Four years for man who attacked shopkeeper with knife (From Warrington Guardian)

Scum bag! Low life Chav !

Perhaps he's a product of his Warrington up-bringing.

Armour Close, Longford,


Armour Avenue Longford please WG.

He was handed a four year sentence for robbery and a further 12 weeks for breaching a suspended sentence to run consecutively.

The streets are safer for the next two years at least.

You don't even know the guy so why you all being so judge mental? He's been though a really ruff time though his life mostly his childhood.. This is the first and last bad thing he's done. Warrington not going to be safer with or without him there's many horrible people in warrington so don't say it gonna be safe now he's locked up because its not!? He's a lovely and caring lad he don't mean to hurt people he really doesn't he's not like that

Slauren wrote:
You don't even know the guy so why you all being so judge mental? He's been though a really ruff time though his life mostly his childhood.. This is the first and last bad thing he's done. Warrington not going to be safer with or without him there's many horrible people in warrington so don't say it gonna be safe now he's locked up because its not!? He's a lovely and caring lad he don't mean to hurt people he really doesn't he's not like that

When you wake up from your dreaming about this "ideal" man, you must surely see the reality of his planned and deliberate actions, in addition to his collaboration with a partner in crime. A golden rule, if you have not got any money then you can't spend any money, any money that you are given will be minimal. Debt is a killer unless it is controlled. Support your friend by all means but it will not help him if you minimise the impact of his actions as you are doing.

Slauren wrote:
You don't even know the guy so why you all being so judge mental? He's been though a really ruff time though his life mostly his childhood.. This is the first and last bad thing he's done. Warrington not going to be safer with or without him there's many horrible people in warrington so don't say it gonna be safe now he's locked up because its not!? He's a lovely and caring lad he don't mean to hurt people he really doesn't he's not like that

Scum defending scum

He's a good man, say what you want about him but you do know him like I do. Scum look judging people who you don't even know is beyond a joke to be honest why judge other people's life? I don't think your life is perfect is it? No so make your life perfect be for you judge Matthews please

Slauren wrote:
He's a good man, say what you want about him but you do know him like I do. Scum look judging people who you don't even know is beyond a joke to be honest why judge other people's life? I don't think your life is perfect is it? No so make your life perfect be for you judge Matthews please

We don't need to judge him because the Court Judge may have adequately done that, however there is a thought by some that the punishment should have been much more severe.

Do you not agree that he should have been punished for what he did?

Yes I do agree that he should be punished and he's deceive what he got but what I don't agree on is why your all calling him and judging him, you don't know him to judge him and if you did know him like I do you wouldn't be say what your saying about him..

Slauren wrote:
He's a good man, say what you want about him but you do know him like I do. Scum look judging people who you don't even know is beyond a joke to be honest why judge other people's life? I don't think your life is perfect is it? No so make your life perfect be for you judge Matthews please

Doing what he did makes him a scum bag, i don't need to know him to know that

You have no right to call him a scum bag though, it's got nothing wrong to you has he? No thought not.. As I said I respect your opinion but just keep it to your self

Slauren wrote:
You have no right to call him a scum bag though, it's got nothing wrong to you has he? No thought not.. As I said I respect your opinion but just keep it to your self

So nice people carry knives and threaten shopkeepers?

Slauren wrote:
Yes I do agree that he should be punished and he's deceive what he got but what I don't agree on is why your all calling him and judging him, you don't know him to judge him and if you did know him like I do you wouldn't be say what your saying about him..

Even you could be his next victim if he is so deranged. I don't think that the shopkeeper will have the same opinion as you. What are your friends good points then and why was he intent on using the knife on another human-being?

He was going through a bad time and I know that's no excuse. And why would I be the next victim? Your making Matty be ten times worse than he really is. Yeah he has done some bad things in his life and he's paying for them now so why have you got to get involved. You don't even know him and your saying horrible things about him. He deceives to be locked up for a couple of years yes but he doesn't deceive idiots like you saying horrible things about him and judging him all the time it not fair. He can change and he will for the better.. I don't know why he pulled out a knife and someone else and I agree with you it's not right but he's being punished for it now so just leave it yeah?

Slauren wrote:
He was going through a bad time and I know that's no excuse. And why would I be the next victim? Your making Matty be ten times worse than he really is. Yeah he has done some bad things in his life and he's paying for them now so why have you got to get involved. You don't even know him and your saying horrible things about him. He deceives to be locked up for a couple of years yes but he doesn't deceive idiots like you saying horrible things about him and judging him all the time it not fair. He can change and he will for the better.. I don't know why he pulled out a knife and someone else and I agree with you it's not right but he's being punished for it now so just leave it yeah?

