Bumbling cannabis dealer caught out

Bumbling cannabis dealer caught out Bumbling cannabis dealer caught out

A BUMBLING cannabis dealer was caught out after a trail of soil from the plants he had been growing led to the front door of his flat.

Nathan Davies, of Hale Street, was eventually arrested after 10 two or three foot cannabis plants were found dumped in gardens in the area.

Warrington Crown Court heard officers followed the trail to the 21-year-old’s home in an apartment block and found a small cannabis farm inside in May last year.

Peter Hussey, prosecuting, said: “The defendant was captured on August 11 last year after trying to make off.

“He had a dozen wraps of cannabis in his trouser pocket and a cash bundle of £1,010.

“His phone was seized and texts were found showing he had been dealing drugs on a street level.”

Davies pleaded guilty to production of cannabis, possession with intent to supply and had earlier accepted in Magistrates Court he had failed to surrender on October 23, 2012 while out on bail.

He had previous offences in youth court for failing to surrender and threatening behaviour.

Simon Berkson, defending, said: “He has a drug problem but the defendant is committed to becoming drug free.”

Judge Andrew Long said he wished Davies well after giving him a 12 month sentence suspended for 12 months and ordering him to complete a six month drug rehabilitation and 12 month supervision order.

He added: “I’m impressed by the fact you’re trying your best to rehabilitate yourself.

“These are serious offences but you have now served two months or so while awaiting this appearance and in these circumstances I will give you a chance.”

Comments(48)

mr_BLUNT says...
12:23pm Thu 28 Feb 13

yes finally its official smoking weed does not effect your intelligence. lol idiot

LJ says...
12:50pm Thu 28 Feb 13

mr_BLUNT wrote:
yes finally its official smoking weed does not effect your intelligence. lol idiot
with you on that one

willlie says...
4:24pm Thu 28 Feb 13

If you want my advice, they is nothing wrong with Wacky Backy. It's good for you and it relaxes you like alcohol. It's ok to drive as well when you've had a load of joints. Dealing is also good, it makes you lots of money.

Owen Richards says...
5:53pm Thu 28 Feb 13

A ridiculous waste of public money and a terrible and cruel injustice.

Cannabis is a relatively safe substance with remarkable medicinal properties.

This is a the policy of a corrupt government funded by the alcohol lobby and the unlawful GW Pharmaceuticals monopoly on medicinal cannabis.

Threeeggomlette says...
7:32am Fri 1 Mar 13

Bored of all you pro cannabis idiots coming I did a little research of my own on the last comment.

GW Pharmaceutical does indeed make medicinal cannas products using plants that have a 0% THC content. All the little muppets who end up getting caught which you lot love to comment on wouldn't be interested in 0% THC as that is the psychoactive ingredient.

So Owen Richards even if GWP didn't have the monopoly as you put it 0% THC cannabis wouldn't be welcome in he streets.

You want to give your head a shake before you make stupid comments

Owen Richards says...
8:30am Fri 1 Mar 13

Threeeggomlette wrote:
Bored of all you pro cannabis idiots coming I did a little research of my own on the last comment.

GW Pharmaceutical does indeed make medicinal cannas products using plants that have a 0% THC content. All the little muppets who end up getting caught which you lot love to comment on wouldn't be interested in 0% THC as that is the psychoactive ingredient.

So Owen Richards even if GWP didn't have the monopoly as you put it 0% THC cannabis wouldn't be welcome in he streets.

You want to give your head a shake before you make stupid comments
Sativex, GW Pharma's cannabis medicine contains 5!% THC. It's a super strong, super concentrated tincture of skunk.

Each 100 microlitre spray contains:
2.7 mg delta-9-tetrahydroca
nnabinol (THC) and 2.5 mg cannabidiol (CBD).
Each 100 microlitre spray also contains up to 0.04 g alcohol.
Source: http://www.gwpharm.c
om/SmPC.aspx

So. I know you can't make an omelette without breaking eggs but 'idiots', 'muppets' and 'stupid' doesn't quite cover just being totally and absolutely wrong does it?

SickAndTired2 says...
9:41am Fri 1 Mar 13

Threeeggomlette wrote:
Bored of all you pro cannabis idiots coming I did a little research of my own on the last comment.

GW Pharmaceutical does indeed make medicinal cannas products using plants that have a 0% THC content. All the little muppets who end up getting caught which you lot love to comment on wouldn't be interested in 0% THC as that is the psychoactive ingredient.

