Parents of Stockton Heath teens hit out after attacker is given caution

11:00am Friday 15th February 2013 in News

THE parents of three boys beaten up in Stockton Heath have hit out at Cheshire Police for not pressing charges against their attacker.

The teenagers - two aged 15, and one aged 14 - were on London Road when one threw a snowball at the 40-year-old man, who then attacked them.

Two were thrown to the ground while the other was punched to the face and left on the floor, according to witnesses.

Merika Robinson, of Wedgewood Drive in Stockton Heath got a phone call to say her 15-year-old son Maccauley had been knocked out.

She says he was taken to Alder Hey Hospital for eight stitches to a wound in his lip.

Mrs Robinson said: “He was in total shock and he’s still shaken up about it.

“No police officer has called me to see how he is.

“I’ve contacted the police but they never get back to me.

“They’ve not kept me informed of what’s going on.

“I’m not happy at all.

“They should be charging him for the safety of other children in the neighbourhood.

“If he can just flip at three boys he can flip at anyone.”

Pamela Lavell, of London Road, witnessed the attack, with son William, aged 14, among the victims.

“I thought Maccauley was dead, he was bleeding out of his mouth,” she said.

“You’re not allowed to hit your own kids, let alone a stranger beating them.

“I think the town should know what’s going on.”

The incident took place at around 5.45pm on Sunday, January 20.

Police confirmed on Monday, February 4, the man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was cautioned.

Inspector Sarah Heath, of Warrington South Neighbourhood Policing Unit, said: "At 5.30pm on January 20th police were called to London Road in Stockton Heath following reports of an altercation between a man and three teenagers.

 

"The teenagers had been throwing snowballs at the man and his family. He remonstrated with them and there was an altercation in the street, which resulted in one of the teenagers being knocked to the floor and sustaining a graze to the back of his head and a cut to the inside of his lip.

"He was taken to Warrington Hospital for treatment to his injuries.

 

"Officers attended the scene and spoke to all those involved along with a number of witnesses.

"Following a full and thorough investigation into what happened - and taking into account all of the circumstances surrounding the incident - a decision was made to issue the man with a caution for assault.

 

"The man had remained at the scene following the incident, co-operated fully with officers and admitted his part in the incident - in part claiming that he acted in self defence.

"The teenagers and their families were kept fully updated on the progress of the investigation and the subsequent outcome was explained to them fully.

 

"There are a number of circumstances in which a caution can be issued for an offence. 

"Cautions can be issued on occasions where there is a full and unequivocal admission by a remorseful offender and they have no previous convictions.

"A caution is used in specific circumstances in order to divert someone from the court system, to give a person of previous good character the opportunity to assess their behaviour to help prevent any re-offending.

 

"We take all issues of this nature extremely seriously and are committed to tackling crime and disorder in Warrington. 

"Receiving a caution is a serious matter, this remains on a person's record and would form part of any vetting/disclosure issue.

"We are committed to dealing with all crime in the most effective and proportionate way given each set of circumstances."

Comments(66)

Jo Warrington says...
11:22am Fri 15 Feb 13

I can understand why the parents are upset, it would be awful to know your child had been assaulted and ended up in hospital, however, although throwing snowballs might sound like a bit of harmless fun, when confronted with 3 teenage lads who you don't know throwing them at your family it sounds like the man was provoked. How did he know that these lads were just having fun, all it would take is a stone in a snowball to have someone's eye out or cause a more serious injury. I think the moral of the story here is have fun with your mates but don't throw things at people you don't know as they might not take kindly to it!

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LJ says...
11:25am Fri 15 Feb 13

Well I hope the teenagers are all right, and I also hope they think twice about doing it again

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HappyMisery says...
11:32am Fri 15 Feb 13

From the facts, they provoked a response from the man and when they got the response, they antagonised him further to the point where he snapped and became violent. This is a great result for the hardworking family men and a warning for unruly teens who think that their actions will have no consequences because they are young.

