St Gregory's head teacher predicted school would fail Ofsted inspection

Warrington Guardian: Staff at St Gregory's High School are determined to get back on the right track Staff at St Gregory's High School are determined to get back on the right track

THE chairman of the board of governors at St Gregory’s High School said she was ‘shocked to the core’ when Ofsted rated the school as ‘inadequate’.

Despite executive head teacher David Lewis later explaining to parents that in June he called an extraordinary meeting of the full governing body to tell them ‘if Ofsted walked through the doors right now we would be placed in special measures’.

Concerned parents flooded the sports hall of St Gregory’s High School yesterday after the meeting was called by Mr Lewis and chairman Margaret Heelam.

The school on Cromwell Avenue was put in special measures by Ofsted after it was inspected in December, dropping from its previous grading of outstanding from three years ago.

Mr Lewis, who started at the school in April, outlined the school’s development priorities and how the staff are determined to return the school to an outstanding educational institution.

The father of four added: “What I want for my children I want for your children. I personally would be happy to send my children to St Gregory’s.”

Mr Lewis wanted to assure parents that the school is in line for its best results yet.

It was also announced that the school’s federated governing body, which it shares with Cardinal Newman High School, was to be removed and two new governing bodies would be put in its place.

Tim Warren, director of schools for the Archdiocese of Liverpool, said St Gregory’s new governing body would comprise of ‘almost completely new people’.

Parents voiced their concerns at the meeting following the Ofsted report with one parent calling the revelations ‘quite upsetting and depressing’.

When questioned on whether any science teachers had been asked to leave their posts after Ofsted flagged up science lessons as one of the main failings of the school, Mr Lewis replied ‘not yet’.

It was also revealed that the ‘serious incident’, which was mentioned in the report, was a bitter dispute between the council and the school after a pupil was permanently excluded after they brought razor blades into the school to self harm.

The pupil in question has since been allowed to return to the school.

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11:07am Sat 15 Feb 14

Sue2000 says...

I heard about the razor blade at the time this young boy is still I'm the school and it wasn't for self harming at all A pupil was threatened with these blades also mr warren couldn't lie straight in bed the amount of lies he told at that meeting this school is in worse state they were saying!! totally shocking that they find all this a shock heads of departments need to take responsibility heads should roll !!
I heard about the razor blade at the time this young boy is still I'm the school and it wasn't for self harming at all A pupil was threatened with these blades also mr warren couldn't lie straight in bed the amount of lies he told at that meeting this school is in worse state they were saying!! totally shocking that they find all this a shock heads of departments need to take responsibility heads should roll !! Sue2000

11:34am Sat 15 Feb 14

Magbag says...

Very worrying for parents. But what's the alternative? All schools are full!!!
Very worrying for parents. But what's the alternative? All schools are full!!! Magbag

7:36pm Sat 15 Feb 14

HappyMisery says...

Goes to show how close to the school the governors really are if they were shocked by the result. Happy to carry the title but how they could be shocked is beyond me. Look at the results from the school! Anyone with eyes can see that they are in decline. How come the governors weren't aware?
Goes to show how close to the school the governors really are if they were shocked by the result. Happy to carry the title but how they could be shocked is beyond me. Look at the results from the school! Anyone with eyes can see that they are in decline. How come the governors weren't aware? HappyMisery

12:52am Sun 16 Feb 14

Anonymous98 says...