So you are going to support him in changing his ways when he comes out of prison? What if he doesn't think he needs to change anything? Is he really going to deal with his debt and will that cause further criminal activity to clear it? I hope that he can change his view on life and his attitude to other people and gain some self respect. I hope also that he benefits from the correctional programmes that may be available to him whilst in prison. I also want to point out that I haven't once called him by a derogatory term. I too think it important that he should change for the better and for his own safety and that of the community he lives in. I admire your loyalty to him and that is hard on you if he disrespects that loyalty when he comes out. Do encourage hi to get help and support that help for his own sake.

Yes I am going to support him when he gets out, I'm supporting him every step of the way, he's put me though quite a lot of hard times but he means everything to me so I'm helping in very way for him to change.. He writes to me all the times telling me he's going to change and I believe him. He's going to change and when he does get out he will have self respect and respect for others

Another young life ruined following cannabis use. Where are the pro-cannabis lobby? This drug makes kids do stupid things and we have a generation living a life of weed and computer games. Stock answer on here is to call people scum, when we going to look at the big picture and demand change?

*Off*

I just don't get why everyone's judging him when you don't actually know him.. Yeah he's done something wrong and he's been punished so all just leave him alone and keep out of it

Slauren wrote:
I just don't get why everyone's judging him when you don't actually know him.. Yeah he's done something wrong and he's been punished so all just leave him alone and keep out of it

Maybe because the law abiding citizens of the town and country are sick and tired of criminals using the excuse that they have had a rough time during their childhood and that when they go off the rails they use it to excuse their bad behaviour. Plenty of children suffer a range of issues as they grow up, 9/10 stay on the right side of the law and never use their childhood to be excused from doing wrong.
You also forget had he not pleaded guilty he would have been tried by 12 strangers who would all have passed judgement on him and as for support, I support him and plenty others like him, I pay tax which is then given out as benefits as part of our welfare state, this support is supposed to help him but instead its used to buy drugs and when there’s no money left after the weed he goes out robbing rather than go out and find work.
There’s FREE services out there to help people in debt seek help, there’s drug and alcohol addiction services to help support addicts to become drug free- its their choice to use it, there’s even a place called the job centre to help the unemployed seek work, had “Matty” ever tried any of these services? If no why?

The Maestro wrote:

Slauren wrote:
I just don't get why everyone's judging him when you don't actually know him.. Yeah he's done something wrong and he's been punished so all just leave him alone and keep out of it

Maybe because the law abiding citizens of the town and country are sick and tired of criminals using the excuse that they have had a rough time during their childhood and that when they go off the rails they use it to excuse their bad behaviour. Plenty of children suffer a range of issues as they grow up, 9/10 stay on the right side of the law and never use their childhood to be excused from doing wrong.
You also forget had he not pleaded guilty he would have been tried by 12 strangers who would all have passed judgement on him and as for support, I support him and plenty others like him, I pay tax which is then given out as benefits as part of our welfare state, this support is supposed to help him but instead its used to buy drugs and when there’s no money left after the weed he goes out robbing rather than go out and find work.
There’s FREE services out there to help people in debt seek help, there’s drug and alcohol addiction services to help support addicts to become drug free- its their choice to use it, there’s even a place called the job centre to help the unemployed seek work, had “Matty” ever tried any of these services? If no why?

Just remember nothing is 'mattys' fault . . .

Right first off all why are you all giving me crap because what Matty has done? And secondly he wasn't in benefits he worked. No he never used a service and I know he should off done but he never.. And I've not once said that nothing Mattys fault as I said before that he's wrong for what he has done.

The Maestro wrote:

Slauren wrote:
I just don't get why everyone's judging him when you don't actually know him.. Yeah he's done something wrong and he's been punished so all just leave him alone and keep out of it

Maybe because the law abiding citizens of the town and country are sick and tired of criminals using the excuse that they have had a rough time during their childhood and that when they go off the rails they use it to excuse their bad behaviour. Plenty of children suffer a range of issues as they grow up, 9/10 stay on the right side of the law and never use their childhood to be excused from doing wrong.
You also forget had he not pleaded guilty he would have been tried by 12 strangers who would all have passed judgement on him and as for support, I support him and plenty others like him, I pay tax which is then given out as benefits as part of our welfare state, this support is supposed to help him but instead its used to buy drugs and when there’s no money left after the weed he goes out robbing rather than go out and find work.
There’s FREE services out there to help people in debt seek help, there’s drug and alcohol addiction services to help support addicts to become drug free- its their choice to use it, there’s even a place called the job centre to help the unemployed seek work, had “Matty” ever tried any of these services? If no why?

