provision on the wards as I have not worked on any of them, I provide a service within the Operating Theatre, and I can guarantee you it is far from incompetent, I don't know which Liverpool Surgeon you spoke to, but in 14 years at Warrington I've not heard of mistakes that only happen in Warrington.

However I do agree that there are some nurses out there that would be better suited to a job in Tesco, the patients sometimes seem like an inconvenience to them!
mmm...I can feel the PR ointment just oozing over me. It's more than sad GB3416 and It'd take some pretty serious Doctor Who manoeuvring for me to obtain a 'successful outcome' from this. Everyone makes mistakes, I know that. But people need to learn from mistakes and part of that learning experience is about being held to account. You get 'wound up' by people complaining about the NHS?.. well I turn into a spinning top when told to be happy with what i've got and stop moaning. This is a public forum in a local newspaper. This is where people speak about their experiences and many of them won't be the same as yours. Take it from me, you do make mistakes and when you do your response is not open and transparent. Your presence on here telling us to shut up and put up is evidence of the mentality prevalent within your organisation.
Anyhow....I don't want to fall out with you, you have an important job to do today. If you allow us to complain it will put pressure on the people who make the decisions and that will benefit people like you who want to do the best they can and the patients who they serve. All the best
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GB3416[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GB3416[/bold] wrote: Well I don't know anything about gagging orders PageA, but as someone who provides these "incompetent" services at Warrington Hospital, I get very wound up by people always complaining about the NHS. It may not be perfect, it may be over subscribed and under funded, but the alternative is private health insurance for everyone. As an aside the parking provision at Halton is far more plentiful than it is at Warrington![/p][/quote]Well I don't know about parking at Halton but I do know about watching a loved one suffer and spend the last weeks of their life with incompetent and distracted staff. I know what it feels like to be told by a nurse friend from a inner city hospital that she spent one day as a bank nurse at Warrington General and would never return. I know what it's like to clean and feed my family member because your staff were too busy, I know what its like to hear from a highly respected Liverpool surgeon that some mistakes only happen in Warrington and I know what it's like to almost have to deliver my own son because you had a crisis in the labour ward also known as a weekend..I also know what it's like to hit a wall of silence from people who feel that it isn't our place to complain about our hospital[/p][/quote]It's very sad that you have had to experience poor care at the hands of the staff at Warrington Hospital, and I sincerely hope that you were able to complain and have a successful outcome from this. I can't comment on care provision on the wards as I have not worked on any of them, I provide a service within the Operating Theatre, and I can guarantee you it is far from incompetent, I don't know which Liverpool Surgeon you spoke to, but in 14 years at Warrington I've not heard of mistakes that only happen in Warrington. However I do agree that there are some nurses out there that would be better suited to a job in Tesco, the patients sometimes seem like an inconvenience to them![/p][/quote]mmm...I can feel the PR ointment just oozing over me. It's more than sad GB3416 and It'd take some pretty serious Doctor Who manoeuvring for me to obtain a 'successful outcome' from this. Everyone makes mistakes, I know that. But people need to learn from mistakes and part of that learning experience is about being held to account. You get 'wound up' by people complaining about the NHS?.. well I turn into a spinning top when told to be happy with what i've got and stop moaning. This is a public forum in a local newspaper. This is where people speak about their experiences and many of them won't be the same as yours. Take it from me, you do make mistakes and when you do your response is not open and transparent. Your presence on here telling us to shut up and put up is evidence of the mentality prevalent within your organisation.[/p][/quote]Anyhow....I don't want to fall out with you, you have an important job to do today. If you allow us to complain it will put pressure on the people who make the decisions and that will benefit people like you who want to do the best they can and the patients who they serve. All the best PageA
  • Score: -2

9:22am Thu 27 Mar 14

silverlady54 says...

While I can't complain about the once I went to Warrington for day surgery, I am quite happy to travel to Halton Hospital if needs be. It is easier to get to for one thing and the parking is certainly better. Anything is preferable to sitting in the traffic around Bridge Foot.
While I can't complain about the once I went to Warrington for day surgery, I am quite happy to travel to Halton Hospital if needs be. It is easier to get to for one thing and the parking is certainly better. Anything is preferable to sitting in the traffic around Bridge Foot. silverlady54
  • Score: 3

8:35pm Thu 27 Mar 14

old-codger says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
PageA wrote:
Brick Bazooka wrote:
Around 226 operations already take place at Halton Hospital every week, and this is expected to reach 12,000 by the end of the year.

At first glance this statistic looks quite shocking however let's do the math:

226 x 52 = 11,752

This leaves an increase of 248 a year

248 / 52 = 4.76 a week

If the readers want some statistics, work out how many times Helen Jones moans per week.
Confusing article this then. Should they have said '226 operations currently take place at Halton and that will rise to 230' because that's not a news story. Unless they 're saying that currently only 4.76 operations take place at Warrington and even those are about to stop...in which case warrington really stopped doing operations some time ago and now they're letting us know about it. Could do with some clarification please WG
With you on that PageA it is a quandary as to what is happening in Warrington. All I know is that, after a recent motorbike accident, I had three operations in as many days, so did I almost take the weekly quota for Warrington? Seems strange and very worrying for Warrington residents! I think I will look into Bupa.
Bupa is what this government want us all to join GRUMPY PARENT, But you wont be getting a refund on your NI contributions, I will be glad when the next election arrives so I can wave goodbye to the dearly departed torys.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Brick Bazooka[/bold] wrote: Around 226 operations already take place at Halton Hospital every week, and this is expected to reach 12,000 by the end of the year. At first glance this statistic looks quite shocking however let's do the math: 226 x 52 = 11,752 This leaves an increase of 248 a year 248 / 52 = 4.76 a week If the readers want some statistics, work out how many times Helen Jones moans per week.[/p][/quote]Confusing article this then. Should they have said '226 operations currently take place at Halton and that will rise to 230' because that's not a news story. Unless they 're saying that currently only 4.76 operations take place at Warrington and even those are about to stop...in which case warrington really stopped doing operations some time ago and now they're letting us know about it. Could do with some clarification please WG[/p][/quote]With you on that PageA it is a quandary as to what is happening in Warrington. All I know is that, after a recent motorbike accident, I had three operations in as many days, so did I almost take the weekly quota for Warrington? Seems strange and very worrying for Warrington residents! I think I will look into Bupa.[/p][/quote]Bupa is what this government want us all to join GRUMPY PARENT, But you wont be getting a refund on your NI contributions, I will be glad when the next election arrives so I can wave goodbye to the dearly departed torys. old-codger
  • Score: 1

11:06pm Thu 27 Mar 14

Soph4496 says...

What Warrington Hospital needs is new management! Its falling apart.
What Warrington Hospital needs is new management! Its falling apart. Soph4496
  • Score: 5

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