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Southoxfordwire says...
11:45am Fri 15 Feb 13

Never felt the need to comment before but this mother is clearly a moron. How can kids expect to throw things at people and just laugh it off? Good on the fella for belting them. I am glad the young lad is traumatised as he has clearly learned his lesson.

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Billy Porter says...
11:48am Fri 15 Feb 13

...but this mother is clearly a moron...

Exhibit A: she named her son MacCauley.

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dignified lawman says...
11:52am Fri 15 Feb 13

if i was walking with my 2 little boys and a gang of teenagers started throwing snowballs at us id do the same .

sounds like it was fully deserved !!!

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Mark Tickle says...
12:16pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Let's not kid ourselves here, at 14 and 15 years old they should have known better than to start throwing snowballs at their elders, whatever happened to respecting your elders, it would have never have crossed my mind at that age to do something like that!! I personally think the man in question, giving one of them a slap was completely entitled too!!

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R.S.Leigh says...
12:37pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Is Maccauley named after the bar he was conceived in?

After reading the story, my guess is yes.

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mysterio says...
12:39pm Fri 15 Feb 13

You would think it would be safe walking with your family through Stockton Heath wouldn't you?
These village idiots thought they were being clever but the brats got more than they bargained for.
As for "Mummy" protesting in the local press that her "Little Prescious" got a good hiding off that nasty man, well she really does need to spend her time teaching her kid some manners.

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Wire2013 says...
12:48pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Spot on mysterio...

this bloke should be on the front paige of the guardian with a reward from the mayor of Warrington...

the parents should be punished as well as the kids... be honest if the kids were throwing snowballs, not a snowball as the parent stated then they got what they deserved..

kids believe they can get a way with murder and because no one person stands up they continue berating the public...

well let me tell you this, it is SNOW joke I tell thee, SNOW joke!!

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Geoff Siddall says...
1:12pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Based on the facts reported I say well done to the police. These are street wise teens not little children. The man was protecting his family. Teens need to respect everyone in the community. If they want a snow ball fight then go to the park and play in the snow all day long. The man was given a caution which for a respectable man protecting his family was tough. Remember Mr Love.

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Southoxfordwire says...
1:15pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Cheers for that billy porter. That gave me a little chuckle.

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Sliver says...
1:45pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Why did the teeangers not receive a caution? They began the whole incident by assaulting the man and his family.

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nextdoor says...
2:15pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Was he sent to Alder Hey or Warrington? Alder Hey is a little drastic for a busted lip.

I think the man should appeal against the caution, not seen any comments yet saying what he did was wrong!

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grey_man says...
2:36pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Obviously what he did was wrong but we've all encountered kids like these seem to be. If he asked them to stop throwing snowballs at his family and they refused then lipped off, it's hard to have a great deal of sympathy for them even though he shouldn't have done it.

Some kids work on the basis that an adult won't do anything however much they're provoked so people are just expressing some relief that a couple of them have learned different.

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Mr Andrew Mackie says...
2:40pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Violence dosen't solve anything and to assault minors is just not acceptable. The Police don't want to know about serious crimes like this. They want easy ones to boost figures.

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Southoxfordwire says...
3:12pm Fri 15 Feb 13

I have to say mr mackie, violence obviously solved the problem of the snowballs being thrown. It usually does when fists come the other way

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grey_man says...
3:15pm Fri 15 Feb 13

It's not a serious crime Andrew. It looks like some kids asking for a smack and - for once - getting it.

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HappyMisery says...
3:17pm Fri 15 Feb 13

These Teens should have received an ASBO.

