More than 1,000 people in Warrington have been unemployed for a year

Warrington Guardian: More than 1,000 people in Warrington have been unemployed for a year More than 1,000 people in Warrington have been unemployed for a year

MORE than 1,000 people in Warrington have been claiming unemployment benefit for the past year according to latest figures.

The Office of National Statistics (OSN) has revealed unemployment has fallen by 29,000 in the past month in the north west - and is at the lowest level since 2009 nationally.

But the TUC says the fact that 1,020 people in Warrington have been claiming job seekers allowance since November 2012 proved more needs to be done to tackle the problem.

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4:01pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Cheap Mower says...

Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc) Cheap Mower

4:13pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Billy Porter says...

Do they?

Recently there were over 8,000 applications for 160 (mostly part-time) jobs at the new Primark in Warrington. Hardly dream jobs.
Do they? Recently there were over 8,000 applications for 160 (mostly part-time) jobs at the new Primark in Warrington. Hardly dream jobs. Billy Porter

4:32pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Karlar says...

Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
You're making a pretty big assumption on the basis of limited information. There's nothing in the report to suggest those claiming JSA are skiving. Have you ever been out of work and tried to find a job? If you have you should know most vacancies are over subscribed. Thank your lucky stars the days when you had to present yourself for work each morning and only worked that day if your face fitted on the whim of the foreman.
[quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]You're making a pretty big assumption on the basis of limited information. There's nothing in the report to suggest those claiming JSA are skiving. Have you ever been out of work and tried to find a job? If you have you should know most vacancies are over subscribed. Thank your lucky stars the days when you had to present yourself for work each morning and only worked that day if your face fitted on the whim of the foreman. Karlar

4:37pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Karlar says...

Karlar wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
You're making a pretty big assumption on the basis of limited information. There's nothing in the report to suggest those claiming JSA are skiving. Have you ever been out of work and tried to find a job? If you have you should know most vacancies are over subscribed. Thank your lucky stars the days when you had to present yourself for work each morning and only worked that day if your face fitted on the whim of the foreman.
add "are over" between 'days' and 'when' on the 7th line. Apologies.
[quote][p][bold]Karlar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]You're making a pretty big assumption on the basis of limited information. There's nothing in the report to suggest those claiming JSA are skiving. Have you ever been out of work and tried to find a job? If you have you should know most vacancies are over subscribed. Thank your lucky stars the days when you had to present yourself for work each morning and only worked that day if your face fitted on the whim of the foreman.[/p][/quote]add "are over" between 'days' and 'when' on the 7th line. Apologies. Karlar

4:44pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Karlar says...

add "are over" between 'days' and 'when' on the 7th line. Apologies.
add "are over" between 'days' and 'when' on the 7th line. Apologies. Karlar

5:12pm Wed 18 Dec 13

ninearches says...

Karlar wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
You're making a pretty big assumption on the basis of limited information. There's nothing in the report to suggest those claiming JSA are skiving. Have you ever been out of work and tried to find a job? If you have you should know most vacancies are over subscribed. Thank your lucky stars the days when you had to present yourself for work each morning and only worked that day if your face fitted on the whim of the foreman.
It happens from home now with employment agencies.
[quote][p][bold]Karlar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]You're making a pretty big assumption on the basis of limited information. There's nothing in the report to suggest those claiming JSA are skiving. Have you ever been out of work and tried to find a job? If you have you should know most vacancies are over subscribed. Thank your lucky stars the days when you had to present yourself for work each morning and only worked that day if your face fitted on the whim of the foreman.[/p][/quote]It happens from home now with employment agencies. ninearches

5:48pm Wed 18 Dec 13

MAD 4 IT says...

STOP KNOCKING THE "UNEMPLOYED" !! I HAVE BEEN "UNEMPLOYED" FOR NEARLY A YEAR ! DUE TO EMPLOYERS LETTING ME DOWN ! SO "CHEAP MOWER" ABIT OF RESPECT PLEASE !!
STOP KNOCKING THE "UNEMPLOYED" !! I HAVE BEEN "UNEMPLOYED" FOR NEARLY A YEAR ! DUE TO EMPLOYERS LETTING ME DOWN ! SO "CHEAP MOWER" ABIT OF RESPECT PLEASE !! MAD 4 IT

7:21pm Wed 18 Dec 13

fedster says...

Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
[quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned) fedster

10:22pm Wed 18 Dec 13

Cheap Mower says...

