Career thief with 20 previous convictions given 'one last chance' (From Warrington Guardian)

What a joke ! 21st offence and that's just the ones that he has been caught for .. Being let off because he is doing his best to get a job and is THINKING about setting up a car valeting business.. So if I trespass, rob, smash into property, leave people scared in there own house and get caught...
I could just say hey mr judge "I'm thinking of setting up a business" (a cash payment one at that !) ,
Then to be let off astounding ..

Lets hope his next job is the judges house & not mine or yours.Perhaps a bit longer in jail earlier on his "career" would have dampened done his enthusiasm to go back out on the rob.Cant somebody give these dodgy so called judges a job they could perhaps cope with that does'nt require any backbone.

“Your rate of offending has fallen considerably"

It would fall even quicker if he was locked up!

In appearing to be lenient by not totally removing his liberty the Recorder has placed some restrictions and conditions in sentencing this clearly stated habitual thief. My main and cynical concern for this alternative sentence would be the realistic amount of supervision he would need to prevent him re-offending and continuing his career as an experienced thief and burglar. I don't think this is possible at the moment in Warrington, and Cheshire Constabulary area as a whole.

With burglaries of dwellings (and that includes a pub with live-in landlord) a custodial sentence should be automatic.

If the offender was aware that the premises were occupied , or can reasonably have assumed they were occupied, then , because of an assumed willingness to commit acts of violence, this should be for a MINIMUM of five years.

Think some Judges need to live in the real world, how many times are scum gona get away with this sort of thing 21times he won't learn a thing now he's set in his way,

No surprises with this sentence,its what the public expects now,the law is a joke.
I pose the question,was the judge a relative of the man?

scrote!!!! why shud we put up with this at all???? i dont care if prisons are bursting at the seams, lock all these offenders up and employ more prison guards etc!!!!!!

"Rate of offending has fallen considerably"..How do they know?

Maybe the amount of times he's been caught has fallen.

1st offence fair enough, but 21st???

Perhaps you might prefer that convicted criminals are housed on ships anchored on the Irish sea. Perhaps it may be preferred to have them housed in the now derelict mines in the area. Perhaps some commentators would like persistent offenders who show no sign of changing, be shot or rather executed at the Appleton Shooting Range. I am not advocating any of these but I think that some people might prefer them in preference to the current, "system".

How long until burglary 22?!?!?!?!

I would be devastated if someone broke into my house and more so if they then got off with it. Prisons may be overcrowded but that is because there are so many people out there committing crime. SAC you need to realise that people are entitled to their opinion without bringing them down like you always seem to do.

He, the thief hasn't quite got away with it. He could still end up behind bars because he has a suspended prison sentence, is tagged, on a curfew and will have to do some unpaid menial tasks for a set number of hours. The issues that I have commented on is that who will supervise him, have they enough staff to do this and do they have sufficient funds to do it successfully. It is clear that you have an issue with me, the remedy is quite simple Pauline McEwan, change the way you feel or think and be more self confident and don't blame me as I can't prevent you from choosing to feel brought down. Now, in my opinion and in all sincerity, that should work. I shall still say, Long Live Free Speech. The balls now in your court!

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
He, the thief hasn't quite got away with it. He could still end up behind bars because he has a suspended prison sentence, is tagged, on a curfew and will have to do some unpaid menial tasks for a set number of hours. The issues that I have commented on is that who will supervise him, have they enough staff to do this and do they have sufficient funds to do it successfully. It is clear that you have an issue with me, the remedy is quite simple Pauline McEwan, change the way you feel or think and be more self confident and don't blame me as I can't prevent you from choosing to feel brought down. Now, in my opinion and in all sincerity, that should work. I shall still say, Long Live Free Speech. The balls now in your court!

Where on my comment did I say I felt brought down ??? I said that you have had previously been bringing people down on other stories. Strange how you're name appears a lot and I don't comment on that many stories. Hopefully he will end up in prison cause that's what he deserves, though it will be us tax payers that pay for him to be there mmm

Pauline McEwan wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
He, the thief hasn't quite got away with it. He could still end up behind bars because he has a suspended prison sentence, is tagged, on a curfew and will have to do some unpaid menial tasks for a set number of hours. The issues that I have commented on is that who will supervise him, have they enough staff to do this and do they have sufficient funds to do it successfully. It is clear that you have an issue with me, the remedy is quite simple Pauline McEwan, change the way you feel or think and be more self confident and don't blame me as I can't prevent you from choosing to feel brought down. Now, in my opinion and in all sincerity, that should work. I shall still say, Long Live Free Speech. The balls now in your court!

