Council and Peel Ports promise action on traffic chaos

The opening of the swing bridges can cause traffic chaos for motorists

Council and Peel Ports promise action on traffic chaos

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WARRINGTON Borough Council and Peel Ports have pledged to unite following growing pressure to minimise the traffic nightmare caused by the opening of the swing bridges.

Mounting frustration and anger from motorists has been revealed after the Warrington Guardian launched a campaign to tackle the traffic issues which triggers gridlock in the town. 

Senior council figures, including the council’s three party group leaders and the portfolio holder for transport, met with executives from Peel Ports today and agreed to work in partnership to reduce the number of swings in rush hour.

Peel Ports, who own and operate the swing bridges in Latchford, Walton and Stockton Heath over the Manchester Ship Canal, will draw up a memorandum of understanding with the council where both parties will commit to key actions aimed at reducing the impact of bridge swings.

Peel Ports Group chief operating officer Gary Hodgson said: “In 2014 we anticipate fewer than 100 swings during peak periods and we will do our best to maintain and even reduce this figure in future years.

“The only occasions when the bridges are in use during peak periods will be when we have no practicable alternative.”

Since 2011, the number of times the swing bridges have opened has increased from 506 to 749 in 2013.

This has resulted in an increase in openings at peak times from 79 in 2011 to 108 in 2013. This equates to 16 per cent and 14 per cent of all openings of the bridges, respectively.

Clr Linda Dirir, executive board member for highways, transportation and climate change, said: “Our highest priority was that Peel agreed to reduce the number of vessels passing through Warrington in what we identified as the red traffic period.

“We are absolutely committed to working together to minimise the disruption caused by this and will be regularly reviewing the number of sailings in this period.”

Work has started on an early warning system but, despite an ongoing discussion between Peel Ports and the council, a date has yet to be set to implement the scheme.

The system is said to have been flagged up as a ‘high priority’ by council officers.

The Labour candidate for Warrington South in next year’s General Election, Nick Bent said: "The pressure is on Peel to show they respect Warrington motorists.

"Labour’s plan for an independent tribunal to control the swing bridges could be the best solution until we get a new high-level bridge."

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7:09pm Tue 4 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

So basically you have achieved nothing and Peel Port's do not have to agree to anything with you or anyone. They own the canal and there is nothing they have to abide by that you can change. Get your smug face off WGW we know you are overpaid and completely useless and will not make any difference to this issue whatsoever. I am getting sick thinking that these so called politicians are deciding to do things when they sit on their a*s doing nothing until an election is called. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Still Grumpy
So basically you have achieved nothing and Peel Port's do not have to agree to anything with you or anyone. They own the canal and there is nothing they have to abide by that you can change. Get your smug face off WGW we know you are overpaid and completely useless and will not make any difference to this issue whatsoever. I am getting sick thinking that these so called politicians are deciding to do things when they sit on their a*s doing nothing until an election is called. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Still Grumpy GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 7

9:53pm Tue 4 Mar 14

fedster says...

grumpy they own the bridges not the water chap.


but all these story proves is when ever the comments get full of negativity they change the headline and just put it back up
grumpy they own the bridges not the water chap. but all these story proves is when ever the comments get full of negativity they change the headline and just put it back up fedster
  • Score: 5

7:43am Wed 5 Mar 14

flashcoffy says...

Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens.

On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.
Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens. On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week. flashcoffy
  • Score: 9

8:28am Wed 5 Mar 14

Freeborn John says...

Just wait until Port Salford starts firing on all cylinders, then we'll be able to decide if this is an issue or not, personally I suspect it will be.
Not that it will make any difference what we think even then, it's already game set and match to Peel Ports, what a walkover...
Just wait until Port Salford starts firing on all cylinders, then we'll be able to decide if this is an issue or not, personally I suspect it will be. Not that it will make any difference what we think even then, it's already game set and match to Peel Ports, what a walkover... Freeborn John
  • Score: -2

10:35am Wed 5 Mar 14

MikeJT says...

Now that this matter has been resolved can WG start a campaign to stop trains running on the west coast main line after 7pm at night. They wake up my kids just as I have got them off to sleep.



Thank god my kids are a lot older as somebody at the WG would no doubt think that this would be a cause worth fighting for !!!
Now that this matter has been resolved can WG start a campaign to stop trains running on the west coast main line after 7pm at night. They wake up my kids just as I have got them off to sleep. Thank god my kids are a lot older as somebody at the WG would no doubt think that this would be a cause worth fighting for !!! MikeJT
  • Score: 9

11:32am Wed 5 Mar 14

fedster says...

flashcoffy wrote:
Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens.