MAD 4 IT wrote:
STOP KNOCKING THE "UNEMPLOYED" !! I HAVE BEEN "UNEMPLOYED" FOR NEARLY A YEAR ! DUE TO EMPLOYERS LETTING ME DOWN ! SO "CHEAP MOWER" ABIT OF RESPECT PLEASE !!
How have the employers let you down?
[quote][p][bold]MAD 4 IT[/bold] wrote: STOP KNOCKING THE "UNEMPLOYED" !! I HAVE BEEN "UNEMPLOYED" FOR NEARLY A YEAR ! DUE TO EMPLOYERS LETTING ME DOWN ! SO "CHEAP MOWER" ABIT OF RESPECT PLEASE !![/p][/quote]How have the employers let you down? Cheap Mower

10:35pm Wed 18 Dec 13

MAD 4 IT says...

TO "CHEAP MOWER" !!! YOU WANT TO LOOK AFTER YOURSELF & STOP JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE ! A FEW EMPLOYERS HAVE LET ME DOWN ! FALSE PROMISES OK ! END OF !
TO "CHEAP MOWER" !!! YOU WANT TO LOOK AFTER YOURSELF & STOP JUDGING OTHER PEOPLE ! A FEW EMPLOYERS HAVE LET ME DOWN ! FALSE PROMISES OK ! END OF ! MAD 4 IT

11:19pm Wed 18 Dec 13

annie1275 says...

fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse.. annie1275

11:19pm Wed 18 Dec 13

annie1275 says...

fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
[quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse.. annie1275

9:06am Thu 19 Dec 13

Daz@SankeyviaOrford says...

The government are banging on saying, as it does in this article that unemployment is at its lowest in years. The fact is that the figures as with most things to do with our government are corrupt and manipulated. I would think there has been an increase in tax credit claims. Due to the amount of people taking part time, zero hour contracts, apprenticeships & low paid jobs. It's mainly government proper gander. After the Xmas temp get laid off I'm pretty sure we won't get an update for January / feb in the WG. Also there will always be many lazy people 2nd and 3rd generations of families on the scavs. Good luck to anyone looking for a job for the new year ?
The government are banging on saying, as it does in this article that unemployment is at its lowest in years. The fact is that the figures as with most things to do with our government are corrupt and manipulated. I would think there has been an increase in tax credit claims. Due to the amount of people taking part time, zero hour contracts, apprenticeships & low paid jobs. It's mainly government proper gander. After the Xmas temp get laid off I'm pretty sure we won't get an update for January / feb in the WG. Also there will always be many lazy people 2nd and 3rd generations of families on the scavs. Good luck to anyone looking for a job for the new year ? Daz@SankeyviaOrford

9:09am Thu 19 Dec 13

ChrisNJ says...

annie1275 wrote:
fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home.

Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless!
[quote][p][bold]annie1275[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..[/p][/quote]you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home. Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless! ChrisNJ

12:49pm Thu 19 Dec 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
This comment is totally untrue, as they only want young and aspiring candidates. I know this from personal job hunting experiences!
[quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]This comment is totally untrue, as they only want young and aspiring candidates. I know this from personal job hunting experiences! SAC_in_Warrington

1:04pm Thu 19 Dec 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

ChrisNJ wrote:
annie1275 wrote:
fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home.

Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless!
The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?
[quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annie1275[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..[/p][/quote]you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home. Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless![/p][/quote]The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!? SAC_in_Warrington

2:00pm Thu 19 Dec 13

ChrisNJ says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
annie1275 wrote:
fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home.

Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless!
The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?
none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending??

arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annie1275[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..[/p][/quote]you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home. Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless![/p][/quote]The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?[/p][/quote]none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending?? arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work? ChrisNJ

6:22pm Thu 19 Dec 13

old-codger says...

The job centre say it is not their role to find you employment, They say they are there to ensure that you are seeking work, They have removes all computers from the job centre and expect you to join the queue outside the library to use their computers 5 days per week. They will do anything to reduce the number of claimants including advising married women who sign on looking for a job but receiving no benefit due to partners income not to bother signing on, Numbers down do not mean more people in work. They want the unemployment rate down to 7% so the bank of England can put up interest rates and put more money into rich tory pockets. IDS scuttled out of the house of commons on Tuesday to avoid being questioned on his policys. The salad dodger wont be going hungry this Christmas.
The job centre say it is not their role to find you employment, They say they are there to ensure that you are seeking work, They have removes all computers from the job centre and expect you to join the queue outside the library to use their computers 5 days per week. They will do anything to reduce the number of claimants including advising married women who sign on looking for a job but receiving no benefit due to partners income not to bother signing on, Numbers down do not mean more people in work. They want the unemployment rate down to 7% so the bank of England can put up interest rates and put more money into rich tory pockets. IDS scuttled out of the house of commons on Tuesday to avoid being questioned on his policys. The salad dodger wont be going hungry this Christmas. old-codger