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SickAndTired2 says...
5:21pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Jo Warrington wrote:
I can understand why the parents are upset, it would be awful to know your child had been assaulted and ended up in hospital, however, although throwing snowballs might sound like a bit of harmless fun, when confronted with 3 teenage lads who you don't know throwing them at your family it sounds like the man was provoked. How did he know that these lads were just having fun, all it would take is a stone in a snowball to have someone's eye out or cause a more serious injury. I think the moral of the story here is have fun with your mates but don't throw things at people you don't know as they might not take kindly to it!
So of course, when confronted by 3 snowball throwing teens ones first response should always be to immediately escalate the situation into violence to ensure ones own safety. What utter nonsense.

The man is clearly a bully and a coward to attack 3 boys and is obviously handy with his fists to have took them on.

Those defending his actions are just fools simply perpetuating a myth of fear that they believe should strike anyone into reacting simply when faced with a situation they feel they can't control. I say to those people, get a grip.

He would have been perfectly within his rights to throw one back, but if you believe knocking a kid clean out is the answer then you need help.

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SickAndTired2 says...
5:25pm Fri 15 Feb 13

HappyMisery wrote:
From the facts, they provoked a response from the man and when they got the response, they antagonised him further to the point where he snapped and became violent. This is a great result for the hardworking family men and a warning for unruly teens who think that their actions will have no consequences because they are young.
What a stupid arrogant and prejudiced opinion. Who said anything about this man being a "hard working family man" and the kids being "unruly teens"??!

Have we become a nation so obsessed with creating divisions between demographic groups because of government and trash media propaganda??

Pull your head out of your backside and give yourself a slap of reality. This was nothing more than a bit of youthful horseplay and the thuggish reaction is wholly unwarranted.

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SickAndTired2 says...
5:27pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Jeez what a town of narrow minded prejudiced bigots I'm ashamed to have been born amongst. You've all been brainwashed by the "broken Britain" pantomime played out by the Daily Mail and their ilk. You utter suckers.

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amymummy says...
7:05pm Fri 15 Feb 13

So if your own son was to throw snowballs at a 40 year old man, You would all take him home, knock him unconscious and give him a split lip??? How is this acceptable because its someone elses child...Get a grip!!! I agree they were probably quite intimidating, but this was hardly self defence. Throw a snowball back !!

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choperado says...
8:09pm Fri 15 Feb 13

I am sick and tired of the fella with that name, shut up why don't you. The brats could have been 6 foot and 12 stone, he could have been with partner and toddlers. Self defence by proxy? What were his options to get a satisfactory outcome? As we see the cops did nothing about the kids, if he had called them what do you think would have happened? Patronised on the phone, police turn up at his home 6 hours later and say "well it's done now, unlikely we will find them but you did the right thing...." In days gone by the kid would have got a slap off his dad when he told him why he had a split lip. Obviously these brats aren't brought up with proper boundaries and this chap was. He did what was right by protecting himself and his family just like Mr Newlove. We are fortunate it didn't end as awfully as it did for him. Sickntired jog on, your a minority.

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Southoxfordwire says...
8:59pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Amymummy, a well brought up child wouldn't throw snowballs at a 40 year old man.

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biginthesticks says...
9:50pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Can I point out that at 14 and 15 you are not seen as a child far from you are a youth and in passing 10 can be seen by a youth court.
As the saying goes don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. or in this case don't throw snowballs if you have a glass jaw.

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old-codger says...
10:15pm Fri 15 Feb 13

biginthesticks says...
9:50pm Fri 15 Feb 13

Can I point out that at 14 and 15 you are not seen as a child far from you are a youth and in passing 10 can be seen by a youth court.
As the saying goes don't throw stones if you live in a glass house. or in this case don't throw snowballs if you have a glass jaw.”
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Well said, These youths should have been cautioned too,
Warrington hospital can put stitches in, Saves a trip to liverpool.
The mother is a moron so we cant expect any difference from her brood.

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Tidalracer says...
10:41am Sat 16 Feb 13

Is it just me or was anybody else puzzled by the statement:
"Pamela Lavell, of London Road, witnessed the attack, with son William, aged 14, among the victims".

