Family of man shot by police in Culcheth say they are still looking for answers

Warrington Guardian: Family of man shot by police in Culcheth say they are still looking for answers Family of man shot by police in Culcheth say they are still looking for answers

THE family of an unarmed man who was shot dead by police in Culcheth have described their ‘heartbreaking loss’ on the second anniversary of Anthony Grainger’s death.

The 36-year-old Bolton man died from a single shot fired by a police officer on March 3, 2012.

Marina and John Schofield, the mother and stepfather of Anthony Grainger, said two years on, they ‘know little more’ than they did on the day Anthony was shot.

A statement read: “The last two years have been a terrible ordeal for Anthony’s family.

“Not only have they had the heart-breaking loss of Anthony but they have also had to contend with the frustrations and delays of the legal process.

“The role of the IPCC must be seriously called into question.

“There have been repeated delays in the finalisation and disclosure of the IPCC report and in maintaining its integrity once disclosed.

“The family remain bemused at the CPS’s decision not to charge the officer that shot Anthony with murder.

“They will continue to look at the possibility of judicially reviewing that decision...and remain absolutely determined to ensure that the true facts leading up to Anthony’s killing will be made public and that those responsible will face justice.”

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1:01pm Mon 3 Mar 14

fedster says...

and she recognised one as someone she had known for years.

Stuart Grainger, 21, was carrying what looked like a machine gun and his companion had a pistol, she said.

Moments later her partner, Derek Ianson, 25, was gunned down in front of her at their home in St Simon Street, Manchester Crown Court has heard.
Ms Phillips - mother of the victim's six year old son - said of the killing in May last year: ''I live that day every day of my life.''

She said she knew of two rows between Mr Ianson and Stuart Grainger - the second about 40 minutes before the shooting.




and they wonder why the family was not treated with kid gloves.
and she recognised one as someone she had known for years. Stuart Grainger, 21, was carrying what looked like a machine gun and his companion had a pistol, she said. Moments later her partner, Derek Ianson, 25, was gunned down in front of her at their home in St Simon Street, Manchester Crown Court has heard. Ms Phillips - mother of the victim's six year old son - said of the killing in May last year: ''I live that day every day of my life.'' She said she knew of two rows between Mr Ianson and Stuart Grainger - the second about 40 minutes before the shooting. and they wonder why the family was not treated with kid gloves. fedster
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11:14pm Mon 3 Mar 14

Brick Bazooka says...

Yawn.
Yawn. Brick Bazooka
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8:09am Tue 4 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

fedster wrote:
and she recognised one as someone she had known for years.

Stuart Grainger, 21, was carrying what looked like a machine gun and his companion had a pistol, she said.

Moments later her partner, Derek Ianson, 25, was gunned down in front of her at their home in St Simon Street, Manchester Crown Court has heard.
Ms Phillips - mother of the victim's six year old son - said of the killing in May last year: ''I live that day every day of my life.''

She said she knew of two rows between Mr Ianson and Stuart Grainger - the second about 40 minutes before the shooting.




and they wonder why the family was not treated with kid gloves.
So not only is it okay for an unarmed man to be shot to death on the street but also okay for relatives of criminals to be dealt with in an unprofessional and/or inhumane manner -does that sum up your thoughts?
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: and she recognised one as someone she had known for years. Stuart Grainger, 21, was carrying what looked like a machine gun and his companion had a pistol, she said. Moments later her partner, Derek Ianson, 25, was gunned down in front of her at their home in St Simon Street, Manchester Crown Court has heard. Ms Phillips - mother of the victim's six year old son - said of the killing in May last year: ''I live that day every day of my life.'' She said she knew of two rows between Mr Ianson and Stuart Grainger - the second about 40 minutes before the shooting. and they wonder why the family was not treated with kid gloves.[/p][/quote]So not only is it okay for an unarmed man to be shot to death on the street but also okay for relatives of criminals to be dealt with in an unprofessional and/or inhumane manner -does that sum up your thoughts? Nick Tessla
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8:15am Tue 4 Mar 14

MAD 4 IT says...

he was a GANGSTER wasnt he ? its great having plenty of CASH but he did it ILLEGALLY & all GANGSTERS are always looking over their shoulder ! i say he got what he DESERVES because he had a BAD REPUTATION and police didnt trust him and he could have killed a officer ! luckily he didnt get the chance !
he was a GANGSTER wasnt he ? its great having plenty of CASH but he did it ILLEGALLY & all GANGSTERS are always looking over their shoulder ! i say he got what he DESERVES because he had a BAD REPUTATION and police didnt trust him and he could have killed a officer ! luckily he didnt get the chance ! MAD 4 IT
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11:54am Tue 4 Mar 14

PageA says...

fedster wrote:
and she recognised one as someone she had known for years.

