Twins 'ambushed' by same speed camera in town centre

Twins 'ambushed' by same speed camera in town centre

Twins 'ambushed' by same speed camera in town centre

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THESE two twin brothers were double the trouble for one speed camera in the town after they were caught speeding within hours of each other.

Dave and Paul Dooley were hit with the same misfortune after they were both caught out by the same ‘sneaky’ speed camera on Winwick Road.

The two retired military driving instructors were both surprised to receive a letter on July 16 to inform the brothers that they had been caught speeding on the dual carriageway near to the town centre on July 1.

Dave, aged 58, from Howley, was caught on camera near to Tesco supermarket at 5.20am before Paul, aged 58, from Orford, was picked up by the same camera at 9.13am.

In 2013, this speed camera at the junction of Owen Street was activated most frequently, catching out 1,395 motorists out of 3,359 who were caught travelling over the speed limit in Warrington.

Paul, who has lived in Warrington for more than a year, said: “We were caught doing 35mph on an empty dual carriageway that we both thought was at least a 40mph limit.

“The very dodgy position and signage was confusing enough to catch out both of us out. The council needs to decide if this is a safety camera or a cash cow.

“It is definitely unnecessary to be fining people who are travelling at five miles over the speed limit at five in the morning.”

Dave, who has lived in Warrington for many years, was also unaware of the speed limit despite travelling along the road many times before.

Paul said: “We would both like to congratulate the Cheshire Constabulary for setting up such a sneaky and successful ambush. We only wish that this amount of planning and effort could be channelled into catching the rest of Warrington's criminal fraternity.”

Paul argues that clearer signs are needed near to the speed camera as the current signage is confusing to drivers.

He said: “There’s a tiny 30mph sign next to the wall on left side which you can only see when you approach the camera.

“But 200 yards after the camera, there are two normal large 40mph signs on both sides of carriageway.”

But a council spokesman has denied that the signs are not clearly visible to drivers.

“The signage related to the speed limit and speed enforcement camera on Winwick Road is correct and in a prominent location. The speed enforcement camera and associated road markings are also clearly visible.

“The camera is located on the northbound side of Winwick Road, coming out of the town centre but still in a built up area and signage clearly shows that the speed limit does not increase from 30mph to 40mph until after the junction with Kerfoot Street.”

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9:09am Thu 7 Aug 14

John says says...

Pay up and slow down
Pay up and slow down John says
  • Score: 44

9:22am Thu 7 Aug 14

silverlady54 says...

As ex military driving instructors they should be better placed than most to be aware of the roads they are driving on and the consequences of speed. That stretch is obviously a very busy road and the time of day is immaterial. A difference of 5mph can mean death to a pedestrian.
As ex military driving instructors they should be better placed than most to be aware of the roads they are driving on and the consequences of speed. That stretch is obviously a very busy road and the time of day is immaterial. A difference of 5mph can mean death to a pedestrian. silverlady54
  • Score: 55

9:32am Thu 7 Aug 14

steven46 says...

If you don't see a sign, then take it as 30mph
If you don't see a sign, then take it as 30mph steven46
  • Score: 53

9:38am Thu 7 Aug 14

chunkymunky says...

"Dave and Paul Dooley were hit with the same misfortune "....how is this 'misfortune'?? Misfortune is when something bad happens to someone trying to do good!

Nice to see in my absence WG hasn't upped their game in regards to reporting!!!
"Dave and Paul Dooley were hit with the same misfortune "....how is this 'misfortune'?? Misfortune is when something bad happens to someone trying to do good! Nice to see in my absence WG hasn't upped their game in regards to reporting!!! chunkymunky
  • Score: 45

9:42am Thu 7 Aug 14

LeeMc says...

Oh, that pesky sneaky bright yellow speed camera, unobstructed by any bushes or buildings. How dare it ambush both these lovely gentlemen who must have also failed to notice the road markings which were equally sneaky and hidden in nice white paint on top of the road.

