Swing bridge use increased by more than 40 per cent at rush hour

Warrington Guardian: Swing bridge use increased by more than 40 per cent at rush hour Swing bridge use increased by more than 40 per cent at rush hour

SWING bridge openings during rush hour in Warrington have increased by more than 40 per cent from 2012 to 2013, it has been revealed.

Warrington Borough Council reported that the number has increased from 76 in 2012 to 108 in 2013 - an increase of 42 per cent.

Senior council officials are currently preparing to meet with bosses at Peel Ports, the company who owns and operates the swing bridges in Latchford, Walton and Stockton Heath over the Manchester Ship Canal.

Council officials called for an urgent meeting last week with the company to discuss the council’s ‘reasonable proposals’ to alleviate the problems.

The council’s cabinet member for highways, Clr Linda Dirir, said Peel Ports must commit to minimising the disruption.

She added: “We now need Peel to agree to limit the number of sailings in the peak period to a level of 100 a year or below.”

Clr Dirir outlined a number of proposals, which the council believe will seek to reduce the problems caused by the opening of swing bridges.

This includes Peel Ports signing the memorandum of understanding, which would commit themselves to sailings during rush hour to below 100 a year.

Clr Dirir said: “It’s vital that Peel agree to the council’s very reasonable proposals. After all, at one of our meetings last year, Gary Hodgson, Peel Ports’ chief operating officer, said in public that he saw any sailings by non-urgent vessels in the peak hours as a company failure.”

She added: “We also want to see them commit to improving the mechanisms of their bridges in order to make them swing faster so they’ll be open for shorter periods of time, minimising the disruption caused every time they open.

“The council does acknowledge the need to work in partnership and we have committed to introducing a system to provide advanced warning of planned shipping movements to stakeholders through the use of an early warning system.”

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8:37am Thu 6 Feb 14

PageA says...

Ahhh yes..the council PR and Communications team! Bit late but welcome to the discussion. If you're not too busy scrambling to look like you're in control of this situation I'd like to know when you were made aware of Peel's intentions to awaken the stretch of waterway between Manchester and Liverpool? What exactly were you doing in all the meetings? And when were you going to let the rest of us know about it? I would be very surprised if Peel agree to any restriction placed upon them and why should they...What on Earth is a non-urgent vessel? I presume that's just one that is messing about on the water and not carrying freight. Do these boats get tanken out for joy rides often? An early warning service isn't going to minimise disruption although...A punch in the face still hurts if you know it's coming! I look forward to seeing a man with a big can of oil getting to work on the mechanisms soon.
Ahhh yes..the council PR and Communications team! Bit late but welcome to the discussion. If you're not too busy scrambling to look like you're in control of this situation I'd like to know when you were made aware of Peel's intentions to awaken the stretch of waterway between Manchester and Liverpool? What exactly were you doing in all the meetings? And when were you going to let the rest of us know about it? I would be very surprised if Peel agree to any restriction placed upon them and why should they...What on Earth is a non-urgent vessel? I presume that's just one that is messing about on the water and not carrying freight. Do these boats get tanken out for joy rides often? An early warning service isn't going to minimise disruption although...A punch in the face still hurts if you know it's coming! I look forward to seeing a man with a big can of oil getting to work on the mechanisms soon. PageA

9:26am Thu 6 Feb 14

Curious_72 says...

There needs to be more warning signs for when the bridges are off so that drivers can take appropriate action! The single sign on Chester Road on the approach in Warrington is under utilised and in my opinion in the wrong place as by the time your close enough to be able to read it you already stuck in the traffic. Halton BC have a sign for the Runcorn/Widnes bridge up at Daresbury before you turn onto the expressway, why can't Warrington invest in some signage like this?
There needs to be more warning signs for when the bridges are off so that drivers can take appropriate action! The single sign on Chester Road on the approach in Warrington is under utilised and in my opinion in the wrong place as by the time your close enough to be able to read it you already stuck in the traffic. Halton BC have a sign for the Runcorn/Widnes bridge up at Daresbury before you turn onto the expressway, why can't Warrington invest in some signage like this? Curious_72

9:45am Thu 6 Feb 14

PageA says...