7:13pm Thu 19 Dec 13

ChrisNJ says...

i noticed all the job point machines had gone and all the phones had gone too, and wondered why... in regards to the library, not everyone can use it, and especially not everyday, they're deluded at the job centre if u ask me.
i noticed all the job point machines had gone and all the phones had gone too, and wondered why... in regards to the library, not everyone can use it, and especially not everyday, they're deluded at the job centre if u ask me. ChrisNJ

8:03pm Thu 19 Dec 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
annie1275 wrote:
fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home.

Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless!
The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?
none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending??

arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?
That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.
[quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annie1275[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..[/p][/quote]you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home. Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless![/p][/quote]The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?[/p][/quote]none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending?? arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?[/p][/quote]That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse. SAC_in_Warrington

9:02pm Thu 19 Dec 13

ChrisNJ says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
annie1275 wrote:
fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home.

Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless!
The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?
none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending??

arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?
That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.
llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annie1275[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..[/p][/quote]you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home. Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless![/p][/quote]The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?[/p][/quote]none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending?? arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?[/p][/quote]That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.[/p][/quote]llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you. ChrisNJ

9:57pm Thu 19 Dec 13

Rowdie says...

ninearches wrote:
Karlar wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
You're making a pretty big assumption on the basis of limited information. There's nothing in the report to suggest those claiming JSA are skiving. Have you ever been out of work and tried to find a job? If you have you should know most vacancies are over subscribed. Thank your lucky stars the days when you had to present yourself for work each morning and only worked that day if your face fitted on the whim of the foreman.
It happens from home now with employment agencies.
I was going to say Karfar.......you are going back a bit there. As far back as just after the war, when there were millions of men looking for work and all the companies gone. A glut of labour but no jobs...my dad went through those days working at Rylands wire works. A lot of it was done to try to pass the work around so that every one got at least a few hours in until businesses built up again and more were employed as the demand grew.
[quote][p][bold]ninearches[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Karlar[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]You're making a pretty big assumption on the basis of limited information. There's nothing in the report to suggest those claiming JSA are skiving. Have you ever been out of work and tried to find a job? If you have you should know most vacancies are over subscribed. Thank your lucky stars the days when you had to present yourself for work each morning and only worked that day if your face fitted on the whim of the foreman.[/p][/quote]It happens from home now with employment agencies.[/p][/quote]I was going to say Karfar.......you are going back a bit there. As far back as just after the war, when there were millions of men looking for work and all the companies gone. A glut of labour but no jobs...my dad went through those days working at Rylands wire works. A lot of it was done to try to pass the work around so that every one got at least a few hours in until businesses built up again and more were employed as the demand grew. Rowdie

10:06pm Thu 19 Dec 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
annie1275 wrote:
fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home.

Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless!
The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?
none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending??

arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?
That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.
llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.
Possibly in your narrow minded opinion, How naive of you to ask them to validate a photograph for identity purposes when they hardly know you.
[quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annie1275[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..[/p][/quote]you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home. Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless![/p][/quote]The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?[/p][/quote]none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending?? arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?[/p][/quote]That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.[/p][/quote]llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.[/p][/quote]Possibly in your narrow minded opinion, How naive of you to ask them to validate a photograph for identity purposes when they hardly know you. SAC_in_Warrington

8:15am Fri 20 Dec 13

ChrisNJ says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
annie1275 wrote:
fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home.

Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless!
The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?
none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending??

arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?
That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.
llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.
Possibly in your narrow minded opinion, How naive of you to ask them to validate a photograph for identity purposes when they hardly know you.
hardly know me? these are the same people i was signing on with week in and week out, there job is to help and do everything in their power to help me back into work, or do everything to enhance my chances of work, not speaking to me like a piece of dirt on their shoe.

Can you explain to me please as i stated above, how their decisions on as/when to sanction people is correct, I'll give you another example of mine from about 10 months ago.... i had a dental appointment, i have all my treatment under sedation, my appointment was at 9.30am, i let the job centre know about this, and that i wasnt able to attend that day and if they needed confirmation of my appointment etc, i could happily provide it... the result, a 2 week sanction.... now please explain how that is fair?? .... Eventually after 2 seperate appeals, the decision eventually got overturned and i got my benefits, albeit some 6 weeks later, another problem is, they dont tell you you're sanctioned up until you actually sign on, a mere 2-3 days before you're due payment, and its far too late to appeal to get paid on time etc....