As for that 30 sign, placed a good few feet above (not hidden on the other side of) that small wall...
Oh, that pesky sneaky bright yellow speed camera, unobstructed by any bushes or buildings. How dare it ambush both these lovely gentlemen who must have also failed to notice the road markings which were equally sneaky and hidden in nice white paint on top of the road. As for that 30 sign, placed a good few feet above (not hidden on the other side of) that small wall... LeeMc
  • Score: 56

10:26am Thu 7 Aug 14

mrwolf says...

a 30mph speed camera will not activate at 35mph as you have a 5mph buffer (it wont activate unless 36mph+) so you can in fact appeal this. I do though find it very hard to believe that two twins on the same day were doing exactly 35mph as you actually state “We were caught doing 35mph on an empty dual carriageway that we both thought was at least a 40mph limit.” You saw an open road broke the legal speed limit clearly by more than 6mph endangering other road users/pedestrians and now blame everyone and everything for your actions, pathetic.

Pay the fine and don’t speed simple
a 30mph speed camera will not activate at 35mph as you have a 5mph buffer (it wont activate unless 36mph+) so you can in fact appeal this. I do though find it very hard to believe that two twins on the same day were doing exactly 35mph as you actually state “We were caught doing 35mph on an empty dual carriageway that we both thought was at least a 40mph limit.” You saw an open road broke the legal speed limit clearly by more than 6mph endangering other road users/pedestrians and now blame everyone and everything for your actions, pathetic. Pay the fine and don’t speed simple mrwolf
  • Score: 37

10:27am Thu 7 Aug 14

Skippy321 says...

As driving instructors there is no excuse for not knowing the speed limit. Also why refer to the dual carriageway being empty? Makes no difference if it is empty or busy the speed limit is the same.
Stop trying to make excuses, you are no different to anyone else.
As driving instructors there is no excuse for not knowing the speed limit. Also why refer to the dual carriageway being empty? Makes no difference if it is empty or busy the speed limit is the same. Stop trying to make excuses, you are no different to anyone else. Skippy321
  • Score: 38

10:53am Thu 7 Aug 14

Out of Warrington says...

Pair of muppets.

I would be too embarrassed to go in the paper moaning about this, but some people have no shame.
Pair of muppets. I would be too embarrassed to go in the paper moaning about this, but some people have no shame. Out of Warrington
  • Score: 55

11:12am Thu 7 Aug 14

Brian_Giles says...

Winwick Road was empty at 9.13am? Aye right. The camera has been there for years, how did two people from Orford and Howley not know about it? And what has it got to do with the Council?! And the positioning, well, it's near a pedestrian crossing so perhaps the headline should be "speeding twins endanger lives of pedestrians".
Winwick Road was empty at 9.13am? Aye right. The camera has been there for years, how did two people from Orford and Howley not know about it? And what has it got to do with the Council?! And the positioning, well, it's near a pedestrian crossing so perhaps the headline should be "speeding twins endanger lives of pedestrians". Brian_Giles
  • Score: 48

11:40am Thu 7 Aug 14

Aidanh1 says...

mrwolf wrote:
a 30mph speed camera will not activate at 35mph as you have a 5mph buffer (it wont activate unless 36mph+) so you can in fact appeal this. I do though find it very hard to believe that two twins on the same day were doing exactly 35mph as you actually state “We were caught doing 35mph on an empty dual carriageway that we both thought was at least a 40mph limit.” You saw an open road broke the legal speed limit clearly by more than 6mph endangering other road users/pedestrians and now blame everyone and everything for your actions, pathetic.

Pay the fine and don’t speed simple
I beleive your incorrect, i was also caught vy this camera and stated 35 on the letter (I was in a restricted moped at the time) i contested it showing propf of my engine size and no modifications but i still got the fine, its ridiculous.
I beleive that camera is a council cash cow and when there done sapping all yhe money they can from evetything else they just flick a take all motorists money, im sick of the warrington borough council doing as they please, i have other issues about them with regards to our black bin (was swallowed and never returned 3 months down the line) numerous complaints nothing happens their useless and should be sacked, why do i pay council tax??
[quote][p][bold]mrwolf[/bold] wrote: a 30mph speed camera will not activate at 35mph as you have a 5mph buffer (it wont activate unless 36mph+) so you can in fact appeal this. I do though find it very hard to believe that two twins on the same day were doing exactly 35mph as you actually state “We were caught doing 35mph on an empty dual carriageway that we both thought was at least a 40mph limit.” You saw an open road broke the legal speed limit clearly by more than 6mph endangering other road users/pedestrians and now blame everyone and everything for your actions, pathetic. Pay the fine and don’t speed simple[/p][/quote]I beleive your incorrect, i was also caught vy this camera and stated 35 on the letter (I was in a restricted moped at the time) i contested it showing propf of my engine size and no modifications but i still got the fine, its ridiculous. I beleive that camera is a council cash cow and when there done sapping all yhe money they can from evetything else they just flick a take all motorists money, im sick of the warrington borough council doing as they please, i have other issues about them with regards to our black bin (was swallowed and never returned 3 months down the line) numerous complaints nothing happens their useless and should be sacked, why do i pay council tax?? Aidanh1
  • Score: -39