Why didn't she intervene when the boys were throwing snowballs at 'innocent' passers-by? If parents were more proactive about their own children's anti social behaviour, other parents would not have to intervene.

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Mr Andrew Mackie says...
10:51am Sat 16 Feb 13

This grown man who assaulted the kids is just a bully, thug and a coward. Did he not do daft things in his younger days ? the way to sort things out is, use proper communication but you can't take the law into your own hands and dish out acts of violence.

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Geoff Siddall says...
11:09am Sat 16 Feb 13

If you play with fire expect to get burnt I say (Yes I know it was snow)

Throwing snowballs has the same impact as throwing bricks, Its a assault on someone. Yes the teens should also have got a caution.

After the event Police officers attended the scene and spoke to all those involved along with a number of witnesses and following a full and thorough investigation into what happened - and taking into account all of the circumstances surrounding the incident - a decision was made to issue the man with a caution for assault.

What esle can you expect from the police they did the job we expect of them and required of them by law.

Sometimes and I am not saying in this case, people want more than a caution in order to gain compensation.

If it was my son I would want him to get a caution as well if I felt he was to blame in order to teach him a lesson to respect the law and respect others.

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Mr Andrew Mackie says...
11:23am Sat 16 Feb 13

Mr Geoff Siddall - what the Police (Tax time wasting meglomaniacs) are saying by only giving this thug a caution is - it is okay to assault someone and you'll get away with it. This sends out the wrong message to thugs. Violence should be clamped down by the boys and girls in blue, but they have there priorities wrong.

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nextdoor says...
2:44pm Sat 16 Feb 13

http://www.telegraph
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to-arrest-people-thr
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Interesting.

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Geoff Siddall says...
3:32pm Sat 16 Feb 13

Mr Andrew Mackie wrote:
Mr Geoff Siddall - what the Police (Tax time wasting meglomaniacs) are saying by only giving this thug a caution is - it is okay to assault someone and you'll get away with it. This sends out the wrong message to thugs. Violence should be clamped down by the boys and girls in blue, but they have there priorities wrong.
The man was given a caution so did not get away with his act of self defence. A caution is a punishment. Should he be involved in anything else the caution will go against him. Lets hope he does not and the lads also do not assault anyone with anything including snowballs.

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richiepooh says...
4:40pm Sat 16 Feb 13

quote "An elderly man said he was beaten and left wounded in an alleyway after confronting teenagers who hurled abuse and snowballs at his wife.
Brian Cox, 74, said he was punched and hit after chasing down youths in Northampton last Thursday, leaving him with a black eye and swollen face.
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this was just two teenagers aged 14 and 17...if Id have had three teenagers of yobbish age throwing snowballsa at me they would have got the same...

He said snow was thrown at his wife, Joy, 69, outside their home after she heard bangs on the front window.

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shellsby says...
5:42pm Sat 16 Feb 13

feel very sorry for the gentleman. these yobs are disgraceful and so are their parents for thinking that this man should have been charged. the mum needs to take a reality check and her upbringing of her children should be questioned. this man is not a bully its the thugs that attacked him who are the bullies

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stupot0041 says...
7:09pm Sat 16 Feb 13

Mr. Mackie, I have serious concerns about your constant protection of thugs on the comments, last week you were protecting a dog murderer and now you're doing the same. Three teens throwing snowballs at a family is not the same as three 5 year olds doing it. These hooligans are not the nice, innocent boys you think they are having fun but are yobs who thought they could threaten a man with his family and got what they asked for this time. Other people are often intimidated by such behaviour.
Mr. Mackie, you clearly have a problem with the police and a soft touch for yobs so I guess you are anway not the best person to add comments here.

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stupot0041 says...
7:14pm Sat 16 Feb 13

Mr. Mackie, I've also just read your disgusting comment about the lad with Asperger's syndrome and your protection of the security guard in Golden Square. It just adds weight to my last comment and casts a severe shadow over the seriousness of your inputs.