Stuart Grainger, 21, was carrying what looked like a machine gun and his companion had a pistol, she said.

Moments later her partner, Derek Ianson, 25, was gunned down in front of her at their home in St Simon Street, Manchester Crown Court has heard.
Ms Phillips - mother of the victim's six year old son - said of the killing in May last year: ''I live that day every day of my life.''

She said she knew of two rows between Mr Ianson and Stuart Grainger - the second about 40 minutes before the shooting.




and they wonder why the family was not treated with kid gloves.
So let me get this right....If the family member of anyone reading this comment is involved in a violent crime...or commits murder..then they themselves can be shot and killed by police even if they are unarmed and pose no threat?? There's quite a substantial gap between being treated with kid gloves and shot in the heart fedster. Is it right that the Police wrongly thought that Grainger had stolen a memory stick containing the names of police informants? The man never had any connection with firearms yet before the Police set off to intercept, the officers were warned that the men were armed and dangerous. mmmmm....What's your thoughts on Hillsborough?
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: and she recognised one as someone she had known for years. Stuart Grainger, 21, was carrying what looked like a machine gun and his companion had a pistol, she said. Moments later her partner, Derek Ianson, 25, was gunned down in front of her at their home in St Simon Street, Manchester Crown Court has heard. Ms Phillips - mother of the victim's six year old son - said of the killing in May last year: ''I live that day every day of my life.'' She said she knew of two rows between Mr Ianson and Stuart Grainger - the second about 40 minutes before the shooting. and they wonder why the family was not treated with kid gloves.[/p][/quote]So let me get this right....If the family member of anyone reading this comment is involved in a violent crime...or commits murder..then they themselves can be shot and killed by police even if they are unarmed and pose no threat?? There's quite a substantial gap between being treated with kid gloves and shot in the heart fedster. Is it right that the Police wrongly thought that Grainger had stolen a memory stick containing the names of police informants? The man never had any connection with firearms yet before the Police set off to intercept, the officers were warned that the men were armed and dangerous. mmmmm....What's your thoughts on Hillsborough? PageA
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12:33pm Tue 4 Mar 14

fedster says...

ok firstly intelligence was passed on that 3 in the car ALL had previous with firearms and where holding weapons.

a witness had phoned in saying they where armed. so their was a high risk.

and not involved in firearms you say he received a suspended sentence when his brother was charged for murder, for handling weapons.

but i agree their should have been more of a chance to do what he was told but iam sick to the back teeth of gangsters and their familys screaming that they have been wronged when their family is the cause of 3 known deaths and 4 or more possible deaths get to know the family and the lives their have wrecked before you defend them page and nick



as for hillsbourgh since i lost a real good friend their id like you to clarify what you mean by that ?
ok firstly intelligence was passed on that 3 in the car ALL had previous with firearms and where holding weapons. a witness had phoned in saying they where armed. so their was a high risk. and not involved in firearms you say he received a suspended sentence when his brother was charged for murder, for handling weapons. but i agree their should have been more of a chance to do what he was told but iam sick to the back teeth of gangsters and their familys screaming that they have been wronged when their family is the cause of 3 known deaths and 4 or more possible deaths get to know the family and the lives their have wrecked before you defend them page and nick as for hillsbourgh since i lost a real good friend their id like you to clarify what you mean by that ? fedster
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1:21pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

fedster wrote:
ok firstly intelligence was passed on that 3 in the car ALL had previous with firearms and where holding weapons.

a witness had phoned in saying they where armed. so their was a high risk.

and not involved in firearms you say he received a suspended sentence when his brother was charged for murder, for handling weapons.

but i agree their should have been more of a chance to do what he was told but iam sick to the back teeth of gangsters and their familys screaming that they have been wronged when their family is the cause of 3 known deaths and 4 or more possible deaths get to know the family and the lives their have wrecked before you defend them page and nick



as for hillsbourgh since i lost a real good friend their id like you to clarify what you mean by that ?
Intelligence has a number of meanings - one being the meaning you use, the other (which seems sadly lacking in this case) referring to cognitive processes.