I await your typical stereotypical response, or are you going to surprise me??
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annie1275[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..[/p][/quote]you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home. Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless![/p][/quote]The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?[/p][/quote]none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending?? arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?[/p][/quote]That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.[/p][/quote]llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.[/p][/quote]Possibly in your narrow minded opinion, How naive of you to ask them to validate a photograph for identity purposes when they hardly know you.[/p][/quote]hardly know me? these are the same people i was signing on with week in and week out, there job is to help and do everything in their power to help me back into work, or do everything to enhance my chances of work, not speaking to me like a piece of dirt on their shoe. Can you explain to me please as i stated above, how their decisions on as/when to sanction people is correct, I'll give you another example of mine from about 10 months ago.... i had a dental appointment, i have all my treatment under sedation, my appointment was at 9.30am, i let the job centre know about this, and that i wasnt able to attend that day and if they needed confirmation of my appointment etc, i could happily provide it... the result, a 2 week sanction.... now please explain how that is fair?? .... Eventually after 2 seperate appeals, the decision eventually got overturned and i got my benefits, albeit some 6 weeks later, another problem is, they dont tell you you're sanctioned up until you actually sign on, a mere 2-3 days before you're due payment, and its far too late to appeal to get paid on time etc.... I await your typical stereotypical response, or are you going to surprise me?? ChrisNJ

2:58pm Fri 20 Dec 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
annie1275 wrote:
fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home.

Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless!
The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?
none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending??

arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?
That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.
llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.
Possibly in your narrow minded opinion, How naive of you to ask them to validate a photograph for identity purposes when they hardly know you.
hardly know me? these are the same people i was signing on with week in and week out, there job is to help and do everything in their power to help me back into work, or do everything to enhance my chances of work, not speaking to me like a piece of dirt on their shoe.

Can you explain to me please as i stated above, how their decisions on as/when to sanction people is correct, I'll give you another example of mine from about 10 months ago.... i had a dental appointment, i have all my treatment under sedation, my appointment was at 9.30am, i let the job centre know about this, and that i wasnt able to attend that day and if they needed confirmation of my appointment etc, i could happily provide it... the result, a 2 week sanction.... now please explain how that is fair?? .... Eventually after 2 seperate appeals, the decision eventually got overturned and i got my benefits, albeit some 6 weeks later, another problem is, they dont tell you you're sanctioned up until you actually sign on, a mere 2-3 days before you're due payment, and its far too late to appeal to get paid on time etc....

I await your typical stereotypical response, or are you going to surprise me??
I don' think you have understood the procedures correctly, and i'll restate the following advice: It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions,
[quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annie1275[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..[/p][/quote]you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home. Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless![/p][/quote]The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?[/p][/quote]none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending?? arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?[/p][/quote]That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.[/p][/quote]llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.[/p][/quote]Possibly in your narrow minded opinion, How naive of you to ask them to validate a photograph for identity purposes when they hardly know you.[/p][/quote]hardly know me? these are the same people i was signing on with week in and week out, there job is to help and do everything in their power to help me back into work, or do everything to enhance my chances of work, not speaking to me like a piece of dirt on their shoe. Can you explain to me please as i stated above, how their decisions on as/when to sanction people is correct, I'll give you another example of mine from about 10 months ago.... i had a dental appointment, i have all my treatment under sedation, my appointment was at 9.30am, i let the job centre know about this, and that i wasnt able to attend that day and if they needed confirmation of my appointment etc, i could happily provide it... the result, a 2 week sanction.... now please explain how that is fair?? .... Eventually after 2 seperate appeals, the decision eventually got overturned and i got my benefits, albeit some 6 weeks later, another problem is, they dont tell you you're sanctioned up until you actually sign on, a mere 2-3 days before you're due payment, and its far too late to appeal to get paid on time etc.... I await your typical stereotypical response, or are you going to surprise me??[/p][/quote]I don' think you have understood the procedures correctly, and i'll restate the following advice: It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, SAC_in_Warrington

8:53am Sat 21 Dec 13

ChrisNJ says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
annie1275 wrote:
fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home.

Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless!
The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?
none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending??

arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?
That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.
llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.
Possibly in your narrow minded opinion, How naive of you to ask them to validate a photograph for identity purposes when they hardly know you.
hardly know me? these are the same people i was signing on with week in and week out, there job is to help and do everything in their power to help me back into work, or do everything to enhance my chances of work, not speaking to me like a piece of dirt on their shoe.