So Owen Richards even if GWP didn't have the monopoly as you put it 0% THC cannabis wouldn't be welcome in he streets.

You want to give your head a shake before you make stupid comments
Likewise, I'm bored of ignorant, bigoted, prejudice knuckle draggers like you who take a little bit of Googled info, mis-interpret it and then turn it into your own gospel.

The truth about Sativex is that it does containt both THC and CBD in a 1:1 ratio, but hey don't let the scientific facts get in the way of your ridiculous one eyed and prejudiced rant about a plant which has been safely used by humans for over 10,000 years.

You've been brainwashed by reefer madness propaganda. Go back to sleep like the rest of the dumb sheeple.


http://www.gwpharm.c
om/sativex-faqs.aspx


"Sativex is administered as an oral spray which is absorbed by the patient’s mouth. Sativex® contains active ingredients called ‘cannabinoids’, which are extracted from cannabis plants grown and processed under strictly controlled conditions. It is composed primarily of a 1:1 ratio of two cannabinoids-CBD (cannabidiol-a non-psychoactive cannabinoid) and THC (delta-9-tetrahydroc
annabinol). The CBD:THC formulation is believed to enhance the therapeutic benefits of THC while modulating the unwanted psychotropic and other THC-related side effects, such as tachycardia. The spray delivery system keeps THC from entering the blood too rapidly and also minimizes the development of unwanted psychotropic effects."

LJ says...
10:08am Fri 1 Mar 13

I'm getting bored with the propaganda from all sides, and especially the 'if you don't use cannabis you're a knuckle dragger'

The story says it all for me.

What a stupid thing to do

willlie says...
11:42am Fri 1 Mar 13

What's the difference between smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol and smoking Cannabis ? They are all a drug.

willlie says...
11:44am Fri 1 Mar 13

Does anyone know where i can get some weed (wacky backy) from ? I'll pay the top price.

LJ says...
12:02pm Fri 1 Mar 13

willlie wrote:
Does anyone know where i can get some weed (wacky backy) from ? I'll pay the top price.
Whitecross?

or maybe just follow compost trails

grey_man says...
3:21pm Fri 1 Mar 13

SAT2

I love the way you say 'sheeple'. It describes to a tee people who just mimic what they hear from others.

When did you make it up?

willlie says...
11:09am Sat 2 Mar 13

You call yourself Greyman, have you ever thought of changing your name to " Silver Fox " ? You never know, you might even get some male admirers on the Warrington Guardian site. Your not gay are you Silver fox ?

SAC_in_Warrington says...
11:38am Sat 2 Mar 13

willlie wrote:
If you want my advice, they is nothing wrong with Wacky Backy. It's good for you and it relaxes you like alcohol. It's ok to drive as well when you've had a load of joints. Dealing is also good, it makes you lots of money.
You are "of course", Jesting on all points!

SAC_in_Warrington says...
11:59am Sat 2 Mar 13

willlie wrote:
What's the difference between smoking cigarettes, drinking alcohol and smoking Cannabis ? They are all a drug.
You forgot to add: Sugar, Tea, Coffee,Chocolate, aspirin and paracetamol to your addictive drug list.

I speak for those thus affected by "illegal" drugs and excessive mind altering, and inconsiderate social drug use. It is certainly recognised as a blight within our contemporary culture. I don't have a problem with pharmaceutical grade drugs as there is safeguards for their prescription and in dispensing them I do have very real issues with excessive alcohol use and people smoking in public places. I also detest the paraphernalia of their detestable drug habits, being left carelessly strewn about the environment, it's not safe or fair for others.

willlie says...
12:07pm Sat 2 Mar 13

Sac - no i'm being deadly serious !

SAC_in_Warrington says...
12:20pm Sat 2 Mar 13

willlie wrote:
Sac - no i'm being deadly serious !
Well, you certainly appear to me and other Warrington Citizens and Business people to be jesting with you comments on this contentious subject at issue. It is certainly unhealthy for indulging individuals and the local community in general.

SAC_in_Warrington says...
12:30pm Sat 2 Mar 13

willlie wrote:
Sac - no i'm being deadly serious !
It is certainly a deadly nuisance to most people, but I can also be reasonably sure that you won't accept that point or argument!