On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.
i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.
[quote][p][bold]flashcoffy[/bold] wrote: Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens. On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.[/p][/quote]i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto. fedster
  • Score: -6

7:20pm Wed 5 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

fedster wrote:
flashcoffy wrote:
Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens.

On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.
i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.
Hardly think even Peel Ports would expect some plonka kayaking up the ship canal. You must be nuts! Try Bridgewater canal far more nicer scenery.
Still Grumpy (and sane)
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashcoffy[/bold] wrote: Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens. On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.[/p][/quote]i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.[/p][/quote]Hardly think even Peel Ports would expect some plonka kayaking up the ship canal. You must be nuts! Try Bridgewater canal far more nicer scenery. Still Grumpy (and sane) GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 2

5:22am Thu 6 Mar 14

MikeJT says...

Simple. a licence is required for SHIPPING to travel the canal. A kayak is not SHIPPING.
Simple. a licence is required for SHIPPING to travel the canal. A kayak is not SHIPPING. MikeJT
  • Score: 9

8:31am Thu 6 Mar 14

flashcoffy says...

fedster wrote:
flashcoffy wrote:
Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens.

On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.
i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.
I always thought MSC was part of the Canoe England licence network?

Also by making 2 locations aware that you're there are you not contradicting your suggestion they only own the bridges and not the water/waterway?
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashcoffy[/bold] wrote: Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens. On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.[/p][/quote]i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.[/p][/quote]I always thought MSC was part of the Canoe England licence network? Also by making 2 locations aware that you're there are you not contradicting your suggestion they only own the bridges and not the water/waterway? flashcoffy
  • Score: 5

8:40am Thu 6 Mar 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

MikeJT wrote:
Simple. a licence is required for SHIPPING to travel the canal. A kayak is not SHIPPING.
Narrowboats using the MSC also need permits/licenses to travel along the waterway, so why not a kayak, canoe, raft or even a pontoon?
[quote][p][bold]MikeJT[/bold] wrote: Simple. a licence is required for SHIPPING to travel the canal. A kayak is not SHIPPING.[/p][/quote]Narrowboats using the MSC also need permits/licenses to travel along the waterway, so why not a kayak, canoe, raft or even a pontoon? SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 2

8:45am Thu 6 Mar 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
fedster wrote:
flashcoffy wrote:
Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens.

On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.
i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.
Hardly think even Peel Ports would expect some plonka kayaking up the ship canal. You must be nuts! Try Bridgewater canal far more nicer scenery.
Still Grumpy (and sane)
Using the Bridgewater canal would annoy the Narrowboaters and the fanatical fishermen/women. Additionally it is probably more traffic prone then the MSC with regards to the waterway traffic.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashcoffy[/bold] wrote: Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens. On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.[/p][/quote]i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.[/p][/quote]Hardly think even Peel Ports would expect some plonka kayaking up the ship canal. You must be nuts! Try Bridgewater canal far more nicer scenery. Still Grumpy (and sane)[/p][/quote]Using the Bridgewater canal would annoy the Narrowboaters and the fanatical fishermen/women. Additionally it is probably more traffic prone then the MSC with regards to the waterway traffic. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 5

12:24pm Thu 6 Mar 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
fedster wrote:
flashcoffy wrote:
Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens.

On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.
i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.
Hardly think even Peel Ports would expect some plonka kayaking up the ship canal. You must be nuts! Try Bridgewater canal far more nicer scenery.
Still Grumpy (and sane)
Using the Bridgewater canal would annoy the Narrowboaters and the fanatical fishermen/women. Additionally it is probably more traffic prone then the MSC with regards to the waterway traffic.
Fully aware of the requirements for narrow boats having owned several over the years. Also have kayak's and use them regular on the canals and never had a problem with fishermen/women or boater's. I just know you will never see me paddling up the MSC it's insane.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashcoffy[/bold] wrote: Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens. On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.[/p][/quote]i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.[/p][/quote]Hardly think even Peel Ports would expect some plonka kayaking up the ship canal. You must be nuts! Try Bridgewater canal far more nicer scenery. Still Grumpy (and sane)[/p][/quote]Using the Bridgewater canal would annoy the Narrowboaters and the fanatical fishermen/women. Additionally it is probably more traffic prone then the MSC with regards to the waterway traffic.[/p][/quote]Fully aware of the requirements for narrow boats having owned several over the years. Also have kayak's and use them regular on the canals and never had a problem with fishermen/women or boater's. I just know you will never see me paddling up the MSC it's insane. GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: 2

4:26pm Thu 6 Mar 14

fedster says...