Curious_72 wrote:
There needs to be more warning signs for when the bridges are off so that drivers can take appropriate action! The single sign on Chester Road on the approach in Warrington is under utilised and in my opinion in the wrong place as by the time your close enough to be able to read it you already stuck in the traffic. Halton BC have a sign for the Runcorn/Widnes bridge up at Daresbury before you turn onto the expressway, why can't Warrington invest in some signage like this?
I'm curious..Curious. How would the signs help? If thousands of cars are heading South and a warning pops up on the sign.. What happens then? Does everyone stop in the town centre? Do we all turn around and rush North? I'm not trying to be funny, I've read about the signs on here many times but I just don't understand how they would help if you're on the road with somewhere to go
[quote][p][bold]Curious_72[/bold] wrote: There needs to be more warning signs for when the bridges are off so that drivers can take appropriate action! The single sign on Chester Road on the approach in Warrington is under utilised and in my opinion in the wrong place as by the time your close enough to be able to read it you already stuck in the traffic. Halton BC have a sign for the Runcorn/Widnes bridge up at Daresbury before you turn onto the expressway, why can't Warrington invest in some signage like this?[/p][/quote]I'm curious..Curious. How would the signs help? If thousands of cars are heading South and a warning pops up on the sign.. What happens then? Does everyone stop in the town centre? Do we all turn around and rush North? I'm not trying to be funny, I've read about the signs on here many times but I just don't understand how they would help if you're on the road with somewhere to go PageA

10:29am Thu 6 Feb 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

PageA wrote:
Ahhh yes..the council PR and Communications team! Bit late but welcome to the discussion. If you're not too busy scrambling to look like you're in control of this situation I'd like to know when you were made aware of Peel's intentions to awaken the stretch of waterway between Manchester and Liverpool? What exactly were you doing in all the meetings? And when were you going to let the rest of us know about it? I would be very surprised if Peel agree to any restriction placed upon them and why should they...What on Earth is a non-urgent vessel? I presume that's just one that is messing about on the water and not carrying freight. Do these boats get tanken out for joy rides often? An early warning service isn't going to minimise disruption although...A punch in the face still hurts if you know it's coming! I look forward to seeing a man with a big can of oil getting to work on the mechanisms soon.
PageA this is the 70% I was on about! Love it when you go off on one, very funny.
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: Ahhh yes..the council PR and Communications team! Bit late but welcome to the discussion. If you're not too busy scrambling to look like you're in control of this situation I'd like to know when you were made aware of Peel's intentions to awaken the stretch of waterway between Manchester and Liverpool? What exactly were you doing in all the meetings? And when were you going to let the rest of us know about it? I would be very surprised if Peel agree to any restriction placed upon them and why should they...What on Earth is a non-urgent vessel? I presume that's just one that is messing about on the water and not carrying freight. Do these boats get tanken out for joy rides often? An early warning service isn't going to minimise disruption although...A punch in the face still hurts if you know it's coming! I look forward to seeing a man with a big can of oil getting to work on the mechanisms soon.[/p][/quote]PageA this is the 70% I was on about! Love it when you go off on one, very funny. GRUMPY PARENT

11:28am Thu 6 Feb 14

Curious_72 says...

PageA wrote:
Curious_72 wrote:
There needs to be more warning signs for when the bridges are off so that drivers can take appropriate action! The single sign on Chester Road on the approach in Warrington is under utilised and in my opinion in the wrong place as by the time your close enough to be able to read it you already stuck in the traffic. Halton BC have a sign for the Runcorn/Widnes bridge up at Daresbury before you turn onto the expressway, why can't Warrington invest in some signage like this?
I'm curious..Curious. How would the signs help? If thousands of cars are heading South and a warning pops up on the sign.. What happens then? Does everyone stop in the town centre? Do we all turn around and rush North? I'm not trying to be funny, I've read about the signs on here many times but I just don't understand how they would help if you're on the road with somewhere to go
Signs = knowledge, that way you can decide if you want to take another appropriate route! At the moment if you get suck on Chester Road (Walton) you have no idea if it's due to the bridge or just heavy traffic (like when some idiot causes the M6 to shut), Personally if I knew a hold up was due to the bridge being off then I would happy wait in the line of traffic, turn my engine off and play Candy Crush until the traffic started moving!
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Curious_72[/bold] wrote: There needs to be more warning signs for when the bridges are off so that drivers can take appropriate action! The single sign on Chester Road on the approach in Warrington is under utilised and in my opinion in the wrong place as by the time your close enough to be able to read it you already stuck in the traffic. Halton BC have a sign for the Runcorn/Widnes bridge up at Daresbury before you turn onto the expressway, why can't Warrington invest in some signage like this?[/p][/quote]I'm curious..Curious. How would the signs help? If thousands of cars are heading South and a warning pops up on the sign.. What happens then? Does everyone stop in the town centre? Do we all turn around and rush North? I'm not trying to be funny, I've read about the signs on here many times but I just don't understand how they would help if you're on the road with somewhere to go[/p][/quote]Signs = knowledge, that way you can decide if you want to take another appropriate route! At the moment if you get suck on Chester Road (Walton) you have no idea if it's due to the bridge or just heavy traffic (like when some idiot causes the M6 to shut), Personally if I knew a hold up was due to the bridge being off then I would happy wait in the line of traffic, turn my engine off and play Candy Crush until the traffic started moving! Curious_72

12:07pm Thu 6 Feb 14

fedster says...

that might have been last years stats but ive been watching ais for 19 days now and NOT ONE Single boat has come through at rush hour, so unless the tide is out of sync.


so i t must be down a few % now.
that might have been last years stats but ive been watching ais for 19 days now and NOT ONE Single boat has come through at rush hour, so unless the tide is out of sync. so i t must be down a few % now. fedster

12:10pm Thu 6 Feb 14

fedster says...