Owen Richards says...
12:33pm Sat 2 Mar 13

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
willlie wrote:
Sac - no i'm being deadly serious !
Well, you certainly appear to me and other Warrington Citizens and Business people to be jesting with you comments on this contentious subject at issue. It is certainly unhealthy for indulging individuals and the local community in general.
There is nothing unhealthy for adults about cannabis. It acts as a supplement to the endocannabinoid system and promotes homeostasis.

"Cannabis is safe for over-18 brains, but risky for under-18 brains.” - Professor Terrie Moffitt,

Institute of Psychiatry. August 2012

“Cannabis has been used safely for many thousands of years…there have been concerted efforts

to demonise the drug’s use.” - Professor Tim Kirkham, psychologist, Liverpool University. 2007

“I don’t think it causes mental illness. I have never seen a case of so-called cannabis psychosis.”

- Dr Trevor Turner, former vice president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists. 2007

“I don’t see a lot of problem cannabis users…we’re not seeing a lot of cannabis users presenting

for treatment.” - Dr Clare Gerada, chair, Royal College of General Practitioners. March 2012

"I think it is also important to note that we cannot be certain that there is a causal link between

cannabis use and psychosis at present."
Professor Glyn Lewis, University of Bristol. March 2011

Three million people in the UK use cannabis at least once per month and the UN estimates between 119 million and 224 million users worldwide aged 15-64. Despite this, rates of psychosis and schizophrenia worldwide are stable or declining.

SAC_in_Warrington says...
1:01pm Sat 2 Mar 13

Millions of flies like to eat faeces but that is not going to convince me that there are any benefits to it. Like wise the use of cannabis as a social drug is certainly not going to suit the majority of us who see people so greatly affected by the excessive use of cannabis and their ilk promoting it and other so called socially accepted drugs like alcohol and tobacco.

SickAndTired2 says...
4:03pm Sat 2 Mar 13

LJ wrote:
I'm getting bored with the propaganda from all sides, and especially the 'if you don't use cannabis you're a knuckle dragger'

The story says it all for me.

What a stupid thing to do
'if you don't use cannabis you're a knuckle dragger'

Clearly you're a knuckle dragger too if you can misinterpret my words so badly in order to justify you're pathetic argument.

SickAndTired2 says...
4:06pm Sat 2 Mar 13

grey_man wrote:
SAT2

I love the way you say 'sheeple'. It describes to a tee people who just mimic what they hear from others.

When did you make it up?
Oh dear oh dear, is that best you can come up with? What a senseless attempt at trolling. But then, people like you lack any form of coherent argument don't you..

SickAndTired2 says...
4:09pm Sat 2 Mar 13

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Millions of flies like to eat faeces but that is not going to convince me that there are any benefits to it. Like wise the use of cannabis as a social drug is certainly not going to suit the majority of us who see people so greatly affected by the excessive use of cannabis and their ilk promoting it and other so called socially accepted drugs like alcohol and tobacco.
Please explain how you can draw comparisons between cannabis use in humans and flies eating faeces?

Just a bigoted attempt to compare a group of people with excrement in order to put forward you're own prejudice views, while you look down your condescending nose at them.

Owen Richards says...
5:04pm Sat 2 Mar 13

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Millions of flies like to eat faeces but that is not going to convince me that there are any benefits to it. Like wise the use of cannabis as a social drug is certainly not going to suit the majority of us who see people so greatly affected by the excessive use of cannabis and their ilk promoting it and other so called socially accepted drugs like alcohol and tobacco.
Clearly it doesn't matter what evidence is offered to you, you have made up your mind and are incapable of changing it. Your loss.

SAC_in_Warrington says...
6:04pm Sat 2 Mar 13

Owen Richards wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Millions of flies like to eat faeces but that is not going to convince me that there are any benefits to it. Like wise the use of cannabis as a social drug is certainly not going to suit the majority of us who see people so greatly affected by the excessive use of cannabis and their ilk promoting it and other so called socially accepted drugs like alcohol and tobacco.
Clearly it doesn't matter what evidence is offered to you, you have made up your mind and are incapable of changing it. Your loss.
Now you are making unfounded assumptions about me. My point of view is thus, that it even with the extensive amount of information you have provided, there has been nothing obtained within it to persuade me to think or believe otherwise.

grey_man says...
6:23pm Sat 2 Mar 13

SickAndTired2 wrote:
grey_man wrote:
SAT2

I love the way you say 'sheeple'. It describes to a tee people who just mimic what they hear from others.

