Less than 25 black and white TV licences in Warrington

Less than 25 black and white TV licences in Warrington

Less than 25 black and white TV licences in Warrington

First published in News

THE number of people enjoying black and white TV in Warrington has dropped with only 25 homes owning TV licences.

Today just 11,550 black and white licences remain in force across the UK, dropping a further 12 per cent in the last year.

Iain Logie Baird, associate curator at the National Media Museum and grandson of television inventor John Logie Baird said: “Despite more than 25 million people opting for a colour TV licence in the UK, it may be some time before the black and white television disappears completely from our living rooms.

“The National Media Museum has hundreds of black and white television sets in its collection and there will always be a small group of people who prefer monochrome images, collect vintage sets or just don't want to throw away a working piece of technology.”

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2:30pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Daz@SankeyviaOrford says...

That old chestnut ! My mam used to get a b&w license in the early 80s. Even tho we had a colour tv . I bet most of the 25 have colour TVs.
That old chestnut ! My mam used to get a b&w license in the early 80s. Even tho we had a colour tv . I bet most of the 25 have colour TVs. Daz@SankeyviaOrford
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2:44pm Mon 6 Jan 14

MAD 4 IT says...

SUM MIGHT BE COLOURBLIND
SUM MIGHT BE COLOURBLIND MAD 4 IT
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3:38pm Mon 6 Jan 14

stupot0041 says...

We used to have a black and white sheepdog because the dog licence was cheaper.
We used to have a black and white sheepdog because the dog licence was cheaper. stupot0041
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4:20pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Nick Tessla says...

MAD 4 IT wrote:
SUM MIGHT BE COLOURBLIND
Rather that than semi-literate.
[quote][p][bold]MAD 4 IT[/bold] wrote: SUM MIGHT BE COLOURBLIND[/p][/quote]Rather that than semi-literate. Nick Tessla
  • Score: 4

4:39pm Mon 6 Jan 14

TheKLF99 says...

I'm puzzled as to how that actually works - because you need a colour TV licence if you have any device that can receive a colour signal, regardless of whether the TV is black and white.

If you have a VCR or DVD recorder, or satellite receiver that can receive a colour signal then you must have a colour licence. Therefore if a satellite receiver is included in that rule, then I presume a freeview box must be,

To watch TV on a black and white set now you would need some form of set top box like a freeview or satellite TV box and so must be receiving a colour signal in the set top box and therefore your supposed to have a colour licence. Either that or you've just got an analogue TV that is incapable of receiving BBC - so what are you paying any TV licence for if you can't watch what your subscribing to.

I got to admit though I think you will find a large number of the people with B&W licences are probably playing the "hide the colour TV when the detector van comes around" game. My dad was a TV engineer and for years we had colour TV's under the B&W licence and the excuse was that our small B&W telly was the main telly, all the colour ones were in for "repair" - now I pay my own TV licence and actually think how good value it is - all those BBC channels with no adverts and some quite good quality shows for just over £100 a year when Sky charge about £40 a month for channels full of adverts and repeats - and don't get me started on the rip off that is Sky Movies!
I'm puzzled as to how that actually works - because you need a colour TV licence if you have any device that can receive a colour signal, regardless of whether the TV is black and white. If you have a VCR or DVD recorder, or satellite receiver that can receive a colour signal then you must have a colour licence. Therefore if a satellite receiver is included in that rule, then I presume a freeview box must be, To watch TV on a black and white set now you would need some form of set top box like a freeview or satellite TV box and so must be receiving a colour signal in the set top box and therefore your supposed to have a colour licence. Either that or you've just got an analogue TV that is incapable of receiving BBC - so what are you paying any TV licence for if you can't watch what your subscribing to. I got to admit though I think you will find a large number of the people with B&W licences are probably playing the "hide the colour TV when the detector van comes around" game. My dad was a TV engineer and for years we had colour TV's under the B&W licence and the excuse was that our small B&W telly was the main telly, all the colour ones were in for "repair" - now I pay my own TV licence and actually think how good value it is - all those BBC channels with no adverts and some quite good quality shows for just over £100 a year when Sky charge about £40 a month for channels full of adverts and repeats - and don't get me started on the rip off that is Sky Movies! TheKLF99
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4:51pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Nick Tessla says...

stupot0041 wrote:
We used to have a black and white sheepdog because the dog licence was cheaper.
At weekends I wear a black dress and white stillettos - I heard black and white TV is cheaper
[quote][p][bold]stupot0041[/bold] wrote: We used to have a black and white sheepdog because the dog licence was cheaper.[/p][/quote]At weekends I wear a black dress and white stillettos - I heard black and white TV is cheaper Nick Tessla
  • Score: 1

5:13pm Mon 6 Jan 14

widnesman says...

