Warrington Councillors approve fortnightly black bin collections

Warrington Councillors approve fortnightly black bin collections

Warrington Councillors approve fortnightly black bin collections

First published in News

RECYCLING more will become the New Year resolution for households across the borough as rubbish collections become fortnightly.


Councillors approved plans to move to an alternative weekly waste collection which will see black bins collected one week and blue bins another week.


Signalling the change Clr David Keane (LAB - Penketh and Cuerdley), executive board member for environment and public protection, said: “This is something two thirds of councils already do. Perhaps we have been a bit remiss not joining on this one earlier.


“More than 2,000 tonnes of waste would be diverted into recycling bins. People are pushed to take more waste from their black bin and put it in their blue bin. It changes residents attitudes to recycling.”


He told an executive board meeting on Monday the changes would not result in compulsory redundancies for front line staff and instead the council would not rely on agency staff as much.


And Clr Keane said Eric Pickles scheme to offer grants to councils to keep weekly collections was not viable because funding was for three years but councils had to keep running weekly collections for five years - losing out on annual savings of an estimated £900,000 a year.


The council will now seek the public’s views on how to bring in the changes.


Clr Keane added: “There will be some demand for second bins, we are prepared to consider these applications but they may be subject to waste mini audits.”
 

Council leader Clr Terry O’Neill added: “We are trying to encourage more people to recycle and compost. I’m sure the majority of people understand, most people’s black bins aren’t full enough to put out every week.


“We have a waste strategy in place and we can confidently convince our residents to do this.”


Clr Ian Marks, leader of the Lib Dem Group on the council said he could understand the change to save money.


But he criticised how Labour had gone about it: “They appear to be imposing the change on the public without proper consultation. Their questionnaire does little more than ask people what problems they would have. This is typical Labour arrogance.


“They need to sell the scheme to those areas where there are much lower levels of recycling.”
 

Clr Marks also called on Labour to raise its ambitions on recycling rates to more than the 55 per cent aim for 2020 from 43 per cent now.


A further report to the executive board on the changes will be heard in February.

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10:27am Tue 18 Dec 12

gerrumonside says...

How many redundancies......?

Ohh and I cant wait for one of those warm Summers with toddlers nappies and the Cat litter contents left in a hot black bin for a month.

but I suppose if WE dont like WE should then have to Jolly well make a trip to the local refuse centre and drop the bags off ourselves, thereby making savings for the councill but increasing OUR OWN costs and increasing our Carbon footprint....

I appreciate this is the Governments idea being forced on Councils up and down the country but for a large number of Families it's not the worlds greatest idea is it?
How many redundancies......? Ohh and I cant wait for one of those warm Summers with toddlers nappies and the Cat litter contents left in a hot black bin for a month. but I suppose if WE dont like WE should then have to Jolly well make a trip to the local refuse centre and drop the bags off ourselves, thereby making savings for the councill but increasing OUR OWN costs and increasing our Carbon footprint.... I appreciate this is the Governments idea being forced on Councils up and down the country but for a large number of Families it's not the worlds greatest idea is it? gerrumonside
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10:59am Tue 18 Dec 12

Nick Tessla says...

gerrumonside wrote:
How many redundancies......? Ohh and I cant wait for one of those warm Summers with toddlers nappies and the Cat litter contents left in a hot black bin for a month. but I suppose if WE dont like WE should then have to Jolly well make a trip to the local refuse centre and drop the bags off ourselves, thereby making savings for the councill but increasing OUR OWN costs and increasing our Carbon footprint.... I appreciate this is the Governments idea being forced on Councils up and down the country but for a large number of Families it's not the worlds greatest idea is it?
Where do you get a month from.


An idea being forced on councils by the government? I seem to recall money being offered to local councils to keep the weekly collection and tory minister Eric Pickles describing the weekly collection as a right.


This is the Labour council's decision and , much as I hate to say it, I think it is the right one.
[quote][p][bold]gerrumonside[/bold] wrote: How many redundancies......? Ohh and I cant wait for one of those warm Summers with toddlers nappies and the Cat litter contents left in a hot black bin for a month. but I suppose if WE dont like WE should then have to Jolly well make a trip to the local refuse centre and drop the bags off ourselves, thereby making savings for the councill but increasing OUR OWN costs and increasing our Carbon footprint.... I appreciate this is the Governments idea being forced on Councils up and down the country but for a large number of Families it's not the worlds greatest idea is it?[/p][/quote]Where do you get a month from. An idea being forced on councils by the government? I seem to recall money being offered to local councils to keep the weekly collection and tory minister Eric Pickles describing the weekly collection as a right. This is the Labour council's decision and , much as I hate to say it, I think it is the right one. Nick Tessla
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11:39am Tue 18 Dec 12

ChristoB says...

The Labour party clearly want to make life as uncomfortable as they can for the Conservatives and this is a part of it. I guess thats the dirty game thats politics but it doesn't help us the public one bit.
Having said that since the blue bins were introduced there has been very little waste in our black bin. We have a compost bin and most of the rest of the waste goes in the blue bin which is almost full after two weeks. It won't cause us any great problem.
The Labour party clearly want to make life as uncomfortable as they can for the Conservatives and this is a part of it. I guess thats the dirty game thats politics but it doesn't help us the public one bit. Having said that since the blue bins were introduced there has been very little waste in our black bin. We have a compost bin and most of the rest of the waste goes in the blue bin which is almost full after two weeks. It won't cause us any great problem. ChristoB
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1:02pm Tue 18 Dec 12

HappyMisery says...

So if they're doing 50% of the collections, do we get a 50% cut in council tax? No. Typical of the council to make cuts which degrade the standard of living for anyone in the area. Weekly collections were introduced for hygiene purposes. The money saved from bin collections will need to be spent exterminating vermin and cleaning up the excess rubbish which will be left in the streets. False economy. Want to save £1 million a year? Stop expenses and cut the number of executives.
So if they're doing 50% of the collections, do we get a 50% cut in council tax? No. Typical of the council to make cuts which degrade the standard of living for anyone in the area. Weekly collections were introduced for hygiene purposes. The money saved from bin collections will need to be spent exterminating vermin and cleaning up the excess rubbish which will be left in the streets. False economy. Want to save £1 million a year? Stop expenses and cut the number of executives. HappyMisery
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1:12pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Guptahrinho says...

I have been saying for years now that the blue bins should be collected weekly and the black bins fortnightly, not a great deal goes in my black bin, however my blue bin is always overloaded and lots of excess recycables end up in the black bin then the landfill its a shame. That just tells me that the council is not overly bothered about recycling
I have been saying for years now that the blue bins should be collected weekly and the black bins fortnightly, not a great deal goes in my black bin, however my blue bin is always overloaded and lots of excess recycables end up in the black bin then the landfill its a shame. That just tells me that the council is not overly bothered about recycling Guptahrinho
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4:34pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Geoff Settle says...

Nick Tessla wrote:
gerrumonside wrote:
How many redundancies......? Ohh and I cant wait for one of those warm Summers with toddlers nappies and the Cat litter contents left in a hot black bin for a month. but I suppose if WE dont like WE should then have to Jolly well make a trip to the local refuse centre and drop the bags off ourselves, thereby making savings for the councill but increasing OUR OWN costs and increasing our Carbon footprint.... I appreciate this is the Governments idea being forced on Councils up and down the country but for a large number of Families it's not the worlds greatest idea is it?
Where do you get a month from.


An idea being forced on councils by the government? I seem to recall money being offered to local councils to keep the weekly collection and tory minister Eric Pickles describing the weekly collection as a right.


This is the Labour council's decision and , much as I hate to say it, I think it is the right one.
I agree with Nick and in my opinion a lot of hard work has gone into this decision. Such things as negotiating new recycling contracts, education & awareness campaigns about recycling and use of blue bins and as far as I know it has nothing to do with Mr Pickles.
Getting the most out of the recycling blue bin is one of the key aims and as people have said above this has reduced the amount that people put in their black bins.
A big effort by the waste management team, over many months, has gone into making everyone aware as to what can go into a blue bin. Areas that had poor usage of blue bins have been targetted and there has been a lot of success. In addition how things can be crushed/made smaller like plastic bottles, boxes and tins etc. has been highlighted so that you can improve way you fill the blue bin and therefore stretch the length of time the blue bin takes to fill up.
If stuff is going in a black bin that may decompose etc. then it needs to be wrapped appropriately so that it lasts for at least a fortnight and not forgetting that the lid should be firmly closed.
Yes there will be people who may struggle but I am sure that with help and tips they can adapt to the proposals.
[quote][p][bold]Nick Tessla[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]gerrumonside[/bold] wrote: How many redundancies......? Ohh and I cant wait for one of those warm Summers with toddlers nappies and the Cat litter contents left in a hot black bin for a month. but I suppose if WE dont like WE should then have to Jolly well make a trip to the local refuse centre and drop the bags off ourselves, thereby making savings for the councill but increasing OUR OWN costs and increasing our Carbon footprint.... I appreciate this is the Governments idea being forced on Councils up and down the country but for a large number of Families it's not the worlds greatest idea is it?[/p][/quote]Where do you get a month from. An idea being forced on councils by the government? I seem to recall money being offered to local councils to keep the weekly collection and tory minister Eric Pickles describing the weekly collection as a right. This is the Labour council's decision and , much as I hate to say it, I think it is the right one.[/p][/quote]I agree with Nick and in my opinion a lot of hard work has gone into this decision. Such things as negotiating new recycling contracts, education & awareness campaigns about recycling and use of blue bins and as far as I know it has nothing to do with Mr Pickles. Getting the most out of the recycling blue bin is one of the key aims and as people have said above this has reduced the amount that people put in their black bins. A big effort by the waste management team, over many months, has gone into making everyone aware as to what can go into a blue bin. Areas that had poor usage of blue bins have been targetted and there has been a lot of success. In addition how things can be crushed/made smaller like plastic bottles, boxes and tins etc. has been highlighted so that you can improve way you fill the blue bin and therefore stretch the length of time the blue bin takes to fill up. If stuff is going in a black bin that may decompose etc. then it needs to be wrapped appropriately so that it lasts for at least a fortnight and not forgetting that the lid should be firmly closed. Yes there will be people who may struggle but I am sure that with help and tips they can adapt to the proposals. Geoff Settle
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4:54pm Tue 18 Dec 12

gerrumonside says...

Geoff thats a lovely notion that a lot of hard work has gone into the decision...but sadly its not the truth.

You must know that central government bodies have been putting pressure on Councils to make cuts on bin collections. a Simple Google will reveal councils up and down the Country reeling out the very same "saving one million pounds" line...

councils which failed to show that they had considered fortnightly schemes would be given poor inspection reports. and the Audit commission can refuse to sign off a council’s finances if it is not abiding by these directives.



Only GupthaRhino can see the sense and thats decrease the expensive black bin frequency but increase the Blue Recycle bin frequency.

and again How many Redundancies anyone...?
Geoff thats a lovely notion that a lot of hard work has gone into the decision...but sadly its not the truth. You must know that central government bodies have been putting pressure on Councils to make cuts on bin collections. a Simple Google will reveal councils up and down the Country reeling out the very same "saving one million pounds" line... councils which failed to show that they had considered fortnightly schemes would be given poor inspection reports. and the Audit commission can refuse to sign off a council’s finances if it is not abiding by these directives. Only GupthaRhino can see the sense and thats decrease the expensive black bin frequency but increase the Blue Recycle bin frequency. and again How many Redundancies anyone...? gerrumonside
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4:54pm Tue 18 Dec 12

gerrumonside says...

Geoff thats a lovely notion that a lot of hard work has gone into the decision...but sadly its not the truth.

You must know that central government bodies have been putting pressure on Councils to make cuts on bin collections. a Simple Google will reveal councils up and down the Country reeling out the very same "saving one million pounds" line...

councils which failed to show that they had considered fortnightly schemes would be given poor inspection reports. and the Audit commission can refuse to sign off a council’s finances if it is not abiding by these directives.



Only GupthaRhino can see the sense and thats decrease the expensive black bin frequency but increase the Blue Recycle bin frequency.

and again How many Redundancies anyone...?
Geoff thats a lovely notion that a lot of hard work has gone into the decision...but sadly its not the truth. You must know that central government bodies have been putting pressure on Councils to make cuts on bin collections. a Simple Google will reveal councils up and down the Country reeling out the very same "saving one million pounds" line... councils which failed to show that they had considered fortnightly schemes would be given poor inspection reports. and the Audit commission can refuse to sign off a council’s finances if it is not abiding by these directives. Only GupthaRhino can see the sense and thats decrease the expensive black bin frequency but increase the Blue Recycle bin frequency. and again How many Redundancies anyone...? gerrumonside
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5:25pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Nick Tessla says...

Gerrumonside - the Government has been offering financial incentives to preserve a weekly collection - and as I said Eric Pickles has described the weekly collection as an Englishman's right.( I disagree with him)


As for the Audit Commission, rather than causing problems for councils with a weekly collection , the present Government reversed Audit Commission rules which marked down councils for not adopting fortnightly rubbish collections.