When did you make it up?
Oh dear oh dear, is that best you can come up with? What a senseless attempt at trolling. But then, people like you lack any form of coherent argument don't you..
I think that's a bit of a disappointing response from somebody who keeps telling us how much more intelligent and free-thinking and just generally better he is than everybody else.

So when did you make up the word 'sheeple'? I can't believe that anybody as unique, gifted and original as you would just parrot what he heard from other people.

Are you like this in real life by the way? Do you roam down the street like a mad drunk shouting abuse at everybody who doesn't think like you?

SAC_in_Warrington says...
6:29pm Sat 2 Mar 13

SickAndTired2 wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Millions of flies like to eat faeces but that is not going to convince me that there are any benefits to it. Like wise the use of cannabis as a social drug is certainly not going to suit the majority of us who see people so greatly affected by the excessive use of cannabis and their ilk promoting it and other so called socially accepted drugs like alcohol and tobacco.
Please explain how you can draw comparisons between cannabis use in humans and flies eating faeces?

Just a bigoted attempt to compare a group of people with excrement in order to put forward you're own prejudice views, while you look down your condescending nose at them.
This a common and well known saying, although I have tidied it up a bit, for this public comments site. However, are you not used to people explaining concepts or ideas, by the use of analogies? My comments are my views and are not preconceived in any way, You and some of the other commentators have written copious amounts of information on this issue and there has been nothing within the previous comments to persuade me to think or believe otherwise. About you feeling, or thinking that I am being condescending must have been gleaned from your imagination as you have not set eyes on me and you could not have seen any of my body language. I don't have a problem with free speech or your opinions but I don't have to agree with all or even any of them come to that!

SAC_in_Warrington says...
6:39pm Sat 2 Mar 13

grey_man wrote:
SickAndTired2 wrote:
grey_man wrote:
SAT2

I love the way you say 'sheeple'. It describes to a tee people who just mimic what they hear from others.

When did you make it up?
Oh dear oh dear, is that best you can come up with? What a senseless attempt at trolling. But then, people like you lack any form of coherent argument don't you..
I think that's a bit of a disappointing response from somebody who keeps telling us how much more intelligent and free-thinking and just generally better he is than everybody else.

So when did you make up the word 'sheeple'? I can't believe that anybody as unique, gifted and original as you would just parrot what he heard from other people.

Are you like this in real life by the way? Do you roam down the street like a mad drunk shouting abuse at everybody who doesn't think like you?
Well said gray man, I agree with your reasonable comments and the , sentiments it contains. This young man, doesn't seem to respect the right of free speech we all have. One day though, he will be experienced enough to put together a few sentences of a reasoned argument as we have previously demonstrated.

grey_man says...
6:41pm Sat 2 Mar 13

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
SickAndTired2 wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Millions of flies like to eat faeces but that is not going to convince me that there are any benefits to it. Like wise the use of cannabis as a social drug is certainly not going to suit the majority of us who see people so greatly affected by the excessive use of cannabis and their ilk promoting it and other so called socially accepted drugs like alcohol and tobacco.
Please explain how you can draw comparisons between cannabis use in humans and flies eating faeces?

Just a bigoted attempt to compare a group of people with excrement in order to put forward you're own prejudice views, while you look down your condescending nose at them.
This a common and well known saying, although I have tidied it up a bit, for this public comments site. However, are you not used to people explaining concepts or ideas, by the use of analogies? My comments are my views and are not preconceived in any way, You and some of the other commentators have written copious amounts of information on this issue and there has been nothing within the previous comments to persuade me to think or believe otherwise. About you feeling, or thinking that I am being condescending must have been gleaned from your imagination as you have not set eyes on me and you could not have seen any of my body language. I don't have a problem with free speech or your opinions but I don't have to agree with all or even any of them come to that!
SAC

The important thing to remember is that people only disagree with SAT2 because they're not as bright as him. He's really clever and if you don't believe exactly what he tells you to believe, then it's because you're sheeple, a knuckle dragger and whatever else.

God I admire him. He's so clever. Such a free thinker. So original.

SAC_in_Warrington says...
6:47pm Sat 2 Mar 13

grey_man wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
SickAndTired2 wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Millions of flies like to eat faeces but that is not going to convince me that there are any benefits to it. Like wise the use of cannabis as a social drug is certainly not going to suit the majority of us who see people so greatly affected by the excessive use of cannabis and their ilk promoting it and other so called socially accepted drugs like alcohol and tobacco.
Please explain how you can draw comparisons between cannabis use in humans and flies eating faeces?