I am a pupil at St Gregory's and personally I'm furious at the accusations made at our school. I am in my fifth year at the school and am well aware of the problems that have come to light due to the recent Ofsted inspections, over the last year many problems have arisen for different reasons but our school has been dealing with these issues.
My main worry for our school community isn't the teaching standards or idiotic pupils with bad manners but the negative approach in which Warrington is currently viewing our school; the majority of which who deem it fair to judge St Gregory's on these 'reports' are not even aware that only a few weeks later after the original Ofsted inspection there was a second inspection focusing on Religious Education and the community within our school and we were judged as Outstanding. So how can we be so heavily critisized and yet by a different section of Ofsted be so highly regarded?
Furthermore, the Guardian Newspaper - which is only publicising the negative aspects of our school - fail to mention anything which our school strives and succeeds in such as the Drama and Music department and their incredible results and dedication to their pupils, or the Young Leaders scheme and Seal evenings where pupils are actively involved in helping others for whatever reason. The majority of pupils at our school are hard-working, caring people. One of my friends gives up her break time every day to help people in the Augustine Suite, she also gives up her time during the evenings for school events and on weekends but she has never been forced to or unwillingly taken part. Does she seem like an uncontrollable, disrespectful teenager that the recent publicity over our Ofsted report deems the students of St Gregory's? She is only one of the many incredible people at our school who consistently thinks of others, upholds the Catholic ethos and also works extremely hard to hopefully obtain fantastic results in the summer and in the future.
So, if after reading about my feelings (which I'm sure can be reflected by many at our school: pupils and teachers alike) towards this sudden, public slander at St Gregory's and still feel it is appropriate to judge the teachers and pupils as a whole in such a prejudiced way without understanding all aspects of our communtiy please either make a POSITIVE influence or stop thinking that you are above us and it is your right to dismiss the incredible things St Gregory's has achieved in the will inevitably do in the furture.
I am a pupil at St Gregory's and personally I'm furious at the accusations made at our school. I am in my fifth year at the school and am well aware of the problems that have come to light due to the recent Ofsted inspections, over the last year many problems have arisen for different reasons but our school has been dealing with these issues. My main worry for our school community isn't the teaching standards or idiotic pupils with bad manners but the negative approach in which Warrington is currently viewing our school; the majority of which who deem it fair to judge St Gregory's on these 'reports' are not even aware that only a few weeks later after the original Ofsted inspection there was a second inspection focusing on Religious Education and the community within our school and we were judged as Outstanding. So how can we be so heavily critisized and yet by a different section of Ofsted be so highly regarded? Furthermore, the Guardian Newspaper - which is only publicising the negative aspects of our school - fail to mention anything which our school strives and succeeds in such as the Drama and Music department and their incredible results and dedication to their pupils, or the Young Leaders scheme and Seal evenings where pupils are actively involved in helping others for whatever reason. The majority of pupils at our school are hard-working, caring people. One of my friends gives up her break time every day to help people in the Augustine Suite, she also gives up her time during the evenings for school events and on weekends but she has never been forced to or unwillingly taken part. Does she seem like an uncontrollable, disrespectful teenager that the recent publicity over our Ofsted report deems the students of St Gregory's? She is only one of the many incredible people at our school who consistently thinks of others, upholds the Catholic ethos and also works extremely hard to hopefully obtain fantastic results in the summer and in the future. So, if after reading about my feelings (which I'm sure can be reflected by many at our school: pupils and teachers alike) towards this sudden, public slander at St Gregory's and still feel it is appropriate to judge the teachers and pupils as a whole in such a prejudiced way without understanding all aspects of our communtiy please either make a POSITIVE influence or stop thinking that you are above us and it is your right to dismiss the incredible things St Gregory's has achieved in the will inevitably do in the furture. Anonymous98