Where on my comment did I say I felt brought down ??? I said that you have had previously been bringing people down on other stories. Strange how you're name appears a lot and I don't comment on that many stories. Hopefully he will end up in prison cause that's what he deserves, though it will be us tax payers that pay for him to be there mmm

If "they" then feel brought down by my comments than let them state their own case. I will in al probability offer them similar advice. I would also like to make it clear that I have experienced the trauma of house burglaries at two separate homes. This has served to partly form my opinion on this issue. Prison sentences do not always work. In fact it can in my considered opinion make thing worse because they can become finishing schools or places for further education in the devious arts of the reattributes of our culture. I am not ignorant to the Psychology behind the cause and effect of such obnoxious behaviour and I am familiar with such case studies. It is such a complex issue and I know that I don't have all the answers. I have a lot of questions like you do.

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

Pauline McEwan wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote: He, the thief hasn't quite got away with it. He could still end up behind bars because he has a suspended prison sentence, is tagged, on a curfew and will have to do some unpaid menial tasks for a set number of hours. The issues that I have commented on is that who will supervise him, have they enough staff to do this and do they have sufficient funds to do it successfully. It is clear that you have an issue with me, the remedy is quite simple Pauline McEwan, change the way you feel or think and be more self confident and don't blame me as I can't prevent you from choosing to feel brought down. Now, in my opinion and in all sincerity, that should work. I shall still say, Long Live Free Speech. The balls now in your court!

Where on my comment did I say I felt brought down ??? I said that you have had previously been bringing people down on other stories. Strange how you're name appears a lot and I don't comment on that many stories. Hopefully he will end up in prison cause that's what he deserves, though it will be us tax payers that pay for him to be there mmm

If "they" then feel brought down by my comments than let them state their own case. I will in al probability offer them similar advice. I would also like to make it clear that I have experienced the trauma of house burglaries at two separate homes. This has served to partly form my opinion on this issue. Prison sentences do not always work. In fact it can in my considered opinion make thing worse because they can become finishing schools or places for further education in the devious arts of the reattributes of our culture. I am not ignorant to the Psychology behind the cause and effect of such obnoxious behaviour and I am familiar with such case studies. It is such a complex issue and I know that I don't have all the answers. I have a lot of questions like you do.

Fair enough I appreciate your comments

Pauline McEwan wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

Pauline McEwan wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote: He, the thief hasn't quite got away with it. He could still end up behind bars because he has a suspended prison sentence, is tagged, on a curfew and will have to do some unpaid menial tasks for a set number of hours. The issues that I have commented on is that who will supervise him, have they enough staff to do this and do they have sufficient funds to do it successfully. It is clear that you have an issue with me, the remedy is quite simple Pauline McEwan, change the way you feel or think and be more self confident and don't blame me as I can't prevent you from choosing to feel brought down. Now, in my opinion and in all sincerity, that should work. I shall still say, Long Live Free Speech. The balls now in your court!

Where on my comment did I say I felt brought down ??? I said that you have had previously been bringing people down on other stories. Strange how you're name appears a lot and I don't comment on that many stories. Hopefully he will end up in prison cause that's what he deserves, though it will be us tax payers that pay for him to be there mmm

If "they" then feel brought down by my comments than let them state their own case. I will in al probability offer them similar advice. I would also like to make it clear that I have experienced the trauma of house burglaries at two separate homes. This has served to partly form my opinion on this issue. Prison sentences do not always work. In fact it can in my considered opinion make thing worse because they can become finishing schools or places for further education in the devious arts of the reattributes of our culture. I am not ignorant to the Psychology behind the cause and effect of such obnoxious behaviour and I am familiar with such case studies. It is such a complex issue and I know that I don't have all the answers. I have a lot of questions like you do.

Fair enough I appreciate your comments

Pauline, I appreciate yours also, and thank you. I will reflect on the comments that you have expressed.

Having been a victim of this career criminal who has appeared regularly over the last 25 years in the Guardian, the sentance is a joke.
The Recorder needs to relieved of his duties for failing to prtect the public. The previous 40 month sentance was never going to be long enough, as a criminal only serves about a third of the time.
This low-life should have been sent down for 10 years or more to get the message through, not a mere slap on the wrist.
Absolutely disgusted !

Doing his best to get a job??? Who is going to give him a job? The answer IMO has been a recent debate and that is a Super Prison that can hold more prisoners...only problem is nobody wants one building unless it's "not on my doorstep"
So looks like the best sentence is electronic tagging and unpaid work hours is the best/worse punishment.