One question to Geoff - why have only one blue bin collection in December? If you want to encourage more people to use their blue bin when fortnightly collections come in this is a bad way to start.
Gerrumonside - the Government has been offering financial incentives to preserve a weekly collection - and as I said Eric Pickles has described the weekly collection as an Englishman's right.( I disagree with him) As for the Audit Commission, rather than causing problems for councils with a weekly collection , the present Government reversed Audit Commission rules which marked down councils for not adopting fortnightly rubbish collections. One question to Geoff - why have only one blue bin collection in December? If you want to encourage more people to use their blue bin when fortnightly collections come in this is a bad way to start. Nick Tessla
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6:04pm Tue 18 Dec 12

moreconfused says...

we need weekly blue bin collections instead! as above poster says ours is full in a week and we have to take to the recycling or put in the black bin. Black bin is almost empty or could be if this was the case.
we need weekly blue bin collections instead! as above poster says ours is full in a week and we have to take to the recycling or put in the black bin. Black bin is almost empty or could be if this was the case. moreconfused
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6:16pm Tue 18 Dec 12

old-codger says...

Question for Geoff Settle,

Are we going to get bigger bins so as to get through a fortnightly collection, We have recyle bins for glass, tins, paper and plastic bottles, shoe,s and leather products but a bigger black bin will be needed to last two weeks...
.
Question for Geoff Settle, Are we going to get bigger bins so as to get through a fortnightly collection, We have recyle bins for glass, tins, paper and plastic bottles, shoe,s and leather products but a bigger black bin will be needed to last two weeks... . old-codger
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7:51pm Tue 18 Dec 12

aqadeer says...

I don't really mind this provided that they accept the occassional black bin bag alongside the bin.

We recycle and our blue bin is usually full to the brim but a fortnightly collection will mean our black bin is not big enough for the household waste we generate.
I don't really mind this provided that they accept the occassional black bin bag alongside the bin. We recycle and our blue bin is usually full to the brim but a fortnightly collection will mean our black bin is not big enough for the household waste we generate. aqadeer
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8:17pm Tue 18 Dec 12

sankeymum says...

There are so many people generalising about people wasting space in blue bins, not recycling enough...
There are still many larger families who can fill a black bin with nappies and pet waste over a fortnight never mind other household rubbish As a family who recycles obsessively, crushes all rubbish etc we still have too much each week for our black bin.
I appreciate we are not the majority having several small children, but there MUST be a compromise for families like mine who don't have transport to use the local refuse centres. We work 3 jobs to pay our taxes including refuse collection.

What would the nice council execs suggest we do ? Will it be possible to purchase an additional or larger bin??
There are so many people generalising about people wasting space in blue bins, not recycling enough... There are still many larger families who can fill a black bin with nappies and pet waste over a fortnight never mind other household rubbish As a family who recycles obsessively, crushes all rubbish etc we still have too much each week for our black bin. I appreciate we are not the majority having several small children, but there MUST be a compromise for families like mine who don't have transport to use the local refuse centres. We work 3 jobs to pay our taxes including refuse collection. What would the nice council execs suggest we do ? Will it be possible to purchase an additional or larger bin?? sankeymum
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8:51pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Geoff Settle says...

As far as I know the bins will remain the same size.
If people are filling their bin in a week then maybe they need to consider what they are throwing away – have they bought too much and end up wasting stuff, was it really needed? What about the products, is the packing too excessive or required at all……..
To answer Nick’s question I don’t know why the schedule is as it is during Christmas for blue bins, mine was collected last Tuesday and won’t be again until 2nd January but as Christmas Day and New Year’s day falls on a Tuesday and the lads deserve a Christmas break then I may have to revisit my blue bin and repack/crush some of the contents.
As far as I know the bins will remain the same size. If people are filling their bin in a week then maybe they need to consider what they are throwing away – have they bought too much and end up wasting stuff, was it really needed? What about the products, is the packing too excessive or required at all…….. To answer Nick’s question I don’t know why the schedule is as it is during Christmas for blue bins, mine was collected last Tuesday and won’t be again until 2nd January but as Christmas Day and New Year’s day falls on a Tuesday and the lads deserve a Christmas break then I may have to revisit my blue bin and repack/crush some of the contents. Geoff Settle
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9:14pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Reader says...

There you go a solution from a councillor with some sense. Stop buying things especially anything that comes in any form of packaging and you wont fill your bins ! Eurika and why on earth did nobody think of that before ?

I thought councils and the government were all trying to encourage us all to shop more though to ease the recession !?!?!

Yeah the refuse lads deserve a Christmas break I couldn't agree more but my blue bin wont be emptied for 3 weeks according to the sticker so that's one heck of a holiday break.

I have no gripe with the bin men though as they are just doing what they are told when they are told. Wonder what they think of it all but then again if none are loosing they jobs they may think its 'cushty' too
There you go a solution from a councillor with some sense. Stop buying things especially anything that comes in any form of packaging and you wont fill your bins ! Eurika and why on earth did nobody think of that before ? I thought councils and the government were all trying to encourage us all to shop more though to ease the recession !?!?! Yeah the refuse lads deserve a Christmas break I couldn't agree more but my blue bin wont be emptied for 3 weeks according to the sticker so that's one heck of a holiday break. I have no gripe with the bin men though as they are just doing what they are told when they are told. Wonder what they think of it all but then again if none are loosing they jobs they may think its 'cushty' too Reader
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10:26pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Casual Postman of Orford says...

A saving of 1 million a year. Roughly that's 7?Steve Broomheads!!!
A saving of 1 million a year. Roughly that's 7?Steve Broomheads!!! Casual Postman of Orford
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11:43pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Knowmenot says...

gerrumonside wrote:
How many redundancies......? Ohh and I cant wait for one of those warm Summers with toddlers nappies and the Cat litter contents left in a hot black bin for a month. but I suppose if WE dont like WE should then have to Jolly well make a trip to the local refuse centre and drop the bags off ourselves, thereby making savings for the councill but increasing OUR OWN costs and increasing our Carbon footprint.... I appreciate this is the Governments idea being forced on Councils up and down the country but for a large number of Families it's not the worlds greatest idea is it?
As for the children - use terry nappies with liners. These can be flushed and the nappies washed.
Cat litter?? I know people are expected to "poop-scoop" but do cats poo indoors? Let them out at night for some fresh air, and to poo!
As for a month waiting for a bin to be collected - you must sleep all day and wake up to wonder what time it is! Sorry you have a 48 hour clock.
[quote][p][bold]gerrumonside[/bold] wrote: How many redundancies......? Ohh and I cant wait for one of those warm Summers with toddlers nappies and the Cat litter contents left in a hot black bin for a month. but I suppose if WE dont like WE should then have to Jolly well make a trip to the local refuse centre and drop the bags off ourselves, thereby making savings for the councill but increasing OUR OWN costs and increasing our Carbon footprint.... I appreciate this is the Governments idea being forced on Councils up and down the country but for a large number of Families it's not the worlds greatest idea is it?[/p][/quote]As for the children - use terry nappies with liners. These can be flushed and the nappies washed. Cat litter?? I know people are expected to "poop-scoop" but do cats poo indoors? Let them out at night for some fresh air, and to poo! As for a month waiting for a bin to be collected - you must sleep all day and wake up to wonder what time it is! Sorry you have a 48 hour clock. Knowmenot
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11:43pm Tue 18 Dec 12

Knowmenot says...

gerrumonside wrote:
How many redundancies......? Ohh and I cant wait for one of those warm Summers with toddlers nappies and the Cat litter contents left in a hot black bin for a month. but I suppose if WE dont like WE should then have to Jolly well make a trip to the local refuse centre and drop the bags off ourselves, thereby making savings for the councill but increasing OUR OWN costs and increasing our Carbon footprint.... I appreciate this is the Governments idea being forced on Councils up and down the country but for a large number of Families it's not the worlds greatest idea is it?
As for the children - use terry nappies with liners. These can be flushed and the nappies washed.
Cat litter?? I know people are expected to "poop-scoop" but do cats poo indoors? Let them out at night for some fresh air, and to poo!
As for a month waiting for a bin to be collected - you must sleep all day and wake up to wonder what time it is! Sorry you have a 48 hour clock.
[quote][p][bold]gerrumonside[/bold] wrote: How many redundancies......? Ohh and I cant wait for one of those warm Summers with toddlers nappies and the Cat litter contents left in a hot black bin for a month. but I suppose if WE dont like WE should then have to Jolly well make a trip to the local refuse centre and drop the bags off ourselves, thereby making savings for the councill but increasing OUR OWN costs and increasing our Carbon footprint.... I appreciate this is the Governments idea being forced on Councils up and down the country but for a large number of Families it's not the worlds greatest idea is it?[/p][/quote]As for the children - use terry nappies with liners. These can be flushed and the nappies washed. Cat litter?? I know people are expected to "poop-scoop" but do cats poo indoors? Let them out at night for some fresh air, and to poo! As for a month waiting for a bin to be collected - you must sleep all day and wake up to wonder what time it is! Sorry you have a 48 hour clock. Knowmenot
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7:54am Wed 19 Dec 12

Nick Tessla says...

Gerrumonside - the council is there to provide services not jobs.


Yes that does mean it should ALSO look for savings at the top ( Broomhead should be got rid of and one of his deputies put in his post while they seek a permanent replacement, saving at least one senior salary during the process. If they work out then appoint them and abolish his/her present post)
Gerrumonside - the council is there to provide services not jobs. Yes that does mean it should ALSO look for savings at the top ( Broomhead should be got rid of and one of his deputies put in his post while they seek a permanent replacement, saving at least one senior salary during the process. If they work out then appoint them and abolish his/her present post) Nick Tessla
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8:12am Wed 19 Dec 12

Nick Tessla says...

old-codger wrote:
Question for Geoff Settle, Are we going to get bigger bins so as to get through a fortnightly collection, We have recyle bins for glass, tins, paper and plastic bottles, shoe,s and leather products but a bigger black bin will be needed to last two weeks... .
If you really are an old codger then you must be aware that the bins are a good deal bigger than they were before the age of wheelie bins.
[quote][p][bold]old-codger[/bold] wrote: Question for Geoff Settle, Are we going to get bigger bins so as to get through a fortnightly collection, We have recyle bins for glass, tins, paper and plastic bottles, shoe,s and leather products but a bigger black bin will be needed to last two weeks... .[/p][/quote]If you really are an old codger then you must be aware that the bins are a good deal bigger than they were before the age of wheelie bins. Nick Tessla
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8:28am Wed 19 Dec 12

nextdoor says...

Bin men have already been laid off as the green bin services have finished. Nice timing, nice Christmas present!
Bin men have already been laid off as the green bin services have finished. Nice timing, nice Christmas present! nextdoor
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9:33am Wed 19 Dec 12

sankeymum says...

So mums of all toddlers.. Knowmenot would suggest we switch all our children from disposable nappies...
(a) a toddler cannot be switched at age 2!.
(b) It is far more expensive in the short term.
(c) In order to have the time to manage this, I would have to reduce my working hours

Secondly - CatLitter - some animals need this because they CANNOT go outside, e.g., animals with health issues, house cats.

Don't be so ridiculous! and talk about something you clearly know nothing about!

As per my previous point, yes, there are many people who do not require a full bin each week, many that can recycle more, but there are also many families who are doing all of the sensible things with recycling, crushing bottles etc and still need a weekly service or larger bin

I have noticed on the councils website that you can purchase an additional blue bin, I will be ordering one today!
So mums of all toddlers.. Knowmenot would suggest we switch all our children from disposable nappies... (a) a toddler cannot be switched at age 2!. (b) It is far more expensive in the short term. (c) In order to have the time to manage this, I would have to reduce my working hours Secondly - CatLitter - some animals need this because they CANNOT go outside, e.g., animals with health issues, house cats. Don't be so ridiculous! and talk about something you clearly know nothing about! As per my previous point, yes, there are many people who do not require a full bin each week, many that can recycle more, but there are also many families who are doing all of the sensible things with recycling, crushing bottles etc and still need a weekly service or larger bin I have noticed on the councils website that you can purchase an additional blue bin, I will be ordering one today! sankeymum
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11:12am Wed 19 Dec 12

cookie1974 says...

sankeymum wrote:
So mums of all toddlers.. Knowmenot would suggest we switch all our children from disposable nappies... (a) a toddler cannot be switched at age 2!. (b) It is far more expensive in the short term. (c) In order to have the time to manage this, I would have to reduce my working hours Secondly - CatLitter - some animals need this because they CANNOT go outside, e.g., animals with health issues, house cats. Don't be so ridiculous! and talk about something you clearly know nothing about! As per my previous point, yes, there are many people who do not require a full bin each week, many that can recycle more, but there are also many families who are doing all of the sensible things with recycling, crushing bottles etc and still need a weekly service or larger bin I have noticed on the councils website that you can purchase an additional blue bin, I will be ordering one today!
So what would you do if Disposable nappies were no longer available? Yes more expensive in the short term but only for the initial layout! To manage this you would need to reduce your working hours??? REALLY???

All valid points made by Knowmenot, but because it is hard work and not convenient people just trash it!
[quote][p][bold]sankeymum[/bold] wrote: So mums of all toddlers.. Knowmenot would suggest we switch all our children from disposable nappies... (a) a toddler cannot be switched at age 2!. (b) It is far more expensive in the short term. (c) In order to have the time to manage this, I would have to reduce my working hours Secondly - CatLitter - some animals need this because they CANNOT go outside, e.g., animals with health issues, house cats. Don't be so ridiculous! and talk about something you clearly know nothing about! As per my previous point, yes, there are many people who do not require a full bin each week, many that can recycle more, but there are also many families who are doing all of the sensible things with recycling, crushing bottles etc and still need a weekly service or larger bin I have noticed on the councils website that you can purchase an additional blue bin, I will be ordering one today![/p][/quote]So what would you do if Disposable nappies were no longer available? Yes more expensive in the short term but only for the initial layout! To manage this you would need to reduce your working hours??? REALLY??? All valid points made by Knowmenot, but because it is hard work and not convenient people just trash it! cookie1974
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11:20am Wed 19 Dec 12

Nick Tessla says...