Black & white are both colours, well they are on the Dulux colour chart!
Best not tell the licencing people though!!
Black & white are both colours, well they are on the Dulux colour chart! Best not tell the licencing people though!! widnesman
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5:41pm Mon 6 Jan 14

Brick Bazooka says...

widnesman wrote:
Black & white are both colours, well they are on the Dulux colour chart!
Best not tell the licencing people though!!
Black and white are shades, not colours.
[quote][p][bold]widnesman[/bold] wrote: Black & white are both colours, well they are on the Dulux colour chart! Best not tell the licencing people though!![/p][/quote]Black and white are shades, not colours. Brick Bazooka
  • Score: 0

6:06pm Mon 6 Jan 14

richiepooh says...

This is why the TV licence needs abolishing, it does not work in today's world with so many flaws in the logic.
as TheKLF99 says, you would need a colour licence if the reception device is capable of receiving colour.......BUT !!! then you wouldn't (in theory although I wouldn't want to test this theory) from any sky+ virgin Tivo boxes, as you only need a licence for receiving "LIVE" broadcast and since both boxes automatically buffer before displaying for live pause option, none are live transmissions. Not only that the definition of "Television and Broadcast" are dubious by cable
Television =The transmission of dynamic or sometimes static images, generally with accompanying sound, via electric or electromagnetic signals.

Not fibre optic then (light), and they cannot include light transmission as this would include just seeing things with your eyes, though it wouldn't surprise me if the government wouldn't try and tax you for that.
This is why the TV licence needs abolishing, it does not work in today's world with so many flaws in the logic. as TheKLF99 says, you would need a colour licence if the reception device is capable of receiving colour.......BUT !!! then you wouldn't (in theory although I wouldn't want to test this theory) from any sky+ virgin Tivo boxes, as you only need a licence for receiving "LIVE" broadcast and since both boxes automatically buffer before displaying for live pause option, none are live transmissions. Not only that the definition of "Television and Broadcast" are dubious by cable Television =The transmission of dynamic or sometimes static images, generally with accompanying sound, via electric or electromagnetic signals. Not fibre optic then (light), and they cannot include light transmission as this would include just seeing things with your eyes, though it wouldn't surprise me if the government wouldn't try and tax you for that. richiepooh
  • Score: 0

7:57am Tue 7 Jan 14

B'wood Bob says...

richiepooh wrote:
This is why the TV licence needs abolishing, it does not work in today's world with so many flaws in the logic.
as TheKLF99 says, you would need a colour licence if the reception device is capable of receiving colour.......BUT !!! then you wouldn't (in theory although I wouldn't want to test this theory) from any sky+ virgin Tivo boxes, as you only need a licence for receiving "LIVE" broadcast and since both boxes automatically buffer before displaying for live pause option, none are live transmissions. Not only that the definition of "Television and Broadcast" are dubious by cable
Television =The transmission of dynamic or sometimes static images, generally with accompanying sound, via electric or electromagnetic signals.

Not fibre optic then (light), and they cannot include light transmission as this would include just seeing things with your eyes, though it wouldn't surprise me if the government wouldn't try and tax you for that.
Light is a form of electromagnetism, so the theory of fibre optics not being included is flawed.

Also, you need a licence if the device records a live broadcast. The following statement from the tv licence website clearly illustrates this "You need a licence if you record TV as it's broadcast, whether that's on a conventional video recorder or digital box."

As for when a black and white licence is required the following statement also from teh website should clear some things up, "A black and white TV Licence does not cover the use of colour TV receiving equipment, such as a digital box. The only exception is if it's only used with a black and white TV set and the equipment can’t record TV."