Can you explain to me please as i stated above, how their decisions on as/when to sanction people is correct, I'll give you another example of mine from about 10 months ago.... i had a dental appointment, i have all my treatment under sedation, my appointment was at 9.30am, i let the job centre know about this, and that i wasnt able to attend that day and if they needed confirmation of my appointment etc, i could happily provide it... the result, a 2 week sanction.... now please explain how that is fair?? .... Eventually after 2 seperate appeals, the decision eventually got overturned and i got my benefits, albeit some 6 weeks later, another problem is, they dont tell you you're sanctioned up until you actually sign on, a mere 2-3 days before you're due payment, and its far too late to appeal to get paid on time etc....

I await your typical stereotypical response, or are you going to surprise me??
I don' think you have understood the procedures correctly, and i'll restate the following advice: It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions,
i see you cannot answer the points i made, regarding sancions etc. think my point is made
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annie1275[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..[/p][/quote]you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home. Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless![/p][/quote]The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?[/p][/quote]none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending?? arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?[/p][/quote]That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.[/p][/quote]llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.[/p][/quote]Possibly in your narrow minded opinion, How naive of you to ask them to validate a photograph for identity purposes when they hardly know you.[/p][/quote]hardly know me? these are the same people i was signing on with week in and week out, there job is to help and do everything in their power to help me back into work, or do everything to enhance my chances of work, not speaking to me like a piece of dirt on their shoe. Can you explain to me please as i stated above, how their decisions on as/when to sanction people is correct, I'll give you another example of mine from about 10 months ago.... i had a dental appointment, i have all my treatment under sedation, my appointment was at 9.30am, i let the job centre know about this, and that i wasnt able to attend that day and if they needed confirmation of my appointment etc, i could happily provide it... the result, a 2 week sanction.... now please explain how that is fair?? .... Eventually after 2 seperate appeals, the decision eventually got overturned and i got my benefits, albeit some 6 weeks later, another problem is, they dont tell you you're sanctioned up until you actually sign on, a mere 2-3 days before you're due payment, and its far too late to appeal to get paid on time etc.... I await your typical stereotypical response, or are you going to surprise me??[/p][/quote]I don' think you have understood the procedures correctly, and i'll restate the following advice: It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions,[/p][/quote]i see you cannot answer the points i made, regarding sancions etc. think my point is made ChrisNJ

9:24am Sat 21 Dec 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
annie1275 wrote:
fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home.

Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless!
The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?
none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending??

arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?
That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.
llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.
Possibly in your narrow minded opinion, How naive of you to ask them to validate a photograph for identity purposes when they hardly know you.
hardly know me? these are the same people i was signing on with week in and week out, there job is to help and do everything in their power to help me back into work, or do everything to enhance my chances of work, not speaking to me like a piece of dirt on their shoe.

Can you explain to me please as i stated above, how their decisions on as/when to sanction people is correct, I'll give you another example of mine from about 10 months ago.... i had a dental appointment, i have all my treatment under sedation, my appointment was at 9.30am, i let the job centre know about this, and that i wasnt able to attend that day and if they needed confirmation of my appointment etc, i could happily provide it... the result, a 2 week sanction.... now please explain how that is fair?? .... Eventually after 2 seperate appeals, the decision eventually got overturned and i got my benefits, albeit some 6 weeks later, another problem is, they dont tell you you're sanctioned up until you actually sign on, a mere 2-3 days before you're due payment, and its far too late to appeal to get paid on time etc....