Geoff Settle wrote:
As far as I know the bins will remain the same size. If people are filling their bin in a week then maybe they need to consider what they are throwing away – have they bought too much and end up wasting stuff, was it really needed? What about the products, is the packing too excessive or required at all…….. To answer Nick’s question I don’t know why the schedule is as it is during Christmas for blue bins, mine was collected last Tuesday and won’t be again until 2nd January but as Christmas Day and New Year’s day falls on a Tuesday and the lads deserve a Christmas break then I may have to revisit my blue bin and repack/crush some of the contents.
Geoff's use of the word "lads" got me thinking - why no binwomen? It's not as if the job is as physically arduous as it used to be in days of yore, with blokes having to lift up bins and carry them on their shoulders.


(I know that in some parts of the country the bin waggons work as a sort of proletarian freemasonry where the jobs are passed down in families - father to son, uncle to nephew etc.)
[quote][p][bold]Geoff Settle[/bold] wrote: As far as I know the bins will remain the same size. If people are filling their bin in a week then maybe they need to consider what they are throwing away – have they bought too much and end up wasting stuff, was it really needed? What about the products, is the packing too excessive or required at all…….. To answer Nick’s question I don’t know why the schedule is as it is during Christmas for blue bins, mine was collected last Tuesday and won’t be again until 2nd January but as Christmas Day and New Year’s day falls on a Tuesday and the lads deserve a Christmas break then I may have to revisit my blue bin and repack/crush some of the contents.[/p][/quote]Geoff's use of the word "lads" got me thinking - why no binwomen? It's not as if the job is as physically arduous as it used to be in days of yore, with blokes having to lift up bins and carry them on their shoulders. (I know that in some parts of the country the bin waggons work as a sort of proletarian freemasonry where the jobs are passed down in families - father to son, uncle to nephew etc.) Nick Tessla
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12:55pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Electric100 says...

If you recycle properly then 2 weekly bin collections are not an issue. If you dont recycle properly then it will be . Simples.

On the occasion that 2 weekly collections are an issue, Whats wrong with taking a binbag to the tip yourself ?

People are lazy thats the real issue.

All this talk of nappies and Cat poo....
If you recycle properly then 2 weekly bin collections are not an issue. If you dont recycle properly then it will be . Simples. On the occasion that 2 weekly collections are an issue, Whats wrong with taking a binbag to the tip yourself ? People are lazy thats the real issue. All this talk of nappies and Cat poo.... Electric100
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12:59pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Geoff Settle says...

Hi Nick - good train of thought (not just thinking outside the ‘box’ but maybe the ‘bin’).
When Phil the Legend visited our ward (on several occasions) to encourage Blue Bin usage at least one of the team was a woman.
There is no reason why the bin collection work can’t be done by woman. Perhaps I should have said lads and lasses. I will ask if there are any.
Hi Nick - good train of thought (not just thinking outside the ‘box’ but maybe the ‘bin’). When Phil the Legend visited our ward (on several occasions) to encourage Blue Bin usage at least one of the team was a woman. There is no reason why the bin collection work can’t be done by woman. Perhaps I should have said lads and lasses. I will ask if there are any. Geoff Settle
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1:15pm Wed 19 Dec 12

sankeymum says...

cookie1974 wrote:
sankeymum wrote:
So mums of all toddlers.. Knowmenot would suggest we switch all our children from disposable nappies... (a) a toddler cannot be switched at age 2!. (b) It is far more expensive in the short term. (c) In order to have the time to manage this, I would have to reduce my working hours Secondly - CatLitter - some animals need this because they CANNOT go outside, e.g., animals with health issues, house cats. Don't be so ridiculous! and talk about something you clearly know nothing about! As per my previous point, yes, there are many people who do not require a full bin each week, many that can recycle more, but there are also many families who are doing all of the sensible things with recycling, crushing bottles etc and still need a weekly service or larger bin I have noticed on the councils website that you can purchase an additional blue bin, I will be ordering one today!
So what would you do if Disposable nappies were no longer available? Yes more expensive in the short term but only for the initial layout! To manage this you would need to reduce your working hours??? REALLY???

All valid points made by Knowmenot, but because it is hard work and not convenient people just trash it!
I give up... Regardless of what comments are made on personal situations, there is always people who make assumptions on other peoples circumstances.

I will not generalise on everybody else like others do, but just state this situation does concern me and how it can be managed for my family.

Hardwork is something that as a full time working mother of three small children I am very familiar with. Increasing domestic pressures from not using disposable nappies is completely unrealistic when balancing work and current domestic tasks is an 18 hour days work already. To manage the dally washing of 3 children's terry towelling nappies is only adding to the pressure for a family already spinning far too many plates in the air each day. I am certain that the majority of working mothers would agree.

for the record - I am a great supporter of environmentally friendly nappies, but with the pressures of modern society and mothers having time restrictions, then convenience can be a necessity. I did actually try them a few years back.

I also use my black bin for animal waste as there are no animal waste bins on the majority of warringtons dog walks, so we always bring it home to dispose of.

Please do not assume that all people who require a full bin's waste are not careful with recycling, waste space in the bins, and are shy of hard work.

There are many families who work harder than most, whilst raising children and at times have to opt for convenience to get all of their daily tasks into the 24 hours each day.

I have said all I will on this matter as there is always someone who will argue, but everyone on here will have different circumstances. I am hopeful that my bin will also be half empty in a few years time!
[quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sankeymum[/bold] wrote: So mums of all toddlers.. Knowmenot would suggest we switch all our children from disposable nappies... (a) a toddler cannot be switched at age 2!. (b) It is far more expensive in the short term. (c) In order to have the time to manage this, I would have to reduce my working hours Secondly - CatLitter - some animals need this because they CANNOT go outside, e.g., animals with health issues, house cats. Don't be so ridiculous! and talk about something you clearly know nothing about! As per my previous point, yes, there are many people who do not require a full bin each week, many that can recycle more, but there are also many families who are doing all of the sensible things with recycling, crushing bottles etc and still need a weekly service or larger bin I have noticed on the councils website that you can purchase an additional blue bin, I will be ordering one today![/p][/quote]So what would you do if Disposable nappies were no longer available? Yes more expensive in the short term but only for the initial layout! To manage this you would need to reduce your working hours??? REALLY??? All valid points made by Knowmenot, but because it is hard work and not convenient people just trash it![/p][/quote]I give up... Regardless of what comments are made on personal situations, there is always people who make assumptions on other peoples circumstances. I will not generalise on everybody else like others do, but just state this situation does concern me and how it can be managed for my family. Hardwork is something that as a full time working mother of three small children I am very familiar with. Increasing domestic pressures from not using disposable nappies is completely unrealistic when balancing work and current domestic tasks is an 18 hour days work already. To manage the dally washing of 3 children's terry towelling nappies is only adding to the pressure for a family already spinning far too many plates in the air each day. I am certain that the majority of working mothers would agree. for the record - I am a great supporter of environmentally friendly nappies, but with the pressures of modern society and mothers having time restrictions, then convenience can be a necessity. I did actually try them a few years back. I also use my black bin for animal waste as there are no animal waste bins on the majority of warringtons dog walks, so we always bring it home to dispose of. Please do not assume that all people who require a full bin's waste are not careful with recycling, waste space in the bins, and are shy of hard work. There are many families who work harder than most, whilst raising children and at times have to opt for convenience to get all of their daily tasks into the 24 hours each day. I have said all I will on this matter as there is always someone who will argue, but everyone on here will have different circumstances. I am hopeful that my bin will also be half empty in a few years time! sankeymum
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1:15pm Wed 19 Dec 12

sankeymum says...

cookie1974 wrote:
sankeymum wrote:
So mums of all toddlers.. Knowmenot would suggest we switch all our children from disposable nappies... (a) a toddler cannot be switched at age 2!. (b) It is far more expensive in the short term. (c) In order to have the time to manage this, I would have to reduce my working hours Secondly - CatLitter - some animals need this because they CANNOT go outside, e.g., animals with health issues, house cats. Don't be so ridiculous! and talk about something you clearly know nothing about! As per my previous point, yes, there are many people who do not require a full bin each week, many that can recycle more, but there are also many families who are doing all of the sensible things with recycling, crushing bottles etc and still need a weekly service or larger bin I have noticed on the councils website that you can purchase an additional blue bin, I will be ordering one today!
So what would you do if Disposable nappies were no longer available? Yes more expensive in the short term but only for the initial layout! To manage this you would need to reduce your working hours??? REALLY???

All valid points made by Knowmenot, but because it is hard work and not convenient people just trash it!
I give up... Regardless of what comments are made on personal situations, there is always people who make assumptions on other peoples circumstances.

I will not generalise on everybody else like others do, but just state this situation does concern me and how it can be managed for my family.

Hardwork is something that as a full time working mother of three small children I am very familiar with. Increasing domestic pressures from not using disposable nappies is completely unrealistic when balancing work and current domestic tasks is an 18 hour days work already. To manage the dally washing of 3 children's terry towelling nappies is only adding to the pressure for a family already spinning far too many plates in the air each day. I am certain that the majority of working mothers would agree.

for the record - I am a great supporter of environmentally friendly nappies, but with the pressures of modern society and mothers having time restrictions, then convenience can be a necessity. I did actually try them a few years back.

I also use my black bin for animal waste as there are no animal waste bins on the majority of warringtons dog walks, so we always bring it home to dispose of.

Please do not assume that all people who require a full bin's waste are not careful with recycling, waste space in the bins, and are shy of hard work.

There are many families who work harder than most, whilst raising children and at times have to opt for convenience to get all of their daily tasks into the 24 hours each day.

I have said all I will on this matter as there is always someone who will argue, but everyone on here will have different circumstances. I am hopeful that my bin will also be half empty in a few years time!
[quote][p][bold]cookie1974[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]sankeymum[/bold] wrote: So mums of all toddlers.. Knowmenot would suggest we switch all our children from disposable nappies... (a) a toddler cannot be switched at age 2!. (b) It is far more expensive in the short term. (c) In order to have the time to manage this, I would have to reduce my working hours Secondly - CatLitter - some animals need this because they CANNOT go outside, e.g., animals with health issues, house cats. Don't be so ridiculous! and talk about something you clearly know nothing about! As per my previous point, yes, there are many people who do not require a full bin each week, many that can recycle more, but there are also many families who are doing all of the sensible things with recycling, crushing bottles etc and still need a weekly service or larger bin I have noticed on the councils website that you can purchase an additional blue bin, I will be ordering one today![/p][/quote]So what would you do if Disposable nappies were no longer available? Yes more expensive in the short term but only for the initial layout! To manage this you would need to reduce your working hours??? REALLY??? All valid points made by Knowmenot, but because it is hard work and not convenient people just trash it![/p][/quote]I give up... Regardless of what comments are made on personal situations, there is always people who make assumptions on other peoples circumstances. I will not generalise on everybody else like others do, but just state this situation does concern me and how it can be managed for my family. Hardwork is something that as a full time working mother of three small children I am very familiar with. Increasing domestic pressures from not using disposable nappies is completely unrealistic when balancing work and current domestic tasks is an 18 hour days work already. To manage the dally washing of 3 children's terry towelling nappies is only adding to the pressure for a family already spinning far too many plates in the air each day. I am certain that the majority of working mothers would agree. for the record - I am a great supporter of environmentally friendly nappies, but with the pressures of modern society and mothers having time restrictions, then convenience can be a necessity. I did actually try them a few years back. I also use my black bin for animal waste as there are no animal waste bins on the majority of warringtons dog walks, so we always bring it home to dispose of. Please do not assume that all people who require a full bin's waste are not careful with recycling, waste space in the bins, and are shy of hard work. There are many families who work harder than most, whilst raising children and at times have to opt for convenience to get all of their daily tasks into the 24 hours each day. I have said all I will on this matter as there is always someone who will argue, but everyone on here will have different circumstances. I am hopeful that my bin will also be half empty in a few years time! sankeymum
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3:38pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Bhindi says...

Just start dumping all your extra rubbish on town hall lawns ! To go with all the bull crap inside it.

Would love to go to a WBC meeting just to see what go on . I think its time that the people that run this show started looking in there own back pockets for cuts .
Just start dumping all your extra rubbish on town hall lawns ! To go with all the bull crap inside it. Would love to go to a WBC meeting just to see what go on . I think its time that the people that run this show started looking in there own back pockets for cuts . Bhindi
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4:17pm Wed 19 Dec 12

yazhoo1 says...

To answer Nick’s question I don’t know why the schedule is as it is during Christmas for blue bins


That's alright Geoff. We wouldn't expect a councillor to know why the council is doing something. Your only running the place after all!

If you don't know why any decisions are being made, what are you there for?
[quote]To answer Nick’s question I don’t know why the schedule is as it is during Christmas for blue bins[/quote] That's alright Geoff. We wouldn't expect a councillor to know why the council is doing something. Your only running the place after all! If you don't know why any decisions are being made, what are you there for? yazhoo1
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5:41pm Wed 19 Dec 12

Geoff Settle says...