It took me minutes to find this iniformation out , why can't everybody be as diligent as me and look for themselves?
[quote][p][bold]richiepooh[/bold] wrote: This is why the TV licence needs abolishing, it does not work in today's world with so many flaws in the logic. as TheKLF99 says, you would need a colour licence if the reception device is capable of receiving colour.......BUT !!! then you wouldn't (in theory although I wouldn't want to test this theory) from any sky+ virgin Tivo boxes, as you only need a licence for receiving "LIVE" broadcast and since both boxes automatically buffer before displaying for live pause option, none are live transmissions. Not only that the definition of "Television and Broadcast" are dubious by cable Television =The transmission of dynamic or sometimes static images, generally with accompanying sound, via electric or electromagnetic signals. Not fibre optic then (light), and they cannot include light transmission as this would include just seeing things with your eyes, though it wouldn't surprise me if the government wouldn't try and tax you for that.[/p][/quote]Light is a form of electromagnetism, so the theory of fibre optics not being included is flawed. Also, you need a licence if the device records a live broadcast. The following statement from the tv licence website clearly illustrates this "You need a licence if you record TV as it's broadcast, whether that's on a conventional video recorder or digital box." As for when a black and white licence is required the following statement also from teh website should clear some things up, "A black and white TV Licence does not cover the use of colour TV receiving equipment, such as a digital box. The only exception is if it's only used with a black and white TV set and the equipment can’t record TV." It took me minutes to find this iniformation out , why can't everybody be as diligent as me and look for themselves? B'wood Bob
  • Score: -2

9:50am Tue 7 Jan 14

stupot0041 says...

Nick Tessla says...

stupot0041 wrote:
We used to have a black and white sheepdog because the dog licence was cheaper.
At weekends I wear a black dress and white stillettos - I heard black and white TV is cheaper.

LOL!! As a kid my parents took me to the B and W minstrel show, now I know it's because the tickets were cheaper.
I thought having a black and white TV was classed as group.
Nick Tessla says... stupot0041 wrote: We used to have a black and white sheepdog because the dog licence was cheaper. At weekends I wear a black dress and white stillettos - I heard black and white TV is cheaper. LOL!! As a kid my parents took me to the B and W minstrel show, now I know it's because the tickets were cheaper. I thought having a black and white TV was classed as group. stupot0041
  • Score: 1

7:26pm Tue 7 Jan 14

old-codger says...

You need a colour television license as you watch tv programmes on your lap top or I phones. Now that's a bit of cheek isn't it.
You need a colour television license as you watch tv programmes on your lap top or I phones. Now that's a bit of cheek isn't it. old-codger
  • Score: -4

9:03pm Tue 7 Jan 14

local man says...

was just thinking the other day about all the stuff we need a license for, TV, Fishing, Driving - and yet anyone can bring up kids. Now that should need a license regardless of colour.
was just thinking the other day about all the stuff we need a license for, TV, Fishing, Driving - and yet anyone can bring up kids. Now that should need a license regardless of colour. local man
  • Score: 0

1:27pm Wed 8 Jan 14

GRUMPY PARENT says...

Didn't even know you could buy a black and white tv these days. Either way I don't see why we should be forced to pay for a licence just because my tv can receive BBC channels. I thought we lived in a democracy not a dictatorship!
Didn't even know you could buy a black and white tv these days. Either way I don't see why we should be forced to pay for a licence just because my tv can receive BBC channels. I thought we lived in a democracy not a dictatorship! GRUMPY PARENT
  • Score: -1

2:12pm Wed 8 Jan 14

richiepooh says...

B'wood Bob wrote:
richiepooh wrote:
This is why the TV licence needs abolishing, it does not work in today's world with so many flaws in the logic.
as TheKLF99 says, you would need a colour licence if the reception device is capable of receiving colour.......BUT !!! then you wouldn't (in theory although I wouldn't want to test this theory) from any sky+ virgin Tivo boxes, as you only need a licence for receiving "LIVE" broadcast and since both boxes automatically buffer before displaying for live pause option, none are live transmissions. Not only that the definition of "Television and Broadcast" are dubious by cable
Television =The transmission of dynamic or sometimes static images, generally with accompanying sound, via electric or electromagnetic signals.

Not fibre optic then (light), and they cannot include light transmission as this would include just seeing things with your eyes, though it wouldn't surprise me if the government wouldn't try and tax you for that.
Light is a form of electromagnetism, so the theory of fibre optics not being included is flawed.

Also, you need a licence if the device records a live broadcast. The following statement from the tv licence website clearly illustrates this "You need a licence if you record TV as it's broadcast, whether that's on a conventional video recorder or digital box."