From what I've read, Slauren doesn't have an issue with the conviction and the "sick and tired" "law abiding" citizens should be pleased that justice has been served. I think her issue is around the odd quirk of the human condition that shows itself when we are presented with the Internet and anonymity. Some discraceful mob behaviour and language on here. Shout " scumbag" "lowlife" and " Chav" like your ancestors did at the stocks hundreds of years ago... I'll sit here and shout " Neanderthals" at my screen like I do often when reading this publication.

People make mistakes, this could be one of them. The true judgement will be if he comes out of prison and turns his life around. If he does good on him, if not we don't want this kind of scum in Warrington. Only time will tell.

It's a forum/comments page where people are allowed to give their opinions freely. You might not like those opinions but that's life. You'll get over it.

My opinion is that little Matty deserved the sentence for what he put the victim through. As much as he's had a hard life, it's no excuse. When we allow excuses like this to become exceptions, society suffers. Let's hope little Matty sees the error of his ways and rehabilitates himself inside ready for the real world that the rest of us have to work hard in in order for us to pay for things we want rather than going around threatening people with weapons.

Chumhill I agree with you so much what's what I've been trying to say but people just argue the toss out of me.. The sentence what he got was right and I'm not disagreeing on that and I'm not saying you can't have you own opinion but all in saying is sometimes you have to keep your opinions to yourself because it hurts other people feelings

People do make mistakes, this guy made several thats why he was already on a suspended sentace. People do come on here and express their own opinions which they rightly can do so. Let's hope that Matty goes into prison and spends the next 18months thinking about where his life went wrong and how he's going to make the changes in his life to function as a respectable citizen rather than come out and carry on from where he left off.

PageA wrote:
Another young life ruined following cannabis use. Where are the pro-cannabis lobby? This drug makes kids do stupid things and we have a generation living a life of weed and computer games. Stock answer on here is to call people scum, when we going to look at the big picture and demand change?

And you have all the facts of this man's life and the case to put the blame firmly on cannabis and nothing else?

Perhaps if the cannabis market wasn't in the hands of unscrupulous criminals which allowed him to build up such large debts in the first place this young man wouldn't have got into such trouble.

Alcohol ruins many more millions of young lives than cannabis and that is a medically proven fact. You only have to read the repeated reports of drunken violence in this town to see that.. But hey, alcohol is legal and socially acceptable so lets demonise the weed instead..

I think it's you that needs to look at the bigger picture rather than you sweeping generalisations and prejudiced opinions about "a generation living a life of weed and computer games"... What utter small minded rot you spout.

He shouldn't go to jail, he would be more useful to society if he was used for vivisection purposes.

SickAndTired2 wrote:

PageA wrote:
Another young life ruined following cannabis use. Where are the pro-cannabis lobby? This drug makes kids do stupid things and we have a generation living a life of weed and computer games. Stock answer on here is to call people scum, when we going to look at the big picture and demand change?

And you have all the facts of this man's life and the case to put the blame firmly on cannabis and nothing else?

Perhaps if the cannabis market wasn't in the hands of unscrupulous criminals which allowed him to build up such large debts in the first place this young man wouldn't have got into such trouble.

Alcohol ruins many more millions of young lives than cannabis and that is a medically proven fact. You only have to read the repeated reports of drunken violence in this town to see that.. But hey, alcohol is legal and socially acceptable so lets demonise the weed instead..

I think it's you that needs to look at the bigger picture rather than you sweeping generalisations and prejudiced opinions about "a generation living a life of weed and computer games"... What utter small minded rot you spout.

Ahhh...there you are. I don't read about that many young people struggling with a cider addiction on here. Nothing to do with being socially unacceptable, cannabis brings about a fundamental change in a young persons attitude, motivation and aggression that can last for a lifetime and will on this occasion. I'm not blaming it on this and nothing else but it was a contributing factor strong enough to feature in this case. There are many things in the hands of unscrupulous criminals, should we do away with all laws so that we can do what we want without being exposed to them?

The thing is Matthew doesn't drink at all he smokes weed so I don't get why the subject of drinking gets involved

Slauren wrote:
The thing is Matthew doesn't drink at all he smokes weed so I don't get why the subject of drinking gets involved

Because there is a mention if weed so the pro cannabis lobby join in with their legalization arguments which always includes how bad and dangerous alcohol is and how it is legal to buy and consume when the much 'safer' drug, cannabis,
is still illegal

Right ok