6:05am Sun 16 Feb 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Anonymous98 wrote:
I am a pupil at St Gregory's and personally I'm furious at the accusations made at our school. I am in my fifth year at the school and am well aware of the problems that have come to light due to the recent Ofsted inspections, over the last year many problems have arisen for different reasons but our school has been dealing with these issues.
My main worry for our school community isn't the teaching standards or idiotic pupils with bad manners but the negative approach in which Warrington is currently viewing our school; the majority of which who deem it fair to judge St Gregory's on these 'reports' are not even aware that only a few weeks later after the original Ofsted inspection there was a second inspection focusing on Religious Education and the community within our school and we were judged as Outstanding. So how can we be so heavily critisized and yet by a different section of Ofsted be so highly regarded?
Furthermore, the Guardian Newspaper - which is only publicising the negative aspects of our school - fail to mention anything which our school strives and succeeds in such as the Drama and Music department and their incredible results and dedication to their pupils, or the Young Leaders scheme and Seal evenings where pupils are actively involved in helping others for whatever reason. The majority of pupils at our school are hard-working, caring people. One of my friends gives up her break time every day to help people in the Augustine Suite, she also gives up her time during the evenings for school events and on weekends but she has never been forced to or unwillingly taken part. Does she seem like an uncontrollable, disrespectful teenager that the recent publicity over our Ofsted report deems the students of St Gregory's? She is only one of the many incredible people at our school who consistently thinks of others, upholds the Catholic ethos and also works extremely hard to hopefully obtain fantastic results in the summer and in the future.
So, if after reading about my feelings (which I'm sure can be reflected by many at our school: pupils and teachers alike) towards this sudden, public slander at St Gregory's and still feel it is appropriate to judge the teachers and pupils as a whole in such a prejudiced way without understanding all aspects of our communtiy please either make a POSITIVE influence or stop thinking that you are above us and it is your right to dismiss the incredible things St Gregory's has achieved in the will inevitably do in the furture.
An incredible summery of the reality of the situation,and I sincerely thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Anonymous98[/bold] wrote: I am a pupil at St Gregory's and personally I'm furious at the accusations made at our school. I am in my fifth year at the school and am well aware of the problems that have come to light due to the recent Ofsted inspections, over the last year many problems have arisen for different reasons but our school has been dealing with these issues. My main worry for our school community isn't the teaching standards or idiotic pupils with bad manners but the negative approach in which Warrington is currently viewing our school; the majority of which who deem it fair to judge St Gregory's on these 'reports' are not even aware that only a few weeks later after the original Ofsted inspection there was a second inspection focusing on Religious Education and the community within our school and we were judged as Outstanding. So how can we be so heavily critisized and yet by a different section of Ofsted be so highly regarded? Furthermore, the Guardian Newspaper - which is only publicising the negative aspects of our school - fail to mention anything which our school strives and succeeds in such as the Drama and Music department and their incredible results and dedication to their pupils, or the Young Leaders scheme and Seal evenings where pupils are actively involved in helping others for whatever reason. The majority of pupils at our school are hard-working, caring people. One of my friends gives up her break time every day to help people in the Augustine Suite, she also gives up her time during the evenings for school events and on weekends but she has never been forced to or unwillingly taken part. Does she seem like an uncontrollable, disrespectful teenager that the recent publicity over our Ofsted report deems the students of St Gregory's? She is only one of the many incredible people at our school who consistently thinks of others, upholds the Catholic ethos and also works extremely hard to hopefully obtain fantastic results in the summer and in the future. So, if after reading about my feelings (which I'm sure can be reflected by many at our school: pupils and teachers alike) towards this sudden, public slander at St Gregory's and still feel it is appropriate to judge the teachers and pupils as a whole in such a prejudiced way without understanding all aspects of our communtiy please either make a POSITIVE influence or stop thinking that you are above us and it is your right to dismiss the incredible things St Gregory's has achieved in the will inevitably do in the furture.[/p][/quote]An incredible summery of the reality of the situation,and I sincerely thank you. SAC_in_Warrington

8:15am Sun 16 Feb 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

"Accusations" people are commenting from fact's issued in a report from Ofsted. As for R.E, Music and Drama they are hardly the better subject's for you to succeed in the big wide world, and in the real "community" called life!
Still Grumpy
"Accusations" people are commenting from fact's issued in a report from Ofsted. As for R.E, Music and Drama they are hardly the better subject's for you to succeed in the big wide world, and in the real "community" called life! Still Grumpy GRUMPY PARENT

9:18am Sun 16 Feb 14

SAC_in_Warrington says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
"Accusations" people are commenting from fact's issued in a report from Ofsted. As for R.E, Music and Drama they are hardly the better subject's for you to succeed in the big wide world, and in the real "community" called life!
Still Grumpy
You will be surprised then to be told that there are many people who have used the skills that they would have learned in the aforesaid subjects, either as a main career strand or as a subsidiary strand as part of their work-life balance. The young scholar was correctly giving us the the inside view and pointing out that there were positives to be found in the school and during an adverse inspection of the school while it was recovering from sudden staff changed and a possible fraud investigation.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: "Accusations" people are commenting from fact's issued in a report from Ofsted. As for R.E, Music and Drama they are hardly the better subject's for you to succeed in the big wide world, and in the real "community" called life! Still Grumpy[/p][/quote]You will be surprised then to be told that there are many people who have used the skills that they would have learned in the aforesaid subjects, either as a main career strand or as a subsidiary strand as part of their work-life balance. The young scholar was correctly giving us the the inside view and pointing out that there were positives to be found in the school and during an adverse inspection of the school while it was recovering from sudden staff changed and a possible fraud investigation. SAC_in_Warrington