PageA wrote:
Ahhh yes..the council PR and Communications team! Bit late but welcome to the discussion. If you're not too busy scrambling to look like you're in control of this situation I'd like to know when you were made aware of Peel's intentions to awaken the stretch of waterway between Manchester and Liverpool? What exactly were you doing in all the meetings? And when were you going to let the rest of us know about it? I would be very surprised if Peel agree to any restriction placed upon them and why should they...What on Earth is a non-urgent vessel? I presume that's just one that is messing about on the water and not carrying freight. Do these boats get tanken out for joy rides often? An early warning service isn't going to minimise disruption although...A punch in the face still hurts if you know it's coming! I look forward to seeing a man with a big can of oil getting to work on the mechanisms soon.
the non urgent will possibly be barges pagey
they have already provided 100 tickets or licenses to use the canal.but i cant see the swing bridges will need opening for them.

in a few weeks the arklow fleet will be heading to irlam for some sort of grain runs (normally last a month or 2)

the main ship up and down is the coastal deniz general cargo.

and in march the mersey ferry does its trips 3 a week.
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: Ahhh yes..the council PR and Communications team! Bit late but welcome to the discussion. If you're not too busy scrambling to look like you're in control of this situation I'd like to know when you were made aware of Peel's intentions to awaken the stretch of waterway between Manchester and Liverpool? What exactly were you doing in all the meetings? And when were you going to let the rest of us know about it? I would be very surprised if Peel agree to any restriction placed upon them and why should they...What on Earth is a non-urgent vessel? I presume that's just one that is messing about on the water and not carrying freight. Do these boats get tanken out for joy rides often? An early warning service isn't going to minimise disruption although...A punch in the face still hurts if you know it's coming! I look forward to seeing a man with a big can of oil getting to work on the mechanisms soon.[/p][/quote]the non urgent will possibly be barges pagey they have already provided 100 tickets or licenses to use the canal.but i cant see the swing bridges will need opening for them. in a few weeks the arklow fleet will be heading to irlam for some sort of grain runs (normally last a month or 2) the main ship up and down is the coastal deniz general cargo. and in march the mersey ferry does its trips 3 a week. fedster

12:25pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Curious_72 says...

fedster wrote:
that might have been last years stats but ive been watching ais for 19 days now and NOT ONE Single boat has come through at rush hour, so unless the tide is out of sync.


so i t must be down a few % now.
Depends on your definition of 'Rush Hour'.... if your talking between 4:00pm and 7.00pm then yes there has!
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: that might have been last years stats but ive been watching ais for 19 days now and NOT ONE Single boat has come through at rush hour, so unless the tide is out of sync. so i t must be down a few % now.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of 'Rush Hour'.... if your talking between 4:00pm and 7.00pm then yes there has! Curious_72

12:33pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Curious_72 says...

fedster wrote:
that might have been last years stats but ive been watching ais for 19 days now and NOT ONE Single boat has come through at rush hour, so unless the tide is out of sync.


so i t must be down a few % now.
Depends on your definition of 'Rush Hour'.... if your talking between 4:00pm and 7.00pm then yes there has!
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: that might have been last years stats but ive been watching ais for 19 days now and NOT ONE Single boat has come through at rush hour, so unless the tide is out of sync. so i t must be down a few % now.[/p][/quote]Depends on your definition of 'Rush Hour'.... if your talking between 4:00pm and 7.00pm then yes there has! Curious_72

1:17pm Thu 6 Feb 14

PageA says...

