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A TOWN centre club that "drove a coach and horses" through licensing regulations has lost an appeal against the suspension of its licence.
Jeffrey Barnett appeared at Warrington Crown Court to appeal against his sentence for the multiple selling of alcohol to underage teenagers at Club Casi on two days in April 2007 and one day in May 2007.
But Judge Roger Dutton refused the appeal stating that it was not merely a trivial breach of the licensing legislation but "driving a coach and horses through the legislation".
The club was twice found to have sold drink to underage women while in May it failed a test purchase organised by trading standards and police officers.
Barnett was present on all three occasions and, at the time, was both premises licence holder and the designated premises supervisor.
Licensing officer Paul Draycott said: "The judge has sent out a clear message to all licensed premises in Warrington that if they fail to stick to the licensing regulations and they fail to meet ArcAngel standards, then positive action will be taken by the police and Trading Standards against the premises.
"It is time that licensees realise that they have a duty of care to the people who drink in their pubs and clubs and that they will be held to account if they fall short of the standards we have set. We will continue to target those premises which choose to abuse the law."
He later appeared at Warrington Magistrates' Court where he was fined, his personal licence was suspended for 6 months and the premises licence was suspended for 3 months in relation to the sale of alcohol.
The club is owned by The Rock Club Ltd and the appeal was based on Barnett claiming he was only an employee and that the suspension would affect the livelihood of 20 members of staff.
7:50am Wednesday 26th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: pioneer1, great sankey on 8:25am Wed 26 Mar 08
about time! it is horrible and dirty and has always been known for under age drinking. but as usual, no doubt the place will be open in a few weeks.
about time! it is horrible and dirty and has always been known for under age drinking. but as usual, no doubt the place will be open in a few weeks.
Posted by: Drew, Grappenhall on 8:50am Wed 26 Mar 08
About time that dive was closed down. An embarassment to the time. As pioneer says, it'll probably be open again in a couple of weeks!
It's about time a proper message was sent to these greedy, irresponsible bar owners and more were closed down.
Next place to close should be Panama Jacks... although the local thugs and scum will soon find somewhere else to drink and start fights.
About time that dive was closed down. An embarassment to the time. As pioneer says, it'll probably be open again in a couple of weeks!
It's about time a proper message was sent to these greedy, irresponsible bar owners and more were closed down.
Next place to close should be Panama Jacks... although the local thugs and scum will soon find somewhere else to drink and start fights.
Posted by: pioneer1, warrington on 9:33am Wed 26 Mar 08
the thing is tho it is very hard to eliminate underage drinking because so of these girls that go out can look 25, but yes pjs always has underage kids in there.
the thing is tho it is very hard to eliminate underage drinking because so of these girls that go out can look 25, but yes pjs always has underage kids in there.
Posted by: Tony's Spuds, Opposite Warrington Market on 10:36am Wed 26 Mar 08
It's a real shame that Casi has been closed down some of my customers are really upset at this as its the only place that plays indie and rock and roll music in town.
It's a real shame that Casi has been closed down some of my customers are really upset at this as its the only place that plays indie and rock and roll music in town.
Posted by: diliz, Padgate on 10:37am Wed 26 Mar 08
why not take a leaf out of the books of our friends over the pond and ID everyone? make sure its photo driving licences or something that is difficult to forge? All these security firms and door staff are on radio links if someone has been turned away from one place for not having ID Radio on to the other doormen and let them no - keep a list of the names they're trying to use? Surely its not that difficult?
why not take a leaf out of the books of our friends over the pond and ID everyone? make sure its photo driving licences or something that is difficult to forge? All these security firms and door staff are on radio links if someone has been turned away from one place for not having ID Radio on to the other doormen and let them no - keep a list of the names they're trying to use? Surely its not that difficult?
Posted by: warrington_biker, Cheshire on 10:55am Wed 26 Mar 08
I'm going to come to the defense of the club here, because since the last court hearing, when Jeff lost his license, the club has been turned around.
They employed a well respected licensee, that stuck to the rules, and when I do go in there, the crowd was a much older crowd. I know the new licensee personally, and I know she would NEVER risk her license for the club.