12:20pm Thu 7 Aug 14

tojahejome says...

If they didn't see the big yellow box or speed limit signs perhaps they should be sent for a medical to determine whether or not they are still fit to drive.
If they didn't see the big yellow box or speed limit signs perhaps they should be sent for a medical to determine whether or not they are still fit to drive. tojahejome
  • Score: 36

12:42pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Electric100 says...

Ambushed!!!!

What a complete pair of fools.

Running to the Guardian and trying to blame everyone else except themselves.

Embarrasing
Ambushed!!!! What a complete pair of fools. Running to the Guardian and trying to blame everyone else except themselves. Embarrasing Electric100
  • Score: 44

12:58pm Thu 7 Aug 14

mrwolf says...

The rule for prosecuting speeding cases is speed limit plus 10% plus 2mph. So they don't prosecute 35mph in a 30 zone. Or 46 in a 40. And so on. This is due to discrepancies between vehicle speedometers. Are you sure the letter only stated 35mph as stationary fixed speed camera units produce a reading in mph to one decimal places ie 35.4 mph so if you check your letter it will probably state that you was in fact going faster than 35 (even if its only 0.1mph more) thus activating the camera. The only people who ever call speed cameras a “cash cow” are the ones who break the speed limits set to make roads safer.
The rule for prosecuting speeding cases is speed limit plus 10% plus 2mph. So they don't prosecute 35mph in a 30 zone. Or 46 in a 40. And so on. This is due to discrepancies between vehicle speedometers. Are you sure the letter only stated 35mph as stationary fixed speed camera units produce a reading in mph to one decimal places ie 35.4 mph so if you check your letter it will probably state that you was in fact going faster than 35 (even if its only 0.1mph more) thus activating the camera. The only people who ever call speed cameras a “cash cow” are the ones who break the speed limits set to make roads safer. mrwolf
  • Score: 22

1:03pm Thu 7 Aug 14

C. Ommonsense says...

The Public has spoken...
Some very well articulated comments - covering everything that is wrong about this article.
This isnt news

Trying to "Sex up" the article with words like "Sneaky" and "Ambushed" for a lump of metal that cant move and has been there for years!
Shame on the Twins and Shame on Warrington Guardian.
The Public has spoken... Some very well articulated comments - covering everything that is wrong about this article. This isnt news Trying to "Sex up" the article with words like "Sneaky" and "Ambushed" for a lump of metal that cant move and has been there for years! Shame on the Twins and Shame on Warrington Guardian. C. Ommonsense
  • Score: 43

1:13pm Thu 7 Aug 14

icooke69 says...

That stretch of Winwick Road is not classed as a Dual Carriageway ! it is a multi lane Single Carriageway.

The number of lanes in each direction is irrelevant. A dual carriageway is a road where opposing traffic flows are separated by a physical barrier whether it's a metal crash barrier, a concrete strip or just a mound of earth.
That stretch of Winwick Road is not classed as a Dual Carriageway ! it is a multi lane Single Carriageway. The number of lanes in each direction is irrelevant. A dual carriageway is a road where opposing traffic flows are separated by a physical barrier whether it's a metal crash barrier, a concrete strip or just a mound of earth. icooke69
  • Score: 22

1:53pm Thu 7 Aug 14

sharboo543 says...

You were caught speending which is an offence. You're both criminals!

If you cannot see a sign then its 30 mph. If your driving in a built up area then its 30 mph (unless stated other).