Just a bigoted attempt to compare a group of people with excrement in order to put forward you're own prejudice views, while you look down your condescending nose at them.
This a common and well known saying, although I have tidied it up a bit, for this public comments site. However, are you not used to people explaining concepts or ideas, by the use of analogies? My comments are my views and are not preconceived in any way, You and some of the other commentators have written copious amounts of information on this issue and there has been nothing within the previous comments to persuade me to think or believe otherwise. About you feeling, or thinking that I am being condescending must have been gleaned from your imagination as you have not set eyes on me and you could not have seen any of my body language. I don't have a problem with free speech or your opinions but I don't have to agree with all or even any of them come to that!
SAC

The important thing to remember is that people only disagree with SAT2 because they're not as bright as him. He's really clever and if you don't believe exactly what he tells you to believe, then it's because you're sheeple, a knuckle dragger and whatever else.

God I admire him. He's so clever. Such a free thinker. So original.
Almost like he is in another world or some similar described place. Perhaps I should have said; What is, he on !?

James MC says...
7:56pm Sat 2 Mar 13

If Cannabis were decriminalised we wouldn't have bumbling cannabis dealers, many are just as quick as to sell a kid a few benzos to go with the high.

If Cannabis were legal, those who want to consume it for whatever reason (medical, recreational, curiosity) would have a safe way to do so, with the money going into the public purse via taxes, just the way Alcohol is treated. They're going to consume it regardless.

Do you want a generation of young people pushed into the hands of criminals because they're branded as criminals themselves for smoking a bit of weed? Or never being able to find meaningful employment in the future thanks to a criminal record?

I don't. But thats the reality of the situation.

James
CLEAR Media Team
Cannabis Law Reform

SAC_in_Warrington says...
8:16pm Sat 2 Mar 13

James MC wrote:
If Cannabis were decriminalised we wouldn't have bumbling cannabis dealers, many are just as quick as to sell a kid a few benzos to go with the high.

If Cannabis were legal, those who want to consume it for whatever reason (medical, recreational, curiosity) would have a safe way to do so, with the money going into the public purse via taxes, just the way Alcohol is treated. They're going to consume it regardless.

Do you want a generation of young people pushed into the hands of criminals because they're branded as criminals themselves for smoking a bit of weed? Or never being able to find meaningful employment in the future thanks to a criminal record?

I don't. But thats the reality of the situation.

James
CLEAR Media Team
Cannabis Law Reform
You have not sold your ideas to me. I think they are back to front. I think that you ignore all of the disadvantages to individuals and to communities. There will always be a cost of such substances as there will always be a criminal community who will ply their trade in the stated addictive social drugs with the associated detritus and paraphernalia.

grey_man says...
8:17pm Sat 2 Mar 13

James

I agree, for what it's worth.

Are you suggesting SAT2 may have been at the benzos so that explains his aggression and irritability?

Cleopatra says...
6:39am Sun 3 Mar 13

I am always amused when the pro cannabis lobby state that if cannabis was legal there wouldn't be dealers. Well cigarettes and alcohol are legal but there are still people peddling them on the black market. Much the same as with a lot of other legal products

willlie says...
11:58am Sun 3 Mar 13

Will you girls calm down, you'll give yourself a heart attack or a hernia. Cannabis is the best thing since sliced bread, thankyou god !

willlie says...
11:59am Sun 3 Mar 13

I have been taking drugs since i was 5 year old and it hasn't done me any harm !

SAC_in_Warrington says...
1:27pm Sun 3 Mar 13

Cleopatra wrote:
I am always amused when the pro cannabis lobby state that if cannabis was legal there wouldn't be dealers. Well cigarettes and alcohol are legal but there are still people peddling them on the black market. Much the same as with a lot of other legal products
Well said and factually true. I truly agree with this comment.

SAC_in_Warrington says...
1:37pm Sun 3 Mar 13

willlie wrote:
Will you girls calm down, you'll give yourself a heart attack or a hernia. Cannabis is the best thing since sliced bread, thankyou god !
So you don't feel able to be more specific then? One day you may care to join us in the real world.