Curious_72 wrote:
PageA wrote:
Curious_72 wrote:
There needs to be more warning signs for when the bridges are off so that drivers can take appropriate action! The single sign on Chester Road on the approach in Warrington is under utilised and in my opinion in the wrong place as by the time your close enough to be able to read it you already stuck in the traffic. Halton BC have a sign for the Runcorn/Widnes bridge up at Daresbury before you turn onto the expressway, why can't Warrington invest in some signage like this?
I'm curious..Curious. How would the signs help? If thousands of cars are heading South and a warning pops up on the sign.. What happens then? Does everyone stop in the town centre? Do we all turn around and rush North? I'm not trying to be funny, I've read about the signs on here many times but I just don't understand how they would help if you're on the road with somewhere to go
Signs = knowledge, that way you can decide if you want to take another appropriate route! At the moment if you get suck on Chester Road (Walton) you have no idea if it's due to the bridge or just heavy traffic (like when some idiot causes the M6 to shut), Personally if I knew a hold up was due to the bridge being off then I would happy wait in the line of traffic, turn my engine off and play Candy Crush until the traffic started moving!
Thank you Curious. I'm not sure what another appropriate route would be if you want to go over the water at the same time that everyone else was trying to get over the water. I'd imagine that would be mayhem, but i guess there will be some who are happy to kick back and wait and some that will try to get ahead. Might be best to remove your keys from the ignition when using your phone. www.medway.gov.uk
[quote][p][bold]Curious_72[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Curious_72[/bold] wrote: There needs to be more warning signs for when the bridges are off so that drivers can take appropriate action! The single sign on Chester Road on the approach in Warrington is under utilised and in my opinion in the wrong place as by the time your close enough to be able to read it you already stuck in the traffic. Halton BC have a sign for the Runcorn/Widnes bridge up at Daresbury before you turn onto the expressway, why can't Warrington invest in some signage like this?[/p][/quote]I'm curious..Curious. How would the signs help? If thousands of cars are heading South and a warning pops up on the sign.. What happens then? Does everyone stop in the town centre? Do we all turn around and rush North? I'm not trying to be funny, I've read about the signs on here many times but I just don't understand how they would help if you're on the road with somewhere to go[/p][/quote]Signs = knowledge, that way you can decide if you want to take another appropriate route! At the moment if you get suck on Chester Road (Walton) you have no idea if it's due to the bridge or just heavy traffic (like when some idiot causes the M6 to shut), Personally if I knew a hold up was due to the bridge being off then I would happy wait in the line of traffic, turn my engine off and play Candy Crush until the traffic started moving![/p][/quote]Thank you Curious. I'm not sure what another appropriate route would be if you want to go over the water at the same time that everyone else was trying to get over the water. I'd imagine that would be mayhem, but i guess there will be some who are happy to kick back and wait and some that will try to get ahead. Might be best to remove your keys from the ignition when using your phone. www.medway.gov.uk PageA

4:31pm Thu 6 Feb 14

Freeborn John says...

How nice to see the great and the good springing into action on this important local issue.
Too late by several years to trouble Peel Ports plans, but never mind, lots of lovely ink in the press never hurt anybody in the run up to Local Election day.
How nice to see the great and the good springing into action on this important local issue. Too late by several years to trouble Peel Ports plans, but never mind, lots of lovely ink in the press never hurt anybody in the run up to Local Election day. Freeborn John

6:23pm Thu 6 Feb 14

PageA says...

Hello,

I'm having a problem commenting upon

Town Hall Woolston meeting postponed

Is it just me?
Hello, I'm having a problem commenting upon Town Hall Woolston meeting postponed Is it just me? PageA

7:27pm Thu 6 Feb 14

old-codger says...

fedster wrote:
that might have been last years stats but ive been watching ais for 19 days now and NOT ONE Single boat has come through at rush hour, so unless the tide is out of sync.


so i t must be down a few % now.
I came over knutsford road swing bridge at 5pm and the traffic was flowing easily, I havnt seen a bridge off for a while and I am often out and about.
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: that might have been last years stats but ive been watching ais for 19 days now and NOT ONE Single boat has come through at rush hour, so unless the tide is out of sync. so i t must be down a few % now.[/p][/quote]I came over knutsford road swing bridge at 5pm and the traffic was flowing easily, I havnt seen a bridge off for a while and I am often out and about. old-codger

9:36pm Thu 6 Feb 14

grey-area says...

...and once they have sorted Peel Ports out, could they finally sort out the mess that is Bridge Foot?
...and once they have sorted Peel Ports out, could they finally sort out the mess that is Bridge Foot? grey-area

9:37pm Thu 6 Feb 14

grey-area says...

PageA wrote:
Hello,

I'm having a problem commenting upon

Town Hall Woolston meeting postponed

Is it just me?
Ok for me Page A, although there aren't many comments on it.
[quote][p][bold]PageA[/bold] wrote: Hello, I'm having a problem commenting upon Town Hall Woolston meeting postponed Is it just me?[/p][/quote]Ok for me Page A, although there aren't many comments on it. grey-area

10:40pm Thu 6 Feb 14

PageA says...

Ta! Back on for me now
Ta! Back on for me now PageA

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