Early warning system to help alleviate traffic problems to be launched

Early warning system to help alleviate traffic problems to be launched

Early warning system to help alleviate traffic problems to be launched

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AN early warning system to provide motorists with times of planned swing bridge movements is to be launched in Warrington by July.

Detection equipment has now been installed at Latchford Locks and Runcorn Old Quay and work is now under way to link this equipment with the council’s traffic control room.

A system will then be developed to publish the information online and through social media.

The new system comes after the Warrington Guardian launched a campaign to stop the swing bridges in Latchford, Stockton Heath and Walton from opening during rush hour.

Clr Linda Dirir, executive board member for highways, transportation and climate change, said: “Peel have promised that the only time a vessel will pass through during peak time is when there’s no practicable alternative, and we’re confident that this will be a major help in reducing disruption."

Nick Bent, the Labour candidate for Warrington South in the next election, said: "We are making progress with Peel but a cross-party consensus behind my plan for an independent tribunal is the best way to guarantee a fair deal for Warrington."
 

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10:06pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Gripper_S says...

Oh come on.

It can be predicted when ships will dock at any seaport when they are several hours, even days out at sea. These timings are often published, so this proposal is lazy and unimaginative at the very least.

Several points arise immediately:

First, why is the notification only to be triggered in an east-west direction when the ship is at Latchford Locks? Is it not beyond the bounds of possibility that a prediction could be made when a ship leaves Salford- or at least at Irlam locks? The proposed system is tantamount to only telling passengers what time a train will arrive when it arrives at the previous station!
Secondly, surely there must be a more appropriate system of notification than 'online and through social media'? The people most affected will be drivers, and last time I looked it wasn't very possible (let alone legal) to access internet messages while driving- especially with the 'four-minute warning' notification proposed.

I'm not someone who works himself up into a stew about the bridges opening at any time, day or night- I see it as just one of those things to be factored into journey times. And, like the little kid I was in the 1970s watching ships travel through the town's outskirts when the bridge 'went off', I still like to catch the odd ship or two travelling along today, even if it causes some disruption. It's just that I think that if this IS going to lead to progress in the current situation, then a bit more realistic and thoughtful planning needs to be done.

Let's not be kidded that Peel will have the needs of the town at heart. There's only one thing that they are bothered about, and we all know what that is.

Clr Dirir et al, PLEASE just make sure that PROPER and SUITABLE warnings are posted on electronic signs along main routes some way from the bridges- ie at least one mile or so from the bridges in either direction, with at least two hours' notification, and an estimated time of bridge opening. There are electronic signs already around the town, carrying information about car parking, road closures and so on. Something along those lines might serve the needs of your electorate.
Oh come on. It can be predicted when ships will dock at any seaport when they are several hours, even days out at sea. These timings are often published, so this proposal is lazy and unimaginative at the very least. Several points arise immediately: First, why is the notification only to be triggered in an east-west direction when the ship is at Latchford Locks? Is it not beyond the bounds of possibility that a prediction could be made when a ship leaves Salford- or at least at Irlam locks? The proposed system is tantamount to only telling passengers what time a train will arrive when it arrives at the previous station! Secondly, surely there must be a more appropriate system of notification than 'online and through social media'? The people most affected will be drivers, and last time I looked it wasn't very possible (let alone legal) to access internet messages while driving- especially with the 'four-minute warning' notification proposed. I'm not someone who works himself up into a stew about the bridges opening at any time, day or night- I see it as just one of those things to be factored into journey times. And, like the little kid I was in the 1970s watching ships travel through the town's outskirts when the bridge 'went off', I still like to catch the odd ship or two travelling along today, even if it causes some disruption. It's just that I think that if this IS going to lead to progress in the current situation, then a bit more realistic and thoughtful planning needs to be done. Let's not be kidded that Peel will have the needs of the town at heart. There's only one thing that they are bothered about, and we all know what that is. Clr Dirir et al, PLEASE just make sure that PROPER and SUITABLE warnings are posted on electronic signs along main routes some way from the bridges- ie at least one mile or so from the bridges in either direction, with at least two hours' notification, and an estimated time of bridge opening. There are electronic signs already around the town, carrying information about car parking, road closures and so on. Something along those lines might serve the needs of your electorate. Gripper_S
  • Score: 7

7:11am Wed 12 Mar 14

dannyb210 says...

motorists could always check before they travel, not hard to pop online for 2 mins before you leave the house to see if there will be any shipping along the canal.

Lets face it, if you were going to travel anywhere via the motorways you would find a few mins to see if there are any problems so you can adjust your leaving time or allow sufficient time incase of any queuing.

The only people who are really that bothered by the bridge swings are parents driving the half a mile to local schools.