As for when a black and white licence is required the following statement also from teh website should clear some things up, "A black and white TV Licence does not cover the use of colour TV receiving equipment, such as a digital box. The only exception is if it's only used with a black and white TV set and the equipment can’t record TV."

It took me minutes to find this iniformation out , why can't everybody be as diligent as me and look for themselves?
"Light is a form of electromagnetism"

ABSOLUTELY No ts not, its a form of radiation !!!!
has no electromagnetic propertiies whatso ever!!!
[quote][p][bold]B'wood Bob[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]richiepooh[/bold] wrote: This is why the TV licence needs abolishing, it does not work in today's world with so many flaws in the logic. as TheKLF99 says, you would need a colour licence if the reception device is capable of receiving colour.......BUT !!! then you wouldn't (in theory although I wouldn't want to test this theory) from any sky+ virgin Tivo boxes, as you only need a licence for receiving "LIVE" broadcast and since both boxes automatically buffer before displaying for live pause option, none are live transmissions. Not only that the definition of "Television and Broadcast" are dubious by cable Television =The transmission of dynamic or sometimes static images, generally with accompanying sound, via electric or electromagnetic signals. Not fibre optic then (light), and they cannot include light transmission as this would include just seeing things with your eyes, though it wouldn't surprise me if the government wouldn't try and tax you for that.[/p][/quote]Light is a form of electromagnetism, so the theory of fibre optics not being included is flawed. Also, you need a licence if the device records a live broadcast. The following statement from the tv licence website clearly illustrates this "You need a licence if you record TV as it's broadcast, whether that's on a conventional video recorder or digital box." As for when a black and white licence is required the following statement also from teh website should clear some things up, "A black and white TV Licence does not cover the use of colour TV receiving equipment, such as a digital box. The only exception is if it's only used with a black and white TV set and the equipment can’t record TV." It took me minutes to find this iniformation out , why can't everybody be as diligent as me and look for themselves?[/p][/quote]"Light is a form of electromagnetism" ABSOLUTELY No ts not, its a form of radiation !!!! has no electromagnetic propertiies whatso ever!!! richiepooh
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2:21pm Wed 8 Jan 14

richiepooh says...

and clearly you do not understand technology, buffered is not recorded. “Record” by definition is the intend to create a “permanent” replication, “buffering” which is what set top boxes do has no such intention ...I DO WISH PEOPLE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT INSTEAD OF REGURGETATING STUFF THEY READ ON WIKIPEDIA !

your wrong on light and the law, and just repeating what the a website says doesn’t make it true, because law is all about words and their meaning, which was the point I was making !!!
and clearly you do not understand technology, buffered is not recorded. “Record” by definition is the intend to create a “permanent” replication, “buffering” which is what set top boxes do has no such intention ...I DO WISH PEOPLE KNEW WHAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT INSTEAD OF REGURGETATING STUFF THEY READ ON WIKIPEDIA ! your wrong on light and the law, and just repeating what the a website says doesn’t make it true, because law is all about words and their meaning, which was the point I was making !!! richiepooh
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8:39am Fri 10 Jan 14

Nick Tessla says...

As no-one else has said it, FEWER than, not less than.
As no-one else has said it, FEWER than, not less than. Nick Tessla
  • Score: -2

3:18pm Fri 10 Jan 14

mrdaveyasdfr says...

I'm amazed you can watch catch up TV without a TV licence.
I thought they would of changed to law for that.
I'm amazed you can watch catch up TV without a TV licence. I thought they would of changed to law for that. mrdaveyasdfr
  • Score: 2

4:18pm Fri 10 Jan 14

Nick Tessla says...

mrdaveyasdfr wrote:
I'm amazed you can watch catch up TV without a TV licence.
I thought they would of changed to law for that.
The law always tends to lag behind technology (and social change).
[quote][p][bold]mrdaveyasdfr[/bold] wrote: I'm amazed you can watch catch up TV without a TV licence. I thought they would of changed to law for that.[/p][/quote]The law always tends to lag behind technology (and social change). Nick Tessla
  • Score: -2

8:11pm Fri 10 Jan 14

old-codger says...

Nick Tessla says...
As no-one else has said it, FEWER than, not less than.

I was tempted but I made a nice cuppa instead Nick :):):).
Nick Tessla says... As no-one else has said it, FEWER than, not less than. I was tempted but I made a nice cuppa instead Nick :):):). old-codger
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