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old-codger says...
7:47pm Sat 16 Feb 13

Dear Stupot0041,

Andrew Mackie is an attention seeking moron looking for a reaction,
He thinks he is being PC with his ( call them Sir or Mister ) comments,
He has a problem with the police for some strange reason, He,s a bit strange himself with his moronic attitude towards society. He,s best ignored.

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Mr Andrew Mackie says...
12:44pm Sun 17 Feb 13

They is no respect anywhere now.
(1) People assaulting each other.
(2) People smoking and it should be banned.
(3) People swearing who obviously have know knowledge of the english language.
(4) Tattoos should be banned.
(5) People don't have respect for the police because they harrass and arrest the wrong people.
(6) People don't have respect for the judges or the criminal system because they haven't got a clue what's serious and what's not serious.
(7) Don't get me started about the scumbag press, abusing people on a daily basis, losing people there jobs, homes, possessions, family.
(8)You can't get legal aid to defend yourself against wrong doing.
(9) Everyone is trying to rip each other off.
(10) The country has gone to the dogs, broken britain.
(11) They send all this money abroad, this would be ok if our country wasn't on it's knees.
(12) Capilitism must end and the rich must help the poor.
(13) Our troops shouldn't be in Afghanistan, this is making us a sitting target. They is no oil in Afghanistan and we must stop kissing Americas backside.

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kazz32 says...
1:35pm Sun 17 Feb 13

in my days the local bobby came round and gave u a clip himself .good old days

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Billy Porter says...
1:42pm Sun 17 Feb 13

"(3) People swearing who obviously have know knowledge of the english language."

Hahahaha.

Btw, I swear like a trooper and I did English for a degree.

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kazz32 says...
2:41pm Sun 17 Feb 13

don,t swear in public .could find yourself getting a snow ball on your neck billy

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bill_paddington says...
3:15pm Sun 17 Feb 13

Clearly the issue here wasn’t the throwing of snowballs but the verbal altercation that resulted. None of us were there so nobody can be certain but it doesn’t take a great deal of imagination to visualise what probably went on.

The police are the only ones with the facts and who have heard both sides of the argument so I’m more inclined to believe their judgement than that of an emotional mother. As for Andrew and the resident police critic, it’s reassuring to know that in this instance, they’re pretty much on their own and the vast majority of people don’t share their point of view.

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grey_man says...
7:46pm Sun 17 Feb 13

Spot on Bill. I think most people can read between the lines here. The bloke shouldn't have done it and hence the police caution, but anybody who thinks he's just gone over and cracked them for throwing a snowball hasn't been out much lately. There's more to this.

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SickAndTired2 says...
9:46am Mon 18 Feb 13

choperado wrote:
I am sick and tired of the fella with that name, shut up why don't you. The brats could have been 6 foot and 12 stone, he could have been with partner and toddlers. Self defence by proxy? What were his options to get a satisfactory outcome? As we see the cops did nothing about the kids, if he had called them what do you think would have happened? Patronised on the phone, police turn up at his home 6 hours later and say "well it's done now, unlikely we will find them but you did the right thing...." In days gone by the kid would have got a slap off his dad when he told him why he had a split lip. Obviously these brats aren't brought up with proper boundaries and this chap was. He did what was right by protecting himself and his family just like Mr Newlove. We are fortunate it didn't end as awfully as it did for him. Sickntired jog on, your a minority.
Good that my name causes the sensation in people like you. Why tell me to jog on when just because YOU cannot handle the opinion of someone like me?

So I'm in a minority? Good!! It's confirmation then that I'm not amongst the masses of dumb sheeple like you whose caveman way of thinking is holding the rest of humanity back!!

How dare you even try and bring the sickening attack on Mr Newlove to try and justify you prejudiced and one eyed argument on this matter? You have shown utter disregard for the scale of seriousness of this crime in your comparison in the pursuit of being right.