Just out of curiosity why cant travel news pick up on the movement of ships on the canal during peak times and report them ?
Just out of curiosity why cant travel news pick up on the movement of ships on the canal during peak times and report them ? fedster
  • Score: 5

4:42pm Thu 6 Mar 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

fedster wrote:
Just out of curiosity why cant travel news pick up on the movement of ships on the canal during peak times and report them ?
They could easly but don't.
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: Just out of curiosity why cant travel news pick up on the movement of ships on the canal during peak times and report them ?[/p][/quote]They could easly but don't. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 5

4:48pm Thu 6 Mar 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Infact I can see that the COASTAL DENIZ will be at the swing bridges at about 5.20 p.m. tonight.It is on its way to Irlam.
Infact I can see that the COASTAL DENIZ will be at the swing bridges at about 5.20 p.m. tonight.It is on its way to Irlam. SAC_in_Warrington
  • Score: 6

10:10pm Sat 8 Mar 14

old-codger says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
So basically you have achieved nothing and Peel Port's do not have to agree to anything with you or anyone. They own the canal and there is nothing they have to abide by that you can change. Get your smug face off WGW we know you are overpaid and completely useless and will not make any difference to this issue whatsoever. I am getting sick thinking that these so called politicians are deciding to do things when they sit on their a*s doing nothing until an election is called. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
Still Grumpy
WOW... Spot on GRUMPY, Spot on.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: So basically you have achieved nothing and Peel Port's do not have to agree to anything with you or anyone. They own the canal and there is nothing they have to abide by that you can change. Get your smug face off WGW we know you are overpaid and completely useless and will not make any difference to this issue whatsoever. I am getting sick thinking that these so called politicians are deciding to do things when they sit on their a*s doing nothing until an election is called. RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR Still Grumpy[/p][/quote]WOW... Spot on GRUMPY, Spot on. old-codger
  • Score: 1

10:12pm Sat 8 Mar 14

old-codger says...

fedster wrote:
grumpy they own the bridges not the water chap.


but all these story proves is when ever the comments get full of negativity they change the headline and just put it back up
They also own the canal and the rights to open the bridges.
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: grumpy they own the bridges not the water chap. but all these story proves is when ever the comments get full of negativity they change the headline and just put it back up[/p][/quote]They also own the canal and the rights to open the bridges. old-codger
  • Score: 4

10:15pm Sat 8 Mar 14

old-codger says...

fedster wrote:
flashcoffy wrote:
Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens.

On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.
i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.
They don't open the swing bridges for rowing boats and canoe,s and the swing bridge opening times are the topic,
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashcoffy[/bold] wrote: Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens. On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.[/p][/quote]i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.[/p][/quote]They don't open the swing bridges for rowing boats and canoe,s and the swing bridge opening times are the topic, old-codger
  • Score: 4

10:20pm Sat 8 Mar 14

old-codger says...

flashcoffy wrote:
fedster wrote:
flashcoffy wrote:
Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens.

On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.
i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.
I always thought MSC was part of the Canoe England licence network?

Also by making 2 locations aware that you're there are you not contradicting your suggestion they only own the bridges and not the water/waterway?
MSC is private property and is not part of the Canoe England network,
The bridgewater canal is and as GRUMPY said much better scenery.
[quote][p][bold]flashcoffy[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]flashcoffy[/bold] wrote: Peel own the waterway, correct not the actual water but try using a boat there without a licence from Peel and watch what happens. On another note, I was stuck in a delay for ten minutes last night crossing the bridge at 6.30. TEN whole minutes. Hardly life changing and warranting 5 stories per week.[/p][/quote]i paddle up the Manchester ship canal a few times a year all you have to do is make 2 locations aware and hey presto.[/p][/quote]I always thought MSC was part of the Canoe England licence network? Also by making 2 locations aware that you're there are you not contradicting your suggestion they only own the bridges and not the water/waterway?[/p][/quote]MSC is private property and is not part of the Canoe England network, The bridgewater canal is and as GRUMPY said much better scenery. old-codger
  • Score: 4

11:09pm Sun 9 Mar 14

fedster says...

Where does my licence allow me to paddle 4500km of waterways?

All the Canal & River Trust canals and river navigations and the following Association of Inland Navigation Authorities waterways


The manchester ship canal is counted as

Other AINA Waterways

you have to radio through or bell through to access it .

how does it work with canal boats ?

Do they fit under it
Where does my licence allow me to paddle 4500km of waterways? All the Canal & River Trust canals and river navigations and the following Association of Inland Navigation Authorities waterways The manchester ship canal is counted as Other AINA Waterways you have to radio through or bell through to access it . how does it work with canal boats ? Do they fit under it fedster
  • Score: 0

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