Bracing myself for the incoming barrage of moaning.
motorists could always check before they travel, not hard to pop online for 2 mins before you leave the house to see if there will be any shipping along the canal. Lets face it, if you were going to travel anywhere via the motorways you would find a few mins to see if there are any problems so you can adjust your leaving time or allow sufficient time incase of any queuing. The only people who are really that bothered by the bridge swings are parents driving the half a mile to local schools. Bracing myself for the incoming barrage of moaning. dannyb210
  • Score: 3

9:02am Wed 12 Mar 14

Freeborn John says...

I was interested to learn that the council has a 'traffic control room', does anybody ever go in it?
I was interested to learn that the council has a 'traffic control room', does anybody ever go in it? Freeborn John
  • Score: 3

4:20pm Wed 12 Mar 14

A.P.Moore says...

What good is an early warning system?

We need alternative routes, not an early warning system!!

What use is it knowing that the bridges are going to open if you have no other route to take?

Typically, Peel Holdings don't see this as their problem. They see it as a problem for the council (ie; the council tax payers of Warrington).

All Peel Holdings want to do is cream off as much profit as they can from using the canal. They're not intersted in the problems that they cause.

Oh, dannyb12, how have you come to the conclusion that it's only school-run parents who are bothered by the swing bridges?

Do you actually live anywhere near one of them? Do you have to work for a living?
What good is an early warning system? We need alternative routes, not an early warning system!! What use is it knowing that the bridges are going to open if you have no other route to take? Typically, Peel Holdings don't see this as their problem. They see it as a problem for the council (ie; the council tax payers of Warrington). All Peel Holdings want to do is cream off as much profit as they can from using the canal. They're not intersted in the problems that they cause. Oh, dannyb12, how have you come to the conclusion that it's only school-run parents who are bothered by the swing bridges? Do you actually live anywhere near one of them? Do you have to work for a living? A.P.Moore
  • Score: -2

4:44pm Wed 12 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

A.P.Moore wrote:
What good is an early warning system?

We need alternative routes, not an early warning system!!

What use is it knowing that the bridges are going to open if you have no other route to take?

Typically, Peel Holdings don't see this as their problem. They see it as a problem for the council (ie; the council tax payers of Warrington).

All Peel Holdings want to do is cream off as much profit as they can from using the canal. They're not intersted in the problems that they cause.

Oh, dannyb12, how have you come to the conclusion that it's only school-run parents who are bothered by the swing bridges?

Do you actually live anywhere near one of them? Do you have to work for a living?
Alternative routes name one that you could take that would be quicker than the actual bridge turning. And WTF has dannyb12 working or not got to do with this, it affects all Warrington if you live near it or not.
Still Grumpy
[quote][p][bold]A.P.Moore[/bold] wrote: What good is an early warning system? We need alternative routes, not an early warning system!! What use is it knowing that the bridges are going to open if you have no other route to take? Typically, Peel Holdings don't see this as their problem. They see it as a problem for the council (ie; the council tax payers of Warrington). All Peel Holdings want to do is cream off as much profit as they can from using the canal. They're not intersted in the problems that they cause. Oh, dannyb12, how have you come to the conclusion that it's only school-run parents who are bothered by the swing bridges? Do you actually live anywhere near one of them? Do you have to work for a living?[/p][/quote]Alternative routes name one that you could take that would be quicker than the actual bridge turning. And WTF has dannyb12 working or not got to do with this, it affects all Warrington if you live near it or not. Still Grumpy GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 0

4:26pm Thu 13 Mar 14

A.P.Moore says...

Grumpy parent; "And WTF has dannyb12 working or not got to do with this, it affects all Warrington if you live near it or not."

It's got everything to do with his comment.

If he's retired, or lives a life of leisure, then it's obvious that the bridge openings aren't going to affect him as much as someone who has no option but to drive through Warrington on their daily commute or during the course of their work.

Evidently, he thinks that only school-run parents are the only one's affected!!! And, as we all know, they're just a bone-idle bunch who drive 50 metres rather than walk (sarcasm, btw).

The alternative ROUTE (note the singular) is useless if you can't get to it.

HGV's and heavy commercial vehicles can't use it. If you get stuck being a queue of those, then you're going nowhere!

As I type, i've just got home after cycling from Appleton along the A50. There is a queue of traffic as far as the national speed limit secion of the A50 through Grappenhall because they're doing 'bridge maintenance', according to the cheeful chap from peel Holdings who I spoke to.

4pm on Thursday afternoon......great time to do maintenance lads!!

Perish the thought that Peel Holdings have to pay their employees a little over-time in order to do maintenance work in the evening. Why should they, when they can just bring the whole of Thelwall, Grappenhall and Latchford to a standstill and do it at 4pm?!