I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together - surely you don't expect every councillor to have a say in deciding what bins are collected when do you?
The waste management team manage that process.
I received a copy of the schedule yesterday when it was sent out to all councillors and it looks fine to me. Obviously if it had been a bag of nuts I would have challenged it.
I can see the logic of how it was put together and it appears balanced, even if I do have a long wait until the 2nd January.
I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together - surely you don't expect every councillor to have a say in deciding what bins are collected when do you? The waste management team manage that process. I received a copy of the schedule yesterday when it was sent out to all councillors and it looks fine to me. Obviously if it had been a bag of nuts I would have challenged it. I can see the logic of how it was put together and it appears balanced, even if I do have a long wait until the 2nd January. Geoff Settle
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5:55pm Wed 19 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Why does't Warrington Unitry Council and local Parish Councils use the following advice to reduce their budgets;

Local government minister Brandon Lewis said, "Councillors are volunteers undertaking public service; they are not and should not be employees of the council dependent on the municipal payroll".

“We do not believe that an occupational pension scheme intended for employees, and paid for by taxpayers, is an appropriate vehicle for councillors”

&

"They are not professional, full-time politicians, nor should they be encouraged to become so."

(From the BBC report}
Why does't Warrington Unitry Council and local Parish Councils use the following advice to reduce their budgets; Local government minister Brandon Lewis said, "Councillors are volunteers undertaking public service; they are not and should not be employees of the council dependent on the municipal payroll". “We do not believe that an occupational pension scheme intended for employees, and paid for by taxpayers, is an appropriate vehicle for councillors” & "They are not professional, full-time politicians, nor should they be encouraged to become so." (From the BBC report} SAC_in_Warrington
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9:17pm Wed 19 Dec 12

wires4ever says...

Our black bin is full every week and our blue bin is full every two weeks too so don't know where we're going to put our rubbish.
Our black bin is full every week and our blue bin is full every two weeks too so don't know where we're going to put our rubbish. wires4ever
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9:42pm Wed 19 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

You are not going to have as much rubbish with the economy going the way it is,course because our Politicians set about calling each other, claiming victories against each other and by a matter of course claiming their vastly unnecessary expenses in the whole process!
You are not going to have as much rubbish with the economy going the way it is,course because our Politicians set about calling each other, claiming victories against each other and by a matter of course claiming their vastly unnecessary expenses in the whole process! SAC_in_Warrington
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9:49pm Wed 19 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Bhindi wrote:
Just start dumping all your extra rubbish on town hall lawns ! To go with all the bull crap inside it.

Would love to go to a WBC meeting just to see what go on . I think its time that the people that run this show started looking in there own back pockets for cuts .
Go I dare you. You have now suggested attending meetings, how about doing what you say. There is public access to Warrington Unitary Council meetings. Go on I dare you to turn up!
[quote][p][bold]Bhindi[/bold] wrote: Just start dumping all your extra rubbish on town hall lawns ! To go with all the bull crap inside it. Would love to go to a WBC meeting just to see what go on . I think its time that the people that run this show started looking in there own back pockets for cuts .[/p][/quote]Go I dare you. You have now suggested attending meetings, how about doing what you say. There is public access to Warrington Unitary Council meetings. Go on I dare you to turn up! SAC_in_Warrington
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10:23pm Wed 19 Dec 12

old-codger says...

Nick Tessla says...
If you really are an old codger then you must be aware that the bins are a good deal bigger than they were before the age of wheelie bins,.....

I am, I have had the same black wheelie bin for over 15 years, Some of my neighbours have bigger ones as they have been replaced after the smaller ones vanished with the rubbish into the back of the bin wagon, Mine is a smaller one and wont last two weeks.,..,..........
........
Nick Tessla says... If you really are an old codger then you must be aware that the bins are a good deal bigger than they were before the age of wheelie bins,..... I am, I have had the same black wheelie bin for over 15 years, Some of my neighbours have bigger ones as they have been replaced after the smaller ones vanished with the rubbish into the back of the bin wagon, Mine is a smaller one and wont last two weeks.,..,.......... ........ old-codger
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10:33pm Wed 19 Dec 12

old-codger says...

Knowmenot wont be complaining then when his garden is full of other peoples cat sh*t,
Knowmenot wont be complaining then when his garden is full of other peoples cat sh*t, old-codger
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10:35pm Wed 19 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

I agree with Old-codger; there are at least 2 if not 3 sizes of black bins. I remember the old wall mounted bin-bag holder, also the zinc bins and we even used the night-soil bin system when we only had an outside lavatory; until it was replaced in 1960 with a gleaming white ceramic WC. It wasn't until the 1980s that we got a lavatory inside the house.
I agree with Old-codger; there are at least 2 if not 3 sizes of black bins. I remember the old wall mounted bin-bag holder, also the zinc bins and we even used the night-soil bin system when we only had an outside lavatory; until it was replaced in 1960 with a gleaming white ceramic WC. It wasn't until the 1980s that we got a lavatory inside the house. SAC_in_Warrington
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10:40pm Wed 19 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Geoff Settle wrote:
I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together - surely you don't expect every councillor to have a say in deciding what bins are collected when do you?
The waste management team manage that process.
I received a copy of the schedule yesterday when it was sent out to all councillors and it looks fine to me. Obviously if it had been a bag of nuts I would have challenged it.
I can see the logic of how it was put together and it appears balanced, even if I do have a long wait until the 2nd January.
So you totally disregarded the opinion of your local constituents and voted any way, and perhaps with the other Councillors of your political persuasion, a three line whip, was it?
[quote][p][bold]Geoff Settle[/bold] wrote: I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together - surely you don't expect every councillor to have a say in deciding what bins are collected when do you? The waste management team manage that process. I received a copy of the schedule yesterday when it was sent out to all councillors and it looks fine to me. Obviously if it had been a bag of nuts I would have challenged it. I can see the logic of how it was put together and it appears balanced, even if I do have a long wait until the 2nd January.[/p][/quote]So you totally disregarded the opinion of your local constituents and voted any way, and perhaps with the other Councillors of your political persuasion, a three line whip, was it? SAC_in_Warrington
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11:14pm Wed 19 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

ankeymumI challenge your incongruent statement in regard to terry nappies. I quote your words;

"I am a great supporter of environmentally friendly nappies, but with the pressures of modern society and mothers having time restrictions, then convenience can be a necessity. I did actually try them a few years back.

You have choices and have gone with disposable. The time restrictions appear to be of your own making. You have difficulty planning your home, the children and your work. I make no assumptions about your situation as I have taken what you have said in your extensive comments on this site and reflect them back to you. I am equally sure that you could with the assistance of your family, make those positive environmentally friendly changes to enable your family to reduce the vast amount of rubbish you all seem to accumulate.
ankeymumI challenge your incongruent statement in regard to terry nappies. I quote your words; "I am a great supporter of environmentally friendly nappies, but with the pressures of modern society and mothers having time restrictions, then convenience can be a necessity. I did actually try them a few years back. You have choices and have gone with disposable. The time restrictions appear to be of your own making. You have difficulty planning your home, the children and your work. I make no assumptions about your situation as I have taken what you have said in your extensive comments on this site and reflect them back to you. I am equally sure that you could with the assistance of your family, make those positive environmentally friendly changes to enable your family to reduce the vast amount of rubbish you all seem to accumulate. SAC_in_Warrington
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11:14pm Wed 19 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

ankeymumI challenge your incongruent statement in regard to terry nappies. I quote your words;

"I am a great supporter of environmentally friendly nappies, but with the pressures of modern society and mothers having time restrictions, then convenience can be a necessity. I did actually try them a few years back.

You have choices and have gone with disposable. The time restrictions appear to be of your own making. You have difficulty planning your home, the children and your work. I make no assumptions about your situation as I have taken what you have said in your extensive comments on this site and reflect them back to you. I am equally sure that you could with the assistance of your family, make those positive environmentally friendly changes to enable your family to reduce the vast amount of rubbish you all seem to accumulate.
ankeymumI challenge your incongruent statement in regard to terry nappies. I quote your words; "I am a great supporter of environmentally friendly nappies, but with the pressures of modern society and mothers having time restrictions, then convenience can be a necessity. I did actually try them a few years back. You have choices and have gone with disposable. The time restrictions appear to be of your own making. You have difficulty planning your home, the children and your work. I make no assumptions about your situation as I have taken what you have said in your extensive comments on this site and reflect them back to you. I am equally sure that you could with the assistance of your family, make those positive environmentally friendly changes to enable your family to reduce the vast amount of rubbish you all seem to accumulate. SAC_in_Warrington
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6:00am Thu 20 Dec 12

Geoff Settle says...

SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Geoff Settle wrote:
I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together - surely you don't expect every councillor to have a say in deciding what bins are collected when do you?
The waste management team manage that process.
I received a copy of the schedule yesterday when it was sent out to all councillors and it looks fine to me. Obviously if it had been a bag of nuts I would have challenged it.
I can see the logic of how it was put together and it appears balanced, even if I do have a long wait until the 2nd January.
So you totally disregarded the opinion of your local constituents and voted any way, and perhaps with the other Councillors of your political persuasion, a three line whip, was it?
I don't understand this statement of yours - there was no vote that I am aware of about the festive collection service.
As far as I am aware of only one of my local constituents is posting on this thread unless you would like to out yourself?
My local constituents know how to contact me and do. It has always been standard for a Christmas/New Year to be issued to help people regardless of political persuasion and it's never required any whipping of any sort.
It's non-political and purely functional as I have explained above.
The only time this has changed was when the snow and ice arrived a year or so ago and disrupted the planned service. I went out and delivered leaflets informing local residents about the revised schedule until I fell on the ice and cracked a number of ribs and then I’m afraid I was forced to pack that idea in. So I do try and keep them informed.
[quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Geoff Settle[/bold] wrote: I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together - surely you don't expect every councillor to have a say in deciding what bins are collected when do you? The waste management team manage that process. I received a copy of the schedule yesterday when it was sent out to all councillors and it looks fine to me. Obviously if it had been a bag of nuts I would have challenged it. I can see the logic of how it was put together and it appears balanced, even if I do have a long wait until the 2nd January.[/p][/quote]So you totally disregarded the opinion of your local constituents and voted any way, and perhaps with the other Councillors of your political persuasion, a three line whip, was it?[/p][/quote]I don't understand this statement of yours - there was no vote that I am aware of about the festive collection service. As far as I am aware of only one of my local constituents is posting on this thread unless you would like to out yourself? My local constituents know how to contact me and do. It has always been standard for a Christmas/New Year to be issued to help people regardless of political persuasion and it's never required any whipping of any sort. It's non-political and purely functional as I have explained above. The only time this has changed was when the snow and ice arrived a year or so ago and disrupted the planned service. I went out and delivered leaflets informing local residents about the revised schedule until I fell on the ice and cracked a number of ribs and then I’m afraid I was forced to pack that idea in. So I do try and keep them informed. Geoff Settle
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10:03am Thu 20 Dec 12

Nick Tessla says...

Geoff Settle wrote:
SAC_in_Warrington wrote:
Geoff Settle wrote: I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together - surely you don't expect every councillor to have a say in deciding what bins are collected when do you? The waste management team manage that process. I received a copy of the schedule yesterday when it was sent out to all councillors and it looks fine to me. Obviously if it had been a bag of nuts I would have challenged it. I can see the logic of how it was put together and it appears balanced, even if I do have a long wait until the 2nd January.
So you totally disregarded the opinion of your local constituents and voted any way, and perhaps with the other Councillors of your political persuasion, a three line whip, was it?
I don't understand this statement of yours - there was no vote that I am aware of about the festive collection service. As far as I am aware of only one of my local constituents is posting on this thread unless you would like to out yourself? My local constituents know how to contact me and do. It has always been standard for a Christmas/New Year to be issued to help people regardless of political persuasion and it's never required any whipping of any sort. It's non-political and purely functional as I have explained above. The only time this has changed was when the snow and ice arrived a year or so ago and disrupted the planned service. I went out and delivered leaflets informing local residents about the revised schedule until I fell on the ice and cracked a number of ribs and then I’m afraid I was forced to pack that idea in. So I do try and keep them informed.
To be fair to you Geoff - according to his interview on the other news website Stephen Broomhead wasn't even aware of the suspension of blue bin services , I assume such things as bins are below him as the Mikado of Warrington and may well leave such things as bins to his wife ;-)


With reference to the fortnightly collections, the fact that it will cause some minor inconvenience to a few individuals, many of the whingers will be the ones who never bother to out their blue bins out anyway, is no reason not to go ahead with a move which makes sense on so many levels.


[Good news about the red squirrel)
[quote][p][bold]Geoff Settle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]SAC_in_Warrington[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Geoff Settle[/bold] wrote: I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together - surely you don't expect every councillor to have a say in deciding what bins are collected when do you? The waste management team manage that process. I received a copy of the schedule yesterday when it was sent out to all councillors and it looks fine to me. Obviously if it had been a bag of nuts I would have challenged it. I can see the logic of how it was put together and it appears balanced, even if I do have a long wait until the 2nd January.[/p][/quote]So you totally disregarded the opinion of your local constituents and voted any way, and perhaps with the other Councillors of your political persuasion, a three line whip, was it?[/p][/quote]I don't understand this statement of yours - there was no vote that I am aware of about the festive collection service. As far as I am aware of only one of my local constituents is posting on this thread unless you would like to out yourself? My local constituents know how to contact me and do. It has always been standard for a Christmas/New Year to be issued to help people regardless of political persuasion and it's never required any whipping of any sort. It's non-political and purely functional as I have explained above. The only time this has changed was when the snow and ice arrived a year or so ago and disrupted the planned service. I went out and delivered leaflets informing local residents about the revised schedule until I fell on the ice and cracked a number of ribs and then I’m afraid I was forced to pack that idea in. So I do try and keep them informed.[/p][/quote]To be fair to you Geoff [aren't I always :-) ] - according to his interview on the other news website Stephen Broomhead wasn't even aware of the suspension of blue bin services , I assume such things as bins are below him as the Mikado of Warrington and may well leave such things as bins to his wife ;-) With reference to the fortnightly collections, the fact that it will cause some minor inconvenience to a few individuals, many of the whingers will be the ones who never bother to out their blue bins out anyway, is no reason not to go ahead with a move which makes sense on so many levels. [Good news about the red squirrel) Nick Tessla
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10:44am Thu 20 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

In my recent post I was referring to this quote from the Guardian Article:

"Councillors approved plans to move to an alternative weekly waste collection which will see black bins collected one week and blue bins another week."