9:48am Sun 16 Feb 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
"Accusations" people are commenting from fact's issued in a report from Ofsted. As for R.E, Music and Drama they are hardly the better subject's for you to succeed in the big wide world, and in the real "community" called life!
Still Grumpy
You will be surprised then to be told that there are many people who have used the skills that they would have learned in the aforesaid subjects, either as a main career strand or as a subsidiary strand as part of their work-life balance. The young scholar was correctly giving us the the inside view and pointing out that there were positives to be found in the school and during an adverse inspection of the school while it was recovering from sudden staff changed and a possible fraud investigation.
Well I am not interested in what anyone else think's Maths, English and Science are the main subject's that any child should focus on. I think this "scholar" should be glad that Ofsted have stepped in to ensure that the school meet's the standard of education needed to compete with other school's. It's a tough time out there for children at the moment with limited places in colleges and the like. So in my opinion it's all good if St Greggs (or any other school for that matter) gets a kick in the rear from Ofsted.
Still Grumpy
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: "Accusations" people are commenting from fact's issued in a report from Ofsted. As for R.E, Music and Drama they are hardly the better subject's for you to succeed in the big wide world, and in the real "community" called life! Still Grumpy[/p][/quote]You will be surprised then to be told that there are many people who have used the skills that they would have learned in the aforesaid subjects, either as a main career strand or as a subsidiary strand as part of their work-life balance. The young scholar was correctly giving us the the inside view and pointing out that there were positives to be found in the school and during an adverse inspection of the school while it was recovering from sudden staff changed and a possible fraud investigation.[/p][/quote]Well I am not interested in what anyone else think's Maths, English and Science are the main subject's that any child should focus on. I think this "scholar" should be glad that Ofsted have stepped in to ensure that the school meet's the standard of education needed to compete with other school's. It's a tough time out there for children at the moment with limited places in colleges and the like. So in my opinion it's all good if St Greggs (or any other school for that matter) gets a kick in the rear from Ofsted. Still Grumpy GRUMPY PARENT

11:58am Sun 16 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
"Accusations" people are commenting from fact's issued in a report from Ofsted. As for R.E, Music and Drama they are hardly the better subject's for you to succeed in the big wide world, and in the real "community" called life!
Still Grumpy
it pains me to say that I agree with you - only so many job opportunities for singing nuns.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: "Accusations" people are commenting from fact's issued in a report from Ofsted. As for R.E, Music and Drama they are hardly the better subject's for you to succeed in the big wide world, and in the real "community" called life! Still Grumpy[/p][/quote]it pains me to say that I agree with you - only so many job opportunities for singing nuns. Nick Tessla

12:19pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Orsino says...

Anonymous98 wrote:
I am a pupil at St Gregory's and personally I'm furious at the accusations made at our school. I am in my fifth year at the school and am well aware of the problems that have come to light due to the recent Ofsted inspections, over the last year many problems have arisen for different reasons but our school has been dealing with these issues.
My main worry for our school community isn't the teaching standards or idiotic pupils with bad manners but the negative approach in which Warrington is currently viewing our school; the majority of which who deem it fair to judge St Gregory's on these 'reports' are not even aware that only a few weeks later after the original Ofsted inspection there was a second inspection focusing on Religious Education and the community within our school and we were judged as Outstanding. So how can we be so heavily critisized and yet by a different section of Ofsted be so highly regarded?
Furthermore, the Guardian Newspaper - which is only publicising the negative aspects of our school - fail to mention anything which our school strives and succeeds in such as the Drama and Music department and their incredible results and dedication to their pupils, or the Young Leaders scheme and Seal evenings where pupils are actively involved in helping others for whatever reason. The majority of pupils at our school are hard-working, caring people. One of my friends gives up her break time every day to help people in the Augustine Suite, she also gives up her time during the evenings for school events and on weekends but she has never been forced to or unwillingly taken part. Does she seem like an uncontrollable, disrespectful teenager that the recent publicity over our Ofsted report deems the students of St Gregory's? She is only one of the many incredible people at our school who consistently thinks of others, upholds the Catholic ethos and also works extremely hard to hopefully obtain fantastic results in the summer and in the future.
So, if after reading about my feelings (which I'm sure can be reflected by many at our school: pupils and teachers alike) towards this sudden, public slander at St Gregory's and still feel it is appropriate to judge the teachers and pupils as a whole in such a prejudiced way without understanding all aspects of our communtiy please either make a POSITIVE influence or stop thinking that you are above us and it is your right to dismiss the incredible things St Gregory's has achieved in the will inevitably do in the furture.
The best way to judge a school is by the calibre of its pupils, and this student's passionate defense of their school has certainly impressed me.