Look after the pennies, eh?
Grumpy parent; "And WTF has dannyb12 working or not got to do with this, it affects all Warrington if you live near it or not." It's got everything to do with his comment. If he's retired, or lives a life of leisure, then it's obvious that the bridge openings aren't going to affect him as much as someone who has no option but to drive through Warrington on their daily commute or during the course of their work. Evidently, he thinks that only school-run parents are the only one's affected!!! And, as we all know, they're just a bone-idle bunch who drive 50 metres rather than walk (sarcasm, btw). The alternative ROUTE (note the singular) is useless if you can't get to it. HGV's and heavy commercial vehicles can't use it. If you get stuck being a queue of those, then you're going nowhere! As I type, i've just got home after cycling from Appleton along the A50. There is a queue of traffic as far as the national speed limit secion of the A50 through Grappenhall because they're doing 'bridge maintenance', according to the cheeful chap from peel Holdings who I spoke to. 4pm on Thursday afternoon......great time to do maintenance lads!! Perish the thought that Peel Holdings have to pay their employees a little over-time in order to do maintenance work in the evening. Why should they, when they can just bring the whole of Thelwall, Grappenhall and Latchford to a standstill and do it at 4pm?! Look after the pennies, eh? A.P.Moore
  • Score: -1

6:19pm Fri 14 Mar 14

old-codger says...

Add another 15 minutes to your journey time, I do, I use the knutsford road swing bridge four times per week at 8.30am and 5.15pm and I have never had to wait more than 15 minutes on the few occasions that the bridge has been off.
Add another 15 minutes to your journey time, I do, I use the knutsford road swing bridge four times per week at 8.30am and 5.15pm and I have never had to wait more than 15 minutes on the few occasions that the bridge has been off. old-codger
  • Score: 0

7:23pm Fri 14 Mar 14

A.P.Moore says...

old-codger wrote:
Add another 15 minutes to your journey time, I do, I use the knutsford road swing bridge four times per week at 8.30am and 5.15pm and I have never had to wait more than 15 minutes on the few occasions that the bridge has been off.
Why should everyone driving between south and north Warrington have to add another 15 minutes to their journey time on the off-chance that Peel Holdings will want to open the bridges?

Don't reply with 'check their website' because the website doesn't include openings for their service vessels, which seem to be the reason for openings more often than ocean-going ships.

As for your claim of 'never having to wait more than 15 minutes', frankly, I don't believe you. You can claim anything to try to back up your opinion.

I've waited on Thelwall New Road for over 30 minutes before now following a bridge opening. I know. I timed it. On a watch.

It takes the bridges, at best, almost 7 minutes to open from the road barriers going down, then the ship has to pass, then another 7 minutes to open again. Then the backlog of accumulated traffic has to clear. Even the councils figures state that it takes in excess of 40 minutes for the roads to get back to normal after a bridge opening.

Do you think it's acceptable that one company can bring an entire town to a standstill whenever it feels like it, with no regard whatsoever for the the accumulated costs of the people they are holding up?

How long will it be before someone dies as a result of emergency vehicles being held up by bridge openings? There is a fire station and an ambulance station within walking distance of the Latchford bridge. It's a miracle that it hasn't already happened.
[quote][p][bold]old-codger[/bold] wrote: Add another 15 minutes to your journey time, I do, I use the knutsford road swing bridge four times per week at 8.30am and 5.15pm and I have never had to wait more than 15 minutes on the few occasions that the bridge has been off.[/p][/quote]Why should everyone driving between south and north Warrington have to add another 15 minutes to their journey time on the off-chance that Peel Holdings will want to open the bridges? Don't reply with 'check their website' because the website doesn't include openings for their service vessels, which seem to be the reason for openings more often than ocean-going ships. As for your claim of 'never having to wait more than 15 minutes', frankly, I don't believe you. You can claim anything to try to back up your opinion. I've waited on Thelwall New Road for over 30 minutes before now following a bridge opening. I know. I timed it. On a watch. It takes the bridges, at best, almost 7 minutes to open from the road barriers going down, then the ship has to pass, then another 7 minutes to open again. Then the backlog of accumulated traffic has to clear. Even the councils figures state that it takes in excess of 40 minutes for the roads to get back to normal after a bridge opening. Do you think it's acceptable that one company can bring an entire town to a standstill whenever it feels like it, with no regard whatsoever for the the accumulated costs of the people they are holding up? How long will it be before someone dies as a result of emergency vehicles being held up by bridge openings? There is a fire station and an ambulance station within walking distance of the Latchford bridge. It's a miracle that it hasn't already happened. A.P.Moore
  • Score: -1

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