The judge has unfairly based everything on the past, when Jeff was both DPS and Licensee. They need to take into account the current situation, and reduce, if not cancel the suspension.
I'm going to come to the defense of the club here, because since the last court hearing, when Jeff lost his license, the club has been turned around.
They employed a well respected licensee, that stuck to the rules, and when I do go in there, the crowd was a much older crowd. I know the new licensee personally, and I know she would NEVER risk her license for the club.
The judge has unfairly based everything on the past, when Jeff was both DPS and Licensee. They need to take into account the current situation, and reduce, if not cancel the suspension.
Posted by: william hill, orford on 11:08am Wed 26 Mar 08
I agree with Warrington-biker & Tony's spuds
this club is the only place that plays indie and rock and roll music in town.and atleast you dont get any problems with the pepol who go in there.
I agree with Warrington-biker & Tony's spuds
this club is the only place that plays indie and rock and roll music in town.and atleast you dont get any problems with the pepol who go in there.
Posted by: pioneer1, warrington on 11:33am Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]william hill[/bold] wrote:
I agree with Warrington-biker & Tony's spuds this club is the only place that plays indie and rock and roll music in town.and atleast you dont get any problems with the pepol who go in there.[/quote] have you forgot about Level and Friars which both play indie and rock music 5 nights a week?
william hill wrote:
I agree with Warrington-biker & Tony's spuds this club is the only place that plays indie and rock and roll music in town.and atleast you dont get any problems with the pepol who go in there.
have you forgot about Level and Friars which both play indie and rock music 5 nights a week?
Posted by: warrington_biker, Cheshire on 12:07pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]pioneer1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]william hill[/bold] wrote:
I agree with Warrington-biker & Tony's spuds this club is the only place that plays indie and rock and roll music in town.and atleast you dont get any problems with the pepol who go in there.[/quote] have you forgot about Level and Friars which both play indie and rock music 5 nights a week?[/quote] I have never once been into Level or Friars, and heard them playing the likes of Rammstein, Metallica, MSI, Cradle of Filth etc..
All they do play is the common ones that everyone will like...
Guns and Roses, Paradise City is the first thing that comes to mind..
And who the hell classes Bon Jovi as rock?
pioneer1 wrote:
william hill wrote:
I agree with Warrington-biker & Tony's spuds this club is the only place that plays indie and rock and roll music in town.and atleast you dont get any problems with the pepol who go in there.
have you forgot about Level and Friars which both play indie and rock music 5 nights a week?
I have never once been into Level or Friars, and heard them playing the likes of Rammstein, Metallica, MSI, Cradle of Filth etc..
All they do play is the common ones that everyone will like...
Guns and Roses, Paradise City is the first thing that comes to mind..
And who the hell classes Bon Jovi as rock?
Posted by: Tony's Spuds, Opposite Warrington Market on 12:08pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Friars and Level want closing down not Casi. They are just full of students and are pubs disguised as Clubs. Casi is the best club in town after the Carlton shut.
Friars and Level want closing down not Casi. They are just full of students and are pubs disguised as Clubs. Casi is the best club in town after the Carlton shut.
Posted by: jue27, warrington on 12:16pm Wed 26 Mar 08
no way dont shut level its cheap beer lol
no way dont shut level its cheap beer lol
Posted by: Arthur, Turn left at Orford on 12:25pm Wed 26 Mar 08
BRING BACK THE CARLTON CLUB
BRING BACK THE CARLTON CLUB
Posted by: pioneer1, warrington on 1:53pm Wed 26 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Tony's Spuds[/bold] wrote:
Friars and Level want closing down not Casi. They are just full of students and are pubs disguised as Clubs. Casi is the best club in town after the Carlton shut.[/quote] i didnt say that these are clubs, neither is casi's. the only club we have in warrington in synergy, thats all.
Tony's Spuds wrote:
Friars and Level want closing down not Casi. They are just full of students and are pubs disguised as Clubs. Casi is the best club in town after the Carlton shut.
i didnt say that these are clubs, neither is casi's. the only club we have in warrington in synergy, thats all.