And if their "intelligence" had lead them to gun down a man who was just waiting for his wife to come out of Sainsbury's?

An unarmed man was shot dead in the street - I find that hard to defend.

Mad4it , you may be happy to live in a world where the authorities are free to gun down people in the street, I am not.
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: ok firstly intelligence was passed on that 3 in the car ALL had previous with firearms and where holding weapons. a witness had phoned in saying they where armed. so their was a high risk. and not involved in firearms you say he received a suspended sentence when his brother was charged for murder, for handling weapons. but i agree their should have been more of a chance to do what he was told but iam sick to the back teeth of gangsters and their familys screaming that they have been wronged when their family is the cause of 3 known deaths and 4 or more possible deaths get to know the family and the lives their have wrecked before you defend them page and nick as for hillsbourgh since i lost a real good friend their id like you to clarify what you mean by that ?[/p][/quote]Intelligence has a number of meanings - one being the meaning you use, the other (which seems sadly lacking in this case) referring to cognitive processes. And if their "intelligence" had lead them to gun down a man who was just waiting for his wife to come out of Sainsbury's? An unarmed man was shot dead in the street - I find that hard to defend. Mad4it , you may be happy to live in a world where the authorities are free to gun down people in the street, I am not. Nick Tessla
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2:07pm Tue 4 Mar 14

fedster says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
fedster wrote:
ok firstly intelligence was passed on that 3 in the car ALL had previous with firearms and where holding weapons.

a witness had phoned in saying they where armed. so their was a high risk.

and not involved in firearms you say he received a suspended sentence when his brother was charged for murder, for handling weapons.

but i agree their should have been more of a chance to do what he was told but iam sick to the back teeth of gangsters and their familys screaming that they have been wronged when their family is the cause of 3 known deaths and 4 or more possible deaths get to know the family and the lives their have wrecked before you defend them page and nick



as for hillsbourgh since i lost a real good friend their id like you to clarify what you mean by that ?
Intelligence has a number of meanings - one being the meaning you use, the other (which seems sadly lacking in this case) referring to cognitive processes.

And if their "intelligence" had lead them to gun down a man who was just waiting for his wife to come out of Sainsbury's?

An unarmed man was shot dead in the street - I find that hard to defend.

Mad4it , you may be happy to live in a world where the authorities are free to gun down people in the street, I am not.
but what about the victims of their crime sprees nick ?

in fact some of this family was dragged over the hot coals for passing on firearms to dale creegen not 6 months after this incident.

the family is not whiter than white and as the saying goes live by the sword die by the sword.

yes he was unarmed and hindsight is a wonderful thing

but in the moment their and then you cant put yourselves in that situation unless you have been the other side of a gun.

They train real hard and try and make it as realistic as they can

lets not forget the shooting spree in the febuary of 2012 all in salford and manchester again criminal gangs involved. so police where already on edge.

i agree intelligence in not the be all and end all but again hindsight.

but just seems the 3 biggest cases in the news lately all stem from gangster being shot by police, in fact it was the cause of billions of pounds worth of damage during riots.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: ok firstly intelligence was passed on that 3 in the car ALL had previous with firearms and where holding weapons. a witness had phoned in saying they where armed. so their was a high risk. and not involved in firearms you say he received a suspended sentence when his brother was charged for murder, for handling weapons. but i agree their should have been more of a chance to do what he was told but iam sick to the back teeth of gangsters and their familys screaming that they have been wronged when their family is the cause of 3 known deaths and 4 or more possible deaths get to know the family and the lives their have wrecked before you defend them page and nick as for hillsbourgh since i lost a real good friend their id like you to clarify what you mean by that ?[/p][/quote]Intelligence has a number of meanings - one being the meaning you use, the other (which seems sadly lacking in this case) referring to cognitive processes. And if their "intelligence" had lead them to gun down a man who was just waiting for his wife to come out of Sainsbury's? An unarmed man was shot dead in the street - I find that hard to defend. Mad4it , you may be happy to live in a world where the authorities are free to gun down people in the street, I am not.[/p][/quote]but what about the victims of their crime sprees nick ? in fact some of this family was dragged over the hot coals for passing on firearms to dale creegen not 6 months after this incident. the family is not whiter than white and as the saying goes live by the sword die by the sword. yes he was unarmed and hindsight is a wonderful thing but in the moment their and then you cant put yourselves in that situation unless you have been the other side of a gun. They train real hard and try and make it as realistic as they can lets not forget the shooting spree in the febuary of 2012 all in salford and manchester again criminal gangs involved. so police where already on edge. i agree intelligence in not the be all and end all but again hindsight. but just seems the 3 biggest cases in the news lately all stem from gangster being shot by police, in fact it was the cause of billions of pounds worth of damage during riots. fedster
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2:20pm Tue 4 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

