Arpley tip plan turned down by councillors - as it happened (From Warrington Guardian)
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Arpley tip plan turned down by councillors - as it happened
Updated 7:35pm Wednesday 30th January 2013 in News By Hannah Bargery
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- Councillors agree to turn down plans to extend the life of Arpley
- 10 opponents - including the MP, councillors and residents - speak against
- Tip owners say council has ignored requests for information
- Legal battle now likely but tip to close in October as it stands
7:35pm
So as it stands Arpley will close in October. But an appeal is likely against tonight's decision meaning a public inquiry is likely in the summer at some stage. Whether it will be resolved before the October deadline is unlikely.
7:31pm
Huge cheers ring out, it's the end of #Arpley
— @hannahbargery 30 January 2013
7:31pm
Arpley bosses FCC say the council has been ignoring requests for information since April last year and ignored freedom of information requests.
It looks unlikely this will be the end of it. Get set for some legal rows to come.
7:28pm
So there we have it. Didn't take as long as we might have expected but councillors have turned it down unanimously
7:26pm
It's all over! Unanimous refusal for #Arpley plan
— @hannahbargery 30 January 2013
7:25pm
It all goes a bit panto as boos and hisses fill the Parr Hall as representative from FCC, formerly WRG, speaks. He criticises council for not responding to requests for background papers and says legal letter was sent this week as last resort. Councillors move the application is refused
7:12pm
Nick Bent says he is in 100% agreement with David Mowat opposing #Arpley and it doesn't happen often
— @hannahbargery 30 January 2013
7:09pm
Clr Keith Gleave highlights traffic travelling down Whittle Avenue due to the tip and noise and vibrations it causes.
Councillors listen in
7:08pm
7:04pm Wed 30 Jan 13
yazhoo1 says
Well done to David Mowat. He thoroughly deserved the round of applause he got. This should guarantee his election next time, a real representative of the people!!
7:08pm
Labour councillor Pat Wright and Conservative MP David Mowat have joined forces to protest.
Guardian photographer Ian Park took this picture
7:06pm
Clr Linda Dirir takes stat of the night as she claims 50k seagulls on #Arpley
— @hannahbargery 30 January 2013
7:03pm
Bob Hardie gets the biggest laugh of the night. He says if #Arpley was a household would have permanent asbo
— @hannahbargery 30 January 2013
7:03pm
Resident John Boyle representing Saxon Park estate speaks passionately about a six-year-old asking him to 'stop the stink'.
He calls for a 'clean place to raise families which will never be achieved while our neighbours operate the way they do'
7:02pm
The Parr Hall is well filled for the meeting.
6:59pm
Don't forget, you can let us know your thoughts.
Comment below, email newsdesk@guardiangrp.co.uk or tweet using #arpley
6:57pm
Huge cheers for Clr Pat Wright as she says 'enough is enough' #Arpley
— @hannahbargery 30 January 2013
6:56pm
Up steps Clr Pat Wright.
She says: Residents have waited a long time for October 2013 to come round.
'I'm sure WRG will make themselves out to be thoughtful but this is not the case.
'Enough is enough and residents should not be subjecyed to another 12 years of misery'.
Huge cheers as she finishes speaking and cries of 'Yes Pat!'
6:51pm
Arpley meeting is under way and council is being criticised for not following proper procedure
— @hannahbargery 30 January 2013
6:50pm
Resident Derek Moody is up next after a round of applause for David Mowat.
He says residents were offered a 'three card trick' when applicant WRG gave them the option during consultation of waste being further away from nearby homes but piled higher.
6:49pm
6:33pm Wed 30 Jan 13
SAC_in_Warrington says
The current tip is full and overflowing, it has to be a resounding NO! It is still going to cost the Warrington Community Charge payer loads of money with regard to the containment or the dispersal of the significantly large amounts of the toxic gasses produced by the rotting rubbish from the North West region.
6:48pm
David Mowat is first to speak against the proposal. He asks if whether the tip is really needed and adds homes were bought near the site with the belief it was going to close in 2013.
6:47pm
Slight delay to the start of the meeting. Councillors were given the option to defer after the applicant hit out saying proper procedures had not been followed
But members of the development management committee have voted to plough on
6:46pm
Around 100 members of the public have gathered at the Parr Hall for tonight's meeting
5:40pm
Ahead of the meeting, here is our report from last week on the fight against Arpley tip's proposed expansion.
Here is the story
http://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk/news/10177280.Residents_set_to_fight_at_Arpley_meeting/
5:33pm
RT @NickBent: I'll be speaking at big public mtng about Arpley tip tonight. 6.30pm Parr Hall, all welcome. Hope to see @warringtonnews & @no2wrg there.
— @wgtonnicpriest 30 January 2013
5:21pm
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Comments(19)
yazhoo1
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7:04pm Wed 30 Jan 13
moleogod
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8:50pm Wed 30 Jan 13
widnesman
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10:25pm Wed 30 Jan 13
Boxerboy
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11:07pm Wed 30 Jan 13
widnesman
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12:44am Thu 31 Jan 13
Rex Mundi
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8:07am Thu 31 Jan 13
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:It's not full - that's the whole point. It's because so little now goes to landfill that it's not been filled yet. The question is whether it would ever be filled as landfill reduces, so even another 12 years might not be enough. Probably at appeal the key point will be whether there are enough other landfill sites in the region to take the waste that would not go to Arpley if it closes.