Given your career history, you should know better. Well done Warrington Guardian for publishing these baffoons actions!
You were caught speending which is an offence. You're both criminals! If you cannot see a sign then its 30 mph. If your driving in a built up area then its 30 mph (unless stated other). Given your career history, you should know better. Well done Warrington Guardian for publishing these baffoons actions! sharboo543
  • Score: 25

2:17pm Thu 7 Aug 14

warrington_biker says...

mrwolf wrote:
The rule for prosecuting speeding cases is speed limit plus 10% plus 2mph. So they don't prosecute 35mph in a 30 zone. Or 46 in a 40. And so on. This is due to discrepancies between vehicle speedometers. Are you sure the letter only stated 35mph as stationary fixed speed camera units produce a reading in mph to one decimal places ie 35.4 mph so if you check your letter it will probably state that you was in fact going faster than 35 (even if its only 0.1mph more) thus activating the camera. The only people who ever call speed cameras a “cash cow” are the ones who break the speed limits set to make roads safer.
Whilst you are correct in the 10%+2, it is only an ACPO Guideline.. it isn't a rule.
There are a few within North Wales which are set to trigger just 1mph or 2mph above the limit.
[quote][p][bold]mrwolf[/bold] wrote: The rule for prosecuting speeding cases is speed limit plus 10% plus 2mph. So they don't prosecute 35mph in a 30 zone. Or 46 in a 40. And so on. This is due to discrepancies between vehicle speedometers. Are you sure the letter only stated 35mph as stationary fixed speed camera units produce a reading in mph to one decimal places ie 35.4 mph so if you check your letter it will probably state that you was in fact going faster than 35 (even if its only 0.1mph more) thus activating the camera. The only people who ever call speed cameras a “cash cow” are the ones who break the speed limits set to make roads safer.[/p][/quote]Whilst you are correct in the 10%+2, it is only an ACPO Guideline.. it isn't a rule. There are a few within North Wales which are set to trigger just 1mph or 2mph above the limit. warrington_biker
  • Score: 8

4:01pm Thu 7 Aug 14

mrdaveyasdfr says...

There's a fool proof way to avoid speeding ticket that jump out unexpectedly in front of you. In fact a fool proof way to get around any speeding ticket.

DO NOT SPEED regardless of what time of day it is.

MUPPETS!
There's a fool proof way to avoid speeding ticket that jump out unexpectedly in front of you. In fact a fool proof way to get around any speeding ticket. DO NOT SPEED regardless of what time of day it is. MUPPETS! mrdaveyasdfr
  • Score: 20

4:57pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Traveller29 says...

With the aid of Google Earth the sign (just outside the climbing church!) is clearly visible as is the camera just up the road - which the sign warns you about. As far as I remember the camera has been there for years and the 30 limit has been there at as long as the change of the bus lane. Sorry guys - you're nicked!!
With the aid of Google Earth the sign (just outside the climbing church!) is clearly visible as is the camera just up the road - which the sign warns you about. As far as I remember the camera has been there for years and the 30 limit has been there at as long as the change of the bus lane. Sorry guys - you're nicked!! Traveller29
  • Score: 23

6:16pm Thu 7 Aug 14

nanamia says...

my fella also was caught speeding with the same camera.told its his own fault.its clear enough to see.big yellow box.how can u not see it.maybe they should take a theory test and then they will know wot 30 n wot 40
my fella also was caught speeding with the same camera.told its his own fault.its clear enough to see.big yellow box.how can u not see it.maybe they should take a theory test and then they will know wot 30 n wot 40 nanamia
  • Score: 16

6:55pm Thu 7 Aug 14

The Grumpy Pedant says...

I cannot believe these two were professional drivers and did not know that the limit was 30 !! By there own comment they acknowledge that 200yards after the camers there are " two normal large 40mph signs on both sides of carriageway". Surely they know that these larger sized signs are only at a change in speed limit ....... repeater signs are much smaller . They must have past these signs hundreds of times and never connected with the fact that the big sign means this is where 40 starts ergo the limit before the sign is different . Utterly arrogant and utterly ignorant
I cannot believe these two were professional drivers and did not know that the limit was 30 !! By there own comment they acknowledge that 200yards after the camers there are " two normal large 40mph signs on both sides of carriageway". Surely they know that these larger sized signs are only at a change in speed limit ....... repeater signs are much smaller . They must have past these signs hundreds of times and never connected with the fact that the big sign means this is where 40 starts ergo the limit before the sign is different . Utterly arrogant and utterly ignorant The Grumpy Pedant
  • Score: 25

10:25pm Thu 7 Aug 14

toffeeman_4ever says...