You have absolutely no proof whatsoever that any of the above would have happened, you're simply making up scenarios to back up your sensationalist and fear induced reality. A reality of a crazy individual with a brainwashed mind.

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Jo Warrington says...
11:01am Mon 18 Feb 13

SickAndTired2 wrote:
Jo Warrington wrote:
I can understand why the parents are upset, it would be awful to know your child had been assaulted and ended up in hospital, however, although throwing snowballs might sound like a bit of harmless fun, when confronted with 3 teenage lads who you don't know throwing them at your family it sounds like the man was provoked. How did he know that these lads were just having fun, all it would take is a stone in a snowball to have someone's eye out or cause a more serious injury. I think the moral of the story here is have fun with your mates but don't throw things at people you don't know as they might not take kindly to it!
So of course, when confronted by 3 snowball throwing teens ones first response should always be to immediately escalate the situation into violence to ensure ones own safety. What utter nonsense.

The man is clearly a bully and a coward to attack 3 boys and is obviously handy with his fists to have took them on.

Those defending his actions are just fools simply perpetuating a myth of fear that they believe should strike anyone into reacting simply when faced with a situation they feel they can't control. I say to those people, get a grip.

He would have been perfectly within his rights to throw one back, but if you believe knocking a kid clean out is the answer then you need help.
I don't condone violence at all and I don't 'need help'. It's understandable that all involved are upset and this situation obviously got out of hand when it resulted in a boy having to go to hospital. My point is that before throwing things at strangers (even seemingly harmless snowballs) these kids should perhaps have been aware that their actions could provoke an unwanted reaction - in this case an extreme but unfortunatley not uncommon one. Anyway, besides all of that and all of the debate above I of course hope Maccauley is ok and feels better soon.

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HappyMisery says...
11:55am Mon 18 Feb 13

SickAndTired2 wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
From the facts, they provoked a response from the man and when they got the response, they antagonised him further to the point where he snapped and became violent. This is a great result for the hardworking family men and a warning for unruly teens who think that their actions will have no consequences because they are young.
What a stupid arrogant and prejudiced opinion. Who said anything about this man being a "hard working family man" and the kids being "unruly teens"??!

Have we become a nation so obsessed with creating divisions between demographic groups because of government and trash media propaganda??

Pull your head out of your backside and give yourself a slap of reality. This was nothing more than a bit of youthful horseplay and the thuggish reaction is wholly unwarranted.
Youthful horseplay to throw objects at strangers? Don't be silly. I suppose the best way to deal with it was to give them a nice warm hug? Their behavior was "unruly" - def: not readily ruled, disciplined, or managed

As for removing my head from my backside, I'd suggest you're the person struggling to accept reality here. The teens were in the wrong. End of story.

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Flash123 says...
12:27pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Serves them right really. Would this have happened if they hadn't provoked it? No.

The way society is these days, you can't blame the bloke IMO. If people kept themselves to themselves, they wouldn't get in trouble.

As for Mackie, it's a crying shame there's no facility to hide comments from certain posters on this site.

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SickAndTired2 says...
2:36pm Mon 18 Feb 13

HappyMisery wrote:
SickAndTired2 wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
From the facts, they provoked a response from the man and when they got the response, they antagonised him further to the point where he snapped and became violent. This is a great result for the hardworking family men and a warning for unruly teens who think that their actions will have no consequences because they are young.
What a stupid arrogant and prejudiced opinion. Who said anything about this man being a "hard working family man" and the kids being "unruly teens"??!

Have we become a nation so obsessed with creating divisions between demographic groups because of government and trash media propaganda??