I await your typical stereotypical response, or are you going to surprise me??
I don' think you have understood the procedures correctly, and i'll restate the following advice: It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions,
i see you cannot answer the points i made, regarding sancions etc. think my point is made
I think that you don't want to understand, perhaps won't understand the sanctions system when claimants are attempting to claim state benefits. I can personally understand that you have described that you were caught out by your obvious ignorance and culpable misunderstandings. Perhaps you didn't listen to the information you were given. Perhaps you didn't read all the leaflets that are available or were handed to you. Perhaps you didn't access your account on universal job match, where there are ample items of information for those claiming Job Seekers Allowance. You may have made your own "point", but personally I think that you appear to remain delusional in this instance!
[quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annie1275[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..[/p][/quote]you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home. Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless![/p][/quote]The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?[/p][/quote]none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending?? arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?[/p][/quote]That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.[/p][/quote]llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.[/p][/quote]Possibly in your narrow minded opinion, How naive of you to ask them to validate a photograph for identity purposes when they hardly know you.[/p][/quote]hardly know me? these are the same people i was signing on with week in and week out, there job is to help and do everything in their power to help me back into work, or do everything to enhance my chances of work, not speaking to me like a piece of dirt on their shoe. Can you explain to me please as i stated above, how their decisions on as/when to sanction people is correct, I'll give you another example of mine from about 10 months ago.... i had a dental appointment, i have all my treatment under sedation, my appointment was at 9.30am, i let the job centre know about this, and that i wasnt able to attend that day and if they needed confirmation of my appointment etc, i could happily provide it... the result, a 2 week sanction.... now please explain how that is fair?? .... Eventually after 2 seperate appeals, the decision eventually got overturned and i got my benefits, albeit some 6 weeks later, another problem is, they dont tell you you're sanctioned up until you actually sign on, a mere 2-3 days before you're due payment, and its far too late to appeal to get paid on time etc.... I await your typical stereotypical response, or are you going to surprise me??[/p][/quote]I don' think you have understood the procedures correctly, and i'll restate the following advice: It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions,[/p][/quote]i see you cannot answer the points i made, regarding sancions etc. think my point is made[/p][/quote]I think that you don't want to understand, perhaps won't understand the sanctions system when claimants are attempting to claim state benefits. I can personally understand that you have described that you were caught out by your obvious ignorance and culpable misunderstandings. Perhaps you didn't listen to the information you were given. Perhaps you didn't read all the leaflets that are available or were handed to you. Perhaps you didn't access your account on universal job match, where there are ample items of information for those claiming Job Seekers Allowance. You may have made your own "point", but personally I think that you appear to remain delusional in this instance! SAC_in_Warrington

5:23pm Sat 21 Dec 13

fedster says...

universal job match is worse than AOL ever was

plenty of glitches in the system like people login on to the system and searching, once they see a job they want to apply for they click on it (np so far) now heres where it gets sticky (the system then logs them out)

ive seen people spend multiple hours on a computer and get no where
so writing it down is easier Not all have the issue but from early reports more than half are having these issues.


also try searching in a different language on the site you cant so why dont all people get sanctioned ? They dont.

and with the new gagging order try getting a FOI info from DWP
universal job match is worse than AOL ever was plenty of glitches in the system like people login on to the system and searching, once they see a job they want to apply for they click on it (np so far) now heres where it gets sticky (the system then logs them out) ive seen people spend multiple hours on a computer and get no where so writing it down is easier Not all have the issue but from early reports more than half are having these issues. also try searching in a different language on the site you cant so why dont all people get sanctioned ? They dont. and with the new gagging order try getting a FOI info from DWP fedster

10:05am Sun 22 Dec 13

ChrisNJ says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
ChrisNJ wrote:
annie1275 wrote:
fedster wrote:
Cheap Mower wrote:
Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)
and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons.

been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work.

its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying
your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets

yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them)

but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned.

one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction.

and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)
Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..
you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home.

Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless!
The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?
none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending??

arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?
That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.
llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.
Possibly in your narrow minded opinion, How naive of you to ask them to validate a photograph for identity purposes when they hardly know you.
hardly know me? these are the same people i was signing on with week in and week out, there job is to help and do everything in their power to help me back into work, or do everything to enhance my chances of work, not speaking to me like a piece of dirt on their shoe.

Can you explain to me please as i stated above, how their decisions on as/when to sanction people is correct, I'll give you another example of mine from about 10 months ago.... i had a dental appointment, i have all my treatment under sedation, my appointment was at 9.30am, i let the job centre know about this, and that i wasnt able to attend that day and if they needed confirmation of my appointment etc, i could happily provide it... the result, a 2 week sanction.... now please explain how that is fair?? .... Eventually after 2 seperate appeals, the decision eventually got overturned and i got my benefits, albeit some 6 weeks later, another problem is, they dont tell you you're sanctioned up until you actually sign on, a mere 2-3 days before you're due payment, and its far too late to appeal to get paid on time etc....

I await your typical stereotypical response, or are you going to surprise me??
I don' think you have understood the procedures correctly, and i'll restate the following advice: It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions,
i see you cannot answer the points i made, regarding sancions etc. think my point is made
I think that you don't want to understand, perhaps won't understand the sanctions system when claimants are attempting to claim state benefits. I can personally understand that you have described that you were caught out by your obvious ignorance and culpable misunderstandings. Perhaps you didn't listen to the information you were given. Perhaps you didn't read all the leaflets that are available or were handed to you. Perhaps you didn't access your account on universal job match, where there are ample items of information for those claiming Job Seekers Allowance. You may have made your own "point", but personally I think that you appear to remain delusional in this instance!
no delusional here, email me privately and u can have my universal job match details, and you'll see yourself that me as a jobseeker did EVERYTHING that i should of done, as the saying goes, it takes two to tango, i held my end of the bargain, job centre plus did not.