There are plenty of sayings like the sword one you, inevitably, trotted out. I prefer not to limit my thinking to desk calendar type clichés.

Believing that it is wrong for unarmed people to be shot dead in the street is not incompatible with having sympathy for other victims of violence.
There are plenty of sayings like the sword one you, inevitably, trotted out. I prefer not to limit my thinking to desk calendar type clichés. Believing that it is wrong for unarmed people to be shot dead in the street is not incompatible with having sympathy for other victims of violence. Nick Tessla
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3:05pm Tue 4 Mar 14

PageA says...

fedster wrote:
ok firstly intelligence was passed on that 3 in the car ALL had previous with firearms and where holding weapons.

a witness had phoned in saying they where armed. so their was a high risk.

and not involved in firearms you say he received a suspended sentence when his brother was charged for murder, for handling weapons.

but i agree their should have been more of a chance to do what he was told but iam sick to the back teeth of gangsters and their familys screaming that they have been wronged when their family is the cause of 3 known deaths and 4 or more possible deaths get to know the family and the lives their have wrecked before you defend them page and nick



as for hillsbourgh since i lost a real good friend their id like you to clarify what you mean by that ?
I mean that family members have had to fight their way for years through misinformation to get to the truth. You have a bit of a reputation for writing things down that are complete nonsense to support your argument.
I really dont have the time to locate all your claims so can you please link me to :

1. Evidence of previous firearms convictions?
2. Where there is mention of a witness phoning in regarding this planned police operation?
3. Evidence of his suspended sentence for handling weapons

Thanks in advance
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: ok firstly intelligence was passed on that 3 in the car ALL had previous with firearms and where holding weapons. a witness had phoned in saying they where armed. so their was a high risk. and not involved in firearms you say he received a suspended sentence when his brother was charged for murder, for handling weapons. but i agree their should have been more of a chance to do what he was told but iam sick to the back teeth of gangsters and their familys screaming that they have been wronged when their family is the cause of 3 known deaths and 4 or more possible deaths get to know the family and the lives their have wrecked before you defend them page and nick as for hillsbourgh since i lost a real good friend their id like you to clarify what you mean by that ?[/p][/quote]I mean that family members have had to fight their way for years through misinformation to get to the truth. You have a bit of a reputation for writing things down that are complete nonsense to support your argument. I really dont have the time to locate all your claims so can you please link me to : 1. Evidence of previous firearms convictions? 2. Where there is mention of a witness phoning in regarding this planned police operation? 3. Evidence of his suspended sentence for handling weapons Thanks in advance PageA
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9:57am Wed 5 Mar 14

Nick Tessla says...

I can still remember twenty plus years ago when a toddler was shot to death by a policeman carrying out a raid. No guns were found but "intelligence" suggested there might be.

The response of a church-going woman I knew (who would describe herself, wrongly in my opinion,as a Christian) was that is was only to be expected when you are born with a father who has a criminal record.

Unfortunately, I am sure there are those who would applaud her comments
I can still remember twenty plus years ago when a toddler was shot to death by a policeman carrying out a raid. No guns were found but "intelligence" suggested there might be. The response of a church-going woman I knew (who would describe herself, wrongly in my opinion,as a Christian) was that is was only to be expected when you are born with a father who has a criminal record. Unfortunately, I am sure there are those who would applaud her comments Nick Tessla
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