Who were these "Councillors", and how was this approved if not by a vote? How was the views of the
electorate taken into consideration?
In my recent post I was referring to this quote from the Guardian Article: "Councillors approved plans to move to an alternative weekly waste collection which will see black bins collected one week and blue bins another week." Who were these "Councillors", and how was this approved if not by a vote? How was the views of the electorate taken into consideration? SAC_in_Warrington
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11:01am Thu 20 Dec 12

yazhoo1 says...

I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together - surely you don't expect every councillor to have a say in deciding what bins are collected when do you?
The waste management team manage that process.


Geoff, yes there IS something wrong with you not knowing. The fact you don't even realise it is a problem just speaks volumes.

We DO expect you to know how and why a schedule was put together. We DO expect you to know what is happening at the council and why decisions are being made... because that is WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN ELECTED FOR.

If you are just sitting back and letting the officers run the Town, like they have always done, then the people of Poulton North should use their votes at the next election to get rid of you. You are a waste of taxpayers money otherwise.

Tell us, Geoff, what input you have had into the decision to move bin collections to a fortnightly service? Have you consulted your constituents on this change? Have you represented their views to the "Councillors" who made this decision?

"I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together" = councillors admit they aren't running the town. Same old story.
[quote]I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together - surely you don't expect every councillor to have a say in deciding what bins are collected when do you? The waste management team manage that process.[/quote] Geoff, yes there IS something wrong with you not knowing. The fact you don't even realise it is a problem just speaks volumes. We DO expect you to know how and why a schedule was put together. We DO expect you to know what is happening at the council and why decisions are being made... because that is WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN ELECTED FOR. If you are just sitting back and letting the officers run the Town, like they have always done, then the people of Poulton North should use their votes at the next election to get rid of you. You are a waste of taxpayers money otherwise. Tell us, Geoff, what input you have had into the decision to move bin collections to a fortnightly service? Have you consulted your constituents on this change? Have you represented their views to the "Councillors" who made this decision? "I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together" = councillors admit they aren't running the town. Same old story. yazhoo1
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1:17pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Billy Lines-Rowlands says...

Hi Yazhoo1 & anyone else I suppose.

This decision was made by the Exec. Board, which all councillors are not members of.

If am to be honest about this issue as a resident of Warrington with a young family, we will find it hard to adjust-unlike more senior or single members of the council who applaud this decision.

When my wife and I go shopping we do not buy anything with excessive pakedging on purpose yet we fill our blue bin and black bin every week (even by folding, crushing and tearing up any recyclable waste).

Also I have not seen anybody with a young family post online saying they agree with this change, why?, because there too busy running their family yet they are the ones who, like my family will have a hard time adjusting.

Recycling is great and so is any attempt to minimise waste-and if this can be done whilst saving money then great... but I hope that enough people who want more recycling options (just like other councils have done) and who will find this transition hard to speak up. In Poulton North we will be speaking to as many people as possible to get their veiws on this and giving sound advice to anyone who again like my family, who will find this cut back difficult. I would urge all residents for or against this change to contact your councillors and let them know what you think as this will be a big change that will affect the housholds of many families accross Warrington.
Billy
Cllr Lines-Rowlands
Poulton North
Hi Yazhoo1 & anyone else I suppose. This decision was made by the Exec. Board, which all councillors are not members of. If am to be honest about this issue as a resident of Warrington with a young family, we will find it hard to adjust-unlike more senior or single members of the council who applaud this decision. When my wife and I go shopping we do not buy anything with excessive pakedging on purpose yet we fill our blue bin and black bin every week (even by folding, crushing and tearing up any recyclable waste). Also I have not seen anybody with a young family post online saying they agree with this change, why?, because there too busy running their family yet they are the ones who, like my family will have a hard time adjusting. Recycling is great and so is any attempt to minimise waste-and if this can be done whilst saving money then great... but I hope that enough people who want more recycling options (just like other councils have done) and who will find this transition hard to speak up. In Poulton North we will be speaking to as many people as possible to get their veiws on this and giving sound advice to anyone who again like my family, who will find this cut back difficult. I would urge all residents for or against this change to contact your councillors and let them know what you think as this will be a big change that will affect the housholds of many families accross Warrington. Billy Cllr Lines-Rowlands Poulton North Billy Lines-Rowlands
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1:35pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Geoff Settle says...

yazhoo1 wrote:
I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together - surely you don't expect every councillor to have a say in deciding what bins are collected when do you?
The waste management team manage that process.


Geoff, yes there IS something wrong with you not knowing. The fact you don't even realise it is a problem just speaks volumes.

We DO expect you to know how and why a schedule was put together. We DO expect you to know what is happening at the council and why decisions are being made... because that is WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN ELECTED FOR.

If you are just sitting back and letting the officers run the Town, like they have always done, then the people of Poulton North should use their votes at the next election to get rid of you. You are a waste of taxpayers money otherwise.

Tell us, Geoff, what input you have had into the decision to move bin collections to a fortnightly service? Have you consulted your constituents on this change? Have you represented their views to the "Councillors" who made this decision?

"I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together" = councillors admit they aren't running the town. Same old story.
Given we are discussing the Christmas schedule - I think you are getting carried away with your assumptions and conclusions about my mandate and responsibilities. I have however been involved in the wider aspects of the new proposals and given input with regard to my constituents.
[quote][p][bold]yazhoo1[/bold] wrote: [quote]I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together - surely you don't expect every councillor to have a say in deciding what bins are collected when do you? The waste management team manage that process.[/quote] Geoff, yes there IS something wrong with you not knowing. The fact you don't even realise it is a problem just speaks volumes. We DO expect you to know how and why a schedule was put together. We DO expect you to know what is happening at the council and why decisions are being made... because that is WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN ELECTED FOR. If you are just sitting back and letting the officers run the Town, like they have always done, then the people of Poulton North should use their votes at the next election to get rid of you. You are a waste of taxpayers money otherwise. Tell us, Geoff, what input you have had into the decision to move bin collections to a fortnightly service? Have you consulted your constituents on this change? Have you represented their views to the "Councillors" who made this decision? "I don't know what's wrong with me not knowing how the schedule is put together" = councillors admit they aren't running the town. Same old story.[/p][/quote]Given we are discussing the Christmas schedule - I think you are getting carried away with your assumptions and conclusions about my mandate and responsibilities. I have however been involved in the wider aspects of the new proposals and given input with regard to my constituents. Geoff Settle
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1:37pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Nick Tessla says...

Afternnon Billy


I am fully in favour of Labour's decision to bring in this change whatever Tory Minister Eric Pickles might have done or said to get councils to preserve the weekly collection, **** him!


However, can you throw some light on who took the idiotic decison to only have one blue bin collection for the whole of December - Geoff seems to be at a loss about where this decision came from and, having seen the interview on Warrington's other news website, it is clear that Steven Broomhead was unaware of it.
Afternnon Billy I am fully in favour of Labour's decision to bring in this change [ that hurt to type :-) ] whatever Tory Minister Eric Pickles might have done or said to get councils to preserve the weekly collection, **** him! However, can you throw some light on who took the idiotic decison to only have one blue bin collection for the whole of December - Geoff seems to be at a loss about where this decision came from and, having seen the interview on Warrington's other news website, it is clear that Steven Broomhead was unaware of it. Nick Tessla
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2:17pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Billy Lines-Rowlands says...

Hi Nick

I can direct you towards the Councillor who is the portfolio holder that this issue would fall under.

Truth is I don't know why the schedule is as it is, if it was up to me there would be a couple of blue bin collections straight after xmas due to extra waste such as wrapping paper and pakedging from presents-thats my personal veiw as I have young kids.

Drop me a quick email because if I name the councillor here it may seem unfair. I promise I wont 'expose' who you really are if I recognise your email address mate.

Billy
Hi Nick I can direct you towards the Councillor who is the portfolio holder that this issue would fall under. Truth is I don't know why the schedule is as it is, if it was up to me there would be a couple of blue bin collections straight after xmas due to extra waste such as wrapping paper and pakedging from presents-thats my personal veiw as I have young kids. Drop me a quick email because if I name the councillor here it may seem unfair. I promise I wont 'expose' who you really are if I recognise your email address mate. Billy Billy Lines-Rowlands
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2:27pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Nick Tessla says...

I don't see anything unfair about naming an individual - he is supposed to be answerable to the electorate (I am not)


Do you not believe in open government?
I don't see anything unfair about naming an individual - he is supposed to be answerable to the electorate (I am not) Do you not believe in open government? Nick Tessla
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2:51pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Billy Lines-Rowlands says...

Hi Nick

I'm not sure what an "open Government" is but it would be unproffesional of me to conduct this any further as far as naming portfolio holders etc online. I can confirm I have emailed the portfolio holder and if you wish to email myself then I can pass it on.

I'm not here to argue Nick, I'm actually trying to clear this up for you as I would any other resident.

If you wish to reply back stating party politics and using your freedom of speech then fine mate, I'm ok with that. But if you wish to email me your concern I will be evern happier. Just please don't argue when I'm actually trying to help you.

Merry Christmas/Seasons Greeting/Happy Holidays

Billy
Hi Nick I'm not sure what an "open Government" is but it would be unproffesional of me to conduct this any further as far as naming portfolio holders etc online. I can confirm I have emailed the portfolio holder and if you wish to email myself then I can pass it on. I'm not here to argue Nick, I'm actually trying to clear this up for you as I would any other resident. If you wish to reply back stating party politics and using your freedom of speech then fine mate, I'm ok with that. But if you wish to email me your concern I will be evern happier. Just please don't argue when I'm actually trying to help you. Merry Christmas/Seasons Greeting/Happy Holidays Billy Billy Lines-Rowlands
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2:57pm Thu 20 Dec 12

yazhoo1 says...

I have however been involved in the wider aspects of the new proposals and given input with regard to my constituents.


Thats great Geoff. Can you tell us what your involvement has been? What input did you give? Are you for or against the fortnightly bin collections?
[quote]I have however been involved in the wider aspects of the new proposals and given input with regard to my constituents.[/quote] Thats great Geoff. Can you tell us what your involvement has been? What input did you give? Are you for or against the fortnightly bin collections? yazhoo1
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3:06pm Thu 20 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

The select few have spoken and thus it will happen. Therefore we will then have to put up with that suck-it-and-see decision of the Warrington Unitary Council. We are quite use to these mood swings from the Council. There will be another election in May and some of the Counsellors will be redundant then let them suck-and-see-that decision of the electorate! Come on Councillors, Nick has asked some very, very simple questions and you have stated that you don't understand them or passed the buck and deliberately failed to answer them. Being a Councillor in Warrington should mean more than safety in numbers, a bums-on-seats mentality and appearing to have a political worth within their parochial community. I am sure that you will think differently and may or may not justify it here with your comments.
The select few have spoken and thus it will happen. Therefore we will then have to put up with that suck-it-and-see decision of the Warrington Unitary Council. We are quite use to these mood swings from the Council. There will be another election in May and some of the Counsellors will be redundant then let them suck-and-see-that decision of the electorate! Come on Councillors, Nick has asked some very, very simple questions and you have stated that you don't understand them or passed the buck and deliberately failed to answer them. Being a Councillor in Warrington should mean more than safety in numbers, a bums-on-seats mentality and appearing to have a political worth within their parochial community. I am sure that you will think differently and may or may not justify it here with your comments. SAC_in_Warrington
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3:12pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Sug says...

This country is in absolute crisis. Will things be any better next year, maybe our bins will only be collected once a month then. The area where I live is already plagues by rats surely this can only add to the problen of bins overflowing. When I visit the supermarket and buy food that already has packaging on it what am I supposed to do rip it off and throw it back at them. I already recycle/flatten/wrap
/sort/wash everything and visit recycling centre, I just don't know what more I can do. As far as the comments of buying too much food and wasting it, I don't think so on benefits, every penny counts in my household and I waste absolutely nothing and I mean nothing. This has surely come about by the fact that the government wants all council to freeze council tax this coming year.
This country is in absolute crisis. Will things be any better next year, maybe our bins will only be collected once a month then. The area where I live is already plagues by rats surely this can only add to the problen of bins overflowing. When I visit the supermarket and buy food that already has packaging on it what am I supposed to do rip it off and throw it back at them. I already recycle/flatten/wrap /sort/wash everything and visit recycling centre, I just don't know what more I can do. As far as the comments of buying too much food and wasting it, I don't think so on benefits, every penny counts in my household and I waste absolutely nothing and I mean nothing. This has surely come about by the fact that the government wants all council to freeze council tax this coming year. Sug
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3:21pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Nick Tessla says...

Billy Lines-Rowlands wrote:
Hi Nick I'm not sure what an "open Government" is but it would be unproffesional of me to conduct this any further as far as naming portfolio holders etc online. I can confirm I have emailed the portfolio holder and if you wish to email myself then I can pass it on. I'm not here to argue Nick, I'm actually trying to clear this up for you as I would any other resident. If you wish to reply back stating party politics and using your freedom of speech then fine mate, I'm ok with that. But if you wish to email me your concern I will be evern happier. Just please don't argue when I'm actually trying to help you. Merry Christmas/Seasons Greeting/Happy Holidays Billy
I actually started out in support of your party on this issue - it is a pity that your arrogance has wiped away any positive feelings I may have had for you and your colleagues on this issue.