OFSTED are political tool, and it seems rather coincidental that one of the few Warrington schools resisting the pressure to convert to an Academy should find themselves in their crosshairs.
[quote][p][bold]Anonymous98[/bold] wrote: I am a pupil at St Gregory's and personally I'm furious at the accusations made at our school. I am in my fifth year at the school and am well aware of the problems that have come to light due to the recent Ofsted inspections, over the last year many problems have arisen for different reasons but our school has been dealing with these issues. My main worry for our school community isn't the teaching standards or idiotic pupils with bad manners but the negative approach in which Warrington is currently viewing our school; the majority of which who deem it fair to judge St Gregory's on these 'reports' are not even aware that only a few weeks later after the original Ofsted inspection there was a second inspection focusing on Religious Education and the community within our school and we were judged as Outstanding. So how can we be so heavily critisized and yet by a different section of Ofsted be so highly regarded? Furthermore, the Guardian Newspaper - which is only publicising the negative aspects of our school - fail to mention anything which our school strives and succeeds in such as the Drama and Music department and their incredible results and dedication to their pupils, or the Young Leaders scheme and Seal evenings where pupils are actively involved in helping others for whatever reason. The majority of pupils at our school are hard-working, caring people. One of my friends gives up her break time every day to help people in the Augustine Suite, she also gives up her time during the evenings for school events and on weekends but she has never been forced to or unwillingly taken part. Does she seem like an uncontrollable, disrespectful teenager that the recent publicity over our Ofsted report deems the students of St Gregory's? She is only one of the many incredible people at our school who consistently thinks of others, upholds the Catholic ethos and also works extremely hard to hopefully obtain fantastic results in the summer and in the future. So, if after reading about my feelings (which I'm sure can be reflected by many at our school: pupils and teachers alike) towards this sudden, public slander at St Gregory's and still feel it is appropriate to judge the teachers and pupils as a whole in such a prejudiced way without understanding all aspects of our communtiy please either make a POSITIVE influence or stop thinking that you are above us and it is your right to dismiss the incredible things St Gregory's has achieved in the will inevitably do in the furture.[/p][/quote]The best way to judge a school is by the calibre of its pupils, and this student's passionate defense of their school has certainly impressed me. OFSTED are political tool, and it seems rather coincidental that one of the few Warrington schools resisting the pressure to convert to an Academy should find themselves in their crosshairs. Orsino

12:50pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Anonymous98 says...

GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
GRUMPY PARENT wrote:
"Accusations" people are commenting from fact's issued in a report from Ofsted. As for R.E, Music and Drama they are hardly the better subject's for you to succeed in the big wide world, and in the real "community" called life!
Still Grumpy
You will be surprised then to be told that there are many people who have used the skills that they would have learned in the aforesaid subjects, either as a main career strand or as a subsidiary strand as part of their work-life balance. The young scholar was correctly giving us the the inside view and pointing out that there were positives to be found in the school and during an adverse inspection of the school while it was recovering from sudden staff changed and a possible fraud investigation.
Well I am not interested in what anyone else think's Maths, English and Science are the main subject's that any child should focus on. I think this "scholar" should be glad that Ofsted have stepped in to ensure that the school meet's the standard of education needed to compete with other school's. It's a tough time out there for children at the moment with limited places in colleges and the like. So in my opinion it's all good if St Greggs (or any other school for that matter) gets a kick in the rear from Ofsted.
Still Grumpy
Your views on this subject obviously have importance but my main point which I was trying to focus on initially is that our school does have flaws like any other school or place of work but due to the recent Ofsted inspection these issues have been highly publicised around Warrington and consequently we are a topic of conversation at the moment for negative reasons.
My point is that many people are judging us and the school without fully understanding all aspects of our school. I'm sure not many people are fully aware of the hard work and dedication in which the teachers strive to ensure good results for our GCSE's such as the triple award Science classes who come to school an hour early for an additional science lesson per week in addition to this the top set have been predicted that 80% of them are to achieve no less than an A or A*. As for your previous comment on the Music, Drama and R.E departments I am quite shocked to learn of such a small minded opinion in this day and age, in R.E part of our curriculum is to learn about a range of important issues such as Just War, Euthanasia, Abortion and the Government and their policies just to mention a few so perhaps an R.E GCSE may not affect the bigger picture but it certainly is helping to create young people with strong opinions and who are knowledgable about issues which are currently affecting Britain and the world. These three subjects are just as important as any other! Also the main issue highlighted by Ofsted was Science - which is going through major changes and is under superb leadership at the moment - not English or Maths both of which I find to be fantastic places of work.
I am glad that more measures are being put in place to make our school a better learning environment but I don't believe it is fair for people to read articles and such like and believe that St Gregory's is a bad place when in actuality it is a school with opportunities and a caring environment for the pupils to strive under.
I understand that parents etc will be concerned, but the thing to focus on is the behaviour, discipline and morality of their own children and the attitude that each child comes to school with after all a school is only as good as the people who fill it.
[quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]GRUMPY PARENT[/bold] wrote: "Accusations" people are commenting from fact's issued in a report from Ofsted. As for R.E, Music and Drama they are hardly the better subject's for you to succeed in the big wide world, and in the real "community" called life! Still Grumpy[/p][/quote]You will be surprised then to be told that there are many people who have used the skills that they would have learned in the aforesaid subjects, either as a main career strand or as a subsidiary strand as part of their work-life balance. The young scholar was correctly giving us the the inside view and pointing out that there were positives to be found in the school and during an adverse inspection of the school while it was recovering from sudden staff changed and a possible fraud investigation.[/p][/quote]Well I am not interested in what anyone else think's Maths, English and Science are the main subject's that any child should focus on. I think this "scholar" should be glad that Ofsted have stepped in to ensure that the school meet's the standard of education needed to compete with other school's. It's a tough time out there for children at the moment with limited places in colleges and the like. So in my opinion it's all good if St Greggs (or any other school for that matter) gets a kick in the rear from Ofsted. Still Grumpy[/p][/quote]Your views on this subject obviously have importance but my main point which I was trying to focus on initially is that our school does have flaws like any other school or place of work but due to the recent Ofsted inspection these issues have been highly publicised around Warrington and consequently we are a topic of conversation at the moment for negative reasons. My point is that many people are judging us and the school without fully understanding all aspects of our school. I'm sure not many people are fully aware of the hard work and dedication in which the teachers strive to ensure good results for our GCSE's such as the triple award Science classes who come to school an hour early for an additional science lesson per week in addition to this the top set have been predicted that 80% of them are to achieve no less than an A or A*. As for your previous comment on the Music, Drama and R.E departments I am quite shocked to learn of such a small minded opinion in this day and age, in R.E part of our curriculum is to learn about a range of important issues such as Just War, Euthanasia, Abortion and the Government and their policies just to mention a few so perhaps an R.E GCSE may not affect the bigger picture but it certainly is helping to create young people with strong opinions and who are knowledgable about issues which are currently affecting Britain and the world. These three subjects are just as important as any other! Also the main issue highlighted by Ofsted was Science - which is going through major changes and is under superb leadership at the moment - not English or Maths both of which I find to be fantastic places of work. I am glad that more measures are being put in place to make our school a better learning environment but I don't believe it is fair for people to read articles and such like and believe that St Gregory's is a bad place when in actuality it is a school with opportunities and a caring environment for the pupils to strive under. I understand that parents etc will be concerned, but the thing to focus on is the behaviour, discipline and morality of their own children and the attitude that each child comes to school with after all a school is only as good as the people who fill it. Anonymous98

