Traveller funeral to come through town (From Warrington Guardian)

marc81 wrote:
I've nothing against a big send off, but i wonder who foots the bill for the road closures and diversions etc?....

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

marc81 wrote:
I've nothing against a big send off, but i wonder who foots the bill for the road closures and diversions etc?....

I suggest that here is no bill as there is no additional cost, just the police doing their job protecting the public order.

JoeyLad wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

marc81 wrote:
I've nothing against a big send off, but i wonder who foots the bill for the road closures and diversions etc?....

I suggest that here is no bill as there is no additional cost, just the police doing their job protecting the public order.

Well they should foot the bill themselves.. They should have a bit of dignity and go straight to the crematorium or grave without the fuss like most other people do. Tossers!!

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

marc81 wrote: I've nothing against a big send off, but i wonder who foots the bill for the road closures and diversions etc?....

I suggest that here is no bill as there is no additional cost, just the police doing their job protecting the public order.

gerrumonside wrote:
why are pubs "told" to close I thought this was a responsible group of citizens sending off one of their own with dignity...what did you say on the last traveller story SAC ...?? "I personally do not see that there is a problem with travellers policing their own kind" ............


yet it would seem they arent responsible enough to police their own funeral arrangements without the need for local businesses to have to shut down costing them financial hardship they could do without, just because the travellers cant be trusted to have a drink in peace like the rest of us do in these circumstances.

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
I think that this family have taken the responsible action of informing the police of their plans including the anticipated amount of friends and relatives that will be travelling together to the funeral service and to the committal in plenty of time. It will be the police that are insisting on the escort for the funeral cortege, the same process that requires the same attention for those who organise large demonstrations, processions and military paraded in our beloved Warrington. A last point, we will not be aware of the facts concerning who pays their taxes and the cleanliness of their domestic abode and surrounding areas, likewise we wouldn't know your private & confidential business or your personal habits!

ant -x wrote:
What a total joke our council is lettering these jokers through our streets and even closing the roads off for them.

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

ant -x wrote: What a total joke our council is lettering these jokers through our streets and even closing the roads off for them.

So that statement goes for all funerals then. I can assure you that funerals for loved ones and our associates is no joke to me or the council. People who are bereaved are treated with respect irrespective of any prejudice.

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
I think that this family have taken the responsible action of informing the police of their plans including the anticipated amount of friends and relatives that will be travelling together to the funeral service and to the committal in plenty of time. It will be the police that are insisting on the escort for the funeral cortege, the same process that requires the same attention for those who organise large demonstrations, processions and military paraded in our beloved Warrington. A last point, we will not be aware of the facts concerning who pays their taxes and the cleanliness of their domestic abode and surrounding areas, likewise we wouldn't know your private & confidential business or your personal habits!

Pauline McEwan wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
I think that this family have taken the responsible action of informing the police of their plans including the anticipated amount of friends and relatives that will be travelling together to the funeral service and to the committal in plenty of time. It will be the police that are insisting on the escort for the funeral cortege, the same process that requires the same attention for those who organise large demonstrations, processions and military paraded in our beloved Warrington. A last point, we will not be aware of the facts concerning who pays their taxes and the cleanliness of their domestic abode and surrounding areas, likewise we wouldn't know your private & confidential business or your personal habits!

They camp up near us and when they leave there is a complete mess that us tax paying people have to pay for to get the council to clean it up, so don't even go there. I live in a house, put my bins out, never fly tip and where did this come down to personal habits, it's the mess not personal habits.

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
I do believe that a section of the Traveller Community do police them selves adequately and without the notice of other, "locals". Organisations such as The National Showman's Guild and the Gypsy Council of Great Britain, having said that there is clearly a group of caravan dwellers that are itinerant self employed workers and a group of "New Age Travellers that do incessantly cause problems similar to those house dwellers that live in the so called areas of deprivation or the sink spot areas of Warrington.

It is irrelevant in my opinion to the discussion to have included my profession or legal status.

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
It is my opinion that you have so obviously not understood exactly what I have written. I was merely clarifying some of the generalisations you mentioned in your comments. I made no reference to Appleton Thorn in my previous comments. I merely compare the traveller group that you have encountered with some house dwellers in specific areas of depravation in Warrington.

smallscousefox wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
It is my opinion that you have so obviously not understood exactly what I have written. I was merely clarifying some of the generalisations you mentioned in your comments. I made no reference to Appleton Thorn in my previous comments. I merely compare the traveller group that you have encountered with some house dwellers in specific areas of depravation in Warrington.