The concept of "open government" is a pretty basic one Billy - try looking it up in your ladybird book of "How to be a politician" - or asking Geoff he seems a bit keener on actually communicating with voters than you.


My perfectly reasonable wish to find out who made this decision has nothing to do with party politics, but as a constituent with an honest query.


You say you are not here to argue - I was merely questioning why you would refuse such a simple request. if you have no concept of open governmet and react so badly to someone daring to question you, are you sure you are suited to operating in any form of democracy?


The only logical reason for you seeking my email address seems to be a pathetic attempt to find out the identity of an anonymous poster. You can hardly blame me, in this age of hacking, if I am a little reluctant to broadcast my email address to all and sundry.
[quote][p][bold]Billy Lines-Rowlands[/bold] wrote: Hi Nick I'm not sure what an "open Government" is but it would be unproffesional of me to conduct this any further as far as naming portfolio holders etc online. I can confirm I have emailed the portfolio holder and if you wish to email myself then I can pass it on. I'm not here to argue Nick, I'm actually trying to clear this up for you as I would any other resident. If you wish to reply back stating party politics and using your freedom of speech then fine mate, I'm ok with that. But if you wish to email me your concern I will be evern happier. Just please don't argue when I'm actually trying to help you. Merry Christmas/Seasons Greeting/Happy Holidays Billy[/p][/quote]I actually started out in support of your party on this issue - it is a pity that your arrogance has wiped away any positive feelings I may have had for you and your colleagues on this issue. The concept of "open government" is a pretty basic one Billy - try looking it up in your ladybird book of "How to be a politician" - or asking Geoff he seems a bit keener on actually communicating with voters than you. My perfectly reasonable wish to find out who made this decision has nothing to do with party politics, but as a constituent with an honest query. You say you are not here to argue - I was merely questioning why you would refuse such a simple request. if you have no concept of open governmet and react so badly to someone daring to question you, are you sure you are suited to operating in any form of democracy? The only logical reason for you seeking my email address seems to be a pathetic attempt to find out the identity of an anonymous poster. You can hardly blame me, in this age of hacking, if I am a little reluctant to broadcast my email address to all and sundry. Nick Tessla
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3:22pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Billy Lines-Rowlands says...

SAC
There are no elections this May (2013)

No buck has been passed.

If you understand how the council works with the exec board and portfolio holders you will appreciate why it is important for those with the job to answer the questions that fall under their portfolio.

It is acceptable to ask myself a question about schools or health care or bin collections, which is fine-I would then do my very best to get you the best answer possible... from the person who's job it is to actually answer those questions in full. Yes Nick asked a very simple question, but to honest now, answering it on an online forum is not professional. If you have strong feelings or serious concerns, email your councillor and hold them accountable but not in public on a forum.
All that being said I feel I have tried but I will now leave this to yourself to decide if you wish to get more information.

Speak Soon
Billy
SAC There are no elections this May (2013) No buck has been passed. If you understand how the council works with the exec board and portfolio holders you will appreciate why it is important for those with the job to answer the questions that fall under their portfolio. It is acceptable to ask myself a question about schools or health care or bin collections, which is fine-I would then do my very best to get you the best answer possible... from the person who's job it is to actually answer those questions in full. Yes Nick asked a very simple question, but to honest now, answering it on an online forum is not professional. If you have strong feelings or serious concerns, email your councillor and hold them accountable but not in public on a forum. All that being said I feel I have tried but I will now leave this to yourself to decide if you wish to get more information. Speak Soon Billy Billy Lines-Rowlands
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3:28pm Thu 20 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Don't worry Sug, Clr David Keane (LAB - Penketh and Cuerdley), executive board member for environment and public protection, said:

“More than 2,000 tonnes of waste would be diverted into recycling bins. People are pushed to take more waste from their black bin and put it in their blue bin. It changes residents attitudes to recycling.”

&

“There will be some demand for second bins, we are prepared to consider these applications but they may be subject to waste mini audits.”

In addition Clr Terry O’Neill added:

“We have a waste strategy in place and we can confidently convince our residents to do this.”

There is the answer to how you are going to do more with regard to dealing with your own waste products. If you don't agree then you will need to add your voice to those in dissension to this issue and force "The Council" to change their decision.
Don't worry Sug, Clr David Keane (LAB - Penketh and Cuerdley), executive board member for environment and public protection, said: “More than 2,000 tonnes of waste would be diverted into recycling bins. People are pushed to take more waste from their black bin and put it in their blue bin. It changes residents attitudes to recycling.” & “There will be some demand for second bins, we are prepared to consider these applications but they may be subject to waste mini audits.” In addition Clr Terry O’Neill added: “We have a waste strategy in place and we can confidently convince our residents to do this.” There is the answer to how you are going to do more with regard to dealing with your own waste products. If you don't agree then you will need to add your voice to those in dissension to this issue and force "The Council" to change their decision. SAC_in_Warrington
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3:31pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Billy Lines-Rowlands says...

Nick, I meant send me an email in private to my council email address.

I lent my ladybird book to the local Lib-Dems and unfortunatly it didn't help them...

As far as me feeling positive that you backed an idea that came from Labour councillors-truth is, yes I have noticed that lately you agree with a few things what were doing-but as a resident in Poulton North I dont care how you vote-I will try to help you no matter what party you vote for.

Just email me or call me if you need any help or questions anwering (I dont care about finding out who you are, I care about residents concerns-truth is, I don't care what your real name is--I think I know anyway! lol)... and I'll get my "politics for dummies" and try help you.

;-)

Billy
Nick, I meant send me an email in private to my council email address. I lent my ladybird book to the local Lib-Dems and unfortunatly it didn't help them... As far as me feeling positive that you backed an idea that came from Labour councillors-truth is, yes I have noticed that lately you agree with a few things what were doing-but as a resident in Poulton North I dont care how you vote-I will try to help you no matter what party you vote for. Just email me or call me if you need any help or questions anwering (I dont care about finding out who you are, I care about residents concerns-truth is, I don't care what your real name is--I think I know anyway! lol)... and I'll get my "politics for dummies" and try help you. ;-) Billy Billy Lines-Rowlands
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4:12pm Thu 20 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Billy you are doing it again, failing to give a straight answer. Clr David Keane (LAB - Penketh and Cuerdley), executive board member for environment and public protection has made a statement in the original Warrington Guardian article at the beginning of these comments from the general Warrington public. Tell me what is "unprofessional" about having a literary conversation in this "forum". You have the perfect opportunity to be able to listen the the views of the Warrington Public, don't show your disrespect and contempt for us. Perhaps it becomes more difficult to be a good councillor when you hear what we have to say. That is my opinion convince me otherwise, if you can.

Concerning Nick's questions you are, I repeat, you appear to be blatantly avoiding answering his questions and to some extent or degree passing the buck. We here would like to hear your views comments and perceptions about the issues that affect us. So come on step up to this reasonable request and no more redirecting the questions to other people! Stop side-stepping the issue.
Billy you are doing it again, failing to give a straight answer. Clr David Keane (LAB - Penketh and Cuerdley), executive board member for environment and public protection has made a statement in the original Warrington Guardian article at the beginning of these comments from the general Warrington public. Tell me what is "unprofessional" about having a literary conversation in this "forum". You have the perfect opportunity to be able to listen the the views of the Warrington Public, don't show your disrespect and contempt for us. Perhaps it becomes more difficult to be a good councillor when you hear what we have to say. That is my opinion convince me otherwise, if you can. Concerning Nick's questions you are, I repeat, you appear to be blatantly avoiding answering his questions and to some extent or degree passing the buck. We here would like to hear your views comments and perceptions about the issues that affect us. So come on step up to this reasonable request and no more redirecting the questions to other people! Stop side-stepping the issue. SAC_in_Warrington
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4:14pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Guptahrinho says...

Just to reiterate my earlier comment I feel the blue bins should be emptied weekly and the black bins fortnightly as I recycle everything I can, and end up throwing recycables in the black bin as my blue bin is full to the brim and its very frustarting as I go to the effort of recycling everything I can. The council should show a more pro-active approach to recycling after pressuring us to do it.
Just to reiterate my earlier comment I feel the blue bins should be emptied weekly and the black bins fortnightly as I recycle everything I can, and end up throwing recycables in the black bin as my blue bin is full to the brim and its very frustarting as I go to the effort of recycling everything I can. The council should show a more pro-active approach to recycling after pressuring us to do it. Guptahrinho
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4:27pm Thu 20 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Clr David Keane (LAB - Penketh and Cuerdley), executive board member for environment and public protection, said:

“There will be some demand for second bins, we are prepared to consider these applications but they may be subject to waste mini audits.”

Perhaps you should take the suggestion from David Keane and request a second blue bin, but be mindful that a council employee may inspect its contents to ascertain your understanding of the term recycling. It is a viable option though, that is if you have room for another bin stored at your abode.
Clr David Keane (LAB - Penketh and Cuerdley), executive board member for environment and public protection, said: “There will be some demand for second bins, we are prepared to consider these applications but they may be subject to waste mini audits.” Perhaps you should take the suggestion from David Keane and request a second blue bin, but be mindful that a council employee may inspect its contents to ascertain your understanding of the term recycling. It is a viable option though, that is if you have room for another bin stored at your abode. SAC_in_Warrington
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5:35pm Thu 20 Dec 12

yazhoo1 says...

Notice that neither Billy or Geoff have actually had the stomach to tell us whether they support fortnightly bin collections or not. YES or NO, Billy and Geoff, its not that difficult! If you can't answer a question as simple as that, you need more than a ladybird book!!
Notice that neither Billy or Geoff have actually had the stomach to tell us whether they support fortnightly bin collections or not. YES or NO, Billy and Geoff, its not that difficult! If you can't answer a question as simple as that, you need more than a ladybird book!! yazhoo1
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5:37pm Thu 20 Dec 12

yazhoo1 says...

Or are they both afraid of being seen to not follow the 'Party line' if they disagree with their leaders? If your constituents in Poulton North tell you overwhelmingly that they don't want this, will you both oppose it or are you too frightened of Terry O'Neill to take a stand of your own?
Or are they both afraid of being seen to not follow the 'Party line' if they disagree with their leaders? If your constituents in Poulton North tell you overwhelmingly that they don't want this, will you both oppose it or are you too frightened of Terry O'Neill to take a stand of your own? yazhoo1
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5:47pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Billy Lines-Rowlands says...

SAC
Sorry if you've miss-read my comments but I've double checked and no disrespect or contempt has been shown towards anybody by myself, actually by the looks of it I'm the one getting the snide jabs about my age (ladybird books comments) etc towards myself, but as I see this forum as an opportunity to engage with residents I laugh it off-not seeing this forum as a cheap way for me to conduct my business. What I said would be unprofessional was for me to obtain FULL PROPER answers and simply post them online for all to see when only individuals requested them, rather than answer questions direct to the resident who asked them. Plus no questions have been redirected, I said I was happy to be the middle man as with any questions being answered by portfolio holders (the ones in the know-that's why they are the portfolio holders). I will post no more comments on this subject as I feel that the more I say the more it gets misinterpreted. If you have any issues feel free to contact me direct-I can't be more welcoming than that I'm afraid.
Billy
SAC Sorry if you've miss-read my comments but I've double checked and no disrespect or contempt has been shown towards anybody by myself, actually by the looks of it I'm the one getting the snide jabs about my age (ladybird books comments) etc towards myself, but as I see this forum as an opportunity to engage with residents I laugh it off-not seeing this forum as a cheap way for me to conduct my business. What I said would be unprofessional was for me to obtain FULL PROPER answers and simply post them online for all to see when only individuals requested them, rather than answer questions direct to the resident who asked them. Plus no questions have been redirected, I said I was happy to be the middle man as with any questions being answered by portfolio holders (the ones in the know-that's why they are the portfolio holders). I will post no more comments on this subject as I feel that the more I say the more it gets misinterpreted. If you have any issues feel free to contact me direct-I can't be more welcoming than that I'm afraid. Billy Billy Lines-Rowlands
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6:29pm Thu 20 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

I would suggest that the Unitary Council should fully audit councillors communication skills. Provide those Councillors who have a deficit of skills with some appropriate training to make up for any lack of education or experience they have.
I would suggest that the Unitary Council should fully audit councillors communication skills. Provide those Councillors who have a deficit of skills with some appropriate training to make up for any lack of education or experience they have. SAC_in_Warrington
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6:44pm Thu 20 Dec 12

yazhoo1 says...

We ask...

If your constituents in Poulton North tell you overwhelmingly that they don't want this, will you both oppose it or are you too frightened of Terry O'Neill to take a stand of your own?


and the Labour lackey replies...

I will post no more comments on this subject


Says it all really.

Where's Geoff? Has he run off to ask Terry O'Neill for his teddy bear too?

They should both suffer at the ballot box for this, they are not even willing to make a stand against their own shambolic leaders.

Prove us wrong, Geoff.
We ask... [quote]If your constituents in Poulton North tell you overwhelmingly that they don't want this, will you both oppose it or are you too frightened of Terry O'Neill to take a stand of your own?[/quote] and the Labour lackey replies... [quote]I will post no more comments on this subject[/quote] Says it all really. Where's Geoff? Has he run off to ask Terry O'Neill for his teddy bear too? They should both suffer at the ballot box for this, they are not even willing to make a stand against their own shambolic leaders. Prove us wrong, Geoff. yazhoo1
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7:03pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Billy Lines-Rowlands says...