1:30pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

I am just curious, and not making any assumptions, but am interested in whether when social issues, such as abortion (and perhaps others such as contraception, pre-marital sex and same-sex relationships) are addressed in RE whether all viewpoints and opinions are given the same weight or whether preference is given to that which fits in with Roman Catholic dogma.
I am just curious, and not making any assumptions, but am interested in whether when social issues, such as abortion (and perhaps others such as contraception, pre-marital sex and same-sex relationships) are addressed in RE whether all viewpoints and opinions are given the same weight or whether preference is given to that which fits in with Roman Catholic dogma. Nick Tessla

1:39pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Anonymous98 says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
I am just curious, and not making any assumptions, but am interested in whether when social issues, such as abortion (and perhaps others such as contraception, pre-marital sex and same-sex relationships) are addressed in RE whether all viewpoints and opinions are given the same weight or whether preference is given to that which fits in with Roman Catholic dogma.
We learn about all different viewpoints and so are given the tool to create our own opinions. We learn about a range of topics many of which are currently viewed in the media and due to the syllabus we study we look at the viewpoints of types of Christians not just Catholics and other religions such as Islam. My teacher always expresses how important it is to know about all walks of life and to not be one sided in anything but to always see the bigger picture which I believe is a great life lesson.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: I am just curious, and not making any assumptions, but am interested in whether when social issues, such as abortion (and perhaps others such as contraception, pre-marital sex and same-sex relationships) are addressed in RE whether all viewpoints and opinions are given the same weight or whether preference is given to that which fits in with Roman Catholic dogma.[/p][/quote]We learn about all different viewpoints and so are given the tool to create our own opinions. We learn about a range of topics many of which are currently viewed in the media and due to the syllabus we study we look at the viewpoints of types of Christians not just Catholics and other religions such as Islam. My teacher always expresses how important it is to know about all walks of life and to not be one sided in anything but to always see the bigger picture which I believe is a great life lesson. Anonymous98

1:50pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Nick Tessla says...