Pull your head out of your backside and give yourself a slap of reality. This was nothing more than a bit of youthful horseplay and the thuggish reaction is wholly unwarranted.
Youthful horseplay to throw objects at strangers? Don't be silly. I suppose the best way to deal with it was to give them a nice warm hug? Their behavior was "unruly" - def: not readily ruled, disciplined, or managed

As for removing my head from my backside, I'd suggest you're the person struggling to accept reality here. The teens were in the wrong. End of story.
So you condone violence as a way of dealing with such matters. And why is it people like you seem to only be able to deal in extremes?? "Giving them a nice warm hug"? What on Earth are you even saying?? The actions of this man resulted in far worse consequences for the youngsters, yet you are blind to these facts in the pursuit of your own pompous self righteousness. If that is your concept of reality, I'll kindly steer clear of it.

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TerryTrucker says...
2:47pm Mon 18 Feb 13

Hosea 8:7 : For they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.

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HappyMisery says...
3:57pm Mon 18 Feb 13

SickAndTired2 wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
SickAndTired2 wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
From the facts, they provoked a response from the man and when they got the response, they antagonised him further to the point where he snapped and became violent. This is a great result for the hardworking family men and a warning for unruly teens who think that their actions will have no consequences because they are young.
What a stupid arrogant and prejudiced opinion. Who said anything about this man being a "hard working family man" and the kids being "unruly teens"??!

Have we become a nation so obsessed with creating divisions between demographic groups because of government and trash media propaganda??

Pull your head out of your backside and give yourself a slap of reality. This was nothing more than a bit of youthful horseplay and the thuggish reaction is wholly unwarranted.
Youthful horseplay to throw objects at strangers? Don't be silly. I suppose the best way to deal with it was to give them a nice warm hug? Their behavior was "unruly" - def: not readily ruled, disciplined, or managed

As for removing my head from my backside, I'd suggest you're the person struggling to accept reality here. The teens were in the wrong. End of story.
So you condone violence as a way of dealing with such matters. And why is it people like you seem to only be able to deal in extremes?? "Giving them a nice warm hug"? What on Earth are you even saying?? The actions of this man resulted in far worse consequences for the youngsters, yet you are blind to these facts in the pursuit of your own pompous self righteousness. If that is your concept of reality, I'll kindly steer clear of it.
I believe that you're preaching self righteous rubbish on here. You've lost sight of the fact that teens instigated the situation, then exacerbated the situation which then led to them becoming "victims" in the situation. They got what they deserved, and what most of these idiotic kids deserve - a smack. If we kept the values of respect as we had when I was their age, Warrington would be a nicer and safer place for everyone.

If I had gone home at the age of 15 complaining I'd been punched by a man for throwing something at him, my Dad would have belted me for causing a nuisance. They can't pick a fight and then run off expecting police to take action because they didn't win.

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SickAndTired2 says...
4:19pm Mon 18 Feb 13

HappyMisery wrote:
SickAndTired2 wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
SickAndTired2 wrote:
HappyMisery wrote:
From the facts, they provoked a response from the man and when they got the response, they antagonised him further to the point where he snapped and became violent. This is a great result for the hardworking family men and a warning for unruly teens who think that their actions will have no consequences because they are young.
What a stupid arrogant and prejudiced opinion. Who said anything about this man being a "hard working family man" and the kids being "unruly teens"??!

Have we become a nation so obsessed with creating divisions between demographic groups because of government and trash media propaganda??

Pull your head out of your backside and give yourself a slap of reality. This was nothing more than a bit of youthful horseplay and the thuggish reaction is wholly unwarranted.
Youthful horseplay to throw objects at strangers? Don't be silly. I suppose the best way to deal with it was to give them a nice warm hug? Their behavior was "unruly" - def: not readily ruled, disciplined, or managed

As for removing my head from my backside, I'd suggest you're the person struggling to accept reality here. The teens were in the wrong. End of story.
So you condone violence as a way of dealing with such matters. And why is it people like you seem to only be able to deal in extremes?? "Giving them a nice warm hug"? What on Earth are you even saying?? The actions of this man resulted in far worse consequences for the youngsters, yet you are blind to these facts in the pursuit of your own pompous self righteousness. If that is your concept of reality, I'll kindly steer clear of it.
I believe that you're preaching self righteous rubbish on here. You've lost sight of the fact that teens instigated the situation, then exacerbated the situation which then led to them becoming "victims" in the situation. They got what they deserved, and what most of these idiotic kids deserve - a smack. If we kept the values of respect as we had when I was their age, Warrington would be a nicer and safer place for everyone.