Please explain how i was "caught out by my obvious ignorance" i had a legitimate excuse and/or reason not to attend that specific day, yet got slammed, im not a stupid person, i have qualifications, so im not the typical average person who walks in the job centre, so your narrow minded prejudice view of me (before u even know who i am) is rather disturbing.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ChrisNJ[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]annie1275[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]fedster[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Cheap Mower[/bold] wrote: Stop giving them money. There's plenty of jobs, its just some people think they are better than the job on offer (McDonalds, Asda etc)[/p][/quote]and yet my brother in law has applied for asda sainsburys and morrisons. been told he is over qualified for the job (he worked in the aerospace industry ) but will take any job he isnt proud he just wants to work. its the easiest way for a employer to say NO, by saying your over qualified i mean for Christ sake how under qualified do you need to be to work for one of the supermarkets yet again i see many of those that do sign on being sanctioned for not looking for work properly even when attending a job club (that is payed thousand per course to assist them) but also the behind the scenes is to make sure every person on the job club gets sanctioned. one chap appealed and low and behold had video of himself signing in on the days the job club said he didnt attend but alas 6 month sanction. and its a one way door on the job club go or get sanctioned (go follow the rules for searching for work and still get sanctioned)[/p][/quote]Fedster.When they say he is over qualified,what they mean is,they are frightened he will take their job eventually...I know someone this happened to 3 times,so he has toned his CV down a bit now....people are sanctioned for petty things, so when Dave says there are less people claiming unemployment it doesn't mean they have found a job,it means they are no longer getting money to live on...The people in the jobcenter are a joke. Well I hope it comes back and bites them in the arse..[/p][/quote]you're all right, im not on JSA now, but when i was there i found the staff at the job centre to be quite rude and aggressive, and not once when i went to "sign on" was i told this job has come in and matches you're cv etc, not once did they do anything remotely helpful in terms of looking for work. I was put onto a Cheshire Training course, which i attended (if i didnt got sanctioned) and yet again, any job search i did, i did myself, any CV i did, i did myself no help at all, everything i did there i could of done from home. Infact i went to sign on one week, and the lady tried to sanction me, as i couldnt reel off the top of my head the employers i had applied for work to, yet when provided with email proof she quickly backtracked, it certainly seems as if the only reason numbers are down are because of the stricter rules and/or people getting sanctioned for little or no reason at all, and the job centre are borderline useless![/p][/quote]The main role of the job Center Plus is simple, it is where you sign on for benefits. Yes there are sanctions to be expected for the use of public money what is wrong about that? I have personally found the Job Center Plus Staff the be exemplary helpful often to the point and clear about the conditions that have to be met by those including me who retrieve public money as benefit and JSA. It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions, any problems with that ChrisNJ!?[/p][/quote]none, but correct me if im wrong isnt their job also to help you back into work? and when people are getting sanctioned for nothing at all its quite concerning. this taxpayers money you're referring to, is that the same money that is used to fund the courses, one i attended yet got zero in return zero benfits whatsoever from attending?? arent the job centre supposed to help u get back into work?[/p][/quote]That of course depends on your attitude to Job Seeking and about what advice you are given by Staff at Job Center Plus. The more you do for yourself the more they will help. Do little and sanctions will apply. There are plenty of Jobs On UniversalJobMatch, and you will have a gateway access at Gov.UK. So it would be best if you tried harder rather than complaining here on this web site. That is in my own opinion ofcoarse.[/p][/quote]llike i initially posted, i no longer have to claim JSA, but no i went in there once when unemployed simply asking for one of the staff who have obviously known me for sometime to sign the back of a picture confirming it was indeed me for me to start a job.... did it happen? i'll let you guess for yourself, the staff in there are damnright useless, rude, aggressive , think they're better than people, assume the worst in people and generally look down there noses at you.[/p][/quote]Possibly in your narrow minded opinion, How naive of you to ask them to validate a photograph for identity purposes when they hardly know you.[/p][/quote]hardly know me? these are the same people i was signing on with week in and week out, there job is to help and do everything in their power to help me back into work, or do everything to enhance my chances of work, not speaking to me like a piece of dirt on their shoe. Can you explain to me please as i stated above, how their decisions on as/when to sanction people is correct, I'll give you another example of mine from about 10 months ago.... i had a dental appointment, i have all my treatment under sedation, my appointment was at 9.30am, i let the job centre know about this, and that i wasnt able to attend that day and if they needed confirmation of my appointment etc, i could happily provide it... the result, a 2 week sanction.... now please explain how that is fair?? .... Eventually after 2 seperate appeals, the decision eventually got overturned and i got my benefits, albeit some 6 weeks later, another problem is, they dont tell you you're sanctioned up until you actually sign on, a mere 2-3 days before you're due payment, and its far too late to appeal to get paid on time etc.... I await your typical stereotypical response, or are you going to surprise me??[/p][/quote]I don' think you have understood the procedures correctly, and i'll restate the following advice: It is the benefit claimers role while not working to spend a considerable amount of time seeking employment while the Job Center pays their NI contrebutions,[/p][/quote]i see you cannot answer the points i made, regarding sancions etc. think my point is made[/p][/quote]I think that you don't want to understand, perhaps won't understand the sanctions system when claimants are attempting to claim state benefits. I can personally understand that you have described that you were caught out by your obvious ignorance and culpable misunderstandings. Perhaps you didn't listen to the information you were given. Perhaps you didn't read all the leaflets that are available or were handed to you. Perhaps you didn't access your account on universal job match, where there are ample items of information for those claiming Job Seekers Allowance. You may have made your own "point", but personally I think that you appear to remain delusional in this instance![/p][/quote]no delusional here, email me privately and u can have my universal job match details, and you'll see yourself that me as a jobseeker did EVERYTHING that i should of done, as the saying goes, it takes two to tango, i held my end of the bargain, job centre plus did not. Please explain how i was "caught out by my obvious ignorance" i had a legitimate excuse and/or reason not to attend that specific day, yet got slammed, im not a stupid person, i have qualifications, so im not the typical average person who walks in the job centre, so your narrow minded prejudice view of me (before u even know who i am) is rather disturbing. ChrisNJ