Super Prisons that house super burglars with (21) super offences are fine but nobody wants them in their back yards.
Last weeks guardian proves that.
Maybe we could turn the isle of wight into a super alcatraz.

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Perhaps you might prefer that convicted criminals are housed on ships anchored on the Irish sea. Perhaps it may be preferred to have them housed in the now derelict mines in the area. Perhaps some commentators would like persistent offenders who show no sign of changing, be shot or rather executed at the Appleton Shooting Range. I am not advocating any of these but I think that some people might prefer them in preference to the current, "system".

Can we sign up for this new regime?.
Maybe the deterrent this country needs!!!!!

JMW111170 wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Perhaps you might prefer that convicted criminals are housed on ships anchored on the Irish sea. Perhaps it may be preferred to have them housed in the now derelict mines in the area. Perhaps some commentators would like persistent offenders who show no sign of changing, be shot or rather executed at the Appleton Shooting Range. I am not advocating any of these but I think that some people might prefer them in preference to the current, "system".

Can we sign up for this new regime?.
Maybe the deterrent this country needs!!!!!

These have all been tried in the past and for some reason or other they have been declared inappropriate, unethical or have no effect on the levels of crime in our communities. Do I note a modicum of sarcasm or do you really advocate returning to this type of penal servitude or punishment?

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

JMW111170 wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Perhaps you might prefer that convicted criminals are housed on ships anchored on the Irish sea. Perhaps it may be preferred to have them housed in the now derelict mines in the area. Perhaps some commentators would like persistent offenders who show no sign of changing, be shot or rather executed at the Appleton Shooting Range. I am not advocating any of these but I think that some people might prefer them in preference to the current, "system".

Can we sign up for this new regime?.
Maybe the deterrent this country needs!!!!!

These have all been tried in the past and for some reason or other they have been declared inappropriate, unethical or have no effect on the levels of crime in our communities. Do I note a modicum of sarcasm or do you really advocate returning to this type of penal servitude or punishment?

Ok,didn't really want to get into a big discussion about this but IMO the system we use in this country favourers the criminal. Rehabilitation,secon
d chances all at the cost of the likes of me and all the other victims, the person in question is obviously an habitual criminal so knows the risks. The risk of being arrested and sent to prison is minimal so they continue to carry out the destruction of inocent people's lives. And yes it was a hint of sarcasm but maybe we should look into other deterrents and prevent 21 crimes escalating into 22-23-24!!!!!!

What happened to three strikes and your out. ??.

JMW111170 wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

JMW111170 wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Perhaps you might prefer that convicted criminals are housed on ships anchored on the Irish sea. Perhaps it may be preferred to have them housed in the now derelict mines in the area. Perhaps some commentators would like persistent offenders who show no sign of changing, be shot or rather executed at the Appleton Shooting Range. I am not advocating any of these but I think that some people might prefer them in preference to the current, "system".

Can we sign up for this new regime?.
Maybe the deterrent this country needs!!!!!

These have all been tried in the past and for some reason or other they have been declared inappropriate, unethical or have no effect on the levels of crime in our communities. Do I note a modicum of sarcasm or do you really advocate returning to this type of penal servitude or punishment?

Ok,didn't really want to get into a big discussion about this but IMO the system we use in this country favourers the criminal. Rehabilitation,secon

d chances all at the cost of the likes of me and all the other victims, the person in question is obviously an habitual criminal so knows the risks. The risk of being arrested and sent to prison is minimal so they continue to carry out the destruction of inocent people's lives. And yes it was a hint of sarcasm but maybe we should look into other deterrents and prevent 21 crimes escalating into 22-23-24!!!!!!

I agree with the majority of you comment. I notice that whatever "system" that is used never guarantees the desired result. With perhaps that of execution by what ever means. However this can be flawed also as demonstrated on a recently repeated Trevor McDonald Documentary about USAs Death Row. So therefor we are left in a dilemma as far as any affective system for dealing with crime. Prisons are full and some are overflowing, but is it working for any but a few who are able and willing to be supported through necessary change. I really don;t know what the answer is.

I was at court to see this career criminal sentenced last time around and watched him smile and wave to his family as he was sent down for 40 months. For clarity, his 20th conviction was based on pleading guilty to about 20+ unsolved burglary offences, which allowed him to wipe his 'slate' clean.He should have gone down this time for at least 10 years to get the message through.

I wonder if the judge will let this idiot valet HIS car.....then bid him a fond farewell as he razzes down the street in the car he just stole from him. This comes as no surprise. Scum rule, general public lose. Every time. Hey everybody, let's not bother going to work anymore and just go out stealing stuff. Why didn't I think of it before? Oh that's right, because I've got a brain and I choose to use it.