OMG!!! how sneaky is the BIG yellow camera???? its clear to me and i have bad peripheral vision!!!!! dumb and dumber perhaps??
OMG!!! how sneaky is the BIG yellow camera???? its clear to me and i have bad peripheral vision!!!!! dumb and dumber perhaps?? toffeeman_4ever
  • Score: 19

10:48pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Freeborn John says...

C. Ommonsense wrote:
The Public has spoken...
Some very well articulated comments - covering everything that is wrong about this article.
This isnt news

Trying to "Sex up" the article with words like "Sneaky" and "Ambushed" for a lump of metal that cant move and has been there for years!
Shame on the Twins and Shame on Warrington Guardian.
Amazing what you can cook up around a lightweight tale and a photo op.
Most of page three in the Warrington Grauniad apparently.
It beats last weeks breaking news I suppose, an article about a lady who can read your fortune by looking at your bum...
[quote][p][bold]C. Ommonsense[/bold] wrote: The Public has spoken... Some very well articulated comments - covering everything that is wrong about this article. This isnt news Trying to "Sex up" the article with words like "Sneaky" and "Ambushed" for a lump of metal that cant move and has been there for years! Shame on the Twins and Shame on Warrington Guardian.[/p][/quote]Amazing what you can cook up around a lightweight tale and a photo op. Most of page three in the Warrington Grauniad apparently. It beats last weeks breaking news I suppose, an article about a lady who can read your fortune by looking at your bum... Freeborn John
  • Score: 12

11:22pm Thu 7 Aug 14

srd275 says...

Clearly this scamera is just a revenue trap.

Quote: “There’s a tiny 30mph sign next to the wall on left side which you can only see when you approach the camera.

“But 200 yards after the camera, there are two normal large 40mph signs on both sides of carriageway.”

Small not visible sign with the lower limit and a scamera with a higher speed limit sign nearby.

What a Scam!

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Clearly this scamera is just a revenue trap. Quote: “There’s a tiny 30mph sign next to the wall on left side which you can only see when you approach the camera. “But 200 yards after the camera, there are two normal large 40mph signs on both sides of carriageway.” Small not visible sign with the lower limit and a scamera with a higher speed limit sign nearby. What a Scam! And yes there are reports of under 5 mph tickets too. http://banthecams.or g/index.php/articles /speed-camera-news/3 651-speed-scamera-hy pocrite-uk-council-b anned-by-own-speed-s cameras-for-5-mph-ov er and http://banthecams.or g/index.php/articles /speed-camera-news/1 282-uk-are-speed-awa reness-courses-becom ing-just-another-sca m-uk-issuing-3-mph-s peeding-tickets pdf: http://www.abd.org.u k/local/flintshire.h tm Read more on Scamera news: www.motorists.org www.banthecams.org camerafraud on Facebook UK: www.abd.org.uk srd275
  • Score: -20

12:31am Fri 8 Aug 14

Reader says...

mrwolf wrote:
The rule for prosecuting speeding cases is speed limit plus 10% plus 2mph. So they don't prosecute 35mph in a 30 zone. Or 46 in a 40. And so on. This is due to discrepancies between vehicle speedometers. Are you sure the letter only stated 35mph as stationary fixed speed camera units produce a reading in mph to one decimal places ie 35.4 mph so if you check your letter it will probably state that you was in fact going faster than 35 (even if its only 0.1mph more) thus activating the camera. The only people who ever call speed cameras a “cash cow” are the ones who break the speed limits set to make roads safer.
Incorrect as I know other people who have received speeding tickets/points from that Winwick Road camera for doing exactly 35mph so presumably that is the speed it triggers at.
One was doing 35mph at 5am on a Sunday morning but like he said it was his own fault and he should have kept his eye on the speedo and not accidentally gone over 30. Luckily being a first offence in over 60 years of driving instead of getting the 2 points he just had to go on a driver awareness course. It's easy to accidentally creep up to 35 but there has to be a point where it becomes illegal. Maybe the two gents in the story could go on the same driver awareness course if they two have a clean driving records so they don't do it again !
[quote][p][bold]mrwolf[/bold] wrote: The rule for prosecuting speeding cases is speed limit plus 10% plus 2mph. So they don't prosecute 35mph in a 30 zone. Or 46 in a 40. And so on. This is due to discrepancies between vehicle speedometers. Are you sure the letter only stated 35mph as stationary fixed speed camera units produce a reading in mph to one decimal places ie 35.4 mph so if you check your letter it will probably state that you was in fact going faster than 35 (even if its only 0.1mph more) thus activating the camera. The only people who ever call speed cameras a “cash cow” are the ones who break the speed limits set to make roads safer.[/p][/quote]Incorrect as I know other people who have received speeding tickets/points from that Winwick Road camera for doing exactly 35mph so presumably that is the speed it triggers at. One was doing 35mph at 5am on a Sunday morning but like he said it was his own fault and he should have kept his eye on the speedo and not accidentally gone over 30. Luckily being a first offence in over 60 years of driving instead of getting the 2 points he just had to go on a driver awareness course. It's easy to accidentally creep up to 35 but there has to be a point where it becomes illegal. Maybe the two gents in the story could go on the same driver awareness course if they two have a clean driving records so they don't do it again ! Reader
  • Score: 8