11:41am Sun 22 Dec 13

SAC_in_Warrington says...

ChrisNJ, I have taken the information that you have provided in your comments, and assessed them. I confirm that I still think that you don't want to understand, perhaps won't understand the sanctions system when claimants are attempting to claim state benefits. As I have stated previously and now yet again; that I can personally understand that you have described that you were caught out by your obvious ignorance and culpable misunderstandings. All that said the argument should not be with me if it is sympathy or retribution that you are looking for, as I can't agree with your point of view on this occasion, and you can't agree with mine.
ChrisNJ, I have taken the information that you have provided in your comments, and assessed them. I confirm that I still think that you don't want to understand, perhaps won't understand the sanctions system when claimants are attempting to claim state benefits. As I have stated previously and now yet again; that I can personally understand that you have described that you were caught out by your obvious ignorance and culpable misunderstandings. All that said the argument should not be with me if it is sympathy or retribution that you are looking for, as I can't agree with your point of view on this occasion, and you can't agree with mine. SAC_in_Warrington

9:11pm Sun 22 Dec 13

local man says...

"Please explain how i was "caught out by my obvious ignorance" i had a legitimate excuse and/or reason not to attend that specific day, yet got slammed, im not a stupid person, i have qualifications, so im not the typical average person who walks in the job centre, so your narrow minded prejudice view of me (before u even know who i am) is rather disturbing."

So you think there are typical average people who walk in the job centre, and because your not stupid your not one of them? This does sound a bit of a narrow minded and prejudiced opinion to me.

After a long, long time in employment I was made redundant and have to say Job centre staff treated me fairly and with respect. I had to sign once every 2 weeks and it takes less than half an hour. I wouldn't make any appointments for my signing time, never missed one and got no hassle at all regarding job applications. Believe it or not the staff are human and if you speak to them nicely they respond in kind.
"Please explain how i was "caught out by my obvious ignorance" i had a legitimate excuse and/or reason not to attend that specific day, yet got slammed, im not a stupid person, i have qualifications, so im not the typical average person who walks in the job centre, so your narrow minded prejudice view of me (before u even know who i am) is rather disturbing." So you think there are typical average people who walk in the job centre, and because your not stupid your not one of them? This does sound a bit of a narrow minded and prejudiced opinion to me. After a long, long time in employment I was made redundant and have to say Job centre staff treated me fairly and with respect. I had to sign once every 2 weeks and it takes less than half an hour. I wouldn't make any appointments for my signing time, never missed one and got no hassle at all regarding job applications. Believe it or not the staff are human and if you speak to them nicely they respond in kind. local man

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