MrBenggo says...
9:14pm Sun 3 Mar 13

willlie wrote:
If you want my advice, they is nothing wrong with Wacky Backy. It's good for you and it relaxes you like alcohol. It's ok to drive as well when you've had a load of joints. Dealing is also good, it makes you lots of money.
There could be employment courses on growing the stuff and marketing the stuff,just think of the job opportunities
My post is as stupid as "Willies".

Apage1 says...
11:22am Mon 4 Mar 13

James MC wrote:
If Cannabis were decriminalised we wouldn't have bumbling cannabis dealers, many are just as quick as to sell a kid a few benzos to go with the high.

If Cannabis were legal, those who want to consume it for whatever reason (medical, recreational, curiosity) would have a safe way to do so, with the money going into the public purse via taxes, just the way Alcohol is treated. They're going to consume it regardless.

Do you want a generation of young people pushed into the hands of criminals because they're branded as criminals themselves for smoking a bit of weed? Or never being able to find meaningful employment in the future thanks to a criminal record?

I don't. But thats the reality of the situation.

James
CLEAR Media Team
Cannabis Law Reform
James, You're at the pinnacle of human evolution...no one in the history of the Universe has been further in time than you right now. I hope that making it easier for people to sedate themselves isn't all you achieve with your time on this Earth. Can't you put your energy into a campaign group that might actually do something positive for the world? or at least your neighbours?

SAC_in_Warrington says...
1:38pm Mon 4 Mar 13

Apage1 wrote:
James MC wrote:
If Cannabis were decriminalised we wouldn't have bumbling cannabis dealers, many are just as quick as to sell a kid a few benzos to go with the high.

If Cannabis were legal, those who want to consume it for whatever reason (medical, recreational, curiosity) would have a safe way to do so, with the money going into the public purse via taxes, just the way Alcohol is treated. They're going to consume it regardless.

Do you want a generation of young people pushed into the hands of criminals because they're branded as criminals themselves for smoking a bit of weed? Or never being able to find meaningful employment in the future thanks to a criminal record?

I don't. But thats the reality of the situation.

James
CLEAR Media Team
Cannabis Law Reform
James, You're at the pinnacle of human evolution...no one in the history of the Universe has been further in time than you right now. I hope that making it easier for people to sedate themselves isn't all you achieve with your time on this Earth. Can't you put your energy into a campaign group that might actually do something positive for the world? or at least your neighbours?
Well said.

Klaus_Thymann says...
9:32pm Mon 4 Mar 13

I see nothing wrong with cannabis. It is safer than alcohol in my opinion.

How about we have a prohibition of alcohol and see the mess it creates?

Let's just legalise and tax cannabis instead.

SAC_in_Warrington says...
2:19am Tue 5 Mar 13

You are in a minority on this one and therefore unlikely to happen as you so describe. It is more likely to become a prescribed pharmaceutical in the future and become even more refined from the raw and inconsistent product that is currently available.

SAC_in_Warrington says...
2:36am Tue 5 Mar 13

Owen Richards wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
willlie wrote:
Sac - no i'm being deadly serious !
Well, you certainly appear to me and other Warrington Citizens and Business people to be jesting with you comments on this contentious subject at issue. It is certainly unhealthy for indulging individuals and the local community in general.
There is nothing unhealthy for adults about cannabis. It acts as a supplement to the endocannabinoid system and promotes homeostasis.

"Cannabis is safe for over-18 brains, but risky for under-18 brains.” - Professor Terrie Moffitt,

Institute of Psychiatry. August 2012

“Cannabis has been used safely for many thousands of years…there have been concerted efforts

to demonise the drug’s use.” - Professor Tim Kirkham, psychologist, Liverpool University. 2007

“I don’t think it causes mental illness. I have never seen a case of so-called cannabis psychosis.”

- Dr Trevor Turner, former vice president of the Royal College of Psychiatrists. 2007

“I don’t see a lot of problem cannabis users…we’re not seeing a lot of cannabis users presenting

for treatment.” - Dr Clare Gerada, chair, Royal College of General Practitioners. March 2012

"I think it is also important to note that we cannot be certain that there is a causal link between

cannabis use and psychosis at present."
Professor Glyn Lewis, University of Bristol. March 2011

Three million people in the UK use cannabis at least once per month and the UN estimates between 119 million and 224 million users worldwide aged 15-64. Despite this, rates of psychosis and schizophrenia worldwide are stable or declining.
More lies, dam lies and those statistics. You will be telling us next that the earth is flat and that other planets are inhabited by intelligent life forms.