If I had gone home at the age of 15 complaining I'd been punched by a man for throwing something at him, my Dad would have belted me for causing a nuisance. They can't pick a fight and then run off expecting police to take action because they didn't win.
How is throwing snowballs now classed as "picking a fight" - again you're making things up to suit your own argument. There is no evidence of them picking a fight in the story and if throwing snowballs is enough to provoke a violent response from Neanderthals like you then you've clearly got anger management issues. Perhaps you should go and seek help for this mal-adjusted **** for violent retribution??

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SickAndTired2 says...
4:46pm Mon 18 Feb 13

and why on earth censor the word l u s t?

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Alison4498 says...
5:25pm Mon 18 Feb 13

All parents should be aware of what their kids are upto on the streets, and what threatening behaviour they use at such a young age to their elders or people in authority including the police and teachers.property is also being damaged on a regular basis to public and private property.....this has been a personal situation for me as I have had vandalism at christmas time to my property, I can only agree if I had caught the people responsible for the damage I would have done the same ! These nuisance youths need to be taught a lesson about respect and their parents to get into the real world of how their kids are really behaving! I have two children one of which is a teenager and would NEVER behave in such a way.

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shellsby says...
8:10pm Mon 18 Feb 13

thankyou for people like alison 4498 these nuisance youths cause havoc. most people want to come home at the end of the day and rest. thats why the parents of these yobs send their kids out so they dont have to deal with them at home

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Billy Porter says...
12:59am Tue 19 Feb 13

Yeah.

Kids, eh?

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Mr Andrew Mackie says...
10:12am Tue 19 Feb 13

Flash 123 you rude, offensive, obnoxious, ignorant, anti social, negative, disrespectful, harrassing, victimising, discriminating, belitting scumbag coward who's scared to put his real name on comments. Just a troll hiding behind his computer. Are you a journalist or screw by any chance. Politeness costs nothing, neither does manners - remember that ! If you give respect, you get it back !

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Mr Andrew Mackie says...
10:20am Tue 19 Feb 13

Old Codger - you old fogey, don't you go dying on me. Another fool, coward, troll, who's scared to reveal his real name !

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Mr Andrew Mackie says...
10:22am Tue 19 Feb 13

Stupot 0041 - another fool, troll, who has a brain cell the size of a pea, and i am being generous at that !

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Mr Andrew Mackie says...
10:24am Tue 19 Feb 13

Flash 123 - you have no respect for yourself, never mind anyone else you gutless coward !

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Mr Andrew Mackie says...
10:28am Tue 19 Feb 13

The people who think violence solves things are just thugs, brutes, bullys, cowards, idiots, and they should all be ashamed of themselves.They is just no excuse for this type of behaviour.

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grey_man says...
11:08am Tue 19 Feb 13

Andrew Mackie

Whereas personal abuse with people who disagree with you is the sign of what?

SAT2

I like your use of the word 'sheeple' did you think of that yourself or are you just copying other people? Just flocking to their side, so to speak.

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Mr Andrew Mackie says...
11:15am Tue 19 Feb 13

Greyman (Silver Fox) What are you talking about ? I haven't even mentioned "Sheeple" I don't need to copy off other people, i fight my own corner !

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grey_man says...
12:29pm Tue 19 Feb 13

I know. That's why it was aimed at somebody else.

Fighting your own corner shouldn't mean calling other people the names you have.

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Nobby-1 says...
5:23pm Tue 19 Feb 13

Your not tha Andrew mackie who likes a bit of erm....... Photography ?

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shellsby says...
8:22pm Tue 19 Feb 13

kids were in the wrong. end of. they got what they deserved

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