Au contraire SAC! I understand perfectly what you have written (but there's that patronising tone again that you just don't seem to be able to help!)
And speaking of generalisations...yo

u yourself have made the biggest sweeping one with your 'areas of deprivation/sink areas'comment in your previous post!
I was merely pointing out that these individuals don't just set up camp in 'deprived' areas,but also in the more affluent districts too.
They are not fussy about where they leave their filth behind as they know it will all be cleared up with no expense to themselves as always.
And you have the nerve to wonder why decent people don't warm to them or share your apparent love of them!!!!
You need a reality check hun!

pognoogle wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington, I don't think you realise how argumentative and condescending you come across as. Chill out and let people have an opinion without reiterating, asserting or merely stating anything. (No need to reply - I'm not really a***d).

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:

pognoogle wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington, I don't think you realise how argumentative and condescending you come across as. Chill out and let people have an opinion without reiterating, asserting or merely stating anything. (No need to reply - I'm not really a***d).

Argumentative yes, condescending, no!

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
I do believe that a section of the Traveller Community do police them selves adequately and without the notice of other, "locals". Organisations such as The National Showman's Guild and the Gypsy Council of Great Britain, having said that there is clearly a group of caravan dwellers that are itinerant self employed workers and a group of "New Age Travellers that do incessantly cause problems similar to those house dwellers that live in the so called areas of deprivation or the sink spot areas of Warrington. It is irrelevant in my opinion to the discussion to have included my profession or legal status.

gerrumonside wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
I do believe that a section of the Traveller Community do police them selves adequately and without the notice of other, "locals". Organisations such as The National Showman's Guild and the Gypsy Council of Great Britain, having said that there is clearly a group of caravan dwellers that are itinerant self employed workers and a group of "New Age Travellers that do incessantly cause problems similar to those house dwellers that live in the so called areas of deprivation or the sink spot areas of Warrington. It is irrelevant in my opinion to the discussion to have included my profession or legal status.

I never asked you to divulge your profession or anything else...why you thought I had asked you to do that to add weight to the discussion only you will know....

I wanted you to be aware you may have made assumptions yourself by stating you "think the family have done the right thing by informing the authorities." nowhere in the piece is that bit of information mentioned. its my assumption that you have made it up or are indeed aware that it is fact due to your profession. just say you know it as fact I'm prepared to believe that.

and then later on down the Line you say "for all we know the travellers may have paid for the police escort" again For all we know the moon is full of little green men living in cheese huts.its an assumption which you are quick to jump on everyone else making....

maybe you should practice what you preach and stick to facts....may I quote you:

"This is just a thoughtful suggestion, as it would save any speculation and assumption on your part."

gerrumonside wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
I do believe that a section of the Traveller Community do police them selves adequately and without the notice of other, "locals". Organisations such as The National Showman's Guild and the Gypsy Council of Great Britain, having said that there is clearly a group of caravan dwellers that are itinerant self employed workers and a group of "New Age Travellers that do incessantly cause problems similar to those house dwellers that live in the so called areas of deprivation or the sink spot areas of Warrington. It is irrelevant in my opinion to the discussion to have included my profession or legal status.

I never asked you to divulge your profession or anything else...why you thought I had asked you to do that to add weight to the discussion only you will know....

I wanted you to be aware you may have made assumptions yourself by stating you "think the family have done the right thing by informing the authorities." nowhere in the piece is that bit of information mentioned. its my assumption that you have made it up or are indeed aware that it is fact due to your profession. just say you know it as fact I'm prepared to believe that.

and then later on down the Line you say "for all we know the travellers may have paid for the police escort" again For all we know the moon is full of little green men living in cheese huts.its an assumption which you are quick to jump on everyone else making....

maybe you should practice what you preach and stick to facts....may I quote you:

"This is just a thoughtful suggestion, as it would save any speculation and assumption on your part."

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
If any commentators are in any way concerned about the issues caused by anyone whose behaviour does not fit community norms then I would not disagree with the reporting of it to the appropriate local or statutory authorities. Some of the commentators might specifically need to contact the Tax Office, in Barbould Street, Warrington with regard to the non payment of tax that they have personally witnessed.

Nick Tessla wrote:

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
If any commentators are in any way concerned about the issues caused by anyone whose behaviour does not fit community norms then I would not disagree with the reporting of it to the appropriate local or statutory authorities. Some of the commentators might specifically need to contact the Tax Office, in Barbould Street, Warrington with regard to the non payment of tax that they have personally witnessed.

The only problem with "reporting it to the appropriate local or statutory authorities" is when those authorities- in this case the local Police and Warrington Council, are not just aware of those issues, not just negligent in their duties in dealing with the behaviour but actually aid and abet it.

tarasmum wrote:
All of you criticising SAC are wasting your time ! I know from other posts that he is so up his own a*** and so **** self righteous that he will NEVER concede !!!!

I know from past experience that travellers are a pain and flout the law at every opportunity, and quite frankly I have no time for them at all.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it SAC !!!!

By the way, I won't be back to read your self righteous comments ......