Sorry SAC, as I posted I missed your Question.

Simple: Without EXTRA recycling opportunities, to simply cut back the black bin collections would be wrong-and to assume that people will easily adjust is wrong.
Sorry SAC, as I posted I missed your Question. Simple: Without EXTRA recycling opportunities, to simply cut back the black bin collections would be wrong-and to assume that people will easily adjust is wrong. Billy Lines-Rowlands
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7:06pm Thu 20 Dec 12

yazhoo1 says...

Credit where credit is due, Billy, you have replied honestly and at least GIVEN us an answer.

More than your fellow councillor. Does Geoff have the same view? Will he oppose the cuts?
Credit where credit is due, Billy, you have replied honestly and at least GIVEN us an answer. More than your fellow councillor. Does Geoff have the same view? Will he oppose the cuts? yazhoo1
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7:16pm Thu 20 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Billy Lines-Rowlands wrote:
Sorry SAC, as I posted I missed your Question.

Simple: Without EXTRA recycling opportunities, to simply cut back the black bin collections would be wrong-and to assume that people will easily adjust is wrong.
Thank you. I greatly appreciate this comment and it makes sense.
[quote][p][bold]Billy Lines-Rowlands[/bold] wrote: Sorry SAC, as I posted I missed your Question. Simple: Without EXTRA recycling opportunities, to simply cut back the black bin collections would be wrong-and to assume that people will easily adjust is wrong.[/p][/quote]Thank you. I greatly appreciate this comment and it makes sense. SAC_in_Warrington
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7:29pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Geoff Settle says...

yazhoo1 wrote:
I have however been involved in the wider aspects of the new proposals and given input with regard to my constituents.


Thats great Geoff. Can you tell us what your involvement has been? What input did you give? Are you for or against the fortnightly bin collections?
It’s my day of voluntary work and I've been stuck in traffic taking my passengers home all over Warrington.
It does seem like you've been having a great time though in my absence. Billy is finding out why very few Councillors take part in these discussion forums, or should I say perhaps they do but as an alias :-).
I was asked about my involvement – now of course whatever I say can be taken any which way – I took part in one of the projects to encourage residents to use the Blue Bins in Poulton North earlier in the year and the uptake was very good. In addition I attended the all-party presentation and discussion at the Town Hall where the waste manager explained the history of the service in Warrington and what had been learnt, he explained the benefits and reasons for the proposed changes. I have taken sound bites and some residents like the idea some don’t – just as has become clear above. However when some of the people against the idea , have understood how they can make better use of the blue bin and the savings that could accrue, they start to warm to it. I am currently Deputy Chair of Resources and Finance and as we all know budgetary pressures mean that we have to reduce costs and find more efficient ways of providing services. I am also on the Climate Change Board where Recycling plays a key role and getting people signed up to recycling is a very important part. I have also attended the primary school visits to promote recycling. This not only teachers our youngsters about the topic but it is hoped that they will pass on the message to their parents and guardians to change their ways and use the Blue Bins.
So you can see that I am in favour of a move to recycling, as we recycle more then we need the Black bin less and less – the balance is changing in favour of the blue and green
So I am in favour of the proposed fortnightly system but as Billy says let your councillors know one way or another and your reasons why.
[quote][p][bold]yazhoo1[/bold] wrote: [quote]I have however been involved in the wider aspects of the new proposals and given input with regard to my constituents.[/quote] Thats great Geoff. Can you tell us what your involvement has been? What input did you give? Are you for or against the fortnightly bin collections?[/p][/quote]It’s my day of voluntary work and I've been stuck in traffic taking my passengers home all over Warrington. It does seem like you've been having a great time though in my absence. Billy is finding out why very few Councillors take part in these discussion forums, or should I say perhaps they do but as an alias :-). I was asked about my involvement – now of course whatever I say can be taken any which way – I took part in one of the projects to encourage residents to use the Blue Bins in Poulton North earlier in the year and the uptake was very good. In addition I attended the all-party presentation and discussion at the Town Hall where the waste manager explained the history of the service in Warrington and what had been learnt, he explained the benefits and reasons for the proposed changes. I have taken sound bites and some residents like the idea some don’t – just as has become clear above. However when some of the people against the idea , have understood how they can make better use of the blue bin and the savings that could accrue, they start to warm to it. I am currently Deputy Chair of Resources and Finance and as we all know budgetary pressures mean that we have to reduce costs and find more efficient ways of providing services. I am also on the Climate Change Board where Recycling plays a key role and getting people signed up to recycling is a very important part. I have also attended the primary school visits to promote recycling. This not only teachers our youngsters about the topic but it is hoped that they will pass on the message to their parents and guardians to change their ways and use the Blue Bins. So you can see that I am in favour of a move to recycling, as we recycle more then we need the Black bin less and less – the balance is changing in favour of the blue and green So I am in favour of the proposed fortnightly system but as Billy says let your councillors know one way or another and your reasons why. Geoff Settle
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7:52pm Thu 20 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Geoff Settle wrote:
yazhoo1 wrote:
I have however been involved in the wider aspects of the new proposals and given input with regard to my constituents.


Thats great Geoff. Can you tell us what your involvement has been? What input did you give? Are you for or against the fortnightly bin collections?
It’s my day of voluntary work and I've been stuck in traffic taking my passengers home all over Warrington.
It does seem like you've been having a great time though in my absence. Billy is finding out why very few Councillors take part in these discussion forums, or should I say perhaps they do but as an alias :-).
I was asked about my involvement – now of course whatever I say can be taken any which way – I took part in one of the projects to encourage residents to use the Blue Bins in Poulton North earlier in the year and the uptake was very good. In addition I attended the all-party presentation and discussion at the Town Hall where the waste manager explained the history of the service in Warrington and what had been learnt, he explained the benefits and reasons for the proposed changes. I have taken sound bites and some residents like the idea some don’t – just as has become clear above. However when some of the people against the idea , have understood how they can make better use of the blue bin and the savings that could accrue, they start to warm to it. I am currently Deputy Chair of Resources and Finance and as we all know budgetary pressures mean that we have to reduce costs and find more efficient ways of providing services. I am also on the Climate Change Board where Recycling plays a key role and getting people signed up to recycling is a very important part. I have also attended the primary school visits to promote recycling. This not only teachers our youngsters about the topic but it is hoped that they will pass on the message to their parents and guardians to change their ways and use the Blue Bins.
So you can see that I am in favour of a move to recycling, as we recycle more then we need the Black bin less and less – the balance is changing in favour of the blue and green
So I am in favour of the proposed fortnightly system but as Billy says let your councillors know one way or another and your reasons why.
This explanation is appreciated, thank you.
[quote][p][bold]Geoff Settle[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]yazhoo1[/bold] wrote: [quote]I have however been involved in the wider aspects of the new proposals and given input with regard to my constituents.[/quote] Thats great Geoff. Can you tell us what your involvement has been? What input did you give? Are you for or against the fortnightly bin collections?[/p][/quote]It’s my day of voluntary work and I've been stuck in traffic taking my passengers home all over Warrington. It does seem like you've been having a great time though in my absence. Billy is finding out why very few Councillors take part in these discussion forums, or should I say perhaps they do but as an alias :-). I was asked about my involvement – now of course whatever I say can be taken any which way – I took part in one of the projects to encourage residents to use the Blue Bins in Poulton North earlier in the year and the uptake was very good. In addition I attended the all-party presentation and discussion at the Town Hall where the waste manager explained the history of the service in Warrington and what had been learnt, he explained the benefits and reasons for the proposed changes. I have taken sound bites and some residents like the idea some don’t – just as has become clear above. However when some of the people against the idea , have understood how they can make better use of the blue bin and the savings that could accrue, they start to warm to it. I am currently Deputy Chair of Resources and Finance and as we all know budgetary pressures mean that we have to reduce costs and find more efficient ways of providing services. I am also on the Climate Change Board where Recycling plays a key role and getting people signed up to recycling is a very important part. I have also attended the primary school visits to promote recycling. This not only teachers our youngsters about the topic but it is hoped that they will pass on the message to their parents and guardians to change their ways and use the Blue Bins. So you can see that I am in favour of a move to recycling, as we recycle more then we need the Black bin less and less – the balance is changing in favour of the blue and green So I am in favour of the proposed fortnightly system but as Billy says let your councillors know one way or another and your reasons why.[/p][/quote]This explanation is appreciated, thank you. SAC_in_Warrington
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11:51pm Thu 20 Dec 12

Reader says...

For every ton of our recyclable waste the council collect from us they get just over £40 per ton in their pockets from the people they give it too. For every ton of non recyclable black bin waste they have to PAY just over £60 to get rid of it.

Maybe we all opt to not have blue bin collections and save the council even more and we should all sell our blue bin stuff direct to the company in Wales ;)
For every ton of our recyclable waste the council collect from us they get just over £40 per ton in their pockets from the people they give it too. For every ton of non recyclable black bin waste they have to PAY just over £60 to get rid of it. Maybe we all opt to not have blue bin collections and save the council even more and we should all sell our blue bin stuff direct to the company in Wales ;) Reader
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10:52am Fri 21 Dec 12

defor_dog says...

Our blue bin was last collected on Thursday 13th December. Next due date would be the 27th, but as services are suspended over Xmas we are only having one blue bin collection in December where I live.

Madness.

All the extra packaging/wrapping materials over christmas that would normally go in the blue bin will be going in the already full black bin.

If I do trouble myself to use the local tip (St Heath) then there will be rather long queues out onto Sandy Lane. This tip is busy enough at the best of times! A "tip run" usually takes about 30 mins here.

All them cars sat in a queue with engines running. All that extra air pollution etc. Nice.

I could chose to use Gatewarth Tip, but it would mean a 4 mile trip each way. Google Maps suggests a travel time of 9 minutes.

After you have trundled down London Road, got held up thru St Heath, got stuck by Morrisons it t will have taken akes 15 minutes to get to Brian Bevan Island. Then a further 7 to negociate Bridge Foot. Lose a few seconds for Taxi's blocking the road outside Bank Quay Stn.. then down L'pool Road and towards Gatewarth where you have to drive at 1mph over the speed bumps to avoid any damage to your car.

Then when you do get to the tip you are asked to empty bin bags out so they can check you're not disposing of things you shouldn't.

When you leave you usually get a puncture, which will deflate at the new road markings at Bridge Foot causing grid lock..

Maybe we could all dump our rubbish on Knutsford Road and it could be used as part of the new flood defence..?
Our blue bin was last collected on Thursday 13th December. Next due date would be the 27th, but as services are suspended over Xmas we are only having one blue bin collection in December where I live. Madness. All the extra packaging/wrapping materials over christmas that would normally go in the blue bin will be going in the already full black bin. If I do trouble myself to use the local tip (St Heath) then there will be rather long queues out onto Sandy Lane. This tip is busy enough at the best of times! A "tip run" usually takes about 30 mins here. All them cars sat in a queue with engines running. All that extra air pollution etc. Nice. I could chose to use Gatewarth Tip, but it would mean a 4 mile trip each way. Google Maps suggests a travel time of 9 minutes. After you have trundled down London Road, got held up thru St Heath, got stuck by Morrisons it t will have taken akes 15 minutes to get to Brian Bevan Island. Then a further 7 to negociate Bridge Foot. Lose a few seconds for Taxi's blocking the road outside Bank Quay Stn.. then down L'pool Road and towards Gatewarth where you have to drive at 1mph over the speed bumps to avoid any damage to your car. Then when you do get to the tip you are asked to empty bin bags out so they can check you're not disposing of things you shouldn't. When you leave you usually get a puncture, which will deflate at the new road markings at Bridge Foot causing grid lock.. Maybe we could all dump our rubbish on Knutsford Road and it could be used as part of the new flood defence..? defor_dog
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10:58am Fri 21 Dec 12

Jeff in Appleton says...

Our problem is the blue bin - we crush and smash as much as we can, but it fills up faster than the black bin. If they are thinking they'll get more in the blue bins, they may need to consider picking them up weekly soon.
Our problem is the blue bin - we crush and smash as much as we can, but it fills up faster than the black bin. If they are thinking they'll get more in the blue bins, they may need to consider picking them up weekly soon. Jeff in Appleton
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3:09pm Fri 21 Dec 12

yazhoo1 says...

It’s my day of voluntary work and I've been stuck in traffic taking my passengers home all over Warrington.
It does seem like you've been having a great time though in my absence. Billy is finding out why very few Councillors take part in these discussion forums, or should I say perhaps they do but as an alias :-).
I was asked about my involvement – now of course whatever I say can be taken any which way – I took part in one of the projects to encourage residents to use the Blue Bins in Poulton North earlier in the year and the uptake was very good. In addition I attended the all-party presentation and discussion at the Town Hall where the waste manager explained the history of the service in Warrington and what had been learnt, he explained the benefits and reasons for the proposed changes. I have taken sound bites and some residents like the idea some don’t – just as has become clear above. However when some of the people against the idea , have understood how they can make better use of the blue bin and the savings that could accrue, they start to warm to it. I am currently Deputy Chair of Resources and Finance and as we all know budgetary pressures mean that we have to reduce costs and find more efficient ways of providing services. I am also on the Climate Change Board where Recycling plays a key role and getting people signed up to recycling is a very important part. I have also attended the primary school visits to promote recycling. This not only teachers our youngsters about the topic but it is hoped that they will pass on the message to their parents and guardians to change their ways and use the Blue Bins.
So you can see that I am in favour of a move to recycling, as we recycle more then we need the Black bin less and less – the balance is changing in favour of the blue and green
So I am in favour of the proposed fortnightly system but as Billy says let your councillors know one way or another and your reasons why.