Posted by: Winwicker, Winwick on 3:42pm Wed 26 Mar 08
Very rarely will you see underage people in Friars. The bouncers tend to be quite strict when IDing people. I went to Casis once (believe it or not, when I was 17) and I still felt old. You would think after the first warning they would have started IDing more. Fair enough it might be the only club of its sort in Warrington, and you don't find much trouble around there - but at the end of the day, its the place where kids go to drink cause they know they can get in!
Very rarely will you see underage people in Friars. The bouncers tend to be quite strict when IDing people. I went to Casis once (believe it or not, when I was 17) and I still felt old. You would think after the first warning they would have started IDing more. Fair enough it might be the only club of its sort in Warrington, and you don't find much trouble around there - but at the end of the day, its the place where kids go to drink cause they know they can get in!
Posted by: paulsgirl, warrington on 10:06pm Wed 26 Mar 08
well, bring back chaplins thats all I can say. (casi predesessor just in case you young uns didn't know).
ps dont insult friars, i personally know most of the staff there who are great people.
well, bring back chaplins thats all I can say. (casi predesessor just in case you young uns didn't know).
ps dont insult friars, i personally know most of the staff there who are great people.
Posted by: Tezzerwolf, warrington on 10:32pm Wed 26 Mar 08
I used to go in there when it was Chaplins great night out playing proper music for proper punters. Lately it has become a bit of an eyesore, shame.
I used to go in there when it was Chaplins great night out playing proper music for proper punters. Lately it has become a bit of an eyesore, shame.
Posted by: squiggle, orford, warrington on 8:44pm Thu 27 Mar 08
im gonna miss casi, its the only place in town that ive actualy felt comfortable and not feared my life when i bump into someone by accident. casi is the best place to be in warrington. its a one of a kind and does much better music than most, if not all places in town.
im gonna miss casi, its the only place in town that ive actualy felt comfortable and not feared my life when i bump into someone by accident. casi is the best place to be in warrington. its a one of a kind and does much better music than most, if not all places in town.
Posted by: mad1, orford on 9:36pm Thu 27 Mar 08
yeah your all going on about all of these clubs, but what about the great nights people used to have in the showboat, someone needs to rebuild it and get lee the drag dj back. all ages used to have a goodnight out then
yeah your all going on about all of these clubs, but what about the great nights people used to have in the showboat, someone needs to rebuild it and get lee the drag dj back. all ages used to have a goodnight out then
Posted by: pioneer1, great sankey on 10:36am Fri 28 Mar 08
its in the middle of nowhere tho, its not gonna happen! plus it has been knocked down now anyway!
its in the middle of nowhere tho, its not gonna happen! plus it has been knocked down now anyway!
Posted by: mad1, orford on 10:55pm Fri 28 Mar 08
[quote][bold]pioneer1[/bold] wrote:
its in the middle of nowhere tho, its not gonna happen! plus it has been knocked down now anyway![/quote] i know its been knocked down thats why i said someone needs to rebuild it, the location can be changed i was trying to point out that it was a place where all ages could mix, have a good night out with entertainment provided by the dj and eachother.
pioneer1 wrote:
its in the middle of nowhere tho, its not gonna happen! plus it has been knocked down now anyway!
i know its been knocked down thats why i said someone needs to rebuild it, the location can be changed i was trying to point out that it was a place where all ages could mix, have a good night out with entertainment provided by the dj and eachother.
Posted by: pioneer1, great sankey on 8:01am Mon 31 Mar 08
[quote][bold]mad1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]pioneer1[/bold] wrote: its in the middle of nowhere tho, its not gonna happen! plus it has been knocked down now anyway![/quote] i know its been knocked down thats why i said someone needs to rebuild it, the location can be changed i was trying to point out that it was a place where all ages could mix, have a good night out with entertainment provided by the dj and eachother.[/quote] what as opposed to every other bar where the dj doesnt provide entertaiment then?
mad1 wrote:
pioneer1 wrote: its in the middle of nowhere tho, its not gonna happen! plus it has been knocked down now anyway!
i know its been knocked down thats why i said someone needs to rebuild it, the location can be changed i was trying to point out that it was a place where all ages could mix, have a good night out with entertainment provided by the dj and eachother.
what as opposed to every other bar where the dj doesnt provide entertaiment then?
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