8:39am Fri 8 Aug 14

Traveller29 says...

srd275 needs to stop being so biased and man up and accept things the way they are and understand how things work! It is generally accepted that within town/city areas the speed limit is 30mph unless otherwise advised. The small blue sign before the camera is just a reminder the limit is still in force until the next sign up the road that changes it to 40mph. Oh yes, it is also a warning their is a camera - you know the big grey/yellow thing on the pavement by the side of the road not hidden by anything and visible for over 100 yards!
srd275 needs to stop being so biased and man up and accept things the way they are and understand how things work! It is generally accepted that within town/city areas the speed limit is 30mph unless otherwise advised. The small blue sign before the camera is just a reminder the limit is still in force until the next sign up the road that changes it to 40mph. Oh yes, it is also a warning their is a camera - you know the big grey/yellow thing on the pavement by the side of the road not hidden by anything and visible for over 100 yards! Traveller29
  • Score: 8

4:01pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Johnnytwostep says...

pay up you pair of whiners, and slow down in the future
pay up you pair of whiners, and slow down in the future Johnnytwostep
  • Score: 14

10:32pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Jimbo6024 says...

No sympathy whatsoever.
No sympathy whatsoever. Jimbo6024
  • Score: 9

7:03pm Wed 13 Aug 14

mrdaveyasdfr says...

srd275 wrote:
Clearly this scamera is just a revenue trap.

Quote: “There’s a tiny 30mph sign next to the wall on left side which you can only see when you approach the camera.

“But 200 yards after the camera, there are two normal large 40mph signs on both sides of carriageway.”

Small not visible sign with the lower limit and a scamera with a higher speed limit sign nearby.

What a Scam!

And yes there are reports of under 5 mph tickets too. http://banthecams.or

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Regardless of any signage look at the area. just after a bend in a built up area by several junctions, a supermarket and an housing estate. It is obviously a 30 zone.
[quote][p][bold]srd275[/bold] wrote: Clearly this scamera is just a revenue trap. Quote: “There’s a tiny 30mph sign next to the wall on left side which you can only see when you approach the camera. “But 200 yards after the camera, there are two normal large 40mph signs on both sides of carriageway.” Small not visible sign with the lower limit and a scamera with a higher speed limit sign nearby. What a Scam! And yes there are reports of under 5 mph tickets too. http://banthecams.or g/index.php/articles /speed-camera-news/3 651-speed-scamera-hy pocrite-uk-council-b anned-by-own-speed-s cameras-for-5-mph-ov er and http://banthecams.or g/index.php/articles /speed-camera-news/1 282-uk-are-speed-awa reness-courses-becom ing-just-another-sca m-uk-issuing-3-mph-s peeding-tickets pdf: http://www.abd.org.u k/local/flintshire.h tm Read more on Scamera news: www.motorists.org www.banthecams.org camerafraud on Facebook UK: www.abd.org.uk[/p][/quote]Regardless of any signage look at the area. just after a bend in a built up area by several junctions, a supermarket and an housing estate. It is obviously a 30 zone. mrdaveyasdfr
  • Score: 0

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