I am all for free speech and your most valued opinion, but I and others are not required to believe it.

James MC says...
3:35pm Wed 6 Mar 13

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
James MC wrote:
If Cannabis were decriminalised we wouldn't have bumbling cannabis dealers, many are just as quick as to sell a kid a few benzos to go with the high.

If Cannabis were legal, those who want to consume it for whatever reason (medical, recreational, curiosity) would have a safe way to do so, with the money going into the public purse via taxes, just the way Alcohol is treated. They're going to consume it regardless.

Do you want a generation of young people pushed into the hands of criminals because they're branded as criminals themselves for smoking a bit of weed? Or never being able to find meaningful employment in the future thanks to a criminal record?

I don't. But thats the reality of the situation.

James
CLEAR Media Team
Cannabis Law Reform
You have not sold your ideas to me. I think they are back to front. I think that you ignore all of the disadvantages to individuals and to communities. There will always be a cost of such substances as there will always be a criminal community who will ply their trade in the stated addictive social drugs with the associated detritus and paraphernalia.
So you're for sale for the right argument? You're right, I didn't address them, so I will now.

Realistically, yes, there will always be a criminal community who will do anything to make money, and drugs will always play some part in that, just the way petrol, cigarettes do now.

The cost to communities and individuals are much higher now under the Misuse of Drugs Act than they would be under a revised, more liberal policy that emphasised harm reduction.

For example, if the cost is so high to the individual (I would beg to differ for most non-problematic drug users, including Alcohol), then why is current policy focused on criminalisation? This adds to the cost of any individual from barring people from future employment with a criminal record and possible jail time.

Can you honestly tell me that decriminalisation and regulated sale of soft drugs such as Cannabis (as well as quality control, driving laws, age laws, and tax revenue), and a shift from criminality to administrative offences (which lead to access of services) would cause more social harms than the criminal free for all we have now? Drugs are easier to get now than ever. Do you think a dealer cares if some 14 year old wants a bag of grass? They'll get it regardless of its legality. As it stands, theres a good chance it has been covered in grinded glass or silica. That doesn't happen when its regulated and sold. Never seen glass in any grass in Amsterdam.

The current policy hasn't actually achieved its aims, its failed on pretty much every front. I understand its intentions, but in practise it hasn't worked. The top advisors to the Government have been very vocal about it, top police, drug workers, social workers, and anyone of importance not in power have been very vocal on its failures.

Everything I've stated can be backed up by sources if you request. Can you seriously tell me you aren't thinking twice?

James MC says...
3:37pm Wed 6 Mar 13

grey_man wrote:
James

I agree, for what it's worth.

Are you suggesting SAT2 may have been at the benzos so that explains his aggression and irritability?
Dunno but it would explain a lot.

James MC says...
3:41pm Wed 6 Mar 13

MrBenggo wrote:
willlie wrote:
If you want my advice, they is nothing wrong with Wacky Backy. It's good for you and it relaxes you like alcohol. It's ok to drive as well when you've had a load of joints. Dealing is also good, it makes you lots of money.
There could be employment courses on growing the stuff and marketing the stuff,just think of the job opportunities
My post is as stupid as "Willies".
To be fair, I seen a job ad in California looking for someone to work in their medical dispensary and it paid about the same as a shelf stacker would get paid here. Its a massive cash crop not just for medical patients but for the hemp too.

Legitimate tax paying job.

James MC says...
3:45pm Wed 6 Mar 13

Apage1 wrote:
James MC wrote:
If Cannabis were decriminalised we wouldn't have bumbling cannabis dealers, many are just as quick as to sell a kid a few benzos to go with the high.

If Cannabis were legal, those who want to consume it for whatever reason (medical, recreational, curiosity) would have a safe way to do so, with the money going into the public purse via taxes, just the way Alcohol is treated. They're going to consume it regardless.

Do you want a generation of young people pushed into the hands of criminals because they're branded as criminals themselves for smoking a bit of weed? Or never being able to find meaningful employment in the future thanks to a criminal record?

I don't. But thats the reality of the situation.

James
CLEAR Media Team
Cannabis Law Reform
James, You're at the pinnacle of human evolution...no one in the history of the Universe has been further in time than you right now. I hope that making it easier for people to sedate themselves isn't all you achieve with your time on this Earth. Can't you put your energy into a campaign group that might actually do something positive for the world? or at least your neighbours?
You shouldn't assume things about people.

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