The current tip is full and overflowing, it has to be a resounding NO! It is still going to cost the Warrington Community Charge payer loads of money with regard to the containment or the dispersal of the significantly large amounts of the toxic gasses produced by the rotting rubbish from the North West region.
Boxerboy
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8:40am Thu 31 Jan 13
widnesman wrote:To start with I'm quite chubby ,bald and in my 60s but that could be anyone !
Boxerboy ! Who are you really ?!!
moleogod
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8:53am Thu 31 Jan 13
SAC_in_Warrington
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4:51pm Thu 31 Jan 13
Rex Mundi wrote:So they are trying to build a mountain of rubbish to rival The Pennines then and physically separate The North from The South of Warrington? I have no doubt that it is full and overflowing! I seem to recall that its original purpose was to raise the land above the water-table and create some form of flood defences when Gateworth Farm and the land surrounding it was devastated with this effluent treatment plant and the now horrific landfill site.
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:It's not full - that's the whole point. It's because so little now goes to landfill that it's not been filled yet. The question is whether it would ever be filled as landfill reduces, so even another 12 years might not be enough. Probably at appeal the key point will be whether there are enough other landfill sites in the region to take the waste that would not go to Arpley if it closes.
The current tip is full and overflowing, it has to be a resounding NO! It is still going to cost the Warrington Community Charge payer loads of money with regard to the containment or the dispersal of the significantly large amounts of the toxic gasses produced by the rotting rubbish from the North West region.
SickAndTired2
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6:23pm Thu 31 Jan 13
It's full, it spans a massive space and it's going to take probably 10s if not 100s of thousands of years to decompose...
old-codger
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8:00pm Thu 31 Jan 13
SAC_in_Warrington
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10:24pm Thu 31 Jan 13
old-codger wrote:This area has been a location for toxic fumes and immensely odorous air for more than a century, having been the location for heavy industry, the manufacture if lead paint and Campbell's Chemical Works, (no soup works though). There was a summer smell from the canal when the brackish water gave off an odorous miasma. There was also the smell of the agricultural trades such as muck spreading. Sometimes noxious fumes drifted on the wind from neighbouring chemical works in Runcorn and Widnes. It is now time for some respite for this area and it is certainly long overdue.
It stinks a thousand times worse than the soup factory that used to be just down the road, Its just not human to expect folk to live like this.
Stan Tonks
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11:13pm Thu 31 Jan 13
Perhaps it's residents that smell (of the winged type or otherwise).
Shame were not getting 250 mph trains dragging nuclear waste to London wafting past the landfill to make the smell descend on the towns upper class in Appleton (made me laugh the other day in the London Bridge pub, which is apparently in Appleton being above the Bridgewater canal) that people in Appleton call Stockton Heathers "lower earthers" due to them being downst t'hill.
Must get cloth cap to doff next time in that side of town.
Stan Tonks
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11:15pm Thu 31 Jan 13
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:What is an odorous miasma?
old-codger wrote:This area has been a location for toxic fumes and immensely odorous air for more than a century, having been the location for heavy industry, the manufacture if lead paint and Campbell's Chemical Works, (no soup works though). There was a summer smell from the canal when the brackish water gave off an odorous miasma. There was also the smell of the agricultural trades such as muck spreading. Sometimes noxious fumes drifted on the wind from neighbouring chemical works in Runcorn and Widnes. It is now time for some respite for this area and it is certainly long overdue.
It stinks a thousand times worse than the soup factory that used to be just down the road, Its just not human to expect folk to live like this.
Would my wife have one?
Cleopatra
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6:36am Fri 1 Feb 13
SAC_in_Warrington
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11:15am Fri 1 Feb 13
11:15pm Thu 31 Jan 13
"What is an odorous miasma?"
It was thought to have caused the cholera epidemic in central London and lead to the construction of the sewers in order to rid the City of human detritus and effluent.
"Would my wife have one?"
If you do have one in your home or business then a plumber should be able to sort it out or a person from Dinorod
Karlar
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6:00pm Fri 1 Feb 13
SAC_in_Warrington
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2:25pm Sat 2 Feb 13
Karlar wrote:I was actual referring to a later event of Te Big Stink that occurred in the capital, thus:
The cholera epidemic in central London was accompanied a malodorous miasma according to Samuel Pepys -Warrington Guardian 1660. As SCA_in_Warrington says it was less a case of Dior and more slanted towards what wafts most times from Daveyhulme.
Following an outbreak of cholera in 1853, Joseph Bazalgette, Chief Engineer to the Metropolitan Commission for Sewers, prepared a report recommending a solution, by building two great intercepting sewers flanking the Thames, to drain eastwards to treatment plants, where "deodorised water" would be discharged into the river.
... and not the occasion you thought that I was alluding to.
SAC_in_Warrington says...
6:33pm Wed 30 Jan 13