Thank you Geoff, for at least telling us where you stand. Credit to you for this honest and open explonation.

But it seems that the Poulton North councillors don't have a consistent view on this. Question is Geoff, will your fellow councillor Billy end up facing the wrath of Terry O'Neill if he doesn't 'tow the Party line'?
[quote]It’s my day of voluntary work and I've been stuck in traffic taking my passengers home all over Warrington. It does seem like you've been having a great time though in my absence. Billy is finding out why very few Councillors take part in these discussion forums, or should I say perhaps they do but as an alias :-). I was asked about my involvement – now of course whatever I say can be taken any which way – I took part in one of the projects to encourage residents to use the Blue Bins in Poulton North earlier in the year and the uptake was very good. In addition I attended the all-party presentation and discussion at the Town Hall where the waste manager explained the history of the service in Warrington and what had been learnt, he explained the benefits and reasons for the proposed changes. I have taken sound bites and some residents like the idea some don’t – just as has become clear above. However when some of the people against the idea , have understood how they can make better use of the blue bin and the savings that could accrue, they start to warm to it. I am currently Deputy Chair of Resources and Finance and as we all know budgetary pressures mean that we have to reduce costs and find more efficient ways of providing services. I am also on the Climate Change Board where Recycling plays a key role and getting people signed up to recycling is a very important part. I have also attended the primary school visits to promote recycling. This not only teachers our youngsters about the topic but it is hoped that they will pass on the message to their parents and guardians to change their ways and use the Blue Bins. So you can see that I am in favour of a move to recycling, as we recycle more then we need the Black bin less and less – the balance is changing in favour of the blue and green So I am in favour of the proposed fortnightly system but as Billy says let your councillors know one way or another and your reasons why.[/quote] Thank you Geoff, for at least telling us where you stand. Credit to you for this honest and open explonation. But it seems that the Poulton North councillors don't have a consistent view on this. Question is Geoff, will your fellow councillor Billy end up facing the wrath of Terry O'Neill if he doesn't 'tow the Party line'? yazhoo1
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3:33pm Fri 21 Dec 12

ilovewazza says...

our county already do something to help all the working mum with children in nappies that don't want to have reusable ones.... recycle nappies

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-mer
seyside-19063180

Maybe its something our council want to look at bringing in too....
our county already do something to help all the working mum with children in nappies that don't want to have reusable ones.... recycle nappies http://www.bbc.co.uk /news/uk-england-mer seyside-19063180 Maybe its something our council want to look at bringing in too.... ilovewazza
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4:06pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Geoff Settle says...

hi ilovewazza - one to watch and see how things progress - when I think back to changing nappies all those years ago.

I can't imagine standing beneath the ceiling tiles for too long knowing where they have come from but you live and learn and that's the essence of good recyling know matter what your views.
hi ilovewazza - one to watch and see how things progress - when I think back to changing nappies all those years ago. I can't imagine standing beneath the ceiling tiles for too long knowing where they have come from but you live and learn and that's the essence of good recyling know matter what your views. Geoff Settle
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4:57pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Billy Lines-Rowlands says...

yazhoo1 wrote:
It’s my day of voluntary work and I've been stuck in traffic taking my passengers home all over Warrington.
It does seem like you've been having a great time though in my absence. Billy is finding out why very few Councillors take part in these discussion forums, or should I say perhaps they do but as an alias :-).
I was asked about my involvement – now of course whatever I say can be taken any which way – I took part in one of the projects to encourage residents to use the Blue Bins in Poulton North earlier in the year and the uptake was very good. In addition I attended the all-party presentation and discussion at the Town Hall where the waste manager explained the history of the service in Warrington and what had been learnt, he explained the benefits and reasons for the proposed changes. I have taken sound bites and some residents like the idea some don’t – just as has become clear above. However when some of the people against the idea , have understood how they can make better use of the blue bin and the savings that could accrue, they start to warm to it. I am currently Deputy Chair of Resources and Finance and as we all know budgetary pressures mean that we have to reduce costs and find more efficient ways of providing services. I am also on the Climate Change Board where Recycling plays a key role and getting people signed up to recycling is a very important part. I have also attended the primary school visits to promote recycling. This not only teachers our youngsters about the topic but it is hoped that they will pass on the message to their parents and guardians to change their ways and use the Blue Bins.
So you can see that I am in favour of a move to recycling, as we recycle more then we need the Black bin less and less – the balance is changing in favour of the blue and green
So I am in favour of the proposed fortnightly system but as Billy says let your councillors know one way or another and your reasons why.


Thank you Geoff, for at least telling us where you stand. Credit to you for this honest and open explonation.

But it seems that the Poulton North councillors don't have a consistent view on this. Question is Geoff, will your fellow councillor Billy end up facing the wrath of Terry O'Neill if he doesn't 'tow the Party line'?
Yazhoo1,

Hmmm, I've not said anything against the idea or change. Perhaps you are not used to a councillor who speaks out for residents who elected him/her. If you are a Poulton North resident I'd be happy to help if you have any concerns regarding this issue-if not then thank you for your concern regarding me (that does not go against the change-read my posts again) and how the leader of the Council may view my idea to bring in MORE recycling opportunities. I think there is more we can do with recycling instead of a simple cut-back. That being said I'm sure there are ideas already being discussed and knowing the portfolio holder, I think he will have already taken this into consideration. We need to cut back on waste and recycle more as a town, I just think there are more positive steps to take rather than a cut back of bin collections. Again this is why it is important to contact your local councillors and let them know if/how this will affect you.

Thanks

Billy
[quote][p][bold]yazhoo1[/bold] wrote: [quote]It’s my day of voluntary work and I've been stuck in traffic taking my passengers home all over Warrington. It does seem like you've been having a great time though in my absence. Billy is finding out why very few Councillors take part in these discussion forums, or should I say perhaps they do but as an alias :-). I was asked about my involvement – now of course whatever I say can be taken any which way – I took part in one of the projects to encourage residents to use the Blue Bins in Poulton North earlier in the year and the uptake was very good. In addition I attended the all-party presentation and discussion at the Town Hall where the waste manager explained the history of the service in Warrington and what had been learnt, he explained the benefits and reasons for the proposed changes. I have taken sound bites and some residents like the idea some don’t – just as has become clear above. However when some of the people against the idea , have understood how they can make better use of the blue bin and the savings that could accrue, they start to warm to it. I am currently Deputy Chair of Resources and Finance and as we all know budgetary pressures mean that we have to reduce costs and find more efficient ways of providing services. I am also on the Climate Change Board where Recycling plays a key role and getting people signed up to recycling is a very important part. I have also attended the primary school visits to promote recycling. This not only teachers our youngsters about the topic but it is hoped that they will pass on the message to their parents and guardians to change their ways and use the Blue Bins. So you can see that I am in favour of a move to recycling, as we recycle more then we need the Black bin less and less – the balance is changing in favour of the blue and green So I am in favour of the proposed fortnightly system but as Billy says let your councillors know one way or another and your reasons why.[/quote] Thank you Geoff, for at least telling us where you stand. Credit to you for this honest and open explonation. But it seems that the Poulton North councillors don't have a consistent view on this. Question is Geoff, will your fellow councillor Billy end up facing the wrath of Terry O'Neill if he doesn't 'tow the Party line'?[/p][/quote]Yazhoo1, Hmmm, I've not said anything against the idea or change. Perhaps you are not used to a councillor who speaks out for residents who elected him/her. If you are a Poulton North resident I'd be happy to help if you have any concerns regarding this issue-if not then thank you for your concern regarding me (that does not go against the change-read my posts again) and how the leader of the Council may view my idea to bring in MORE recycling opportunities. I think there is more we can do with recycling instead of a simple cut-back. That being said I'm sure there are ideas already being discussed and knowing the portfolio holder, I think he will have already taken this into consideration. We need to cut back on waste and recycle more as a town, I just think there are more positive steps to take rather than a cut back of bin collections. Again this is why it is important to contact your local councillors and let them know if/how this will affect you. Thanks Billy Billy Lines-Rowlands
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5:38pm Fri 21 Dec 12

Geoff Settle says...

Just to let you know spared on by your questions I've been out to look at the contents of my Blue Bin.
It was nearly half full but after a couple of minutes ripping up boxes, squashing milk cartons and cans it is now only 1/4tr full.
This means that the recylable material was made up of 50% fresh air.
Just to let you know spared on by your questions I've been out to look at the contents of my Blue Bin. It was nearly half full but after a couple of minutes ripping up boxes, squashing milk cartons and cans it is now only 1/4tr full. This means that the recylable material was made up of 50% fresh air. Geoff Settle
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9:22pm Fri 21 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Geoff Settle wrote:
Just to let you know spared on by your questions I've been out to look at the contents of my Blue Bin.
It was nearly half full but after a couple of minutes ripping up boxes, squashing milk cartons and cans it is now only 1/4tr full.
This means that the recylable material was made up of 50% fresh air.
Fresh air Counsellor, in Warrington! Now that is another debate altogether. Ask the residents, or the Council representative, of people who live within the areas affected by the aroma of the Woolston, Gateworth Farm and Arpley Meadows landfill sites. Hopefully this is now sorted. The methane gas that comes from these site could be or could have been used for council vehicle instead of burning it of as they do now I believe.
[quote][p][bold]Geoff Settle[/bold] wrote: Just to let you know spared on by your questions I've been out to look at the contents of my Blue Bin. It was nearly half full but after a couple of minutes ripping up boxes, squashing milk cartons and cans it is now only 1/4tr full. This means that the recylable material was made up of 50% fresh air.[/p][/quote]Fresh air Counsellor, in Warrington! Now that is another debate altogether. Ask the residents, or the Council representative, of people who live within the areas affected by the aroma of the Woolston, Gateworth Farm and Arpley Meadows landfill sites. Hopefully this is now sorted. The methane gas that comes from these site could be or could have been used for council vehicle instead of burning it of as they do now I believe. SAC_in_Warrington
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2:40am Sat 22 Dec 12

Geoff Settle says...

I agree about it being another debate.

It is one that in principle is a sound idea and maybe it could be explored.
I agree about it being another debate. It is one that in principle is a sound idea and maybe it could be explored. Geoff Settle
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8:32am Sat 22 Dec 12

PadgatePaul says...

The above poll (At the time of writing) states 67% of Warrington people are against fortnightly black bin collections. My wife and I have 2 small children, and every week our black bin is full, our blue bin is crammed as we recycle everything that is allowed to be placed in it, and luckily having a larger than average garden our green bin has to be taken to Woolston tip once a week. So put aside the fact that 2 thirds of people are being ignored (This can be addressed at the next local election), surely this shows that everyone's needs are different. Fortnightly collections are fine providing people who request a larger blue bin get one (Free), people with families of 4 or more get a larger black bin (Free) and single people get a small black bin (One of which I had when living a single life and was barely full). I would imagine that some areas of Warrington recycle more than others so education in those areas schools could help, and show the good people of Warrington that REAL savings are being made in town hall, after all people are more inclined to muck in when those in charge (I loosely use the words 'in charge') are towing the line when it comes to austerity measures.
The above poll (At the time of writing) states 67% of Warrington people are against fortnightly black bin collections. My wife and I have 2 small children, and every week our black bin is full, our blue bin is crammed as we recycle everything that is allowed to be placed in it, and luckily having a larger than average garden our green bin has to be taken to Woolston tip once a week. So put aside the fact that 2 thirds of people are being ignored (This can be addressed at the next local election), surely this shows that everyone's needs are different. Fortnightly collections are fine providing people who request a larger blue bin get one (Free), people with families of 4 or more get a larger black bin (Free) and single people get a small black bin (One of which I had when living a single life and was barely full). I would imagine that some areas of Warrington recycle more than others so education in those areas schools could help, and show the good people of Warrington that REAL savings are being made in town hall, after all people are more inclined to muck in when those in charge (I loosely use the words 'in charge') are towing the line when it comes to austerity measures. PadgatePaul
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9:25am Sat 22 Dec 12

SAC_in_Warrington says...

Just a quick couple of thoughts points on Nappies:

"A 2008 report from the Environment Agency concluded that it is more environmentally friendly to use reusable
nappies than disposables."

"Go Real, The Real Nappy Information Service, estimates there is 690,000 tonnes of nappy waste each year; most of which goes to landfill sites.
Contact your local council to see what schemes they are running to get you into using real nappies."

from the BBC Web Site.

Now that is an idea for Warrington.l
Just a quick couple of thoughts points on Nappies: "A 2008 report from the Environment Agency concluded that it is more environmentally friendly to use reusable nappies than disposables." "Go Real, The Real Nappy Information Service, estimates there is 690,000 tonnes of nappy waste each year; most of which goes to landfill sites. Contact your local council to see what schemes they are running to get you into using real nappies." from the BBC Web Site. Now that is an idea for Warrington.l SAC_in_Warrington
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1:54pm Mon 24 Dec 12

the dr who says...

keep all your crap that cant be traced back to your home tie the bag up and leave it on the street, the council will end up taking it,

Fly Tipping

Thats what will happen people will dump there rubbish away from there house and it will become a more expensive problem,
keep all your crap that cant be traced back to your home tie the bag up and leave it on the street, the council will end up taking it, Fly Tipping Thats what will happen people will dump there rubbish away from there house and it will become a more expensive problem, the dr who
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