Anonymous98 wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
I am just curious, and not making any assumptions, but am interested in whether when social issues, such as abortion (and perhaps others such as contraception, pre-marital sex and same-sex relationships) are addressed in RE whether all viewpoints and opinions are given the same weight or whether preference is given to that which fits in with Roman Catholic dogma.
We learn about all different viewpoints and so are given the tool to create our own opinions. We learn about a range of topics many of which are currently viewed in the media and due to the syllabus we study we look at the viewpoints of types of Christians not just Catholics and other religions such as Islam. My teacher always expresses how important it is to know about all walks of life and to not be one sided in anything but to always see the bigger picture which I believe is a great life lesson.
i am glad that you include other religions but what about from a humanist/atheist perspective or one that simply ignores the religious angle. I realise that this is in an RE setting but there are viewpoints and opinions on issues that do not require a religious perspective.

To only select those backed up by faith does not give the full picture.
[quote][p][bold]Anonymous98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: I am just curious, and not making any assumptions, but am interested in whether when social issues, such as abortion (and perhaps others such as contraception, pre-marital sex and same-sex relationships) are addressed in RE whether all viewpoints and opinions are given the same weight or whether preference is given to that which fits in with Roman Catholic dogma.[/p][/quote]We learn about all different viewpoints and so are given the tool to create our own opinions. We learn about a range of topics many of which are currently viewed in the media and due to the syllabus we study we look at the viewpoints of types of Christians not just Catholics and other religions such as Islam. My teacher always expresses how important it is to know about all walks of life and to not be one sided in anything but to always see the bigger picture which I believe is a great life lesson.[/p][/quote]i am glad that you include other religions but what about from a humanist/atheist perspective or one that simply ignores the religious angle. I realise that this is in an RE setting but there are viewpoints and opinions on issues that do not require a religious perspective. To only select those backed up by faith does not give the full picture. Nick Tessla

2:18pm Sun 16 Feb 14

Anonymous98 says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
Anonymous98 wrote:
Nick Tessla wrote:
I am just curious, and not making any assumptions, but am interested in whether when social issues, such as abortion (and perhaps others such as contraception, pre-marital sex and same-sex relationships) are addressed in RE whether all viewpoints and opinions are given the same weight or whether preference is given to that which fits in with Roman Catholic dogma.
We learn about all different viewpoints and so are given the tool to create our own opinions. We learn about a range of topics many of which are currently viewed in the media and due to the syllabus we study we look at the viewpoints of types of Christians not just Catholics and other religions such as Islam. My teacher always expresses how important it is to know about all walks of life and to not be one sided in anything but to always see the bigger picture which I believe is a great life lesson.
i am glad that you include other religions but what about from a humanist/atheist perspective or one that simply ignores the religious angle. I realise that this is in an RE setting but there are viewpoints and opinions on issues that do not require a religious perspective.

To only select those backed up by faith does not give the full picture.
Oh no, sorry we do also learn about non-religious points of view as well and how a person may not be reliant on a religion for help in matters in life but we can also use our conscience which is interpreted in different ways. Our RE lessons are totally bias-free and we get taught a range of perspectives in order to construct our own justifiesd opinions - religious or not. These opinions then enable us to answer the exam questions to a brilliant extents, allowing open minds and hopefully great results.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Anonymous98[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: I am just curious, and not making any assumptions, but am interested in whether when social issues, such as abortion (and perhaps others such as contraception, pre-marital sex and same-sex relationships) are addressed in RE whether all viewpoints and opinions are given the same weight or whether preference is given to that which fits in with Roman Catholic dogma.[/p][/quote]We learn about all different viewpoints and so are given the tool to create our own opinions. We learn about a range of topics many of which are currently viewed in the media and due to the syllabus we study we look at the viewpoints of types of Christians not just Catholics and other religions such as Islam. My teacher always expresses how important it is to know about all walks of life and to not be one sided in anything but to always see the bigger picture which I believe is a great life lesson.[/p][/quote]i am glad that you include other religions but what about from a humanist/atheist perspective or one that simply ignores the religious angle. I realise that this is in an RE setting but there are viewpoints and opinions on issues that do not require a religious perspective. To only select those backed up by faith does not give the full picture.[/p][/quote]Oh no, sorry we do also learn about non-religious points of view as well and how a person may not be reliant on a religion for help in matters in life but we can also use our conscience which is interpreted in different ways. Our RE lessons are totally bias-free and we get taught a range of perspectives in order to construct our own justifiesd opinions - religious or not. These opinions then enable us to answer the exam questions to a brilliant extents, allowing open minds and hopefully great results. Anonymous98

8:11am Fri 14 Mar 14

Wolvesfan69 says...

HappyMisery wrote:
Goes to show how close to the school the governors really are if they were shocked by the result. Happy to carry the title but how they could be shocked is beyond me. Look at the results from the school! Anyone with eyes can see that they are in decline. How come the governors weren't aware?
The governors must be the only ones who couldn't see it coming. The main problem here is the quality and consistency of ofsted inspections. The previous inspection clearly had the wool pulled over their eyes as any other parent of the school could tell. Obviously the management at the time were good at covering things up and preventing a rosy picture. Having said that the lessons inspected at the time of the previous two inspections were all judged to be good or better - so the teachers clearly doing their job well. There are, and have been some excellent teachers at the school. The previous exam results are testament to this - despite and not because of the quality of management at the school over the past several years.
Teachers struggled to maintain real discipline as any sanctions they imposed were frequently ignored by a sizeable 'core' of pupils and when passed on to management the support was rarely, if ever, there. Management seemed scared of challenging certain parents over their childs behaviour. Eventually demoralised teachers give up trying to impose sanctions.
Sadly the focus of the school seems to have been collecting 'badges' or logos for the school headed paper. Much of which has been a box ticking exercise and lip service. The SEAL stuff is a standing joke amongst many pupils. Great on paper but innefective on the disruptive and challenging behaviour of some pupils without the discipline structures of old.
The school was supposed to be a leader for teaching and learning - clearly the staff in charge of this were out of their depth. Again talking a good game but obviously not up to the job, likely appointed and promoted more out of who they knew rather than what they knew which I know is common in many schools, not just St Gregs.
Some departments have, in recent years, lost excellent and inspirational teachers with much experience. This must have also had an effect but if good support was there from senior management the effect would be much less than it seems to have been.
To me the other worrying aspect of the report is the reference to financial irregularities. What are/were the governors doing here? Other parents of G+T pupils will probably be aware that money was brought into the school for this through a nuber of initiatives and by the hard work of individual teachers. Yet the funding of activities linked to G+T within the school always seemed to be lacking somewhat. I'm sure the monies still remained within the school budget but was it allocated as it should have been? Perhaps this is why some of our better pupils were not stretched as much as they could have been?
I hope this inspection has highlighted the underlying problems in management and particularly their lack of support for teachers and discipline. Maybe heads will roll, who knows? Either way it should serve as a boost to getting something done and putting St Gregs back up where it belongs.
[quote][p][bold]HappyMisery[/bold] wrote: Goes to show how close to the school the governors really are if they were shocked by the result. Happy to carry the title but how they could be shocked is beyond me. Look at the results from the school! Anyone with eyes can see that they are in decline. How come the governors weren't aware?[/p][/quote]The governors must be the only ones who couldn't see it coming. The main problem here is the quality and consistency of ofsted inspections. The previous inspection clearly had the wool pulled over their eyes as any other parent of the school could tell. Obviously the management at the time were good at covering things up and preventing a rosy picture. Having said that the lessons inspected at the time of the previous two inspections were all judged to be good or better - so the teachers clearly doing their job well. There are, and have been some excellent teachers at the school. The previous exam results are testament to this - despite and not because of the quality of management at the school over the past several years. Teachers struggled to maintain real discipline as any sanctions they imposed were frequently ignored by a sizeable 'core' of pupils and when passed on to management the support was rarely, if ever, there. Management seemed scared of challenging certain parents over their childs behaviour. Eventually demoralised teachers give up trying to impose sanctions. Sadly the focus of the school seems to have been collecting 'badges' or logos for the school headed paper. Much of which has been a box ticking exercise and lip service. The SEAL stuff is a standing joke amongst many pupils. Great on paper but innefective on the disruptive and challenging behaviour of some pupils without the discipline structures of old. The school was supposed to be a leader for teaching and learning - clearly the staff in charge of this were out of their depth. Again talking a good game but obviously not up to the job, likely appointed and promoted more out of who they knew rather than what they knew which I know is common in many schools, not just St Gregs. Some departments have, in recent years, lost excellent and inspirational teachers with much experience. This must have also had an effect but if good support was there from senior management the effect would be much less than it seems to have been. To me the other worrying aspect of the report is the reference to financial irregularities. What are/were the governors doing here? Other parents of G+T pupils will probably be aware that money was brought into the school for this through a nuber of initiatives and by the hard work of individual teachers. Yet the funding of activities linked to G+T within the school always seemed to be lacking somewhat. I'm sure the monies still remained within the school budget but was it allocated as it should have been? Perhaps this is why some of our better pupils were not stretched as much as they could have been? I hope this inspection has highlighted the underlying problems in management and particularly their lack of support for teachers and discipline. Maybe heads will roll, who knows? Either way it should serve as a boost to getting something done and putting St Gregs back up where it belongs. Wolvesfan69

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